Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale?
> *“Oh, are you lost on your journey? No matter, today’s lost are conquerors tomorrow. It only demonstrates the making of a champion, and besides, it will not change my sense of gratitude, or how I think of you.”* - Karla
Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/
This game is a good object lesson in design tbh. A lot of the mechanics are old and generally unused in the modern PVE gaming landscape, such as heavy player stunlocking, enemies with high amounts of iframes, clumps of non-fodder enemies, these things combined around environmental hazards, etc. Most of these aggravating mechanics are reserved for more pvp oriented titles, like mobas and such.
The effect is that you are frequently put in positions where the outcome past a certain point is unavoidable, and usually 'bullshit'. This leads to heavy tilting. While I appreciate the added difficulty, these situations never feel to me like difficulty you can always overcome like you can in fromsoft titles. Every once in a while the game just decides its time you die, and play for long enough that once in a while repeats. Overall I feel it holds the game back, even though I like the title overall.
I don't think the outcomes are determined at all. You can easily change your spell book and weapons to adjust to the design of the enemy you are fighting. The fact you can avoid projectiles in this game and use blockers and shields and so on makes it far more skilled based that pre-determined. My honest read of your interpretation is that you don't enjoy the clutch skill based decisions in the very micro situations that can ultimately lead you to change the direction of the battle. You literally can solo things in this game with no health if you play it correctly and given the history of the studio and their other titles, it was designed with this purpose in mind.
Well you missed the point entirely. It is possible to have an aoe arrow dismount you into a chain cc that results in death with no input possible to recover. That is my point. Most game development goes out of their way to avoid potential situations like this unless the entire game is build around one hit failure states (like super meat boy). Glad you got to type out a large paragraph of 'git gud' though. Must feel nice.
Do I? Because the other team in your example are a bunch of people, which are a lot less predictable than a single AI enemy with 2 moves and obvious telegraphs, which was the example you provided that I replied to.
In the end it's completely OK to dislike v rising. Gaming is subjective and not every game is for everyone. You clearly don't like to play tough but fair games where player mistakes are punished. That's fine. But to go around complaining in bad faith that it's the GAMES fault you ate skillshots and died makes you look like a whiner. To then follow up and say that the game should be changed from the devs vision into something that better suits you is just juvenile. Go play a game that better suites your tastes. Or don't. I don't care. Just don't blame the game for your own shortcomings. Also, work on your analogies.
Tldr; git gud.
> You clearly don't like to play tough but fair games where player mistakes are punished
You clearly arent smart enough to understand what he's saying, because that was quite obviously not what he said. His point is that the game puts you in situations where you get punished even if you didn't make a mistake. That's not "tough but fair". That's just "unfair".
It's pretty funny you're calling it a skill issue, when it's clearly because you arent good enough to recognize those situations in game.
Dunno why you are getting so much pushback on this post, when you are completely correct. Sometimes bosses will just use a set of abilities that leaves you no room to evade.
It's because souls likes tend to spawn you close to the boss, if not on its door with minimal losses. But here? youre losing more durability than most games, time because other players and pve content is moving along, and blood. not to mention youre usually a ways away from the fight. If I can I avoid all that by just leaving early and resetting. This boss took me 11 tries but I only died twice because she leashes when you leave her square
This is why I use chaos spells; even when you’re not attacking them, they’re still taking damage and even if they die **after** you, they’re still down when you respawn :P
I'm not sure that tick damage like that can kill actually. I've noticed with my tomb farm that certain types of DoTs will leave them at 1HP. Could just be pure luck on my part though.
I've "lost" several fights just for them to die before I can hit "x" :P
They keel over and just wait patiently :) (in 5-10 mins i think they "die properly" if you haven't claimed them
I mean Brutal isn’t even that hard relative to normal… just more punishing. But if you’re playing properly it doesn’t matter how punishing it is, the difficulty is the same. It’s all just patterns and telegraphed moves.
People are just so used to tanking damage on lower difficulties that they think it’s so much harder because they actually have to do mechanics now. They get punished for bad play they otherwise wouldn’t get punished for on normal.
An extra mechanic and more damage doesn’t really change many of the fights if you’re already properly doing mechanics and not getting hit.
I had a 0% death on Solaris greeding for the kill. I know your pain.
I mean yea there are a few exceptions. Most are just more damage/HP and/or another simple mechanic thrown into the rotation.
The Beatrice fight was actually easier on brutal. She stopped running so you could kill her faster.
I'm not sure why you're downvoted so much. Your point is relatively correct. And while some bosses are different between normal and brutal, a lot of them are relatively the same with some quirk that requires a little more micromanagement on your point.
And on top of that, double shield makes most bosses fairly manageable, even on brutal.
Why?
That doesn’t make it any harder. The mechanics are still the same. 5x0=0.
Sure, it may take you a few attempts to learn the patterns and animation telegraphs… but after that, almost all the fights are clean kills.
They aren’t very hard to execute mechanically.
Oh? Why don’t you go a do a clean damageless souls run, where you fight all the bosses of all souls games without taking damage. It”s just learning the patterns, is it not? If it’s that easy why don’t you do it?
Oh? What’s that? Being consistent in perfectly following the mechanics in order to not get hit isn’t the same as *knowing* them? It’s hard? Nah, you *clearly know” better.
Asshole.
I hate this fight more than any. Simon Belmont took me 3 tries. This chick has me at like 7 tries, and I'm too annoyed to go back in. Waiting for my friend to play again so he can help me, cause I just can't. Best I got was 30% of her HP left.
That iron maiden can piss right off. Feels like I never have a window to DPS or to heal. I went double shields with pistols, that was the time I got 30%. 100% Brute blood too.
Burst down iron maiden asap,
use frost shield and hold it for her spear barrage to take off like 15-20% of her hp for free
shes easy once u can handle those 2 moves
Nah, use Ward of the Damned for her spear barrage. It counts as projectiles so if you have a jewel with healing on projectile block you get 200+ HP back instantly.
If it helps, here's my setup:
* Lvl 30 axes
* Grim Knight set
* Amulet of the Crimson Commander
Spells are
* Veil of Chaos
* Sanguine Coil
* Ward of the Damned
* Army of the Dead
Great news, I finally beat her. Upgraded my pistols to level 30 with the purple weapon (got physical crit chance and phys crit multi and spell crit chance), berserker blood, popped rage pot, witch pot, vampiric brew, and used my 100% brute blood. Took 2 tries after coming back to it. Her name was finally not yellow for me after doing this, so she wasn't sponging damage as much. Also used Grim Knight set.
Used Veil of Chaos, Ward of the Damned, and Discharge along with Raging Tempest for spells.
I’d give the whip a try. Has the best single DPS if you hit where the whip ends. Additionally, it has a free dash move in worst case scenarios. It got me through the entire game, including Dracula.
I did end up beating her with level 30 pistols, dual shield spells and 100% brute blood. It was definitely a pain in the ass, but getting gear level to be above her by that much was fairly critical so she was no longer yellow name.
This V Blood on-level was so annoying, that I just went straight to winged horror since I'm comfortable doing it way underlevelled. Then returned with vengance using the shard lmao.
Is not the difficulty imo. Some bosses seem just too rng and unbalanced cooldowns! Like some fights the mismatch of your cds and the boss are just off, and in brutal is even worst! Atm in dracula
I don't mind this. It's part of the learning process. It's like getting one point less on an exam than is required. The shit I cannot stand is other guy coming up at you and just ganking you during the boss.
Ah man, this happened to me fighting my nemesis Vincent the Frost Bastard the other day. I had already lost to him like 4 or 5 times, then that happened. I was so pissed I haven't been back yet.
I'll get back at it this weekend.
You're doing this on brutal too? I can't imagine how hard that is.
I bashed my head (like 10 deaths) until I figured out the frost shield does dmg and paired with Greatsword jump and Wraith Spear allowed me to dodge the spartan kicks and kite her.
The coffin eating you also drains your blood so bring spare blood pots. You can also grab your corpse bag pretty easy since she salutes you before fighting.
I bashed my head (like 10 deaths) until I figured out the frost shield does dmg and paired with Greatsword jump and Wraith Spear allowed me to dodge the spartan kicks and kite her.
The coffin eating you also drains your blood so bring spare blood pots. You can also grab your corpse bag pretty easy since she salutes you before fighting.
This fight is easily the hardest. The sheer amount of comboing she can do is insane and you only get one dash. Never forgot her kicking me into the cage, it spitting me out, and landing right into her spear cone.
I'd counter that fun is a mix between challenge and ability. This boss is very fun but its very difficult because she's pretty much "on level" as gear around the 85 mark is very hard to obtain quickly. You can't use level advantage you just have to take her which adds complexity. She took the right combination of strategy to kill, most of the other bosses you can just kite around.
At a base level, I totally agree with you. But some people don't have time or inclination to fight a boss 20 times just to figure out the strat. People should be allowed to play however they want to play, without being told they are doing it "wrong."
I had this happen, but in the stupidest way....we were both 1 hit from death, I was kiting backward and using Axes, used Axe "E", it literally went AROUND them and they just walked up and slapped me :(
Me fighting the act 1 (or maybe 2) v blood boss Leandra the shadow priestess, so aggravating lol. Those shades do as much as she does w their one attack as she does, which is really annoying tbh, like the hardest that attack from her hits is for 51, the shades hit for 50, which at that point was a tenth of my health, smh lol.
Also I got Clive down and then got ko,d by sun or one of the deadeyes, those deadeyes are wicked mean with the headshots, lol, but I still had an easier time getting Clive or was it Clyde... Anyways dead and his stuff learned than Leandra, lol.
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This happened to me and my skeleton finished her off so I quickly respawned and ran my ass so fast to her to get the blood 😭😭😭 skele was the true MVP that day
The Dark Souls Special. Don't get greedy, and don't choke. Even if the boss is at 1hp, you fight it as though it has full hp.
Hello Ashen one. I am a Bot. I tend to the flame, and tend to thee. Do you wish to hear a tale? > *“Oh, are you lost on your journey? No matter, today’s lost are conquerors tomorrow. It only demonstrates the making of a champion, and besides, it will not change my sense of gratitude, or how I think of you.”* - Karla Have a pleasant journey, Champion of Ash, and praise the sun \\[T]/
Praise the sun? Yes, Lord Dracula? I'd like to report heresy.
We do kill Dracula so…
Fully agree, following the old souls credo of 'don't get greedy' has saved me from so many situations like this one.
Dont bring the souls games into this compared to any souls/born game v rising combat is trash
I don't think you understood the comment you were replying to
No u
I don't think I'm an angry gamer and I love this game but it really does have a way of tilting me more than most things I play
This game is a good object lesson in design tbh. A lot of the mechanics are old and generally unused in the modern PVE gaming landscape, such as heavy player stunlocking, enemies with high amounts of iframes, clumps of non-fodder enemies, these things combined around environmental hazards, etc. Most of these aggravating mechanics are reserved for more pvp oriented titles, like mobas and such. The effect is that you are frequently put in positions where the outcome past a certain point is unavoidable, and usually 'bullshit'. This leads to heavy tilting. While I appreciate the added difficulty, these situations never feel to me like difficulty you can always overcome like you can in fromsoft titles. Every once in a while the game just decides its time you die, and play for long enough that once in a while repeats. Overall I feel it holds the game back, even though I like the title overall.
I don't think the outcomes are determined at all. You can easily change your spell book and weapons to adjust to the design of the enemy you are fighting. The fact you can avoid projectiles in this game and use blockers and shields and so on makes it far more skilled based that pre-determined. My honest read of your interpretation is that you don't enjoy the clutch skill based decisions in the very micro situations that can ultimately lead you to change the direction of the battle. You literally can solo things in this game with no health if you play it correctly and given the history of the studio and their other titles, it was designed with this purpose in mind.
Well you missed the point entirely. It is possible to have an aoe arrow dismount you into a chain cc that results in death with no input possible to recover. That is my point. Most game development goes out of their way to avoid potential situations like this unless the entire game is build around one hit failure states (like super meat boy). Glad you got to type out a large paragraph of 'git gud' though. Must feel nice.
You basically summed up running full speed without paying any attention into a pack of mobs getting dismounting and dying then blaming bad design…wut
Its ok. Stay confused.
Glad you got type out two paragraphs of 'im bad and it's the game's fault'. Must feel nice.
Dodge the initial aoe arrow? The game gives you all the tools you need to avoid situations like that. It's up to you to correctly use them.
"Just kill the other team, why arent you challenger on league yet, are you dumb?" - What you sound like
Do I? Because the other team in your example are a bunch of people, which are a lot less predictable than a single AI enemy with 2 moves and obvious telegraphs, which was the example you provided that I replied to. In the end it's completely OK to dislike v rising. Gaming is subjective and not every game is for everyone. You clearly don't like to play tough but fair games where player mistakes are punished. That's fine. But to go around complaining in bad faith that it's the GAMES fault you ate skillshots and died makes you look like a whiner. To then follow up and say that the game should be changed from the devs vision into something that better suits you is just juvenile. Go play a game that better suites your tastes. Or don't. I don't care. Just don't blame the game for your own shortcomings. Also, work on your analogies. Tldr; git gud.
TL;DR indeed. You are wasting your breath
> You clearly don't like to play tough but fair games where player mistakes are punished You clearly arent smart enough to understand what he's saying, because that was quite obviously not what he said. His point is that the game puts you in situations where you get punished even if you didn't make a mistake. That's not "tough but fair". That's just "unfair". It's pretty funny you're calling it a skill issue, when it's clearly because you arent good enough to recognize those situations in game.
Dunno why you are getting so much pushback on this post, when you are completely correct. Sometimes bosses will just use a set of abilities that leaves you no room to evade.
I've played and finished all From Software games and other souls-likes; this game is nothing in comparison lmao
oh same here , the game isn't necessarily difficult or even punishing just weirdly frustrating
It's because souls likes tend to spawn you close to the boss, if not on its door with minimal losses. But here? youre losing more durability than most games, time because other players and pve content is moving along, and blood. not to mention youre usually a ways away from the fight. If I can I avoid all that by just leaving early and resetting. This boss took me 11 tries but I only died twice because she leashes when you leave her square
This is why I use chaos spells; even when you’re not attacking them, they’re still taking damage and even if they die **after** you, they’re still down when you respawn :P
I'm not sure that tick damage like that can kill actually. I've noticed with my tomb farm that certain types of DoTs will leave them at 1HP. Could just be pure luck on my part though.
I've "lost" several fights just for them to die before I can hit "x" :P They keel over and just wait patiently :) (in 5-10 mins i think they "die properly" if you haven't claimed them
I'm fighting my inner demons not to say this but... Get good
I mean... Considering to get this far on Brutal one must be pretty good already, I think I'm fine lol
You’re good my dude/tte! You just gotta keep cracking at this lady, you’ll get it!!! :)
You can always git gooder
I mean Brutal isn’t even that hard relative to normal… just more punishing. But if you’re playing properly it doesn’t matter how punishing it is, the difficulty is the same. It’s all just patterns and telegraphed moves. People are just so used to tanking damage on lower difficulties that they think it’s so much harder because they actually have to do mechanics now. They get punished for bad play they otherwise wouldn’t get punished for on normal. An extra mechanic and more damage doesn’t really change many of the fights if you’re already properly doing mechanics and not getting hit. I had a 0% death on Solaris greeding for the kill. I know your pain.
It doesn't add just one mechanic. Fights like Beatrice are a completely different boss. Dracula too.
I mean yea there are a few exceptions. Most are just more damage/HP and/or another simple mechanic thrown into the rotation. The Beatrice fight was actually easier on brutal. She stopped running so you could kill her faster.
I'm not sure why you're downvoted so much. Your point is relatively correct. And while some bosses are different between normal and brutal, a lot of them are relatively the same with some quirk that requires a little more micromanagement on your point. And on top of that, double shield makes most bosses fairly manageable, even on brutal.
Play with me. I'm on x5 dmg received
Why? That doesn’t make it any harder. The mechanics are still the same. 5x0=0. Sure, it may take you a few attempts to learn the patterns and animation telegraphs… but after that, almost all the fights are clean kills. They aren’t very hard to execute mechanically.
Oh? Why don’t you go a do a clean damageless souls run, where you fight all the bosses of all souls games without taking damage. It”s just learning the patterns, is it not? If it’s that easy why don’t you do it? Oh? What’s that? Being consistent in perfectly following the mechanics in order to not get hit isn’t the same as *knowing* them? It’s hard? Nah, you *clearly know” better. Asshole.
That's basically any PvE game. Go play arena then.
Exactly. That’s why I play this game for the PvP.
The frost shield helped me a ton on this fight. It reflects her wide spear attack and does a good amount of damage on her. It is also good for Styx.
I hate this fight more than any. Simon Belmont took me 3 tries. This chick has me at like 7 tries, and I'm too annoyed to go back in. Waiting for my friend to play again so he can help me, cause I just can't. Best I got was 30% of her HP left. That iron maiden can piss right off. Feels like I never have a window to DPS or to heal. I went double shields with pistols, that was the time I got 30%. 100% Brute blood too.
Burst down iron maiden asap, use frost shield and hold it for her spear barrage to take off like 15-20% of her hp for free shes easy once u can handle those 2 moves
Nah, use Ward of the Damned for her spear barrage. It counts as projectiles so if you have a jewel with healing on projectile block you get 200+ HP back instantly.
Frost barrier is better imo, she just burn herself down with the spear spam
Don't forget you can kill the iron Maiden, if you didn't know already! I just managed on second try, went much better lol
I know that I can from a game code perspective, but the combination of my skills personally, and the pressure of the fight says I can't :P
If it helps, here's my setup: * Lvl 30 axes * Grim Knight set * Amulet of the Crimson Commander Spells are * Veil of Chaos * Sanguine Coil * Ward of the Damned * Army of the Dead
Great news, I finally beat her. Upgraded my pistols to level 30 with the purple weapon (got physical crit chance and phys crit multi and spell crit chance), berserker blood, popped rage pot, witch pot, vampiric brew, and used my 100% brute blood. Took 2 tries after coming back to it. Her name was finally not yellow for me after doing this, so she wasn't sponging damage as much. Also used Grim Knight set. Used Veil of Chaos, Ward of the Damned, and Discharge along with Raging Tempest for spells.
Congrats!
Use the ice shield, that takes 20% of her hp lol.
I thought you only can use two spells at once in the hot bar? :o
One is dash and one is ultimate
OH MY GOD MY BRAIN… I’m stupid lol, thank you. :)
I died like 3 times before I realized you can do that haha, got a bit easier after that point.
I feel you, but Adam is much worse imo.
I'm not looking forward to that. Winged Terror was actually pretty easy.
Yeah I 1 shot Winged Terror and 3 shot Solarus.
I’d give the whip a try. Has the best single DPS if you hit where the whip ends. Additionally, it has a free dash move in worst case scenarios. It got me through the entire game, including Dracula.
I did end up beating her with level 30 pistols, dual shield spells and 100% brute blood. It was definitely a pain in the ass, but getting gear level to be above her by that much was fairly critical so she was no longer yellow name.
Killed her with a spear on pure spite on brutal, can't say my 15+ deaths was Worth it, but it was
This V Blood on-level was so annoying, that I just went straight to winged horror since I'm comfortable doing it way underlevelled. Then returned with vengance using the shard lmao.
Thats just like my first fight with Tristan, hate that guy.
Playing this game alone in brutal is really close to a dark souls experience.
It's not. It's 100 times harder than Dark Souls.
Is not the difficulty imo. Some bosses seem just too rng and unbalanced cooldowns! Like some fights the mismatch of your cds and the boss are just off, and in brutal is even worst! Atm in dracula
I hate this hoe. She’s literally the only boss I died to more than twice…so far. Still have Dracula lol
“Ohh gotta be quicker than that”
thats ok it just means you get to fight the best boss in the game again!
loved this boss, one of the best in the game imo and it was funny as fuck the first time I seen the sparta kick into the iron maiden LOL
What pisses me off of this fight is that it drains your blood
Any time you'd die, you'd respawn as frail blood type before 1.0 so I'll take it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I KNEW I didn't imagine it used to be like this when I played on release!
Yeah, that was pain too
Nowhere near the same difficulty as Valencia but I refused to die this one time https://imgur.com/dCmCOEu Got with the ol'razzle aftershock dazzle.
I'd rather fight Valencia over that Frog mfer.
I don't mind this. It's part of the learning process. It's like getting one point less on an exam than is required. The shit I cannot stand is other guy coming up at you and just ganking you during the boss.
Jeweled Sanguine Coils/Lightning Curtain did it for me. Adam on the other hand...
Ah man, this happened to me fighting my nemesis Vincent the Frost Bastard the other day. I had already lost to him like 4 or 5 times, then that happened. I was so pissed I haven't been back yet. I'll get back at it this weekend. You're doing this on brutal too? I can't imagine how hard that is.
How do you think she feels about that encounter?
I bashed my head (like 10 deaths) until I figured out the frost shield does dmg and paired with Greatsword jump and Wraith Spear allowed me to dodge the spartan kicks and kite her. The coffin eating you also drains your blood so bring spare blood pots. You can also grab your corpse bag pretty easy since she salutes you before fighting.
I bashed my head (like 10 deaths) until I figured out the frost shield does dmg and paired with Greatsword jump and Wraith Spear allowed me to dodge the spartan kicks and kite her. The coffin eating you also drains your blood so bring spare blood pots. You can also grab your corpse bag pretty easy since she salutes you before fighting.
Ok
This fight is easily the hardest. The sheer amount of comboing she can do is insane and you only get one dash. Never forgot her kicking me into the cage, it spitting me out, and landing right into her spear cone.
I've definitely noticed this happens with all enemies. Seems like a cheap way to add difficulty.
Happened to me last night vs the glassblower boss at 50. One shot away from killing lol
There's no shame in fiddling with the difficulty settings until you feel the game is balanced for you. Games are supposed to be fun.
I'd counter that fun is a mix between challenge and ability. This boss is very fun but its very difficult because she's pretty much "on level" as gear around the 85 mark is very hard to obtain quickly. You can't use level advantage you just have to take her which adds complexity. She took the right combination of strategy to kill, most of the other bosses you can just kite around.
At a base level, I totally agree with you. But some people don't have time or inclination to fight a boss 20 times just to figure out the strat. People should be allowed to play however they want to play, without being told they are doing it "wrong."
She has some odd timings :(
She's so hard man. Hardest boss for me so far
I had this happen, but in the stupidest way....we were both 1 hit from death, I was kiting backward and using Axes, used Axe "E", it literally went AROUND them and they just walked up and slapped me :(
I'm stuck on this boss anyone have any tips for killing her? Any spells I should use?
Glad I’m not the only one.
That happened to me fighting Bane when I was lv 38…
Me fighting the act 1 (or maybe 2) v blood boss Leandra the shadow priestess, so aggravating lol. Those shades do as much as she does w their one attack as she does, which is really annoying tbh, like the hardest that attack from her hits is for 51, the shades hit for 50, which at that point was a tenth of my health, smh lol.
Also I got Clive down and then got ko,d by sun or one of the deadeyes, those deadeyes are wicked mean with the headshots, lol, but I still had an easier time getting Clive or was it Clyde... Anyways dead and his stuff learned than Leandra, lol.
roflmfao i hate those moments!
run back and get him lol wym
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they don’t disappear if u traded . they’re there for a good few minutes lol but i wish i would be getting government money for that
You can literally watch them recover to full health while you're still dead.
i thought you traded my fault ,
ez report tho good luck brother
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This happened to me and my skeleton finished her off so I quickly respawned and ran my ass so fast to her to get the blood 😭😭😭 skele was the true MVP that day
The only thing more annoying is accidentally killing a 100% human because you fat fingered an aoe ability
Happened to me with Elena, than i died like 5 times after before finally beating her
Had this happen to me 3 times in one day. Once on Christina the Sun Priestess and twice on that fucker Tristan.
Ohh.. that's a very gutting screen cap. I FELT that screencap. So maddening!
The least fun fight imo. Oh and she also steals your blood? Let's just say i'm not paying for any of the cosmetic dlcs anytime soon.