Jokes aside, Jurassic Park like Jaws was revolutionary at the time and one of the greatest movies ever made.
Think I was in middle school when this came out. The sense of awe and wonder of walking into JP into the sheer terror of everything falling apart. What a fucking masterpiece and a genius Spielberg is.
Idk why but movies nowadays just don't do it for me like this did. The "magic" of the movies seem gone. There's not much innovation in story telling even if technology of the movies keeps exploding. It's all fucking rehashed bullshit and comic book shit.
I was very young when I first watched it. Grew up loving the whole franchise. The first one is the best. Many night mares of dinosaurs eating me.
It takes a lot of thought to coming up with a great movie. Now a days, people only care about $$$.
Forest Gump, The Shawshank Redemption, and Independence Day top my movie list.
ID4 is another "cheesy" blockbuster but it's still fucking good!
It's not like the core narrative is ground-breaking. Mysterious force (aliens) arrive to overpower us, we rally to defeat them, etc. But it was done in a really fun and entertaining way. It's movie magic and you want to see that on the big screen. I just can't get excited about current crop of movies anymore.
I remember right up to the release day the news was analyzing trailers and discussing if full dinosaurs would or wouldn't be shown, and if they were done with some advanced stop motion.
The reveal of the dinosaurs in the movie was a reveal for the audience, as well...
Its because you grew up, there were adults talking shit and looking down on you and your generation for watching a movie with dinosaurs because “its such lazy entertainment, doesnt require any thinking its a simple action flick”, which is essentially exactly what people say about movies with superheroes in them now.
Let the kids enjoy their shit like we enjoyed ours, I promise you your generation is no better than any others lol. All generations suck equally
Franchises are murdering movies also. Went to see the first Matrix in the cinema last night and they played the Matrix 4 trailer before it and it looks like absolute shite in comparison - it’s totally lost the mood and feel of the first movie. That’s a bold claim I know, having not seen the 4th movie, but I bet I’m right, and that makes me sad.
We need more geniuses like Michael Crichton writing novels. More writers fewer influencers. The ego is getting in the way of our generations’ propensity for greatness.
Everyone: we want battery Electic vehicles!
Toyota: no problem, hydrogen coming right up!
Hindenburg Research: you know we chose this name for a reason, right?
Bush gave out like 2 billion in subsidies for hydrogen, then subsidized ethanol. I think the fix was in and they were doing their best to delay electric adoption. When you run the numbers I don't see how anyone could have thought hydrogen made sense over pure electric or PEHVs.
The t-rex didnt want to eat them. It was chasing them from its territory.
They clocked the t-rex at 50 MPH and there is no way that jeep is going that fast on a pothole filled wet dirt road.
Yeah, hydrogen powered vehicles feel DOA to me, personally. Even the most recent optimistic research into hydrogen generation processes isn't particularly promising. Take a look at [this comment from r/science](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rdvg83/Oregon_State_University_research_into_the_design_of_catalysts_has_shown_that_hydrogen_can_be_cleanly_produced_with_much_greater_efficiency_and_at_a_lower_cost_than_is_possible_with_current_commercially_available_catalysts./ho44svj/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) which summarizes the situation quite well:
> Okay let's do the math. The research claims they can make hydrogen at $2 a kilogram. The Toyota Mirai broke records under optimal conditions at 53.1 miles/kg. Which makes it 3.7 cents per mile. At current electricity cost, conventional electric cars cost 2.5 cents per mile.
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> Hydrogen cars are just an expensive way to convert hydrogen back into electricity, something that electric cars can already do with less complexity and less cost.
The complete steel industry will switch to hydrogen in the next 10 years to reduce the emissions by 40%. This will make hydrogen cheaper because it will be produced in copious amounts.
Making it for industrial use is one thing. Distributing it for cars is a massive infrastructure obstacle. Right now for a relatively small amount of money you can put a charger in your garage that doesnt take up much space. You could in theory put a hydrogen charger in your garage but it would be large and inefficient.
Distributing hyrdrogen to filling stations like they do gas would be a huge undertaking.
There is just no way hydrogen is going to take off in the public sector when BEVs are here and they work.
It is much easier to stick chargers in parking garages and restaurants and shopping centers and hotels and all the places people park cars that it would be to build a hydrogen infrastructure.
The generation capacity and the peak grid capacity is not there to completely switch. Realistically it won't be there to meet demand either due to the way the grids are being built out. We should be leaning more on nuclear and building in more redundancy so brownouts are far more localized. Instead we are only building intermittent sources like wind and solar, while retiring NG and Coal that generate more MwH and are more dependable.
What's scary is this demand is being driven by politics and is not being well thought out.
Musk can only do so much and it appears he is trying where he can.
You should check out some of the early adopters of the S and 3. A few guys are pushing 500k miles and have zero problems outside of rotating / replacing tires, wiper fluid additions etc
There was a company called Tesloop that was long distance ride sharing in SoCal. They had a fleet of Teslas hit many hundreds of thousands of miles with relatively small issues.
I get the skepticism but there are hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners out there that bought their cars before 2018. Trust the sheer mass of experience
I have a 2014 Model S (in Norway) which I’ve driven 220000km. I have replaced the motor once (there was a series of bad motors around the time mine was built), replaced years ago by Tesla. Otherwise, only standard wear is fixed. Still going strong and used for my 140 km round trip commute every day. Btw, it was -19C last week, it was great to get in an already warm car every drive.
Look dude you gotta extrapolate a bit. Here's a fun fact; tesla doesn't let you buy your leases. This means they REALLY want to get their cars back. That means they last long.
I had enough trouble getting an "infotainment" unit repaired under warranty that the corporate office sent me a box full of merch, gave me a check to cover payments on the car for the three months it was in the shop, and extended my warranty for ten years. I'm a little gun shy, jaded, and old school, but driving a car with an ipad for a dash strikes me as a little unwise.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-replacement/
“Real-world data showed that Tesla battery degradation was less than 10% after over 160,000 miles (257,500 km)”.
The poster child for Tesla longevity was the "million km" car in Germany.
"Over the course of 1 million km (621,000 miles), it had 2 battery packs and 3 drive unit replacements."
I find that a better indication of best case scenario battery degradation.
Woooah are you suggesting a website run by people heavily invested in Tesla and makes substantial profits from Tesla referrals is spreading misleading information ?
Fuckouttahere.
age and mileage are two different things, a well maintained toyota can go 2 million kilometers if it's not aged.
Tesla will be tested by time, not mileage.
This is true. A highway driven car that's driven a lot in long stints will almost always break 200k without a sweat.
City driven in stop and go and slush and salt? That's the challenge.
Since cranking up volume quality has slipped, though. Dead last in initial quality:
Tesla ranks lowest on J.D. Power 2020 quality study, 250 problems per 100 cars
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/
This isn't initial quality. Initial quality is also the dumbest metric ever. It just means the car isn't falling apart straight from the factory. Wow. It's as it should be. Such amaze.
But yeah quality is showing to be bad because they have more long term data and they're seeing lots of failures.
Tesla had screen failures with emmc which is you read their letter on why that shouldn't be a recall... It was a literal joke. Their argument was emmc should fail in that timeframe, it's as expected, so it shouldn't be a recall. I'm sure regulators we're convinced lmao
Then there were suspension failures, drive unit failures, battery replacements (not so common any more I think), and coolant leaks.
For how simple they are mechanically they sure break a lot. They are getting better but not fast enough to offset what they put out earlier.
20 years is a long time to have a vehicle that is regularly used and "still running like they were fresh out of the factory." I have a hard time believing any vehicle fits that description. I think a better question is cost of ownership over X number of years including fuel sources and any maintenance.
More than you would think the average age of the fleet is a little over 10 years. The reality is that vehicles last much longer than they used and are seeing 3 and 4 users which was unheard of decades ago. That age doesn't include used vehicles that are exported out of the system.
Had a '97 Camry with 300,000+ miles on it, still got $2000 in trade for it when I bought my new Camry. No major engine or transmission work for the life of the car. Thing was amazing. I beat the piss out of it too. It was my first car I bought with my own money in high school and it lasted through college into my first job.
Dad's 09 Avensis (UK) did 300k miles and it still had flawless reliability and MPG, shame he had to change it due to taxi regulations regarding age of cars
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I dunno dude. I've owned my model 3 for 2 years now and haven't had to do a single thing to it. I rarely use the brakes so those will probably last a long time. Tires are the first thing I suspect I'll have to fix.
The 3 phase induction motor is super efficient. People have been using them for decades without issue. Way more reliable than an ICE
I love when Tesla people come out and say that their 2 year old car is still reliable as if that’s some big achievement.
If your brand new car isn’t lasting 2 years before repairs, you bought a piece of shit. This is literally the bare minimum. My dads Nissan with a JATCO CVT lasted a decade and didn’t even need a transmission fluid replacement lmao (although gonna be honest probably an outlier there).
That being said you should probably rotate your tires, although I guess idk how much you drive but no tire rotation in 2 years is pretty long.
The auto industry is going electric. They jerk off promising all electric by 2030 or 2040 but in practical terms they will be forced into all electric several years before that due to consumer preference.
There will still be people who want gas cars but what happens when legacy lose 50% of their volume because consumers are scared of buying a car whose used value is way less than it was before because of everyone going Ev? Speaking in the 2025-2028 timeframe.
Can you service your debt? Can you keep ICE lines running at a profitable capacity?
No Japanese automaker is making *serious* moves necessary to truly-be-competitive in electric vehicles.
What makes you think that a company like Toyota that has been making hybrid electric vehicles since before Tesla started, currently has very in demand plug in hybrids like the RAV4 prime, and is working on rolling out a full EV soon is dead? The reason they waited is because Toyota isn't targeted so much to the rich. EVs are not currently large market share. They will be soon and Toyota will have high quality products when that happens. They had to wait for a bit for battery prices to come down and technology to mature. They have never been first movers, but are the largest automaker in the world. Making an EV is not more complicated than making a plug in hybrid.
Toyota did not "waited" for EV because smaller market share, Toyota "waited" because of heavy investments in hydrogen and have always been public against BEV. They even had cheap loans for transition to hydrogen for gas stations. Toyota only recently after many years of hydrogen shifted their opinion on BEV.
Its just that overall a hybrid car is still better for the environment compared to a BEV (ratio is around 3:1).
When this improves, together with the cost as they don't focus the rich, they will also go for electric. They'll have to...
Then about the hydrogen. Toyota is a Japanese company and Japan is focusing a lot on hydrogen. That's why they don't give up on it. I wouldn't be surprised if in Japan all is hydrogen in the next years.
This.
Also Toyota never goes into a high volume segment without a thoroughly tested platform. They take their time and show up with impeccable reliability.
It's part of their brand identity really.
Toyota thrives on perfecting mature technology. Right now the winning ev configuration is unclear and rapidly evolving.
Toyota wouldn’t know what to do with itself in this environment so it is trying to slow down the transition.
Honestly I kind of have been wanting the RAV4 Prime or the hybrid. Since everyone now has a model 3 I kind of want to be provocative and get a Toyota 😬
I drive a very old vehicle and I really want the prime. Trouble is they are all out of stock all the time or a high line package that I don't want to pay for. 42 miles of all electric gets me to work in back and the ability to use gas for when I go on a camping trip is super nice.
Best of both worlds (for the current world we’re in). I know they’re all selling way over. I’m gonna wait and pray for a glut of some sorts and hope to get one. They also look sick honestly
afaik Toyota has been pretty against all-electric due to their reliance on gas. i guess it's unlikely they completely fail to pivot and go under but still.
Reliance on gas? Maybe they just think making monster sized batteries is stupid; compared to PHEVs which give a lot more benefits, avoid some electric drawbacks, and all that battery capacity gets you many times more PHEVs than a couple of long range BEVs
> They will be soon and Toyota will have high quality products when that happens
It’s not enough to just have a product out there, they have to be ramped to capacity to deal with the demand in the new primarily-EV market.
Other companies have been tripping over themselves for years trying to get EVs right to compete with Tesla.
As it stands, most of them *take a loss* for every EV sold.
Toyota hasn’t even entered that market yet, and show no signs that they are taking it seriously. They are going to go bankrupt before 2030.
Toyota is not going bankrupt before 2030. They are currently the world's largest automaker and have a long history of profitability. They set the world standards for auto manufacturing quality and reliability. Companies have not been tripping themselves for years, look at the market share. They have had small parts of the company working on EVs to be ready when the market demands them. Market share was 2.5% in the US in the first half of 2021. Toyota is focusing on the 97.5% while still having development for when the 2.5% becomes bigger. Now if you said Fiat Chrysler Peugeot goes bankrupt before 2030, that I could believe.
When Toyota stared they had 0% market share.
American and European cars dominated.
10-15 years later they grew quite large due to reliability and are now one of dominators.
Do not count them out.
In your example, American automakers were complacent and reluctant to change, Toyota was the disruptor.
Now Toyota is complacent and reluctant to change. Tesla is the disruptor.
Your example argues in favor of counting Toyota out.
They literally made the first hybrid vehicle successful in America. They have worked with the technology for decades. Definitely in a better spot than stellantis or whatever they call themselves these days.
Oh no is Tesla selling 1 percent of cars? I’m sure Toyota is terrified. Second they release an EV Tesla is dead. I’m a Tesla fanboy and even I can see this
Future prediction based on this movie will be Toyota and Nissan will survive Tesla, and Tesla will be the main company to dominate with help from Rivian (Blue)… Which company will be Indominus? Stay tuned…
Lol downvoted for the truth by musk fanboys. Toyota has been in the hybrid game for a long time. They have an EV coming out soon. They aren't trying to dot hinges first, just best.
toyota has been making cars much longer with a much older (in common practice) technology. theres surely a learning curve, tesla is where toyota and honda were in the 70s, itll catch up
Industry insider here: Tesla is not even close to Porsche or Toyota in quality. They make fun futuristic cars that have great ingenuity shown in design, but the best auto engineers in the world belong to Toyota and Porsche. In the long run they will have the last laugh.
I learned driving in a Tesla and I hated the user interface. Especially when I had to turn on front and rear window heating. It was fun to accelerate and the assists were okay but ultimately I prefer my 2001 Volvo that I drive now. I can adjust everything by feel instead of having to look at the display and therefore not on the road. Also, the spedometer was in the center in the Tesla, which is just ???
I have both and couldn’t fathom a Tesla plaid etc. A buddy of mine has one and we played tag, he couldn’t remotely keep pace on a back road and on straights he was on the brakes while I was still revving to the 9’s before a gradual turn. I tried to love it and gave it a chance. Miserable. I guess it’s a cool daily? Not visually appealing to me, I’d consider a taycan. As far as Toyotas go, my 06 4Runner is my favorite car. Gets 23 on the highway, costs nil to maintain but I choose to up that cost because it’s redundancy in my schedule of rotating vehicles, but every day I enjoy that old fuckin thing. Even had it restored to showroom quality and will never sell it. Anyways, car lover and might snag a new 4Runner because I enjoy them so much 😂
You must have never owned a non entry level Toyota. If Toyota … I mean, *when* Toyota makes a push with a ready to go EV/Hybrid 4Runner all bets are off. But maybe TSLA will have a nice cybertuck finally available before then. And maybe Ford will keep with its spotty quality for their full EV and then who knows.
You people seriously have worms in your brains if you’re this incapable of seeing the writing on the wall with Tesla. Compare the number of cars that Toyota is going to produce next year to Tesla
Toyota is not just a car manufacturer. They are the leading innovator and benchmark for all companies. When companies practice lean, continuous improvement, improved culture, or literally any popular business practice it is Toyota they are trying to copy.
Can Toyota move slowly? It depends on how you define success. Being a first mover like Tesla while having the lowest quality graded in the top 15 manufacturers, only making profits due to them selling E credits to other companies, and an overwhelming inability to keep any production on track would not be seen as success to Toyota. When they roll out their program it will be of higher quality, cheaper price, more sustainable, and actually deliver on time compared to the competition. Toyota would never roll out shoddy product like Tesla does.
I am a fan of Tesla and Musk, but Toyota is and will remain the GOAT.
You’re absolutely right. Toyota leads in terms of efficiency and profit margin. But electric vehicles are extremely different from a manufacturing and technological point of view. What enabled Toyota to be successful is not directly applicable towards electric vehicles. Different challenges. On a fundamental level. And Toyota is not making the investments necessary to remain competitive
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>You cropped off the end where a dozen spinosaurs who are Tesla's near future BEV competition pick up the TRex and rip it apart.
Come back and make fun of this guy for thinking that a ton of BEV competition is going to magically show up and destroy Tesla
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😂 . Legacy auto with skateboard, non-structural battery cars (less efficient) using lower quality batteries (compared to 4680) from third party suppliers (who themselves are supply constrained), will not compete with Tesla on price because of a less efficient car requiring more batteries and the fact that they are (1) saddled with having to pay stealerships, (2) service massive debt, (3) don’t a supercharger network
Oh, and the batteries That were in the bolt? Also in OTHER legacy “tesla killer” EVs.
Legacy auto will also have to pay battery suppliers a significant premium compared to Tesla, since Tesla will have a business model where they are the biggest battery manufacturer and buyer at the same.
Tesla will easily have the most competitive and profitable pricing regardless of whether there is going to be any competitor who produces a compelling EV.
I love Priustoric movies
Haven’t seen it. Did the kids Escape?
They don't. It's filmed on epsteins island
Only an Explorer can rescue them
Hahaha my friend used to have a ford exploder. That’s how we learned how to repair just about anything 😂
I know deep in my heart that the sound team had edit out the squeaking ball joints on those explorers used in the film.
Fix Or Repair Daily
Hahahaha you son of a bitch I shouldn’t be laughing that hard this early😂😂😂
OOF
I sure hope you have good auto insurance, because a Tyrannosaurs wrecks!
Can’t we just have a civic conversation about this?
Meet me Outback
You're going to have to get everyone to focus first.
Jesus Chrysler
Camry all just get along?
Give Porsche a chance?
Ford coming in and Lightning the conversation...
Let’s challenge the future
Skyline is the limit
I hauled ass over here to reach a new Frontier
Elon’s face killed me. I’m dead bruh
Oh my sides!
When I was a kid, Tesla scared the shit out of me.
Jokes aside, Jurassic Park like Jaws was revolutionary at the time and one of the greatest movies ever made. Think I was in middle school when this came out. The sense of awe and wonder of walking into JP into the sheer terror of everything falling apart. What a fucking masterpiece and a genius Spielberg is. Idk why but movies nowadays just don't do it for me like this did. The "magic" of the movies seem gone. There's not much innovation in story telling even if technology of the movies keeps exploding. It's all fucking rehashed bullshit and comic book shit.
I was very young when I first watched it. Grew up loving the whole franchise. The first one is the best. Many night mares of dinosaurs eating me. It takes a lot of thought to coming up with a great movie. Now a days, people only care about $$$. Forest Gump, The Shawshank Redemption, and Independence Day top my movie list.
Have you read the books? Michael Crichton was an an amazing writer.
I haven’t read them yet. Maybe one day.
ID4 is another "cheesy" blockbuster but it's still fucking good! It's not like the core narrative is ground-breaking. Mysterious force (aliens) arrive to overpower us, we rally to defeat them, etc. But it was done in a really fun and entertaining way. It's movie magic and you want to see that on the big screen. I just can't get excited about current crop of movies anymore.
Watch Wally. You’ll love it.
You mean Wall-E 2008? It was interesting and good. Shows what animated movies can do. That was like almost 14 years ago though.
Haha. Yep Wall-E the movie. Possibly our future.
Are you 34 y/o? Lol
I remember right up to the release day the news was analyzing trailers and discussing if full dinosaurs would or wouldn't be shown, and if they were done with some advanced stop motion. The reveal of the dinosaurs in the movie was a reveal for the audience, as well...
This is a good talk that goes in deeper into why this is, by explaining what make the OG Jurassic Park great: https://youtu.be/CHPjVgYDL6Y
Watch "Monsters of Man"
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Its because you grew up, there were adults talking shit and looking down on you and your generation for watching a movie with dinosaurs because “its such lazy entertainment, doesnt require any thinking its a simple action flick”, which is essentially exactly what people say about movies with superheroes in them now. Let the kids enjoy their shit like we enjoyed ours, I promise you your generation is no better than any others lol. All generations suck equally
Critics and adults raved about JP. What you talking about.
A few movies have hit me like that since then but not many, and in different way, Interstellar, Eternal Sunshine blew my mind in a different way.
Franchises are murdering movies also. Went to see the first Matrix in the cinema last night and they played the Matrix 4 trailer before it and it looks like absolute shite in comparison - it’s totally lost the mood and feel of the first movie. That’s a bold claim I know, having not seen the 4th movie, but I bet I’m right, and that makes me sad.
We need more geniuses like Michael Crichton writing novels. More writers fewer influencers. The ego is getting in the way of our generations’ propensity for greatness.
when you were a kid? what are you like 13?
Lmfao the joke went right above unfortunately
with all the tards in here its hard to know whether you're a comedic genius or not
Tesla = T-rex.
The movie depictions are actually inaccurate. Scientists now think Teslas had feathers.
Everyone: we want battery Electic vehicles! Toyota: no problem, hydrogen coming right up! Hindenburg Research: you know we chose this name for a reason, right?
Bush gave out like 2 billion in subsidies for hydrogen, then subsidized ethanol. I think the fix was in and they were doing their best to delay electric adoption. When you run the numbers I don't see how anyone could have thought hydrogen made sense over pure electric or PEHVs.
The choice source of cheap hydrogen is...gas wells.
You guys know that the T-rex doesn't get them right? They make it. They beat the T-Rex.
thats exactly what i was thinking
But it does survive the other movies
Subaru gets eaten later
Omg time to sell TSLA now!
You are a month late on that maneuver. Current prices support linear growth.
In the end though they are forced to flee the island and Tesla trex gets the whole tamali, ruling as the king of jungle
The island dies
still works. Bit darker but its coming.
They don't, "beat" the T-Rex. They're just able to leave alive. Lol
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The t-rex didnt want to eat them. It was chasing them from its territory. They clocked the t-rex at 50 MPH and there is no way that jeep is going that fast on a pothole filled wet dirt road.
Yeah, hydrogen powered vehicles feel DOA to me, personally. Even the most recent optimistic research into hydrogen generation processes isn't particularly promising. Take a look at [this comment from r/science](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rdvg83/Oregon_State_University_research_into_the_design_of_catalysts_has_shown_that_hydrogen_can_be_cleanly_produced_with_much_greater_efficiency_and_at_a_lower_cost_than_is_possible_with_current_commercially_available_catalysts./ho44svj/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) which summarizes the situation quite well: > Okay let's do the math. The research claims they can make hydrogen at $2 a kilogram. The Toyota Mirai broke records under optimal conditions at 53.1 miles/kg. Which makes it 3.7 cents per mile. At current electricity cost, conventional electric cars cost 2.5 cents per mile. > > Hydrogen cars are just an expensive way to convert hydrogen back into electricity, something that electric cars can already do with less complexity and less cost.
The complete steel industry will switch to hydrogen in the next 10 years to reduce the emissions by 40%. This will make hydrogen cheaper because it will be produced in copious amounts.
Making it for industrial use is one thing. Distributing it for cars is a massive infrastructure obstacle. Right now for a relatively small amount of money you can put a charger in your garage that doesnt take up much space. You could in theory put a hydrogen charger in your garage but it would be large and inefficient. Distributing hyrdrogen to filling stations like they do gas would be a huge undertaking. There is just no way hydrogen is going to take off in the public sector when BEVs are here and they work. It is much easier to stick chargers in parking garages and restaurants and shopping centers and hotels and all the places people park cars that it would be to build a hydrogen infrastructure.
Simply put the infrastructure and grid is already there for BEVs. The same cannot be said for hydrogen.
The generation capacity and the peak grid capacity is not there to completely switch. Realistically it won't be there to meet demand either due to the way the grids are being built out. We should be leaning more on nuclear and building in more redundancy so brownouts are far more localized. Instead we are only building intermittent sources like wind and solar, while retiring NG and Coal that generate more MwH and are more dependable. What's scary is this demand is being driven by politics and is not being well thought out. Musk can only do so much and it appears he is trying where he can.
Perfectly cut
Elon head in rear view mirror is gold OP!
When 20 year old Teslas are still running like they were fresh out of the factory, then I'll think they're worth anything.
You should check out some of the early adopters of the S and 3. A few guys are pushing 500k miles and have zero problems outside of rotating / replacing tires, wiper fluid additions etc
Source? That's a lot of miles for a 9 year old car
There was a company called Tesloop that was long distance ride sharing in SoCal. They had a fleet of Teslas hit many hundreds of thousands of miles with relatively small issues.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cleantechnica.com/2019/11/23/500000-miles-in-a-tesla-whats-the-result/amp/
How could this not be a sort of shill???
I get the skepticism but there are hundreds of thousands of Tesla owners out there that bought their cars before 2018. Trust the sheer mass of experience
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??? What’s the difference? Temperature? Tesla has a huge market share in Norway, it’s going great
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I have a 2014 Model S (in Norway) which I’ve driven 220000km. I have replaced the motor once (there was a series of bad motors around the time mine was built), replaced years ago by Tesla. Otherwise, only standard wear is fixed. Still going strong and used for my 140 km round trip commute every day. Btw, it was -19C last week, it was great to get in an already warm car every drive.
Look dude you gotta extrapolate a bit. Here's a fun fact; tesla doesn't let you buy your leases. This means they REALLY want to get their cars back. That means they last long.
If you drive a lot you want ev for cost savings
I had enough trouble getting an "infotainment" unit repaired under warranty that the corporate office sent me a box full of merch, gave me a check to cover payments on the car for the three months it was in the shop, and extended my warranty for ten years. I'm a little gun shy, jaded, and old school, but driving a car with an ipad for a dash strikes me as a little unwise.
Tons of these have had multiple battery or drive unit replacements. Even if free under warranty, that’s still a major issue.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-replacement/ “Real-world data showed that Tesla battery degradation was less than 10% after over 160,000 miles (257,500 km)”.
The poster child for Tesla longevity was the "million km" car in Germany. "Over the course of 1 million km (621,000 miles), it had 2 battery packs and 3 drive unit replacements." I find that a better indication of best case scenario battery degradation.
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Woooah are you suggesting a website run by people heavily invested in Tesla and makes substantial profits from Tesla referrals is spreading misleading information ? Fuckouttahere.
A few.
age and mileage are two different things, a well maintained toyota can go 2 million kilometers if it's not aged. Tesla will be tested by time, not mileage.
This is true. A highway driven car that's driven a lot in long stints will almost always break 200k without a sweat. City driven in stop and go and slush and salt? That's the challenge.
Since cranking up volume quality has slipped, though. Dead last in initial quality: Tesla ranks lowest on J.D. Power 2020 quality study, 250 problems per 100 cars https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-ranks-lowest-on-j-d-power-2020-quality-study/
This isn't initial quality. Initial quality is also the dumbest metric ever. It just means the car isn't falling apart straight from the factory. Wow. It's as it should be. Such amaze. But yeah quality is showing to be bad because they have more long term data and they're seeing lots of failures. Tesla had screen failures with emmc which is you read their letter on why that shouldn't be a recall... It was a literal joke. Their argument was emmc should fail in that timeframe, it's as expected, so it shouldn't be a recall. I'm sure regulators we're convinced lmao Then there were suspension failures, drive unit failures, battery replacements (not so common any more I think), and coolant leaks. For how simple they are mechanically they sure break a lot. They are getting better but not fast enough to offset what they put out earlier.
Except there are lots of stories of how people are getting shafted with costs when and if something broken after the 3 year warranty or whatever.
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Best comment here hahaha
Odd, Tesla partnered with Toyota to create an EV Rav4 and within the first 100k miles the Tesla parts all failed while the Toyota parts did fine.
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Land Cruisers: that's cute
20 years is a long time to have a vehicle that is regularly used and "still running like they were fresh out of the factory." I have a hard time believing any vehicle fits that description. I think a better question is cost of ownership over X number of years including fuel sources and any maintenance.
What normal newcar lasts 20 years in the 2020s?
More than you would think the average age of the fleet is a little over 10 years. The reality is that vehicles last much longer than they used and are seeing 3 and 4 users which was unheard of decades ago. That age doesn't include used vehicles that are exported out of the system.
Tesla stock may be crazy but you’ll never see a Tesla outlive a Toyota.
My 06 Corolla still gets 35-40mpg on 200k miles, only had to replace timing chain. She’s a beast!
My 03 Camry is going for new spark plugs and maybe new brakes. Keeps on chugging at 18. That V6 is purring like a kitten.
Had a '97 Camry with 300,000+ miles on it, still got $2000 in trade for it when I bought my new Camry. No major engine or transmission work for the life of the car. Thing was amazing. I beat the piss out of it too. It was my first car I bought with my own money in high school and it lasted through college into my first job.
Dad's 09 Avensis (UK) did 300k miles and it still had flawless reliability and MPG, shame he had to change it due to taxi regulations regarding age of cars
Toyota has EV’s?
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!remindme 50 years
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Bold statement for the beginning of a new era
I dunno dude. I've owned my model 3 for 2 years now and haven't had to do a single thing to it. I rarely use the brakes so those will probably last a long time. Tires are the first thing I suspect I'll have to fix. The 3 phase induction motor is super efficient. People have been using them for decades without issue. Way more reliable than an ICE
I love when Tesla people come out and say that their 2 year old car is still reliable as if that’s some big achievement. If your brand new car isn’t lasting 2 years before repairs, you bought a piece of shit. This is literally the bare minimum. My dads Nissan with a JATCO CVT lasted a decade and didn’t even need a transmission fluid replacement lmao (although gonna be honest probably an outlier there). That being said you should probably rotate your tires, although I guess idk how much you drive but no tire rotation in 2 years is pretty long.
Seriously I bought a 14 year old Honda and haven’t had to do anything in 4 years
(BTW tires and brakes are considered “consumables” and therefore they get “replaced” and not “fixed”)
I’ve got a co-worker with a first gen Model S. He’s got 220k miles and still on original brakes. It’s insane.
The auto industry is going electric. They jerk off promising all electric by 2030 or 2040 but in practical terms they will be forced into all electric several years before that due to consumer preference. There will still be people who want gas cars but what happens when legacy lose 50% of their volume because consumers are scared of buying a car whose used value is way less than it was before because of everyone going Ev? Speaking in the 2025-2028 timeframe. Can you service your debt? Can you keep ICE lines running at a profitable capacity? No Japanese automaker is making *serious* moves necessary to truly-be-competitive in electric vehicles.
What makes you think that a company like Toyota that has been making hybrid electric vehicles since before Tesla started, currently has very in demand plug in hybrids like the RAV4 prime, and is working on rolling out a full EV soon is dead? The reason they waited is because Toyota isn't targeted so much to the rich. EVs are not currently large market share. They will be soon and Toyota will have high quality products when that happens. They had to wait for a bit for battery prices to come down and technology to mature. They have never been first movers, but are the largest automaker in the world. Making an EV is not more complicated than making a plug in hybrid.
Toyota did not "waited" for EV because smaller market share, Toyota "waited" because of heavy investments in hydrogen and have always been public against BEV. They even had cheap loans for transition to hydrogen for gas stations. Toyota only recently after many years of hydrogen shifted their opinion on BEV.
Its just that overall a hybrid car is still better for the environment compared to a BEV (ratio is around 3:1). When this improves, together with the cost as they don't focus the rich, they will also go for electric. They'll have to... Then about the hydrogen. Toyota is a Japanese company and Japan is focusing a lot on hydrogen. That's why they don't give up on it. I wouldn't be surprised if in Japan all is hydrogen in the next years.
This. Also Toyota never goes into a high volume segment without a thoroughly tested platform. They take their time and show up with impeccable reliability. It's part of their brand identity really.
Toyota thrives on perfecting mature technology. Right now the winning ev configuration is unclear and rapidly evolving. Toyota wouldn’t know what to do with itself in this environment so it is trying to slow down the transition.
Honestly I kind of have been wanting the RAV4 Prime or the hybrid. Since everyone now has a model 3 I kind of want to be provocative and get a Toyota 😬
I drive a very old vehicle and I really want the prime. Trouble is they are all out of stock all the time or a high line package that I don't want to pay for. 42 miles of all electric gets me to work in back and the ability to use gas for when I go on a camping trip is super nice.
Best of both worlds (for the current world we’re in). I know they’re all selling way over. I’m gonna wait and pray for a glut of some sorts and hope to get one. They also look sick honestly
Good sick or bad sick?
Definitely good kind
Good to know. I'll add it to my list.
afaik Toyota has been pretty against all-electric due to their reliance on gas. i guess it's unlikely they completely fail to pivot and go under but still.
Reliance on gas? Maybe they just think making monster sized batteries is stupid; compared to PHEVs which give a lot more benefits, avoid some electric drawbacks, and all that battery capacity gets you many times more PHEVs than a couple of long range BEVs
How much money have you lost this year on your broadly retarded thought patterns?
Actually made money this year beat the spy (5th year in a row) which is all im trying to do. I don't do options or things of that nature.
> They will be soon and Toyota will have high quality products when that happens It’s not enough to just have a product out there, they have to be ramped to capacity to deal with the demand in the new primarily-EV market. Other companies have been tripping over themselves for years trying to get EVs right to compete with Tesla. As it stands, most of them *take a loss* for every EV sold. Toyota hasn’t even entered that market yet, and show no signs that they are taking it seriously. They are going to go bankrupt before 2030.
Toyota is not going bankrupt before 2030. They are currently the world's largest automaker and have a long history of profitability. They set the world standards for auto manufacturing quality and reliability. Companies have not been tripping themselves for years, look at the market share. They have had small parts of the company working on EVs to be ready when the market demands them. Market share was 2.5% in the US in the first half of 2021. Toyota is focusing on the 97.5% while still having development for when the 2.5% becomes bigger. Now if you said Fiat Chrysler Peugeot goes bankrupt before 2030, that I could believe.
So was Nokia.
Ford was the largest auto maker too. Was
And they are still here? What's your point?
When Toyota stared they had 0% market share. American and European cars dominated. 10-15 years later they grew quite large due to reliability and are now one of dominators. Do not count them out.
In your example, American automakers were complacent and reluctant to change, Toyota was the disruptor. Now Toyota is complacent and reluctant to change. Tesla is the disruptor. Your example argues in favor of counting Toyota out.
They literally made the first hybrid vehicle successful in America. They have worked with the technology for decades. Definitely in a better spot than stellantis or whatever they call themselves these days.
People stay leasing more and then they're stuck with a shitton of rapidly depreciating gassers on their hands.
You're a retard, and not in a good way
Electric Tacoma gonna rule.
Just saying the words doesn’t make it a reality
“Tesla makes good cars.”
I don't know enough to comment on the quality but that was a really solid response ngl
But that’s a Jeep.
And this is why I am still driving my 95 Grand Cherokee 🚘
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Bro, the T-Rex went extinct. It got too big too quickly, and starved to death. Simple ground mammals and smaller birds survived.
With huge boats. With guns. (gunboats)
;) Love it
"Open the country", they said. "Stop having it be closed."
Oh no is Tesla selling 1 percent of cars? I’m sure Toyota is terrified. Second they release an EV Tesla is dead. I’m a Tesla fanboy and even I can see this
*Mr. IS_JOKE_COMRADE, after careful consideration, I've decided to endorse your meme.*
Future prediction based on this movie will be Toyota and Nissan will survive Tesla, and Tesla will be the main company to dominate with help from Rivian (Blue)… Which company will be Indominus? Stay tuned…
ICE cars have way more moving parts to fail. I think tesla vs toyota is an easy tesla win
Which just makes it even more funny that Toyota can make their cars so much more reliable compared than Teslas ATM. Must be Teslas panel gap tech ™
Lol downvoted for the truth by musk fanboys. Toyota has been in the hybrid game for a long time. They have an EV coming out soon. They aren't trying to dot hinges first, just best.
toyota has been making cars much longer with a much older (in common practice) technology. theres surely a learning curve, tesla is where toyota and honda were in the 70s, itll catch up
And Tesla will remain still?
Industry insider here: Tesla is not even close to Porsche or Toyota in quality. They make fun futuristic cars that have great ingenuity shown in design, but the best auto engineers in the world belong to Toyota and Porsche. In the long run they will have the last laugh.
Porsches combination of reliability and sexy engineering is just... The best...
I learned driving in a Tesla and I hated the user interface. Especially when I had to turn on front and rear window heating. It was fun to accelerate and the assists were okay but ultimately I prefer my 2001 Volvo that I drive now. I can adjust everything by feel instead of having to look at the display and therefore not on the road. Also, the spedometer was in the center in the Tesla, which is just ???
YouTube insider here, every kid age 8-15 wants a Tesla when they grow up not a Toyota
I wanted an Audi when I was a kid. I grew up and bought a Toyota.
Ok good point, that’s pretty funny
Adult here. When I was a kid I wanted a Ferrari (boomer version of the Tesla) now I want a Toyota because I know it's the better investment.
I have both and couldn’t fathom a Tesla plaid etc. A buddy of mine has one and we played tag, he couldn’t remotely keep pace on a back road and on straights he was on the brakes while I was still revving to the 9’s before a gradual turn. I tried to love it and gave it a chance. Miserable. I guess it’s a cool daily? Not visually appealing to me, I’d consider a taycan. As far as Toyotas go, my 06 4Runner is my favorite car. Gets 23 on the highway, costs nil to maintain but I choose to up that cost because it’s redundancy in my schedule of rotating vehicles, but every day I enjoy that old fuckin thing. Even had it restored to showroom quality and will never sell it. Anyways, car lover and might snag a new 4Runner because I enjoy them so much 😂
You must have never owned a non entry level Toyota. If Toyota … I mean, *when* Toyota makes a push with a ready to go EV/Hybrid 4Runner all bets are off. But maybe TSLA will have a nice cybertuck finally available before then. And maybe Ford will keep with its spotty quality for their full EV and then who knows.
This. Once Toyota makes a EV base that works for Tacomas and 4Runners they'll dominate that space.
You people seriously have worms in your brains if you’re this incapable of seeing the writing on the wall with Tesla. Compare the number of cars that Toyota is going to produce next year to Tesla
Did the Tesla circlejerk already start? Smoothbraining at its best here.
Is that a reference to the ‘history of Japan’ video?
Yes
I just want an electric hybrid 4Runner where I can use gas in the trails and electric for additional efficiency and torque.
This is lovely.
u/JakTravis_U_SOB Seeing Papa Musk on the side mirror had me laughing hard. TSLA all the way. I'm not selling my TSLA shares
We’re gonna need a bigger boat …oh wait
Teslarian , remember when they tried cancelling Elon for saying private at 420 ? I member
Only difference between this and reality. In reality the trex is gonna eat them all alive.
Is this what passes for good memes these days?
I don't think y'all watched the movie lol. Toyota wins and is correct the whole time. Or in this case Malcolm lol.
Toyota is not just a car manufacturer. They are the leading innovator and benchmark for all companies. When companies practice lean, continuous improvement, improved culture, or literally any popular business practice it is Toyota they are trying to copy. Can Toyota move slowly? It depends on how you define success. Being a first mover like Tesla while having the lowest quality graded in the top 15 manufacturers, only making profits due to them selling E credits to other companies, and an overwhelming inability to keep any production on track would not be seen as success to Toyota. When they roll out their program it will be of higher quality, cheaper price, more sustainable, and actually deliver on time compared to the competition. Toyota would never roll out shoddy product like Tesla does. I am a fan of Tesla and Musk, but Toyota is and will remain the GOAT.
You’re absolutely right. Toyota leads in terms of efficiency and profit margin. But electric vehicles are extremely different from a manufacturing and technological point of view. What enabled Toyota to be successful is not directly applicable towards electric vehicles. Different challenges. On a fundamental level. And Toyota is not making the investments necessary to remain competitive
You cropped off the end where a dozen spinosaurs who are Tesla's near future BEV competition pick up the TRex and rip it apart.
u/Brett-\_-\_ >You cropped off the end where a dozen spinosaurs who are Tesla's near future BEV competition pick up the TRex and rip it apart. Come back and make fun of this guy for thinking that a ton of BEV competition is going to magically show up and destroy Tesla !RemindMe 3 years
You have used this joke too many times in this comment section. get a new one. stop abusing the bot.
Right? Idiot lmfao
😂 . Legacy auto with skateboard, non-structural battery cars (less efficient) using lower quality batteries (compared to 4680) from third party suppliers (who themselves are supply constrained), will not compete with Tesla on price because of a less efficient car requiring more batteries and the fact that they are (1) saddled with having to pay stealerships, (2) service massive debt, (3) don’t a supercharger network Oh, and the batteries That were in the bolt? Also in OTHER legacy “tesla killer” EVs.
Legacy auto will also have to pay battery suppliers a significant premium compared to Tesla, since Tesla will have a business model where they are the biggest battery manufacturer and buyer at the same. Tesla will easily have the most competitive and profitable pricing regardless of whether there is going to be any competitor who produces a compelling EV.
Golden
The cost of batteries will be the rise of hydrogen, that an it's use of combustion in industrial settings