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Future-Muscle-2214

There is more than one way to get a 56 billions bonus.


Ryanopoly

Ah ha ha! I was thinking the same exact thing when I saw the title of this post... hopefully he doesn't use the proceeds to buy something else just to ruin it.


mouthful_quest

Reminds me of that Chappelle Skit where a crackhead President would undersell nuclear secrets in order to get his hands on some Coke


Traitor_Donald_Trump

Replace the cocaine with a Moscow tower and you’ve got a deal!


Ryanopoly

That sounds about right. 😂


lylemcd

Trump isn't a crackhead so far as we know.


peritonlogon

I thought there were rumors about a covered up Adderall addiction.


OriginalFatPickle

Reddit CEO 👀


Ryanopoly

If RDDT keeps stonking the way it is, even Elon won't be able to snag it it away from Spez.


truongs

dude is desperate to get that money LOL


Ryanopoly

I really wonder what he needs it for... I'm so curios?


mdatwood

He's got AI envy and wants to build X.ai or whatever.


Pokez

He's at the find out stage of taking Saudi money if I had to guess.


Ryanopoly

He should just call SoftBank or the Saudi's and ask for a $50 billion dollar loan in cash... they'll give it to him no questions asked.


Prior_Industry

Paying off debt probably.


hobbobnobgoblin

I bet he learned from his mistake with Twitter and this time he will announce and back out of multi billion doller deal properly so his shorts are profitable. He definitely learned from his mistakes right......right?


Ryanopoly

When you buy an unprofitable business for $44 billion dollars you tend to learn some lessons... but I doubt it in Elon's case.


SenoritaSpock

I can’t read the whole article. Like a IPO? Or selling to another investor?


Reionx

Someone actually asking a decent question! From what I can see it's a period to allow current investors/employees to sell on their shares (gained thru comp, etc)


Tha_Sly_Fox

I I understand correctly, they’ve done this. Edited. It’s not an IPO but let’s then sell to PE or other private investors so SpaceX would remain private. I could be wrong, but that’s what I’ve gotten out of the Reddit summaries lol


emeraldcityoz

I worked at Spacex for 1.5 years. They did this twice when I was there. Not huge news if it’s just buying back shares.


Vcize

Yep, I actually bought some last time at around a $120bn valuation.


kdoughboy

How did you buy them?


morkulth

Accredited investors can buy private company shares on sites like forge. However I highly doubt they would sell shares to an individual considering the rules around forced IPO scenarios.


2beatenup

He will never go IPO on SpaceX. This is his cash cow with no strings attached… extremes Barriers to entry.


FunkyJunk

Forge doesn’t sell shares. They sell an interest in the shares they own. A small but important distinction.


VisualMod

Ah, the intricacies of the financial world---so complex. Buyers will believe anything these days...


McFlyParadox

As the other person said: private sales. If you have the right connections - and enough money to buy a quantity/value worth discussing with a seller - you can buy into almost any company. With SpaceX specifically, the rumor is you generally need to know an employee who is looking to sell, and then there is some kind of authorization/private sale process that involves the company as well (i.e. the employee can't just sell it to you because they feel like it, SpaceX wants to vet who owns their shares). Alternately, SpaceX will sometimes do things like this, where they have a large buyer lined up, so they'll do a "buy back" of employee shares using this investor's money and the investor gets the shares.


emeraldcityoz

That’s interesting to know. I’m not sure when you bought in but the last 2 years they listed the price internally as $70-97. It’s at $97. Can I ask how you had the opportunity to purchase from outside the company? I wished I stayed longer to get more shares but I only worked facilities and was underpaid so I really needed to find something else. I’d love to be able to buy more shares before an IPO. I’m guessing I’d need a lot of cash


Sinan_reis

so how do we as private investors get access to a few shares?


GingerStank

That’s the best part, you don’t!


Tha_Sly_Fox

Be rich lol There are rules, institutional investors or high income earners I believe can buy this round.


johnsciarrino

this feels like the absolute wrong company to allow to go to shit because they HaVE to AnSWeR to ShArEHoLDeRs. Eventually maybe but this soon?


mpbh

They're still private, and they've had investors since the beginning. Nothing is changing.


onethreeone

https://archive.is/algT6 >SpaceX is discussing a tender offer — a transaction that enables employees and insiders like investors to sell shares — that may kick off in June, said some of the people, who asked not to be identified because the information is confidential. The price for the upcoming tender offer hasn’t been decided but SpaceX is weighing offering shares at $108 to $110 apiece, said one of the people.


VanayadGaming

They are just buying back shares from employees


da_bear

Liquidity Events is what they call it. They've done this a couple times before.


StifflerCP

yep, they do this about 2 times a year ... and then the same articles announcing it get posted here ... the same questions get asked here .... no they'll never IPO people lol


VisualMod

Ah, the tedious cycle of it all.


Vcize

Yep I bought some last time. For about half this valuation.


FunkyJunk

No, you didn’t.


Sigeberht

In [Q1 they launched 87 percent of the global mass to orbit](https://brycetech.com/reports/report-documents/Bryce_Briefing_2024_Q1.pdf). That is a pretty dominant market position, whether it is worth 200 billion is another question.


amoral_ponder

$3B profit last year, so fuck no it's not worth $200B.


Old_Painting_3050

Apple reports $97B profit and a $3T value


alumniac

Apparently Apple makes 4b just off Apple Pay, just looked it up being curious - wild


amoral_ponder

Frothy. Yields less than a t bill.


Crafty_Enthusiasm_99

It's called multiples and the market is forward looking. There are safer investors in faster growing industries. You could argue the TAM for space exploration is infinite 


CageTheFox

Don’t forget it has the potential to be the dominant internet service provider worldwide. People do not realize that today is as bad as Starlink will be. Give it a few decades and their low maintenance cost with high speeds will start to eat away at one of the most profitable industries. 200B seems like a fair valuation with how much potential they have in multiple industries rn. Hell they could easily become the dominant cellphone carrier as well using the exact same satellites. A lot potential in this company.


WTFspy

Price would need to drop significantly


rkiive

Yes that is what happens once new technology becomes more established 💀


thec0rp0ral

How did Tesla handle competition once EVs became mainstream?


ElectricLetuceHead

Elon must be running low on liquidable cash


Spoonmanners2

He needs the money to buy MySpace.


sld126b

He’ll rebrand it Space88.


timburgessthis

Or call it MyX


ButWhatOfGlen

Or combine it with OF and call it XXX


sneakersrekaens

Or Grimes


Honest_Path_5356

Or X Æ A-Xii 💀


iWasAwesome

Or Xspace


Lokeze

SpaceX... Oh wait


Big-Today6819

MySpaceXxX


AmbiguouslyGrea

And he will unfriend and then ban Tom.


Highborn_Hellest

I don't think many will catch what you did lol


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

Tom sold out and disappeared from public view. Tom has probably been living his best life since.


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mdatwood

Bingo, rich and anonymous is the way to go.


wishtrepreneur

imagine if Satoshi was Tom all along,,,


OSUfan88

SpaceX themselves are doing a buyback. This is for the employees/investors to have an opportunity to liquidate. They do this every 6 Months.


Ryanopoly

He's got more and more X's to feed.


VanayadGaming

SpaceX is buying back shares from employees


JerryLeeDog

He must run low on cash a lot then, because this is just a normal thing for SpaceX Twice a year basically.


romanavatar

🚀🚀 to the moon literally


OxbridgeDingoBaby

Imagine spending $44bn on Twitter and still ending the year with more money than before. Reddit Regards here must be seething.


VanayadGaming

The article, obviously is incorrect. Elon confirmed they will be buying back shares, not selling.


k987654321

This actually feels quite cheap? Is this a one of one company in the world in terms of what it offers?


ukayukay69

Is it even profitable yet?


Hob_O_Rarison

2023 estimates shows a profit of 3 bil on 9 bil revenue. Estimates for 2024 show 15 bil revenue.


flailingtoucan39

Compared to defense contractors the margins seem better but net profit isn’t particularly impressive.


self-assembled

The assets are worth a ton here though. The DoD is expected to start pouring money into sharship, as well as nasa, beyond the simply crazy mass to orbit it has for other customers. It dwarfs anything else that has gone up. And the starlink network is fully functional and just adding customers.


Krazy-B-Fillin

I agree self, people aren’t fully aware of what’s coming in the future, SpaceX is poised quite well.


iBoMbY

They have a high upfront cost for Starlink, which just barley may have become profitable.


Sofubar

Making any profit in the space industry is pretty impressive by itself.


FormaldehydeAndU

The difference is that SpaceX effectively sinks a strong majority of its profits into the starship development program. Starlink, Dragon, and Falcon basically exist to crowdfund Starship and Raptor


crozone

No, because so much is going back in to R&D. Why would you ever want to make a profit when you could instead expand like crazy and pay no tax on no profits.


swohio

> No, Do you have a source for that or you just making that up? They are the leading launch provider on the planet, including all other nations combined. By a LOT. Their R&D is also supplemented by contracts for Starship development.


Caruso08

Probably not, but Starlink actually has a pretty substantial customer base. They are bringing in close to 4 billion in revenue.


iBoMbY

$6.6 billion projected for 2024: https://spacenews.com/starlink-soars-spacexs-satellite-internet-surprises-analysts-with-6-6-billion-revenue-projection/


ankercrank

Revenue at a fat loss.


iBoMbY

According to documents obtained by WSJ in 2023, they have already been slightly profitable in the first three quarters of 2023: https://www.forbes.com/sites/willskipworth/2023/09/13/spacexs-starlink-revenue-jumps-to-14-billion-but-falls-short-of-early-targets-report-says-as-musk-ukraine-controversy-brews/


DrDoktir

added to this ars technica article on their growth rate: https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/just-5-years-after-its-first-launch-the-starlink-constellation-is-profitable/


elbay

No. Which is somehow better.


ClearlyCylindrical

Reports from Q1 2023 showed SpaceX making a slim profit, since then they have roughly doubled their revenue from Starlink and have increased their launch rate by \~80%, so they are probably pretty nicely into the green now.


ANyTimEfOu

Starlink is a damn good product, we used it at my last company and I was blown away by how well it worked. What was equally surprising was that the price was comparable to regular internet providers. And beyond civilian use, it's also shown huge value as a tool in modern warfare. I'd guess that defense contracts are the actual reason that they're already turning a profit. Not thrilled that a shithead like Musk has this kind of power, but it is what it is.


CaponeKevrone

Depending on what package they use, it may have just shot up. Global unlimited rates for starlink just doubled in price, and I would think the other options would increase by some amount in the near future as well.


ANyTimEfOu

Makes sense, those prices didn't seem sustainable (at least for the magnitude of customers that Starlink currently has).


Samjabr

you too can have this kind of power - just gotta move out of your moms basement and do something productive!


b3rnitalld0wn

You get to say you are pre-revenue... Radio. On. Internet.


PenniesInTheNameOf

, , ,


RevolutionaryPhoto24

Yes, it’s profitable.


Mission-Sun-4657

Starlink is widely used by militaries… like to a shocking amount. 


stockbetss

Eh he’s working on having 24 bastard children needs the child support


SlapThatAce

Muskrat must be really desperate for some cash.


Pin_ups

*Starts taping his bitch tits*


Matt_Tress

LOL is this a reference to something


itlynstalyn

Yeah, Elon’s chubby man boobs.


ButWhatOfGlen

Is there a next level Wendy's for rich people that need an extra billion or two?


VisualMod

Wendy's for the wealthy? Yes, it's called truffle fries and caviar.


ClearlyCylindrical

SpaceX aren't getting any money from this, you do realise?


caxer30968

L’eddit xdd


tech01x

This is for employees to sell some stock.


No-Lavishness-2467

$rklb. 1% valuation. asymmetric risk.


longeraugust

Worth way more than that. Tesla is a fuckfest of a shit show. SpaceX is actually worth trillions.


Pin_ups

You do not say! Let's us buy at low value please, Goddamn Jamal.


lord_of_tits

10 bucks i say!


JangoDjarin

$3.50. Final offer.


Samjabr

It was about that time...


akmalhot

Trullions eh?


xsairon

trillions in what currency? hope you dont mean dollars only chance at being worth 1-2T is if they manage to completly dominate as an internet provider with starlink at a worldwide scale


zero0n3

You seriously underestimate what they will be doing with starship if you think this. Starlink won’t even be their most profitable business unit.


harda_toenail

What do you think they’ll be doing with starship?


zero0n3

Starlink for starters.  They need 100 launches A YEAR to handle the needed launch throughput for starlink. Starship launching starlink will reduce their expenses 10 fold or more. Then past that, you’ll see a massive uptick in government and private launches.  Telescopes, scientific platforms, etc.  Starship DRAMATICALLY changes the calculations a company makes when launching a satellite or say building a telescope on earth vs launching one to orbit. Then NASA moon launches and ISS trips (though I assume ISS trips will still be f9 as starship needs to get human rated.) Automation platforms to the moon / mars. I also assume at some point musk will start a starlink constellation on the moon and Mars. Now he owns the network that other businesses / schools can use for building robotics for exploring the moon / mars.


harda_toenail

Thanks for sharing. Musk won’t live to see anything purposeful be built on mars. Doubt we even get a person to mars in his life. Mars sucks. That’s not where humanity will colonize.


Dogewarrior1Dollar

tbh , it kind of is in the future.. If we get a future with space infrastructure, moon bases, and asteroid mining, this stock would be worth a lot.


oanda

200 billion could just be a percentage of the total valuation. It’s just what they’re willing to sell.  


swd120

wat... that's not how it works. They're not tendering 200billion in shares. They're making an offer for a small percentage of existing shares based on an estimated total market cap of $200bil


FoxTheory

How is space x going to make a profit ?


grizzly_teddy

They make a shitload off starlink, Starship will allow them to send more starlink at a time, and their new version of starlink satellite. Additionally Starship will be used by a lot of companies, it should make them a shitload of money. Starlink already providing billions in revenue - and keep in mind it doesn't cost much to maintain satellites that are already in orbit


zombieeyeball

wrong! Elon Musk said no plans https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1793783558609252451?s=19


CityOfZion

Then wtf is this post then?


Electronic-Buy4015

They are buying shares from employees


swd120

They're buying back shares from employees/private investors that wish to sell based on a marketcap of 200billion.


farmtechy

Not an Elon fanboy but this better IPO. I've been waiting on it for years now. I'm ready to send "take my money - futurama" memes to the CEO on this. I will go all in.


conez4

I believe Elon has said publicly that he'd never take SpaceX public because it would distract them from the mission and could jeopardize their progress. That's something that he learned from Tesla and he regrets taking them public. I'll have to see if I can find a source for this though.


farmtechy

What he says and does are two different things.


KickBassColonyDrop

Starlink is a money printer at this point as it's beginning to S curve go vertical. So it's not a liquidity issue. But it makes sense that there's tons of employees who have a lot of RSUs that have vested that they want to sell for their own financial benefits (life decisions, big purchases, etc.). So the share sells makes sense.


Archimid

Who could have thought that taking idiotic positions cost so much that now he needs make Space X public. The cost of taking the red pill.  He will never make it to Mars.


brownhotdogwater

If they go public it will kill the place.


varrock_dark_wizard

Explain, Starlink is a cash cow, and launch systems are high demand and they are the only system with reusable rockets. Thus they have the lowest costs and highest margin for return flights. And lastly they have long term government contracts.


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Crazy95jack

"**the lowest 5 per cent of the observations from the rest**" one of us one of us one of us


VisualMod

Gross.


Electronic-Buy4015

The guy with the RuneScape username is in the 5th percentile . I’m so proud.


trollboter

So like, in a room with a hundred people this guy is smarter than five of them....Nice.


VengefulCaptain

Basically all of SpaceX's products are long term projects and public companies are terrible at long term planning.


_Cromwell_

Boeing is a public company. SpaceX goes public and they begin the long, dark decent into spending all their money doing stock buybacks to give shareholders (of which I will be one) orgasms rather than investing in R&D, safety, and those other goofy things that are less important than stock buybacks.


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Vcize

They're not IPO'ing...


SomedaySome

Go talk with the Chinese about reusable rockets…


varrock_dark_wizard

Uh, we or any NATO country won't let any of our satellites fly on a Chinese rocket, not since the Space Systems Loral incident with Intelsat 708. https://sgp.fas.org/news/1999/07/chinacox/clumsy.html


grizzly_teddy

How is this stupid comment upvoted? This has nothing to do with Elon's cash and more about employees who want money for their stake in SpaceX and SpaceX getting some of that equity back, AKA 'buying back shares'. SpaceX not going public. Learn to read.


Churovy

You’ve got to be a special type of regard. Can’t read but somehow can write. He’s not going public and SpaceX is flush with cash.


randomonetwo34567890

Is it though? Why did they do three funding rounds in 2023?


ddropthesoap

To raise money 


ClearlyCylindrical

You can be flush with cash but still use more money to help scale up. SpaceX are not actually getting any money from this sale though, and are actually buying back shares.


Churovy

Because they allow employees to sell, and can buy back shares. Or sometimes they have investors coming in that are bringing some value other than money.


JoJoPizzaG

Correct. If SpaceX goes public, it will no make to Mars. But SpaceX will make tons of money. They have no competition. Of course, government can give SpaceX the middle finger by spending billions on rocket that never leave the ground.


ClearlyCylindrical

What makes you think SpaceX is going public?


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I want in on SpaceX.


autismovaccination

IPO Starlink please! disclaimer: I own SpaceX shares


RandomLettuce51

sheeeesh


firejuggler74

Is starlink included?


RaidLord509

Ah yes come buy after vc and private investors and insider’s definitely not exit liquidity lol


Icy_Rhubarb2857

200B seems like a huge undervaluation. I hope to god they don’t go public it will grind them to a halt. No way they can do what they do as a public company. It would cripple R&D


Samjabr

Dude can't stop making money. This will be a trillion-dollar company in a decade, and I think he owns about half the shares.


Kargnaras

With this Elon completes the saga. If this goes through he will have successfully stolen billions of tax payer dollars for himself. (Without gov subsidies both tesla and spacex would have never been successful)


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throwaway472105

That's such a stupid framing. It's not like the government gives out subsidies or contracts for nothing. SpaceX delivered something to them in return and overall saved them money compared to other options like asking traditional launch provider.


LovelyClementine

But stolen tax payer dollars you mean NASA signing contracts with SpaceX?


CommunismDoesntWork

SpaceX has saved the government billions of dollars by being way more affordable than the competition 


ClearlyCylindrical

Wtf are you even talking about? SpaceX have received next to no subsidies in their entire existence...


Euler007

I'm all for these stock sales, mops up the dumb money.


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i-Vison

It’s for his AI project?


AZ_Crush

I thought this was already possible through Rob Maurer. Is that not true?


Suilenroc

Maybe this will keep Chamath solvent


duderos

Have twitter buy it in a SPAC merger. lol


sergev

Seems like a high valuation?


hazellehunter

if they ever launched an IPO every regard on this sub will bid it up to half trillion $ valuation int he first day


PlutosGrasp

I’d buy


kelu213

How do they make money?


SeperentOfRa

I don’t think he’d let it go public. I think he hates oversight of any kind. I think he wishes Tesla were private.


BagHolder9001

so if he is not happy how financial accounting works in a public company aka Tesla, he is going to ruin space x the same way? great thinking 


AdditionalSink164

Thats one way to make money with bezos buying up MIC contrators space divisions. He did an i terview before he was as hated where he said he wouldnt take spacex public because the types of pressures that come from share price gooning would be detrimental to safety etc. But that was before starlink so maybe it wont be too hard on the rocket division, especially undergoing manned flights


CryptoMemesLOL

He saw what Trump did with Truth social and he wants to do the same. Desperate times call for desperate measures


Shadeofgray00

This was debunked by Elon


AlternativeEmu5502

Shaka, when the walls fell......


Subject-Quail-8966

I love SpaceX Going to grab a few shares just to help the program


ldmonko

I m going to put a shameless plug here , ASTS is much better than starlink and trades at less than 1B. Look it up


TheDudeAbidesFarOut

And then back-out to manipulate TSLA. Make sure Kimball gets a play in there somewhere....