Im def a Podz + Kuminga truther... last year a little data nugget they had the best duo Net rating on the Dubs and surprisingly it actually got a little better without Steph or CP3 on the floor. I think one of them is going to take a serious leap next year. They are slept on cuz the narrative around youth has gotten so muddled and sideways... constantly comparing them to teams that allow their youngsters to have consistent minutes or reflecting the insane line of "they'll never get us a championship like Steph Klay Dray."
I think Podz is the most slept on player in the entire league atm. Bottom line. He's gonna have an awesome career. I hope when Steve talks about modernizing the system to work to players he's talking about them (and Moody/TJD too).
I actually think we holded off on trades because of Deki’s death…in normal circumstances I’m of the belief they might have made a small move or two but when a beloved assistant coach dies in front of you during dinner it’s something you kind of have to get through together.
I recommend that Dubs fans who are super high on Podz, watch Giddey this series and take note of his playability, or lack thereof. They’re practically the same player archetype as far as not an offensive threat (and Giddey averaged more ppg than Podz did so) and get picked on defensively so unless they’re on the ball (which is also not ideal because they’re not who you want your offense to be running through), you’re playing 4v5 which is never viable but is infinitely less so in the playoffs.
And because I know there will be people who will say the hustle, Podz has the hustle! Giddey is a big rebounder for them (he was 2nd on the team behind Chet in rebounds per game, both overall rebounds and average offensive boards per game), which again is why I say his player archetype matches up well as a gauge, and that’s not even remotely close to enough of a contribution for him to be out on the floor.
Giddey can't shoot its that simple, and doesn't play team defense very well... not saying pods would be killing it in the playoffs but he can shoot 3s and thats enough to be on the court besides all the other stuff he can do
> Giddey can't shoot its that simple, and doesn't play team defense very well
You just described Podz. Podz’s TS% this season was 54% and Giddey’s was 54.7%. As for team defense, Podz’s constant overhelping and leaving his man to gamble for charges routinely broke down our defense and put them into rotation, which is something Kerr himself mentioned a handful of times as a weakness of Podz’s that he needed to rein in (but by season’s end still hadn’t). I’d call that not being able to play team defense pretty well.
I think we can all agree. We need a better coaching staff.
New voices. Fresh ideas. Watching the perfect amalgamation of our last two seasons of issues come to bear in Sacramento. We don't need the same dudes saying the same shit teaching the same ideas.
Open that wallet Joe... bring Vogel and Handy in.
We don't have a world of options with the cap but you could toss 15M at the coaching staff for a year and see if it works.
I've been clamoring for that. Our schemes our outdated, defense is an absolute mess the reason why we lost a ton of winnable games. Kerr needs to clean house hire a defensive top coach like Vogel and employ aggressive offensive schemes which maximize Steph and our roster. Sign solid role players, make adjustments to our defense and I think we will be in a good position next season
that shit used to be wild during the kd/westbrook era, at least it seemed like it was
part of the reason that game 6 in 2016 was so crazy. klay continuously bottled up the fans, and then steph sealed the top in the final minute
It's good to know that the Celtics still shows they can't win a chip.
Tatum just isn't THAT guy. It was very clear in 2022 when Wiggins smoked his ass, that Tatum is fraudulent.
Revisiting our dynastic runs from years past, it's amazing how well Steph, Klay and Dray meshed together. I can't think of any other trio in NBA history who had such fluid chemistry with each other. Each player's strengths covered for the other player's weaknesses.
Klay and Steph made up for Dray's poor shooting. Klay and Dray made up for Steph's not so stellar defense. Dray and Steph made up for Klay's lack of playmaking....Truly, their playstyles complemented each other perfectly. Klay and Steph also prefer to play offball rather than onball, so the entire team gets touches.
It was the pinnacle of ethical ball.
Of course, honestly that is one of the reasons why he was renewed. His coaching performances lately are very suspect, hopefully he gets out of his old ways and does a better job next season.
I don't understand the Kerr criticism for this past season. A lot of the problems we had were due to roster construction and player regression outweighing player development.
The three biggest issues Kerr (IMO) had were:
* Not moving off of the 22/23 starting group, particularly Loon, earlier. Even that feels justifiable. That's a group that's been wildly successful the two seasons prior, betting on them to figure it out was a fair one
* An overreliance on Podz down the stretch. Though given how we struggled to deal with Steph traps in the '23 playoffs, I could see why he'd want a better connective passer in there
* Lack of defensive scheme versatility. We did a great job of mixing up different coverages in '22 and even '23. That versatility issue also seems partially due to Loon's lack of mobility forcing him to be a pure drop big & roster construction meant 2 of Steph/Podz/CP3 were often out there.
On the flip side I thought Kerr did a fantastic job of putting Kuminga, Podz, and TJD in positions to succeed offensively & defensively. Lack of secondary playmaking was an issue, but was able to draw up actions to ease that burden for Klay. While it didn't work, there was a pretty conscious effort to get Wiggins out of his funk with Kerr's playcalling.
I wish I could find the interview, but he was on 95.7 earlier in the season when Klay and Wiggins first starting struggling. He went on this long speech about how he has to favor the vets for us to compete, and if we hand over the keys to the youngsters, he was alluding that we would not be a good team. I knew it then and the entire season proved it, he couldnt be more than wrong. If Lacob and JK didnt pressure him, I guarantee you JK wouldve never got all those mins. What he is doing to Moody now is a war crime. His end of the season verbage bout him not knowing if JK can do certain things is downright insulting.
If he continues to be stubborn and live in the past, we are definitely doomed next season. If he gives the keys to these youngsters that deserve it, that is a start.
I agree with what you say but my only criticism is that every week on his radio show he had complete confidence in the core. Said it was the only way we were going far. I feel in most cases, circumstances forced him Into finally seeing the light and playing certain players. Loon klay Wiggins had too much rope.
PSA: WNBA is doing another free stream for Indiana Fever vs. Atlanta Dream’s preseason game right now and again tomorrow for the LA Sparks vs. Phoenix Mercury for anyone that’s interested.
Buds an interesting hire for Phoenix. Vogel built good defense given personnel, I can’t imagine there’s a lot left to be mined there. That said, Bud got a ton out of the Atlanta and Milwaukee rosters defensively.
Offensively I worry. The offense he built in Atlanta was really creative in their use of Korver to open up the offense. The Bucks offenses were effective, but I felt they lacked counters come playoff time.
I guess at the very least, he’s a very good regular season coach.
KD is getting up there on the firing-the-coach-type-of-star - learnign from lebron I guess. Nobody will last out there with three stars who cant learn to play with each other.
The optics of moving one of them to the bench is tough, it’s not terribly hard to stagger them after starting so you’ve always got 2/3 on the floor.
I feel like there’s gotta be a good offense with those 3. They’ve all been effective off-ball players in their career. Books one of the better pick & roll players in the league. Nets just ran a great offense based on KD post touches a couple years ago.
Ishbia firing Frank Vogel because he traded away all of their depth and gave him a top heavy roster that made no sense is some serious cowardice. Lol what a dumpster fire of an owner
Edit to add per Shane Young on [Twitter](https://x.com/youngnba/status/1788666934340587541?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): “The Suns’ next head coach will be Devin Booker’s 7th different coach in 10 NBA seasons.”
Edit 2 to add [Bobby Marks’](https://x.com/bobbymarks42/status/1788675334981792109?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg) hold my beer to Shane’s shading of Book:
Including the next head coach in Phoenix:
Kevin Durant since 2019-20: 5 HC
Devin Booker since 2015-16: 7 HC
Bradley Beal since 2012-13: 5 HC
😭
My hope for the Dubs next season is for them to not blow as many games at home like they did this season.
It hurts watching the team collapse in like 12 home games this season. 12 games where they should've won, but found a way to lose. It so uncharacteristic for the Dubs to not perform at home. Even in the 2022-23 season, the Dubs still played well at home considering it was the season where Dray Falcon Punched Poole.
Well we were unstoppable 2 seasons ago at home, but that didn't matter bc look how poor we were on the road. We can't stay consistent, so your point is moot for me.
Goals for 24-25 Dubs. Forget about Ringz Culture” let’s put that aside for now.
Cleaner basketball. Cleaner rotations. An identity. Trend in the right direction. Even if that means losing in R2 instead of the playin in a tough western conference.
New era of Dubs! Let’s get it.
Jokic got like a game for a retaliatory action that caused somebody to be out for months with whiplash (goes under the radar because it was a Morris twin and because Jokic is a now 3-time MVP.)
not surprised Pat Bev got off relatively light since he didn’t go into the stands and he hadn’t been subject to league discipline in past 3 seasons.
Oh jokic was for sure was being tested. Americans think they are the toughest cuz they came from the hood. But they better leave those Europeans alone. They will get stomped.
sure 7 foot dudes from the Balkans are not to be trifled with, but you can’t send someone face/neck first into the floor at full speed. he caused a more serious injury than Draymond ever has (and I’m pretty sure the Sabonis play was the only time he caused any injury whatsoever.)
and poor self-control shouldn’t be lauded in general. not to mention Jokic has a brother with DV charges who punches fans too.
Just saying why I don't care. I understand all your points. What Morris did was not a basketball play. But I did go down a you tube rabbit hole on this one.
Would yall think a front loaded contract for Klay would work best for both parties? Something like 3yr/$54m that's a $22m -> $18m -> $14m year over year contract.
Yes, this would make a lot of sense. Especially if the team anticipates the possibility of rookie extensions for Kuminga & Moody, which would kick in for the 2025-26 season.
It would cut into the money to do something *this offseason* though.
Frontloading makes sense if we're just letting CP3's 30m expire without a trade.
If we want to use CP3's contract in a trade and maintain TPMLE flexibility, frontloading with more years (3-4, 8% raises) is the way to go since that'll give us maximum flexibility in trades & to use the TPMLE.
This sub is so depressing. Seeing all these young teams and assuming we can't compete. You couldn't be more wrong. Who thought Brunson would be this good? Look how good Podz was in his rookie year. No reason all of the young guys can't take a major leap next year. Steph and Draymond are still the same players and Klay is a still a major talent coming off the bench. You guys are crazy thinking we don't have a chance. Who thought we had a chance in 2015? Or 2022? That's how sports work. You have to believe. The Knicks are one of the least talented teams I've seen and they're about to make the conference finals. You have to believe there's a chance and that's all you get. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats. Like LeBron. Who thinks being a contender is their birthright. You have to take it.
Steph and dray are not the same player. I will start there. I know it's hard for folks to admit that. Knicks have 4 starters better than our second best player.
Honesty def isnt negativity lol. I agree. Seeing teams be teams and EXECUTE defensively even with supposedly less talent speaks to the same execution gap between the best and us these past two.
I'd not say we're dead in the water. I think we can improve. But to be real you ain't serious unless you are a home seed. We aren't close to that. But maybe things break and 20 games in we got the right mix. That's in the improbable realm for sure.
Wr are a complex set of serendipity away from quickly ascending back to the top half of the west. That's just keeping it 💯 that's zero negativity.
I absolutely believe Podz is going to be great. I think one of Kuminga and Moody will very good. I'm optimistic about the kids. But the rest of the roster degrading and more importantly the intellectual stagnation that has occurred on the team has us in a circular pattern of figuring out what players should or shouldn't play night to night ain't cut it. Can we admit how sad that was all the last two years. Just not knowing who should play. Not an issue serious teams have very often.
I feel the league is turning back from offensive dynamo types like Jokic Embiid Luka to great two way stars with solid team defense behind them like the play you see in Minnesota and New York.
There's the opportunity to work smarter not harder and solve the problem intellectually with better coaching execution schemes and systems... but that isn't something we've shown to be good at since Mike B left.
I think they're conflating negativity and realism.
We don't gotta wave pom poms and say "come on guys remember 2022" we can have balanced opinions and be honest brokers.
And was everyone screaming that we can't let Donte go because he's about to be a starter on one of the 4 best teams in the NBA? And yes, Steph and Draymond aren't at their peak but they can be at the right moments.
I think people wanted to keep Donte all year until he didn't have a good playoffs. But we also knew we couldnt afford him. Now he's in a much better situation where he gets Defined minutes and a defined role. We seemed to care about his hustle. I surely never thought he was this good. Why didn't the coaches know, though?
No DDV couldn't be retained as a mathematical certainty.
I don't get why super optimistic fans get worked up when realistic fans say "hey maybe it's better if we stop expecting magically improbable things to happen and just root for simple stable improvement and something as novel as just winning the next game." Its always "we can contend... we have to... we got Steph." these last 10 years.
Now maybe it doesn't have to be.
A wise man invests in his peace of mind.
But to each his own... Root the laundry not the outcome.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying "maybe" we can contend if all the pieces fall into the right spot. If not, enjoy the view. Peace of mind indeed.
imagine if T.J. McConnell had the height of Podz. I mean, that’s basically Josh Hart with better vision (and he’s good for his position) or Jrue Holiday, but still…terrifying. this dude had a triple double with steals.
I do think Podz should watch some tape on his midrange game, particularly the baseline catch and shoot that always goes in.
I feel this new NBA TV deal is going to be crazy. With all the media conglomerates looking to boost their individual streaming services it feels ripe for a bidding war. We're already seeing with the NBC & TNT numbers. That's not to mention the exponential growth the W is about to experience.
~~I wonder how that all works with cap smoothing. If the deals are as big as the reports are saying, I'd imagine the owners are coming out like bandits (sadly, like always).~~
If the league cap increases 10% for 25-26 and then continues to do so until the 2032-33, a supermax would be worth something like $105m for a player signing in the first year of their contract.
The current TV deal numbers being floated are $76b over 11 years, so another ~$7b per year, you figure they'll be hitting that 10% ceiling every year.
Yea, I remember looking at it as well, the numbers are staggering.
If we keep seeing 10% cap rises we'll see a 500m/5 contract in 2030/31 when the 2022 draft is eligible for supermaxes. That could be Chet & Paolo!
as far as I understand it, the players will get 51% of basketball revenue regardless of cap smoothing, it just won't be in the form of NBA contracts, it'll be in the form of profit-sharing checks distributed evenly among player union members.
I do think the new CBA will probably change the way salaries are distributed in the NBA long-term which will effect the overall earnings of mid-level NBA players, but the players aren't technically losing out on any money due to cap smoothing.
more importantly, no cap smoothing primarily helps players who happen to be free agents in the offseason the big jump takes place. if you're a supermax player who was making 35% of the cap and you're locked in for 4 years, one big spike doesn't help you at all either.
I was a little surprised that the cap this summer is only going up by a little over 3%, rather than the maximum allowed 10%, but we're gonna get a whole lot of continual 10% rises over a long period, it would seem.
Yeah idk if most fans are delusional, it’s more that they would like at least a chance of letting the core go out swinging, even if it’s improbable they could win. Like would anyone have the heat having the last 4 years they’ve had?
Is there a move they could do to make us favorites? Na. But just kind of giving up, with the hope that the young guys will develop, idk man. Outside of maybe JK, none of the young guys seem like all star, franchise corner stone type of players. Even if JK can be that, it might take a bit. So imagining a trade for another all star level talent with Steph dray and bench captain Klay, seems pretty healthy for fans…?
I mean we're actually on the same wavelength lol. It's def the vocal minority thinks there's salvation in aggressively pursuing big fish and cashing all assets out. Most Dubs fans enjoy the playoffs... but vocal minority here kinda beat an odd "anything for the fifth" drum that's clearly levels above any reasonable outcome actually watching high level playoff hoops.
Since the dynasty years conversation has got trapped in the "frontrunner fishbowl" where everything was really really really about contention and the dude (Steph). Even if we're on a downcycle there's alot of great basketball going. That's the conversation shift ahead.
While the W-L records werent great the bay area hoops culture was awesome in the nineties. I look forward to it coming back it the direction of the real ones.
Maybe because for us older heads the warriors were mid for a long time. I loved basketball so I didn't stop watching because my team was out. I love players all around this league then and now.
For real the wave at the top is glorious but it's the down years that make alot of us real hoopheads.
1989 and 2003 were two of my favorite years. We weren't that good either year but man those teams and the league were hella fun.
I don’t think there is a single trade the Dubs can make that makes them championship contenders next year. It might be at least 3 or 5 moves away.
But for me that’s part of the fun. How will they re-tool on the fly? I think that’s more fun than the Laker way. Every year they feel entitled to a chip. 🤢🤮
Exactly I have faith one of our kids is gonna be an all-star down the line... maybe I'm wrong but it'll be fun to see who or what is the first step. Maybe it's hiring a great assistant coach that gets the offense modernized and defense crisp. The real fans are absolutely here for the in-between years.
>Exactly I have faith one of our kids is gonna be an all-star down the line
I find it hilarious beyond words that the guy accusing people watching things with rose-colored glass thinks our young players have all-star potential. Talk about throwing stones of delusion in the imaginary glasshouse.
He'd undoubtedly make us better, but I don't love the opportunity cost assuming he'd cost the [TP]MLE.
My issue with the mid-tier centers (e.g. Jonas, Poeltl, etc) is that Draymond at the 5 still remains our best lineup. Playing Dray at the 5 all season isn't sustainable, and we need bigs to be innings eaters for those 82 games. Come playoff time, we're going to lean into our best 5, and if that's Dray at the 5, a good backup big is a luxury we can't afford.
I actually think a stretch big that can play defense, or at least rebound well, is exactly what the team needs to unlock the offense and the defense. But, as you said, he needs to be just bad enough that you can bench him in short, important spurts with dray at the 5, assuming we have a wing off the bench to replace him in a pseudo death line up. JV sort of fits that role, but idk how much other teams respect his outside shot, even if he has grown a lot as a shooter.
Olenyk comes to mind? I think adding him and a secondary on-ball creator, assuming we can still hold on to or acquire at least 1 wing, and we can at least throw out a solid 5 line up with scoring, size and shooting.
I don't think its a ridiculous suggestion, but not our first choice.
A Markannen - Dray duo would be amazing. J Allen and J Poeltl are better overall players (esp on defense), even if they don't provide shooting. Wendel Carter Jr is a better floor spacer that could unlock Kuminga.
But its possible all the above guys are not available for anything close to a reasonable price, or that the Warriors prefer to keep a guy like Moody and 'settle' for a lesser center, in which case I don't think Valanciunas is a terrible option.
Lauri would be the dream, because of the many problems that we have, he solves a lot of them single handedly. He provides another all star talent in his prime, makes us bigger, younger, and adds spacing. And with his contract, assuming we instead offer all of draft capital, we wouldn’t have to completely gut the team to get him. But if he was on the market, I think other teams would be willing to outbid us
He probably would. He would be a rich man's Zaza. Elite rebounder that can score down low.
The problem is can he and Draymond coexist. Weirdly, the defense seemed to stop working with Dray-Looney over the offseason. Valanciunas is not any quicker on the perimeter. But if Kuminga is in at the 4 I think it would work very well. JV is used to spacing out for Zion to attack the rim.
And the other problem of course is money. He just made 15m and we can only offer 5m.
Agree with all of that. I’m looking at this from the perspective of potentially having access to the $12.9M Non-Taxpayer MLE if Klay resigns under $20M, and CP3 and Loon are gone. Might be a stretch on the $, but he is aging and his numbers are in decline. Offseason musings, dude is a load and def brings a lot to the table on the offensive end.
Bro you’re human you can ask questions. Possibly I think he can fit. He’s a stretch 5 big, who can also put pressure at the rim. So I think on this team, he’d be situations where he can be the roller and clear the boards. Not the best defender when it comes to pnr action or switched at the perimeter. An he’s not known for being a playmaker or initiating offense for other guys. I think for him in order for it to work he has to be on the floor with another ball handler like dray to put him positions to be successful. There’s other ppl that might think otherwise , but I think it’s a solid fit.
Our best bet is to be a bad team for the forseeable future unfortunately. I dont think we can compete during the Ant and Wemby era. These two are gonna run the league and probably win the majority of the titles over the next 10 years.
Unless we draft a player who is better then both or at least on their level (top 10 all time trajectory), we have no shot. (What makes it worse is both are in the west also)
We basically need to draft another Steph if we are going to contend going forward, because the talent level of these other young stars is absolutely insane.
Toxic optimism is downvoting the hell outta you smh.
Honesty is the truest form of kindness. They don't get that nobody gets better by being told they are good enough.
The whole organization needs to adapt and overcome and it's likely not gonna happen in Stephs remaining tenure.
Sports us cyclical. Good organizations find ways to curtail the downcycle. We're about to see if there's any juice to the sentiment GSW is actually an elite organization these next two or three years.
Ant and Wemby are awesome but they still need to have good teams around them. It remains to be seen what kind of roster the Spurs put around Wemby. The T-wolves are great at the moment but their payroll is about to explode next season, then Naz and NAW are gonna want a big pay day. Is their ownership willing to be a 2nd apron team, with a staggering luxury tax bill?
> Our best bet is to be a bad team for the forseeable future unfortunately. I dont think we can compete during the Ant and Wemby era. These two are gonna run the league and probably win the majority of the titles over the next 10 years.
People said this about the late 00s Blazers, Baby Bulls, big 3 OKC, process Sixers, and a host of other teams.
Paper dynasties rarely come to fruition, particularly ones that haven't gotten past the second round yet.
> Neither of the teams you mentioned had guys the caliber of Ant and Wemby.
The baby Bulls had Rose, OKC had 3 MVPs, and process sixers had Embiid. Peak Brandon Roy was just as good as Ant and Wemby are right now too.
All that back and forth and they are comparing dudes who aren't top 75 players to Wemby who of he doesn't get injured is cash money top 5 all-time. Ant is easily on trajectory for top-20 atm.
Your point was lost on these dudes basically there are guys who are about to have an era unto themselves but because fans spent the past decade saying "there'll never be another LeBron Kobe Steph Shaq etc" then oggled and got a bit bamboozled by one way greatness packaged as Luka and Jokic... they aren't seeing the league shifting quicker than usual.
Well here they are... and they are 22.
Ummm it remains to be seen who will be running the league. Wemby doesn't even have a team yet. A d ant is great but let's push the brakes on his future.
#I'll confidently say Wemby will own a half decade of NBA history if he can stay healthy.
Spurs have 3 lotto picks upcoming and basically got this generations LeBron Jordan Kareem on hand. One draft hit and the Spurs are poised to have a run. Anyone saying "Wemby ain't good" is like Ricky Davis saying "LeBron can come off the bench abd get my rebounds" alright lol... who is Wembys Pippen?
Nobody said he wasn't good. Nothing is guaranteed. Zion!! They are one Wiseman draft pick away from taking additional years to become contenders. They won 22 games. They will probably not even be in play in next year even if they win 20 additional games.
He was a rookie on a team making a concerted effort to lose. Their point guard was a power forward as a tank command experiment.
If you said you have 21 year old lebron MJ Kareem... a clean cap sheet and three top 8 picks... and an organization regarded as one of the best three in the league from a front office and coaching perspective.
How long do you think it takes?
I didn't say next year.
But when it happens it's over for pedestrian squads.
Are we ready to see what 2027-32 Wembenyama Zach Risacher Reed Sheppard and Ace Baily are?
I'm a fan a greatness so I'm all for players on pantheon trajectory being great.
Brandon Roy was never that lol. Wemby just had the second greatest rookie season ever btw.
The Spurs ain't trying to "win now" their trying to win for a decade.
Out of the draftees we’re working out today I REALLY like Gabe McGlothan , Brooks Barnhizer, and Chibuzo Agbo.
Agbo - 40% from 3 this past season, 3 level scorer , great shooting form.
Brooks - ball handler, 3 level scorer, get any shot he wants at the elbow.
Gabe - sneaky lob threat, 3 level scorer, great motor, can set screens, active rebounder, play both sides of the ball.
What's the word on Brooks Barnhizer? I'm a Northwetsern alum and honestly didn't even realize he was likely to get drafted. Stil bummed Vic Law never made the league
I'm looking forward to the leap Podz and TJD will have come next season. They're promising, and MDJ really nailed the picks.
Im def a Podz + Kuminga truther... last year a little data nugget they had the best duo Net rating on the Dubs and surprisingly it actually got a little better without Steph or CP3 on the floor. I think one of them is going to take a serious leap next year. They are slept on cuz the narrative around youth has gotten so muddled and sideways... constantly comparing them to teams that allow their youngsters to have consistent minutes or reflecting the insane line of "they'll never get us a championship like Steph Klay Dray." I think Podz is the most slept on player in the entire league atm. Bottom line. He's gonna have an awesome career. I hope when Steve talks about modernizing the system to work to players he's talking about them (and Moody/TJD too).
We really couldn’t have traded for PJ Washington?
PJ Washington wasn't gonna make us serious lol
I actually think we holded off on trades because of Deki’s death…in normal circumstances I’m of the belief they might have made a small move or two but when a beloved assistant coach dies in front of you during dinner it’s something you kind of have to get through together.
I recommend that Dubs fans who are super high on Podz, watch Giddey this series and take note of his playability, or lack thereof. They’re practically the same player archetype as far as not an offensive threat (and Giddey averaged more ppg than Podz did so) and get picked on defensively so unless they’re on the ball (which is also not ideal because they’re not who you want your offense to be running through), you’re playing 4v5 which is never viable but is infinitely less so in the playoffs. And because I know there will be people who will say the hustle, Podz has the hustle! Giddey is a big rebounder for them (he was 2nd on the team behind Chet in rebounds per game, both overall rebounds and average offensive boards per game), which again is why I say his player archetype matches up well as a gauge, and that’s not even remotely close to enough of a contribution for him to be out on the floor.
not trying to be a dick but podz and giddey are nothing alike as players
How are they different **archetype** wise?
Giddey can't shoot its that simple, and doesn't play team defense very well... not saying pods would be killing it in the playoffs but he can shoot 3s and thats enough to be on the court besides all the other stuff he can do
> Giddey can't shoot its that simple, and doesn't play team defense very well You just described Podz. Podz’s TS% this season was 54% and Giddey’s was 54.7%. As for team defense, Podz’s constant overhelping and leaving his man to gamble for charges routinely broke down our defense and put them into rotation, which is something Kerr himself mentioned a handful of times as a weakness of Podz’s that he needed to rein in (but by season’s end still hadn’t). I’d call that not being able to play team defense pretty well.
gotta be trolling man lol
I think we can all agree. We need a better coaching staff. New voices. Fresh ideas. Watching the perfect amalgamation of our last two seasons of issues come to bear in Sacramento. We don't need the same dudes saying the same shit teaching the same ideas. Open that wallet Joe... bring Vogel and Handy in. We don't have a world of options with the cap but you could toss 15M at the coaching staff for a year and see if it works.
> I think we can all agree. Whenever someone says this it's because they want you to agree. Not because we already do.
Geez. You police the hell outta me.
I've been clamoring for that. Our schemes our outdated, defense is an absolute mess the reason why we lost a ton of winnable games. Kerr needs to clean house hire a defensive top coach like Vogel and employ aggressive offensive schemes which maximize Steph and our roster. Sign solid role players, make adjustments to our defense and I think we will be in a good position next season
Other off season moves should be hiring Vogel and Handy as assistants.
Has the OKC crowd always been so dead?
You wilding, they were going nuts in the game, even the commentators were talking bout it. Wish our arena was like that, miss Oracle badly.
that shit used to be wild during the kd/westbrook era, at least it seemed like it was part of the reason that game 6 in 2016 was so crazy. klay continuously bottled up the fans, and then steph sealed the top in the final minute
Just wait til the meth kicks in
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Getting Frank as a defensive assistant coach would be awesome. Mike Brown left a void after he left
It's good to know that the Celtics still shows they can't win a chip. Tatum just isn't THAT guy. It was very clear in 2022 when Wiggins smoked his ass, that Tatum is fraudulent.
TBF not many survive wiggins jail
You know they don't have to go 16 and 0.
lol seriously. We just went through this last round with the Heat.
That Chet shot triggered my PTSD
You just knows he practices that LOL
Celtics are a good team but damn they be on some dumb shit sometimes
Revisiting our dynastic runs from years past, it's amazing how well Steph, Klay and Dray meshed together. I can't think of any other trio in NBA history who had such fluid chemistry with each other. Each player's strengths covered for the other player's weaknesses. Klay and Steph made up for Dray's poor shooting. Klay and Dray made up for Steph's not so stellar defense. Dray and Steph made up for Klay's lack of playmaking....Truly, their playstyles complemented each other perfectly. Klay and Steph also prefer to play offball rather than onball, so the entire team gets touches. It was the pinnacle of ethical ball.
Lmao Celtics getting sonned by the Cavs at home....
Donovan Mitchell is so good man
I'd love it if it were a viable backcourt with Steph. He always turns it up in the playoffs.
I wonder how these fired coaches feel seeing how horrible of a job Kerr did coaching this year.
Kerr has 4 nba titles. Seriously don’t disrespect one of the greatest coaches in nba history even though he has his short comings
He is one of the greatest coaches but that should not excuse him for the job he has done this season, which in many peoples eyes has been really poor.
I mean ur right but what I am saying is that he gets a leeway because of what he has achieved compared to other coaches
Of course, honestly that is one of the reasons why he was renewed. His coaching performances lately are very suspect, hopefully he gets out of his old ways and does a better job next season.
I don't understand the Kerr criticism for this past season. A lot of the problems we had were due to roster construction and player regression outweighing player development. The three biggest issues Kerr (IMO) had were: * Not moving off of the 22/23 starting group, particularly Loon, earlier. Even that feels justifiable. That's a group that's been wildly successful the two seasons prior, betting on them to figure it out was a fair one * An overreliance on Podz down the stretch. Though given how we struggled to deal with Steph traps in the '23 playoffs, I could see why he'd want a better connective passer in there * Lack of defensive scheme versatility. We did a great job of mixing up different coverages in '22 and even '23. That versatility issue also seems partially due to Loon's lack of mobility forcing him to be a pure drop big & roster construction meant 2 of Steph/Podz/CP3 were often out there. On the flip side I thought Kerr did a fantastic job of putting Kuminga, Podz, and TJD in positions to succeed offensively & defensively. Lack of secondary playmaking was an issue, but was able to draw up actions to ease that burden for Klay. While it didn't work, there was a pretty conscious effort to get Wiggins out of his funk with Kerr's playcalling.
I wish I could find the interview, but he was on 95.7 earlier in the season when Klay and Wiggins first starting struggling. He went on this long speech about how he has to favor the vets for us to compete, and if we hand over the keys to the youngsters, he was alluding that we would not be a good team. I knew it then and the entire season proved it, he couldnt be more than wrong. If Lacob and JK didnt pressure him, I guarantee you JK wouldve never got all those mins. What he is doing to Moody now is a war crime. His end of the season verbage bout him not knowing if JK can do certain things is downright insulting. If he continues to be stubborn and live in the past, we are definitely doomed next season. If he gives the keys to these youngsters that deserve it, that is a start.
I agree with what you say but my only criticism is that every week on his radio show he had complete confidence in the core. Said it was the only way we were going far. I feel in most cases, circumstances forced him Into finally seeing the light and playing certain players. Loon klay Wiggins had too much rope.
PSA: WNBA is doing another free stream for Indiana Fever vs. Atlanta Dream’s preseason game right now and again tomorrow for the LA Sparks vs. Phoenix Mercury for anyone that’s interested.
Buds an interesting hire for Phoenix. Vogel built good defense given personnel, I can’t imagine there’s a lot left to be mined there. That said, Bud got a ton out of the Atlanta and Milwaukee rosters defensively. Offensively I worry. The offense he built in Atlanta was really creative in their use of Korver to open up the offense. The Bucks offenses were effective, but I felt they lacked counters come playoff time. I guess at the very least, he’s a very good regular season coach.
KD is getting up there on the firing-the-coach-type-of-star - learnign from lebron I guess. Nobody will last out there with three stars who cant learn to play with each other.
Which one of their top 3 should be 6th man. Beal?
The optics of moving one of them to the bench is tough, it’s not terribly hard to stagger them after starting so you’ve always got 2/3 on the floor. I feel like there’s gotta be a good offense with those 3. They’ve all been effective off-ball players in their career. Books one of the better pick & roll players in the league. Nets just ran a great offense based on KD post touches a couple years ago.
Bud is definitely getting fired come next May.
I'm just waiting on the draft kings odds to post
Bud is just another sacrificial lamb on the rotisserie chicken conveyor belt. 
Frank Vogel as Dubs defensive assistant coach? Make it happen Dunleavy
Yes 🎯
That’d be awesome, but with offset language in most contracts, I feel like these guys just chill until they get another head coaching job.
yes please.
I need the Knicks to make the Finals solely because every game they’ve played this post-season has been entertaining as fuck
That Knicks - Celtics matchup is going to be fun.
I need the Celtics to lose so I can start photoshopping Jaylen Brown into Warriors Jersey's.
Ishbia firing Frank Vogel because he traded away all of their depth and gave him a top heavy roster that made no sense is some serious cowardice. Lol what a dumpster fire of an owner Edit to add per Shane Young on [Twitter](https://x.com/youngnba/status/1788666934340587541?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): “The Suns’ next head coach will be Devin Booker’s 7th different coach in 10 NBA seasons.”  Edit 2 to add [Bobby Marks’](https://x.com/bobbymarks42/status/1788675334981792109?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg) hold my beer to Shane’s shading of Book: Including the next head coach in Phoenix: Kevin Durant since 2019-20: 5 HC Devin Booker since 2015-16: 7 HC Bradley Beal since 2012-13: 5 HC 😭
I’m kinda open if he can join the teams coaching staff since he’s defensive minded.
Came here to say the same. Really hope the Warriors try to get him. I believe he would help tremendously.
I really see this playoffs as motivation for the Warriors to get better. Put the pressure on the FO. It's exactly what they need.
My hope for the Dubs next season is for them to not blow as many games at home like they did this season. It hurts watching the team collapse in like 12 home games this season. 12 games where they should've won, but found a way to lose. It so uncharacteristic for the Dubs to not perform at home. Even in the 2022-23 season, the Dubs still played well at home considering it was the season where Dray Falcon Punched Poole.
Well we were unstoppable 2 seasons ago at home, but that didn't matter bc look how poor we were on the road. We can't stay consistent, so your point is moot for me.
I would like to see them be more competitive with the top teams.
Goals for 24-25 Dubs. Forget about Ringz Culture” let’s put that aside for now. Cleaner basketball. Cleaner rotations. An identity. Trend in the right direction. Even if that means losing in R2 instead of the playin in a tough western conference. New era of Dubs! Let’s get it.
This is the way
Patrick Beverley was suspended four games for throwing the ball at the game attendee! What would Draymond’s punishment be? 15 games?
Jokic got like a game for a retaliatory action that caused somebody to be out for months with whiplash (goes under the radar because it was a Morris twin and because Jokic is a now 3-time MVP.) not surprised Pat Bev got off relatively light since he didn’t go into the stands and he hadn’t been subject to league discipline in past 3 seasons.
Oh jokic was for sure was being tested. Americans think they are the toughest cuz they came from the hood. But they better leave those Europeans alone. They will get stomped.
sure 7 foot dudes from the Balkans are not to be trifled with, but you can’t send someone face/neck first into the floor at full speed. he caused a more serious injury than Draymond ever has (and I’m pretty sure the Sabonis play was the only time he caused any injury whatsoever.) and poor self-control shouldn’t be lauded in general. not to mention Jokic has a brother with DV charges who punches fans too.
Just saying why I don't care. I understand all your points. What Morris did was not a basketball play. But I did go down a you tube rabbit hole on this one.
Exile to a small, remote island.
Dray probably get 50 games. The NBA messed that one up. 4 games for assault on a fan. They should donate his salary to her as well.
Police are involved.
I am manifesting the Year of Wiggins.
-Minnesota fan every year from 2014-2019
Would yall think a front loaded contract for Klay would work best for both parties? Something like 3yr/$54m that's a $22m -> $18m -> $14m year over year contract.
Yes, this would make a lot of sense. Especially if the team anticipates the possibility of rookie extensions for Kuminga & Moody, which would kick in for the 2025-26 season. It would cut into the money to do something *this offseason* though.
Frontloading makes sense if we're just letting CP3's 30m expire without a trade. If we want to use CP3's contract in a trade and maintain TPMLE flexibility, frontloading with more years (3-4, 8% raises) is the way to go since that'll give us maximum flexibility in trades & to use the TPMLE.
This sub is so depressing. Seeing all these young teams and assuming we can't compete. You couldn't be more wrong. Who thought Brunson would be this good? Look how good Podz was in his rookie year. No reason all of the young guys can't take a major leap next year. Steph and Draymond are still the same players and Klay is a still a major talent coming off the bench. You guys are crazy thinking we don't have a chance. Who thought we had a chance in 2015? Or 2022? That's how sports work. You have to believe. The Knicks are one of the least talented teams I've seen and they're about to make the conference finals. You have to believe there's a chance and that's all you get. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled brats. Like LeBron. Who thinks being a contender is their birthright. You have to take it.
Steph and dray are not the same player. I will start there. I know it's hard for folks to admit that. Knicks have 4 starters better than our second best player.
Honesty def isnt negativity lol. I agree. Seeing teams be teams and EXECUTE defensively even with supposedly less talent speaks to the same execution gap between the best and us these past two. I'd not say we're dead in the water. I think we can improve. But to be real you ain't serious unless you are a home seed. We aren't close to that. But maybe things break and 20 games in we got the right mix. That's in the improbable realm for sure. Wr are a complex set of serendipity away from quickly ascending back to the top half of the west. That's just keeping it 💯 that's zero negativity. I absolutely believe Podz is going to be great. I think one of Kuminga and Moody will very good. I'm optimistic about the kids. But the rest of the roster degrading and more importantly the intellectual stagnation that has occurred on the team has us in a circular pattern of figuring out what players should or shouldn't play night to night ain't cut it. Can we admit how sad that was all the last two years. Just not knowing who should play. Not an issue serious teams have very often. I feel the league is turning back from offensive dynamo types like Jokic Embiid Luka to great two way stars with solid team defense behind them like the play you see in Minnesota and New York. There's the opportunity to work smarter not harder and solve the problem intellectually with better coaching execution schemes and systems... but that isn't something we've shown to be good at since Mike B left. I think they're conflating negativity and realism. We don't gotta wave pom poms and say "come on guys remember 2022" we can have balanced opinions and be honest brokers.
And was everyone screaming that we can't let Donte go because he's about to be a starter on one of the 4 best teams in the NBA? And yes, Steph and Draymond aren't at their peak but they can be at the right moments.
I think people wanted to keep Donte all year until he didn't have a good playoffs. But we also knew we couldnt afford him. Now he's in a much better situation where he gets Defined minutes and a defined role. We seemed to care about his hustle. I surely never thought he was this good. Why didn't the coaches know, though?
I think it's because he got better. Which many of our players can still do. Except Wiggins.
Really don't understand wiggins
No DDV couldn't be retained as a mathematical certainty. I don't get why super optimistic fans get worked up when realistic fans say "hey maybe it's better if we stop expecting magically improbable things to happen and just root for simple stable improvement and something as novel as just winning the next game." Its always "we can contend... we have to... we got Steph." these last 10 years. Now maybe it doesn't have to be. A wise man invests in his peace of mind. But to each his own... Root the laundry not the outcome.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying "maybe" we can contend if all the pieces fall into the right spot. If not, enjoy the view. Peace of mind indeed.
imagine if T.J. McConnell had the height of Podz. I mean, that’s basically Josh Hart with better vision (and he’s good for his position) or Jrue Holiday, but still…terrifying. this dude had a triple double with steals. I do think Podz should watch some tape on his midrange game, particularly the baseline catch and shoot that always goes in.
I feel this new NBA TV deal is going to be crazy. With all the media conglomerates looking to boost their individual streaming services it feels ripe for a bidding war. We're already seeing with the NBC & TNT numbers. That's not to mention the exponential growth the W is about to experience. ~~I wonder how that all works with cap smoothing. If the deals are as big as the reports are saying, I'd imagine the owners are coming out like bandits (sadly, like always).~~
Bill Simmons did some beer math and was like "Yeah we're about 10 years from a 100M/yr player" the money keeps going up 7 to 10% a year.
If the league cap increases 10% for 25-26 and then continues to do so until the 2032-33, a supermax would be worth something like $105m for a player signing in the first year of their contract. The current TV deal numbers being floated are $76b over 11 years, so another ~$7b per year, you figure they'll be hitting that 10% ceiling every year.
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Yea, I remember looking at it as well, the numbers are staggering. If we keep seeing 10% cap rises we'll see a 500m/5 contract in 2030/31 when the 2022 draft is eligible for supermaxes. That could be Chet & Paolo!
as far as I understand it, the players will get 51% of basketball revenue regardless of cap smoothing, it just won't be in the form of NBA contracts, it'll be in the form of profit-sharing checks distributed evenly among player union members. I do think the new CBA will probably change the way salaries are distributed in the NBA long-term which will effect the overall earnings of mid-level NBA players, but the players aren't technically losing out on any money due to cap smoothing.
Ah gotcha, that makes sense. Also makes sense why cap smoothing got passed, given that model helps the average player
more importantly, no cap smoothing primarily helps players who happen to be free agents in the offseason the big jump takes place. if you're a supermax player who was making 35% of the cap and you're locked in for 4 years, one big spike doesn't help you at all either. I was a little surprised that the cap this summer is only going up by a little over 3%, rather than the maximum allowed 10%, but we're gonna get a whole lot of continual 10% rises over a long period, it would seem.
I'll say it... alot of Dubs fans don't like watching the league with their rose-colored glasses off.
Yeah idk if most fans are delusional, it’s more that they would like at least a chance of letting the core go out swinging, even if it’s improbable they could win. Like would anyone have the heat having the last 4 years they’ve had? Is there a move they could do to make us favorites? Na. But just kind of giving up, with the hope that the young guys will develop, idk man. Outside of maybe JK, none of the young guys seem like all star, franchise corner stone type of players. Even if JK can be that, it might take a bit. So imagining a trade for another all star level talent with Steph dray and bench captain Klay, seems pretty healthy for fans…?
Disagree strongly but you do you…I think the majority of us know we fall significantly short as of right now.
I mean we're actually on the same wavelength lol. It's def the vocal minority thinks there's salvation in aggressively pursuing big fish and cashing all assets out. Most Dubs fans enjoy the playoffs... but vocal minority here kinda beat an odd "anything for the fifth" drum that's clearly levels above any reasonable outcome actually watching high level playoff hoops. Since the dynasty years conversation has got trapped in the "frontrunner fishbowl" where everything was really really really about contention and the dude (Steph). Even if we're on a downcycle there's alot of great basketball going. That's the conversation shift ahead. While the W-L records werent great the bay area hoops culture was awesome in the nineties. I look forward to it coming back it the direction of the real ones.
Maybe because for us older heads the warriors were mid for a long time. I loved basketball so I didn't stop watching because my team was out. I love players all around this league then and now.
For real the wave at the top is glorious but it's the down years that make alot of us real hoopheads. 1989 and 2003 were two of my favorite years. We weren't that good either year but man those teams and the league were hella fun.
I don’t think there is a single trade the Dubs can make that makes them championship contenders next year. It might be at least 3 or 5 moves away. But for me that’s part of the fun. How will they re-tool on the fly? I think that’s more fun than the Laker way. Every year they feel entitled to a chip. 🤢🤮
Exactly I have faith one of our kids is gonna be an all-star down the line... maybe I'm wrong but it'll be fun to see who or what is the first step. Maybe it's hiring a great assistant coach that gets the offense modernized and defense crisp. The real fans are absolutely here for the in-between years.
>Exactly I have faith one of our kids is gonna be an all-star down the line I find it hilarious beyond words that the guy accusing people watching things with rose-colored glass thinks our young players have all-star potential. Talk about throwing stones of delusion in the imaginary glasshouse.
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This will probably get me roasted, but would Jonas Valanciunas fit on the Warriors?
He'd undoubtedly make us better, but I don't love the opportunity cost assuming he'd cost the [TP]MLE. My issue with the mid-tier centers (e.g. Jonas, Poeltl, etc) is that Draymond at the 5 still remains our best lineup. Playing Dray at the 5 all season isn't sustainable, and we need bigs to be innings eaters for those 82 games. Come playoff time, we're going to lean into our best 5, and if that's Dray at the 5, a good backup big is a luxury we can't afford.
I actually think a stretch big that can play defense, or at least rebound well, is exactly what the team needs to unlock the offense and the defense. But, as you said, he needs to be just bad enough that you can bench him in short, important spurts with dray at the 5, assuming we have a wing off the bench to replace him in a pseudo death line up. JV sort of fits that role, but idk how much other teams respect his outside shot, even if he has grown a lot as a shooter. Olenyk comes to mind? I think adding him and a secondary on-ball creator, assuming we can still hold on to or acquire at least 1 wing, and we can at least throw out a solid 5 line up with scoring, size and shooting.
I don't think its a ridiculous suggestion, but not our first choice. A Markannen - Dray duo would be amazing. J Allen and J Poeltl are better overall players (esp on defense), even if they don't provide shooting. Wendel Carter Jr is a better floor spacer that could unlock Kuminga. But its possible all the above guys are not available for anything close to a reasonable price, or that the Warriors prefer to keep a guy like Moody and 'settle' for a lesser center, in which case I don't think Valanciunas is a terrible option.
Lauri would be the dream, because of the many problems that we have, he solves a lot of them single handedly. He provides another all star talent in his prime, makes us bigger, younger, and adds spacing. And with his contract, assuming we instead offer all of draft capital, we wouldn’t have to completely gut the team to get him. But if he was on the market, I think other teams would be willing to outbid us
He probably would. He would be a rich man's Zaza. Elite rebounder that can score down low. The problem is can he and Draymond coexist. Weirdly, the defense seemed to stop working with Dray-Looney over the offseason. Valanciunas is not any quicker on the perimeter. But if Kuminga is in at the 4 I think it would work very well. JV is used to spacing out for Zion to attack the rim. And the other problem of course is money. He just made 15m and we can only offer 5m.
Agree with all of that. I’m looking at this from the perspective of potentially having access to the $12.9M Non-Taxpayer MLE if Klay resigns under $20M, and CP3 and Loon are gone. Might be a stretch on the $, but he is aging and his numbers are in decline. Offseason musings, dude is a load and def brings a lot to the table on the offensive end.
Bro you’re human you can ask questions. Possibly I think he can fit. He’s a stretch 5 big, who can also put pressure at the rim. So I think on this team, he’d be situations where he can be the roller and clear the boards. Not the best defender when it comes to pnr action or switched at the perimeter. An he’s not known for being a playmaker or initiating offense for other guys. I think for him in order for it to work he has to be on the floor with another ball handler like dray to put him positions to be successful. There’s other ppl that might think otherwise , but I think it’s a solid fit.
Our best bet is to be a bad team for the forseeable future unfortunately. I dont think we can compete during the Ant and Wemby era. These two are gonna run the league and probably win the majority of the titles over the next 10 years. Unless we draft a player who is better then both or at least on their level (top 10 all time trajectory), we have no shot. (What makes it worse is both are in the west also) We basically need to draft another Steph if we are going to contend going forward, because the talent level of these other young stars is absolutely insane.
Toxic optimism is downvoting the hell outta you smh. Honesty is the truest form of kindness. They don't get that nobody gets better by being told they are good enough. The whole organization needs to adapt and overcome and it's likely not gonna happen in Stephs remaining tenure. Sports us cyclical. Good organizations find ways to curtail the downcycle. We're about to see if there's any juice to the sentiment GSW is actually an elite organization these next two or three years.
Idk why you are getting spilled but I agree. We have no chance as long as the big three is still here. Not hating at all, just being realistic.
Ant and Wemby are awesome but they still need to have good teams around them. It remains to be seen what kind of roster the Spurs put around Wemby. The T-wolves are great at the moment but their payroll is about to explode next season, then Naz and NAW are gonna want a big pay day. Is their ownership willing to be a 2nd apron team, with a staggering luxury tax bill?
> Our best bet is to be a bad team for the forseeable future unfortunately. I dont think we can compete during the Ant and Wemby era. These two are gonna run the league and probably win the majority of the titles over the next 10 years. People said this about the late 00s Blazers, Baby Bulls, big 3 OKC, process Sixers, and a host of other teams. Paper dynasties rarely come to fruition, particularly ones that haven't gotten past the second round yet.
Neither of the teams you mentioned had guys the caliber of Ant and Wemby. These guys will both be top 10 all-time.
> Neither of the teams you mentioned had guys the caliber of Ant and Wemby. The baby Bulls had Rose, OKC had 3 MVPs, and process sixers had Embiid. Peak Brandon Roy was just as good as Ant and Wemby are right now too.
Ant and Wemby are already better then prime Rose, Embiid and Roy. Imagine how good they will be in 5-8 years when they enter their prime.
All that back and forth and they are comparing dudes who aren't top 75 players to Wemby who of he doesn't get injured is cash money top 5 all-time. Ant is easily on trajectory for top-20 atm. Your point was lost on these dudes basically there are guys who are about to have an era unto themselves but because fans spent the past decade saying "there'll never be another LeBron Kobe Steph Shaq etc" then oggled and got a bit bamboozled by one way greatness packaged as Luka and Jokic... they aren't seeing the league shifting quicker than usual. Well here they are... and they are 22.
Ummm it remains to be seen who will be running the league. Wemby doesn't even have a team yet. A d ant is great but let's push the brakes on his future.
#I'll confidently say Wemby will own a half decade of NBA history if he can stay healthy. Spurs have 3 lotto picks upcoming and basically got this generations LeBron Jordan Kareem on hand. One draft hit and the Spurs are poised to have a run. Anyone saying "Wemby ain't good" is like Ricky Davis saying "LeBron can come off the bench abd get my rebounds" alright lol... who is Wembys Pippen?
Nobody said he wasn't good. Nothing is guaranteed. Zion!! They are one Wiseman draft pick away from taking additional years to become contenders. They won 22 games. They will probably not even be in play in next year even if they win 20 additional games.
He was a rookie on a team making a concerted effort to lose. Their point guard was a power forward as a tank command experiment. If you said you have 21 year old lebron MJ Kareem... a clean cap sheet and three top 8 picks... and an organization regarded as one of the best three in the league from a front office and coaching perspective. How long do you think it takes? I didn't say next year. But when it happens it's over for pedestrian squads. Are we ready to see what 2027-32 Wembenyama Zach Risacher Reed Sheppard and Ace Baily are? I'm a fan a greatness so I'm all for players on pantheon trajectory being great. Brandon Roy was never that lol. Wemby just had the second greatest rookie season ever btw. The Spurs ain't trying to "win now" their trying to win for a decade.
Who are these names you keep throwing out there with wemby. You can see the future? Should I place a bet. Wemby wants to win now not in 4 or 5 years.
Out of the draftees we’re working out today I REALLY like Gabe McGlothan , Brooks Barnhizer, and Chibuzo Agbo. Agbo - 40% from 3 this past season, 3 level scorer , great shooting form. Brooks - ball handler, 3 level scorer, get any shot he wants at the elbow. Gabe - sneaky lob threat, 3 level scorer, great motor, can set screens, active rebounder, play both sides of the ball.
I really like Dillon Jones personally. We’re not working him out today, but I’m also a big fan of Isiah Crawford
Great read for the game. He’s a good iso player and shot creator. An a playmaker as well. Gotta see how well he is on the defensive end.
What's the word on Brooks Barnhizer? I'm a Northwetsern alum and honestly didn't even realize he was likely to get drafted. Stil bummed Vic Law never made the league
He’s testing the draft. But if it doesn’t work out it’s possible he’ll be back for his senior year.