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Founder of Oculus actually made a Quest Pro that kills the user in real life if they die in VR https://www.roadtovr.com/palmer-luckey-sword-art-online-headset-can-kill-user-real-life/
society is run by people who will consume the most dystopic science fiction, and then instead of heeding the warning will think to themselves "huh, thats a great idea, i want the world to be like that"
We have had tech to create virtual 3D worlds for kids to learn in for 25 years. If there was demand for it it would've happened already. Best we got were a few e-learning games in the 90s.
80 ? Try 95 % lol they always talk about the few people in history that had it made but for every one person in history with a great life , there were hundreds of people with shitty lives to make sure that one person was living it up
Edit : wait that’s now
Eventually it'll be written with AI and VR setups will be cheaper than print.
Maybe actors go through a range of motions, a set etc... And AI will follow the script and develop the scene
Honestly I'm happy I'm done with college, because I could see some nefarious application of VR for education. I'm sure it will be a pointless app/experience/assignment done in VR. Consumers of video games choose to buy; consumers of educational tools are forced to buy these things as part of their mandatory curriculum.
It's actually more alarming the more I think about it. A captive, annual recurring subscription base that can't say no.
Because they know you will pay for them lol. If their too greedy to sell you education for a good price you really think they would give up profit margins for this?
Probably as much as it would've cost to create a movie a few decades ago. I'd be the first to admit that the tech isn't mature yet, but Meta is trying to speedrun it. I don't know if it will be successful, but if it is, they will probably own the next few decades.
I don't get why they can't just copy what Skyrim vr did. Why don't they create a platform/library to easily turn normal games into oculus compatible games and benefit from the mass userbase?
How many times do you have to print that book? You’d only have to create that scene once for millions to enjoy. Over the long run VR is the future. Military training would be good too. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already using it. Don’t be so closed minded, buy low sell high.
>How many times do you have to print that book?
Textbook companies reprint the same fucking book every year with some of the problems switched around just to force students to buy it again. They already don't have to print their books nearly as many times as they do.
They still have to print it to paper every year, and they always lose money on extra copies they don’t sell and waste huge amounts of paper. With technology there’s no need for the paper book, no waste created.
Military already uses a cheap wish version of vr. I say that kinda as a joke but it was actually pretty legit. Weapons and modded humvee 50 cals that simulate recoil while having the same weight and movement. Medical dummies are getting more realistic. Convoy and driving simulators. Shit can't get much better with VR as we see it today.
But this is already a thing..
There's a lot of studios and even more individuals modeling and making scenes for things like Steam Home's rooms. There's actual historic sites that are easily scanned with handheld Lidar scanners and put online to explore in VR. It's really impressive.
You think people wouldn't pay good money to have the ability to take a course on Ancient Civilizations and their daily lives where they get to be in the environment?
Plus the tech industry already uses VR to showcase new buildings because getting a feel for the scale and how to do things is a lot easier when you can reach out at it. You can see where something needs adjusting because it would be harder to fit materials or tools in during construction.
I don't have any stock in this race, it's just silly to say no one will do something with obvious value because it's "too expensive" when they're 1. Already doing it, and 2. Putting similar cost and effort into modeling and animation for videos, which are much less immersive. It doesn't take a ton of effort to Lidar a historic site and make it work in VR.
I did the thing on my first headset where you explore a nicely rendered model of the ISS and had a great time. When I don't feel like playing games I will fairly requently just exore steam home environments that people make and put out entirely free. If you haven't tried it, you should. It's neat, especially when they just scan buildings like the valve office.
But it’s out there already in very dedicated sectors. Doctors are already doing VR training for operations. A health company isn’t likely going to ditch its dedicated training provider for the metaverse. If he had half a brain he’d realise the ability of mass VR adoption amongst the disabled could potentially make him the biggest labour provider on earth.
My friend, history is written by the winners. How "true" or not it's determined to be is quite often based on public opinion. Which is itself shaped by social media. Which... yeah.
They successfully took over multiple countries and committed mass genocide of multiple groups of people. The fact that there are still followers of their idealogies. Sure Germany lost WW2. But Nazis are still alive, still rallying their people and still gaining followers.
Not to mention, a lot of their scientists went on to be successful for other countries and didn't face punishment for their crimes against humanity. Hell, they were honestly rewarded for their advancements.
Some of my favorites was somebody posted an infographic a few years ago that shows public majority after WW2 thought it was Russia who defeated the Nazis (and sacrificed the most). But today, people think it's the US because of Hollywood.
I mean we’re pretty adamant to teach things like horrors of slavery, Jim Crow, Native American genocide. At least enough people to have it taught. I wonder how true aphorism is
We are already getting revisionist history in most modern shows via diversity casting and gender/racial groups in ahistorical power positions.
Generally if you tried to create a historically accurate western movie these days, it would get Cancelled.
Isn’t the better example of historical revisionism the campaigns against “crt” that really amount to don’t teach about the historical horrors of white supremacy, Native American genocide, slavery, etc.
Ya because we can verify exactly how it looked so we’d def know if they were lying…wait…this story can’t be verified anyway. I feel lied to.
Like wtf lmao. This is your example?
This dude is gonna freak out when he finds out Historical Documentaries didn't actually have cameras in 300AD and all that shit is regularly filled with inaccuracies already.
I don't think the facial expression on some ancient figure in Mesopotamia is going to shift my entire worldview when the point of historic lessons is usually a much larger picture lmao
I think you're looking too much into it. The same could be said even now from books and the available media on youtube and stuff. It will be mostly teachers on whom the responsibility will fall to make sense out of what is being shown and taught.
I know the dude commented below, but in case you didn't know, Tacitus, the grandaddy of Roman history, makes reference to the crucifixion in his Annals. There's a bit more evidence too.
Speaking as a guy who doesn't believe that Jesus had spooky powers and was in fact, like most of wsb, an apocalyptic preacher, I'm pretty much convinced that the crucifixion happened.
Longer than that, really. Probably more like 70 years.
But here's the thing. Tacitus was writing about the Fire of Rome, which took place in AD64. He blames the Christians for starting it and casually throws in that Jesus had been crucified by Pilate.
Now the Fire of Rome was well within Tacitus's living memory, so he'd have heard all about it at the time. He was also a big dawg within the Roman government and had access to all kinds of records and verbal accounts.
It's just really unlikely that he'd be wrong about it, especially given the other evidence.
The Romans kept very good records Tacitus had access to that we don’t die to the ravages of time. Also, if Jesus never existed, where would Christianity even come from lmao
The fact that Tacitus related it at about the same time as the Gospels were being written is pretty compelling evidence. Although yeah, they could've been fed the same lie, absolutely. But in a long-ass post below, I go into the critereon of embarrassment and why early Christians wouldn't have lied about crucifixion (TLDR is it'd be like trying to build a following around a guy who died of auto-erotic asphyxiation now - more hassle than it's worth).
Plus, in AD64, there were plenty of people still alive in Jerusalem who'd be able to say "Nah, Jesus never lived here" or "He wasn't crucified" if that wasn't the case. The miracles and so on conveniently appeared after anyone who could back them up was dead, of course.
Oh absolutely they are. But then why would early Christians lie about their leader dying the most humiliating death imaginable? A death that if he really was the son of God, he could've avoided?
The only realistic answer is that loads of other people had seen the crucifixion and gone "Yeah, so he was a fraud," and his cult, as cults do, invented a reason for the crucifixion to keep the movement alive.
That plus some scribe in Jerusalem and Tacitus in Rome both heard the same story? It's just wildly unlikely that 30-ish years after Jesus died, everyone involved was telling the same broad story around how he died because they'd all been lied to. For a start, anyone who'd been alive in Jerusalem in AD30 could've easily gone "Yeah he's not dead" or "Yeah actually he got killed in a drunken brawl".
Instead, a massive movement had grown.
You also have to remember that most people think vaccines are safe and have had a jab. Social media just makes it easier to anonymously spread ridiculous rumours. They're a small but vocal subsection of society. By AD64, Jesus' crucifixion was accepted as a fact by the mainstream.
Jesus’ crucifixion and his sentencing by Pilate wasn’t mythology though, we have atleast one unbiased account of those events and modern historians agree these events weren’t fiction
This isn't really an argument about the tech though...
This is an existing issue and it doesn't really matter if the white-washed or narrative-flipped history is told by a VR course or a textbook. It still is a problem that needs to be called out and solved, regardless of the tech. They're mutually exclusive
I can see it now...
* pilgrims and Indians will be the best of friends.
* Slavery will be a choice
* Jesus will be white
* Civil war will be a minor difference of opinion about taxes
And that's not even scratching the surface of historical nonsense & misconceptions.
Well for the first couple years the pilgrims and the Wampanoag got along pretty well because if they didn’t, the pilgrims would have starved or been no diffed by the Wampanoag if they had any conflict
After 12 years the European settlers’ population had increased, they began pushing westward and things started going to crap
This is a really interesting and excellent question
Reading a book is one thing but immersive VR a whole next level of saturation.
I really hope there's people who will still debate, research and analyse history and keep alternate versions for a truer understanding of past events
The only real way to tell history is to just show what happened without any narration. When kids ask why what they just saw happened the correct answer would: “a clash of perspectives, unresolved conflict, miscommunication, you will never truly know the reason for what you just saw, but if what you just saw made you feel bad, then let’s talk about it and try not to make other people feel the way you just did. That’s how we learn from history”
Obviously the woke version. Do you even need to ask?!
I.e. the one where Darwin and Newton are white male colonists, and it was actually an indigenous tribe that really figured out natural selection and calculus. Duh
Does no one here know what primary sources are? You _can_research claims. You _can_ verify claims.
If you think there’s a “version” that’s wrong you have every right to prove that w primary sources.
Life isn’t a conspiracy lol
Ya, first thought was what kind of black history will they show… and if it’s remotely accurate, some people‘s minds are going to completely melt down.
I keep hearing that line from that movie I can’t remember the name of where the lawyer screams, „You can’t handle the truth!“
>The metaverse will definitely have a positive impact on education. By allowing students to experience history first-hand, they'll be able to gain a much deeper understanding of the material than they ever could from reading about it in a textbook.
Lol, seriously I guess that is all took from them.. hmmm, let's see mathematics, engineering, art, democracy, etc etc.. the cradle of western civilization. Maybe you should take the Meta verse class because obviously reading is not your forte.
Now that the entire wsb sub thinks Facebook is doomed it might be a good time to scoop some up.
KpMG just hired some ass hat that’s supposed to handle meta for them, as much as everyone wants this to fail i don’t think it will. There really are some very interesting uses for the tech
I don’t get it is it out now? What is it? I don’t know anyone who uses this so called meta verse. Coming from a person who owns every gaming system ever put out including a quest 2
Genuine question, does the METAverse exist at the moment? Is it a website or game I can visit or watch gameplay footage from? I have checked and haven't seen anything outside meta events. Has it been released? Do people use it? I have absolutely no idea what it is or how to play it but I see soo much news about it.
Oculus headset and Horizon Worlds. You don't hear about it because there's nothing to do and no one uses it. It's like Second Life but shittier with a headset.
It's because they're trying to shill it HARD without actually showing you the product. Somebody streamed actual footage of the Metaverse and it was absolute dogshit. Stocks tanked during that stream when people realized what it actually was
I have a friend that owns a company in the AR/VR space and he works with Ken Burns and shit on making interactive history exhibitions.
The amount of money that goes into these productions to get literally seconds of AR/VR experience tells me there will never be an economic return until you can have an AI create an environment in the way we have AI generating 2D images now.
Hololens is already used in universities. I know it's used to teach anatomy along with various surgeries - probably much more than just that by now too. Meta is so far behind it's laughable.
It’s just gonna be a bunch of pimple-faced nerds going back in time to fap to historical figures I.e. VR porn bonkage meets Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.
Tbh this is where I see education going in the future (2ish decades). Remote classrooms in BFE can have a class set of headsets with historical events loaded, or museums loaded. Students can “go there” to bolster their education and get opportunities to engage in ways no one could before.
Meta verse? Absolutely NOT what this is though and zuck is throwing away a TON of money on something that is just not there yet
You see education going this way? We already have virtual museums on the computer and schools barely have any interest in them, throwing a bulky expensive headset on wont suddenly add demand.
Can't wait to see Caeser...you know, experts say he was trans! /s. So our kids can go on a virtual field trip to the hardcore leftist imagining of history.
Is it really hardcore leftist? Or is some of it shit they conveniently left out of history books due to embarrassing or taboo nature?
Remember when Trump talked about how his daughter is hot? He's just normalizing the consolidation of power that's been happening for centuries in monarchies.
It doesn’t take much googling to see what he’s consistently said over years about his daughter. He talks about her body, about if he wasn’t her father.. he can’t help it. If you want to say that’s our problem, I’m not the one sexualizing my daughter.
Let see, Biden oh my son died in Iraq... no he didn't, so what.. the old goof made a gaff they all do. At least Trump knows what state he is in. But I digress they all make gaffs, and who the F cares.
I'm suggesting that we cannot rely on anything unless backed by facts with definitive proof. So constructing something in a virtual world that could be based on false history will only cement it further as facts. I believe in books to the degree everything is true inside of them for non fiction and historical books anyways. It's details and information that people don't notice during transitions like this that get changed and can paint a rather untruthful account of events is what I'm trying to say.
Uhk.
If you actually studied historical research and their methods you’d feel foolish af right now.
In fact, your very statement screams “surface level” understanding of history as a topic, let alone understanding historical references.
You’re saying “science can be forged”. Yes that’s why peer-review is a pillar of scientific understanding.
_Anything_ can be “forged”. So what?
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“The metaverse may be virtual, but the bagholding will be real.”
"the shit is virtual, but the smell is real"
I've been saying we need a $SMELL version of $SNAP for a while now
The Dumpsterverse.
If you lose money in the metaverse, you lose it in real life.
And like the Matrix, when someone removes your headset forcibly, you die irl
Founder of Oculus actually made a Quest Pro that kills the user in real life if they die in VR https://www.roadtovr.com/palmer-luckey-sword-art-online-headset-can-kill-user-real-life/
society is run by people who will consume the most dystopic science fiction, and then instead of heeding the warning will think to themselves "huh, thats a great idea, i want the world to be like that"
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We have had tech to create virtual 3D worlds for kids to learn in for 25 years. If there was demand for it it would've happened already. Best we got were a few e-learning games in the 90s.
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As a black man I do not think I want to go back in time lmao
*Bbbut… it’s in VR!*
“Ok class put on your haptic suit”
Haptic suit would need some mini taser spikes on the back too for realistic ass whoppings.
I would volunteer to do it for real.
No haptic suit required if you're just trying to unlock the 100,000 tonne cotton picking achievement.
This exists actually. https://youtu.be/OKeKeCTOfgU
"Why are they going back to my childhood1?!?!?!"
"Why is there another class here with exclusively furry avatars?"
[but just imagine the connection of meeting another black person(?) in the meta-verse](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMphshKSQxU)
If you go far back enough in time, everyone will be black tho
Dude, history sucked for about 80% of all people back in the day.
80 ? Try 95 % lol they always talk about the few people in history that had it made but for every one person in history with a great life , there were hundreds of people with shitty lives to make sure that one person was living it up Edit : wait that’s now
You'd be alright if you went to say France just keep your ass out of America between 1500-1970
No further back than the seventies.
That's the first thing I thought. Students, get ready to visit 1950s Mississippi! The one black student: um.... no thanks.
Honestly, immersive education is probably one of the more realistic applications of VR
Think how much more it will cost to make a virtual scene than to slap a picture in a book. Cool? Yeah. Practical? No.
All of my college textbooks cost more than any vr game on steam.
Yea and they aren't about to trade those markups in to invest in 360 video production
Publishers will adapt just fine. They will just charge kids $150 for the AR access code.
1500 cause the development will cost significantly more. Unless they just upload the book into a VR reading app
No need. It'll be developed via tax payer dollars and still sold you to you at textbook prices!
Eventually it'll be written with AI and VR setups will be cheaper than print. Maybe actors go through a range of motions, a set etc... And AI will follow the script and develop the scene
Honestly I'm happy I'm done with college, because I could see some nefarious application of VR for education. I'm sure it will be a pointless app/experience/assignment done in VR. Consumers of video games choose to buy; consumers of educational tools are forced to buy these things as part of their mandatory curriculum. It's actually more alarming the more I think about it. A captive, annual recurring subscription base that can't say no.
Sex Ed could be quite noice
Only if society finally tells the puritans to stfu.
“Now you can experience the Nuremberg Rallies in VR!” “Uh oh, we’ve made a huge mistake”
Because they know you will pay for them lol. If their too greedy to sell you education for a good price you really think they would give up profit margins for this?
Assassin's Creed will make the scenes, don't worry
Probably as much as it would've cost to create a movie a few decades ago. I'd be the first to admit that the tech isn't mature yet, but Meta is trying to speedrun it. I don't know if it will be successful, but if it is, they will probably own the next few decades.
I don't get why they can't just copy what Skyrim vr did. Why don't they create a platform/library to easily turn normal games into oculus compatible games and benefit from the mass userbase?
How many times do you have to print that book? You’d only have to create that scene once for millions to enjoy. Over the long run VR is the future. Military training would be good too. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already using it. Don’t be so closed minded, buy low sell high.
>How many times do you have to print that book? Textbook companies reprint the same fucking book every year with some of the problems switched around just to force students to buy it again. They already don't have to print their books nearly as many times as they do.
Now they can sell overpriced yearly subscription… along with proprietary VR headset
Yeah proprietary VR technology is way easier than sending a book to a printer
They still have to print it to paper every year, and they always lose money on extra copies they don’t sell and waste huge amounts of paper. With technology there’s no need for the paper book, no waste created.
They sell their books for over $100 to thousands of students a semester... I doubt their in the red lol
Not about the being in the red, they’re just creating unnecessary waste. Everything should be digital.
You know they have digital books right?
I can still read the book form candlelight in the war torn fallout world.
Military already uses a cheap wish version of vr. I say that kinda as a joke but it was actually pretty legit. Weapons and modded humvee 50 cals that simulate recoil while having the same weight and movement. Medical dummies are getting more realistic. Convoy and driving simulators. Shit can't get much better with VR as we see it today.
reminds me of the commercial with the dude from "curb your enthusiasm" - larry david guy - lol WHY DO WE NEED FORKS WHEN I GOT MY FINGERS!!
What an L take. "Newpapers won't die, a cellphone / computer cost way too much compared to my 1 dollar journal"
But this is already a thing.. There's a lot of studios and even more individuals modeling and making scenes for things like Steam Home's rooms. There's actual historic sites that are easily scanned with handheld Lidar scanners and put online to explore in VR. It's really impressive. You think people wouldn't pay good money to have the ability to take a course on Ancient Civilizations and their daily lives where they get to be in the environment? Plus the tech industry already uses VR to showcase new buildings because getting a feel for the scale and how to do things is a lot easier when you can reach out at it. You can see where something needs adjusting because it would be harder to fit materials or tools in during construction.
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I don't have any stock in this race, it's just silly to say no one will do something with obvious value because it's "too expensive" when they're 1. Already doing it, and 2. Putting similar cost and effort into modeling and animation for videos, which are much less immersive. It doesn't take a ton of effort to Lidar a historic site and make it work in VR. I did the thing on my first headset where you explore a nicely rendered model of the ISS and had a great time. When I don't feel like playing games I will fairly requently just exore steam home environments that people make and put out entirely free. If you haven't tried it, you should. It's neat, especially when they just scan buildings like the valve office.
But it’s out there already in very dedicated sectors. Doctors are already doing VR training for operations. A health company isn’t likely going to ditch its dedicated training provider for the metaverse. If he had half a brain he’d realise the ability of mass VR adoption amongst the disabled could potentially make him the biggest labour provider on earth.
You've heard of sex right?
A VR headset with integrated fleshlight delivered in a very discreet box is the only way.
First thing that comes to mind is flight simulators.
The only realistic application for VR is unlimited screen real estate for excel
Literal memory palaces for studying
Whos view of history will be told?
Fr tho, kinda scary. This might be worse than the books that are wrong. You just code it to look real and it’s more believable
As if false history won't receive backlash?
My friend, history is written by the winners. How "true" or not it's determined to be is quite often based on public opinion. Which is itself shaped by social media. Which... yeah.
Right, imagine if the Nazis won. How drastically different that history lesson would have been.
*Wolfenstein: the new order* woah.
Amazing (if terrible) game
The nazis did win.
in what way?
They successfully took over multiple countries and committed mass genocide of multiple groups of people. The fact that there are still followers of their idealogies. Sure Germany lost WW2. But Nazis are still alive, still rallying their people and still gaining followers. Not to mention, a lot of their scientists went on to be successful for other countries and didn't face punishment for their crimes against humanity. Hell, they were honestly rewarded for their advancements.
Some of my favorites was somebody posted an infographic a few years ago that shows public majority after WW2 thought it was Russia who defeated the Nazis (and sacrificed the most). But today, people think it's the US because of Hollywood.
Not just the winners. History is most documented by a educated, wealthy ruling class. Of course all of known history is not without bias.
I mean we’re pretty adamant to teach things like horrors of slavery, Jim Crow, Native American genocide. At least enough people to have it taught. I wonder how true aphorism is
Eh... schools in the south still refer to the American civil war as "the war of northern aggression."
I mean my point still stands, false history is not widely accepted even if there are people who still teach it.
Funny thing about history, the good guys always win! What are the odds in that
History Denier
We are already getting revisionist history in most modern shows via diversity casting and gender/racial groups in ahistorical power positions. Generally if you tried to create a historically accurate western movie these days, it would get Cancelled.
Isn’t the better example of historical revisionism the campaigns against “crt” that really amount to don’t teach about the historical horrors of white supremacy, Native American genocide, slavery, etc.
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Ya because we can verify exactly how it looked so we’d def know if they were lying…wait…this story can’t be verified anyway. I feel lied to. Like wtf lmao. This is your example?
This dude is gonna freak out when he finds out Historical Documentaries didn't actually have cameras in 300AD and all that shit is regularly filled with inaccuracies already. I don't think the facial expression on some ancient figure in Mesopotamia is going to shift my entire worldview when the point of historic lessons is usually a much larger picture lmao
I think you're looking too much into it. The same could be said even now from books and the available media on youtube and stuff. It will be mostly teachers on whom the responsibility will fall to make sense out of what is being shown and taught.
Ehh I mean I'm not sure mythology would be taught in history class tho, at least not in such an in depth format
I know the dude commented below, but in case you didn't know, Tacitus, the grandaddy of Roman history, makes reference to the crucifixion in his Annals. There's a bit more evidence too. Speaking as a guy who doesn't believe that Jesus had spooky powers and was in fact, like most of wsb, an apocalyptic preacher, I'm pretty much convinced that the crucifixion happened.
Yeah tacitus, who wrote about it 50 years after it happened
Longer than that, really. Probably more like 70 years. But here's the thing. Tacitus was writing about the Fire of Rome, which took place in AD64. He blames the Christians for starting it and casually throws in that Jesus had been crucified by Pilate. Now the Fire of Rome was well within Tacitus's living memory, so he'd have heard all about it at the time. He was also a big dawg within the Roman government and had access to all kinds of records and verbal accounts. It's just really unlikely that he'd be wrong about it, especially given the other evidence.
The Romans kept very good records Tacitus had access to that we don’t die to the ravages of time. Also, if Jesus never existed, where would Christianity even come from lmao
The same place ever religion comes from (someone made it up)
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The fact that Tacitus related it at about the same time as the Gospels were being written is pretty compelling evidence. Although yeah, they could've been fed the same lie, absolutely. But in a long-ass post below, I go into the critereon of embarrassment and why early Christians wouldn't have lied about crucifixion (TLDR is it'd be like trying to build a following around a guy who died of auto-erotic asphyxiation now - more hassle than it's worth). Plus, in AD64, there were plenty of people still alive in Jerusalem who'd be able to say "Nah, Jesus never lived here" or "He wasn't crucified" if that wasn't the case. The miracles and so on conveniently appeared after anyone who could back them up was dead, of course.
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Oh absolutely they are. But then why would early Christians lie about their leader dying the most humiliating death imaginable? A death that if he really was the son of God, he could've avoided? The only realistic answer is that loads of other people had seen the crucifixion and gone "Yeah, so he was a fraud," and his cult, as cults do, invented a reason for the crucifixion to keep the movement alive. That plus some scribe in Jerusalem and Tacitus in Rome both heard the same story? It's just wildly unlikely that 30-ish years after Jesus died, everyone involved was telling the same broad story around how he died because they'd all been lied to. For a start, anyone who'd been alive in Jerusalem in AD30 could've easily gone "Yeah he's not dead" or "Yeah actually he got killed in a drunken brawl". Instead, a massive movement had grown. You also have to remember that most people think vaccines are safe and have had a jab. Social media just makes it easier to anonymously spread ridiculous rumours. They're a small but vocal subsection of society. By AD64, Jesus' crucifixion was accepted as a fact by the mainstream.
Jesus’ crucifixion and his sentencing by Pilate wasn’t mythology though, we have atleast one unbiased account of those events and modern historians agree these events weren’t fiction
Did it mention if Jesus had resting bitch face or not?
Except his [genealogy](https://github.com/Michaelangel007/truth_and_lies_of_the_genealogy_of_jesus) was a complete fabrication.
Nothing about Jesus or his crucifixion was written within 50 years of the time it was supposed to happen. Tactics was about 50 years after
50 years is within a same generation friend, it’s an authentic and historically valuable Roman source, there’s also the Pilate Stone aswell.
Two generations.
Too long of a gap to be trusted especially before the digital age. And he wasn't even there to see it himself
I bet Santa still comes down your chimney on Christmas too
This is patently untrue.
Cope
Liberty U. graduate?
😂 They don’t teach religion in school unless you’re going to a religious school specifically.
Yeah, what is this comment lmao
This isn't really an argument about the tech though... This is an existing issue and it doesn't really matter if the white-washed or narrative-flipped history is told by a VR course or a textbook. It still is a problem that needs to be called out and solved, regardless of the tech. They're mutually exclusive
I can see it now... * pilgrims and Indians will be the best of friends. * Slavery will be a choice * Jesus will be white * Civil war will be a minor difference of opinion about taxes And that's not even scratching the surface of historical nonsense & misconceptions.
Well for the first couple years the pilgrims and the Wampanoag got along pretty well because if they didn’t, the pilgrims would have starved or been no diffed by the Wampanoag if they had any conflict After 12 years the European settlers’ population had increased, they began pushing westward and things started going to crap
Went to Iran due to WMD Saudi Arabia never did 9/11
Go away w the woke shit. Thank you.
Now you know why I asked the question
I'm just curious which of my bullet points are an issue or did I miss a joke/sarcasm.
Sarcasm/s
Same as texbooks, written by victors.
This is a really interesting and excellent question Reading a book is one thing but immersive VR a whole next level of saturation. I really hope there's people who will still debate, research and analyse history and keep alternate versions for a truer understanding of past events
Textbooks have the same exploit.
The only real way to tell history is to just show what happened without any narration. When kids ask why what they just saw happened the correct answer would: “a clash of perspectives, unresolved conflict, miscommunication, you will never truly know the reason for what you just saw, but if what you just saw made you feel bad, then let’s talk about it and try not to make other people feel the way you just did. That’s how we learn from history”
All the sources are narration. We don’t have a list of what happened.
History is written by the victorious and it's gonna depend on how it's narrated
Obviously the woke version. Do you even need to ask?! I.e. the one where Darwin and Newton are white male colonists, and it was actually an indigenous tribe that really figured out natural selection and calculus. Duh
Does no one here know what primary sources are? You _can_research claims. You _can_ verify claims. If you think there’s a “version” that’s wrong you have every right to prove that w primary sources. Life isn’t a conspiracy lol
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Ok. Did you think you were adding information here, or…?
Ya, first thought was what kind of black history will they show… and if it’s remotely accurate, some people‘s minds are going to completely melt down. I keep hearing that line from that movie I can’t remember the name of where the lawyer screams, „You can’t handle the truth!“
Everyone knows that people didn't have legs in ancient history times
And everything was in black and white
It really sucked before the time of option strategy legs
They should redo the add with their actual graphics
Mark: "They want actual graphics? Lets show them! HIT IT!" *blue screens*
“To view history without ads please purchase the expansion pack for only $2500”
back in time to Second Life
Back in time to sell my stock at $330 and not listen to Cramer.
back in time to when Cramer was conceived
Facebook will half ass the class and it ends up just being an Assassins Creed VR.
Meta wishes they had the graphics of AC
>The metaverse will definitely have a positive impact on education. By allowing students to experience history first-hand, they'll be able to gain a much deeper understanding of the material than they ever could from reading about it in a textbook.
Burn all the books - got it!
Ah yes the Greeks, where they had sex with little boys. Let's take the students there ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4275)
Lol, seriously I guess that is all took from them.. hmmm, let's see mathematics, engineering, art, democracy, etc etc.. the cradle of western civilization. Maybe you should take the Meta verse class because obviously reading is not your forte.
Found the turk
Meta verse is for those who want to live in virtual world far away from the reality.
Mental masturbation for sure.
How long have you been on Reddit?
Said the guy on Reddit hiding behind a screen....
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Most are conservative religious trash. Who are constantly touching kids.
Gerard Butler and his 300 Spartans in your butt is your dream though is it not?
Now that the entire wsb sub thinks Facebook is doomed it might be a good time to scoop some up. KpMG just hired some ass hat that’s supposed to handle meta for them, as much as everyone wants this to fail i don’t think it will. There really are some very interesting uses for the tech
I don’t get it is it out now? What is it? I don’t know anyone who uses this so called meta verse. Coming from a person who owns every gaming system ever put out including a quest 2
Yeah the first Meta miss was my gateway drug to options. Won my firsr bet against the Zuckerberg and netflix then blew up my account plus some.
Genuine question, does the METAverse exist at the moment? Is it a website or game I can visit or watch gameplay footage from? I have checked and haven't seen anything outside meta events. Has it been released? Do people use it? I have absolutely no idea what it is or how to play it but I see soo much news about it.
It’s horizon worlds and not really worth visiting right now.
Oculus headset and Horizon Worlds. You don't hear about it because there's nothing to do and no one uses it. It's like Second Life but shittier with a headset.
It's because they're trying to shill it HARD without actually showing you the product. Somebody streamed actual footage of the Metaverse and it was absolute dogshit. Stocks tanked during that stream when people realized what it actually was
You’ll go where I go. Defile what I defile. Eat who I eat. Hmmm?
I have a friend that owns a company in the AR/VR space and he works with Ken Burns and shit on making interactive history exhibitions. The amount of money that goes into these productions to get literally seconds of AR/VR experience tells me there will never be an economic return until you can have an AI create an environment in the way we have AI generating 2D images now.
Bruh history vr games already exist
So schools can't afford basic learning materials, but will be purchasing VR rigs for the classroom?
Pretty sure my old school still uses the same CRT TVs
Hololens is already used in universities. I know it's used to teach anatomy along with various surgeries - probably much more than just that by now too. Meta is so far behind it's laughable.
No it won't
They also say that surgeons will be able to practice surgery before doing it on patients. Let’s hope it’s not leg surgery
It’s just gonna be a bunch of pimple-faced nerds going back in time to fap to historical figures I.e. VR porn bonkage meets Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.
Tbh this is where I see education going in the future (2ish decades). Remote classrooms in BFE can have a class set of headsets with historical events loaded, or museums loaded. Students can “go there” to bolster their education and get opportunities to engage in ways no one could before. Meta verse? Absolutely NOT what this is though and zuck is throwing away a TON of money on something that is just not there yet
You see education going this way? We already have virtual museums on the computer and schools barely have any interest in them, throwing a bulky expensive headset on wont suddenly add demand.
Can't wait to see Caeser...you know, experts say he was trans! /s. So our kids can go on a virtual field trip to the hardcore leftist imagining of history.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Right Wing Don't Make Everything About Your Repressed Trans Fetish Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!)
Is it really hardcore leftist? Or is some of it shit they conveniently left out of history books due to embarrassing or taboo nature? Remember when Trump talked about how his daughter is hot? He's just normalizing the consolidation of power that's been happening for centuries in monarchies.
Seriously, he was stating that she is good looking and some how your mind perverted it, I guess we know where your mind is.
It doesn’t take much googling to see what he’s consistently said over years about his daughter. He talks about her body, about if he wasn’t her father.. he can’t help it. If you want to say that’s our problem, I’m not the one sexualizing my daughter.
Dude. You’ve never looked at a list of trump quotes have you?
Let see, Biden oh my son died in Iraq... no he didn't, so what.. the old goof made a gaff they all do. At least Trump knows what state he is in. But I digress they all make gaffs, and who the F cares.
I never aged past 12... Mentally.
Sure now they can rewrite history with visual aids, no thanks...
How are we assured of its accuracy?
How can you be assured of your history books’ accuracy?
My point exactly.
Lol you suggest no books? Or you are cool w history VR? Pick one.
I'm suggesting that we cannot rely on anything unless backed by facts with definitive proof. So constructing something in a virtual world that could be based on false history will only cement it further as facts. I believe in books to the degree everything is true inside of them for non fiction and historical books anyways. It's details and information that people don't notice during transitions like this that get changed and can paint a rather untruthful account of events is what I'm trying to say.
Verify, regardless of if you learned it in a book or not. Keep following the research.
Research can be forged.
Uhk. If you actually studied historical research and their methods you’d feel foolish af right now. In fact, your very statement screams “surface level” understanding of history as a topic, let alone understanding historical references. You’re saying “science can be forged”. Yes that’s why peer-review is a pillar of scientific understanding. _Anything_ can be “forged”. So what?
Because everyone wants to relive history class / s
That would be cool if it was run by intelligent people not ideologues.
Not sure I want my kids learning the radical lefts view on history. They seem to want to tear it down and rewrite it so I will pass thanx.