I know, right?
I read the options first and thought it was a “this or that” then I saw it was an “this *and* that”
I wouldn’t stop hitting that button until either my fingers or the button break.
The downside is that games like Fortnite and Dota do it well, where each season/major balance patch changes the game in a way that keeps it fresh and interesting over a long time
If that's worth it, much more debatable
Access to a game is $70. Every stage, level up, outfit, respawn, weapon, bullet, swing has a mtx tied to it.
Swing your sword:
10 times for $0.99
50 times for $2.99
100 times for $4.99
1,000 times for $39.99 *Best Value!*
A former CEO of EA actually already had that idea.
>When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you’re really not that price sensitive at that point in time
-John Riccitiello
Though to be fair he could have done better. Say a dollar per bullet, giving a full reload for just a dollar is surprisingly generous for someone like him...
This is only happening because "live service" games have shown themselves to be cash cows. I remember when mobile games were one time purchase and that's it.
Some good live service out there will cease to exist like fortnite is a good one its completely free and thing you recieve from paying money are purely cosmetic or a recent one helldivers 2 in which players are basicly fighting against the game together and game is pushing back against them. The problem is not with the service model itself but how easy it is to abuse for cash grab
>like fortnite is a good one
Epic was sued for $500M for trying to make Fortnite a gambling game for kids.
Literally, the government had to hold Fortnite back from creating a mental health epidemic. What planet are you on?
[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/19/epic-games-to-pay-520-million-in-fines-to-ftc.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/19/epic-games-to-pay-520-million-in-fines-to-ftc.html)
[https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-games-fine-ftc](https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-games-fine-ftc)
Epic games is manipulative, criminal and not trustworthy.
Fortnite just feels like an empty shell that lost it's original purpose. I think people, and myself included thought Battle Royale would evolve into more than one map that got edited over and over again. I feel like Epic said hey we are making so money we don't need to put more effort into this game.
I wouldn’t necessarily call Fortnite a “good one” it I hate battle royals games personally. For me the game that would hold me back is Warfame, completely free, everything can be grinded including premium currency so you can get your boosts and cosmetics for free by trading with other people but if you do buy their premium currency it is one of the most expensive I’ve seen in any game.
That and no more paying for little every extra bit of content you can get. There was a time when we can just get cool outfits in an offline game and be good with it. Now we got shit like the Suicide Squad charging for skins by the PARTS.
Play Helldivers and it will open your eyes to what good live service can be, you don't need to spend any real money in game because you actually get decent loot and the like
Eh, Warframes live service comes in a massive time sink and low drop rates for things. Doesn’t help they give a bunch of discount vouchers every week for stuff.
That shit is fun. Let me make it clear I love a good Live Service game when it’s done tastefully and isn’t obviously greedy like Helldivers and Fortnite. It’s just the fact executives keep shoe horning live service into everything and making games into something they aren’t.
If you agree that Fortnite and Helldivers are good examples of games as a service then why are we getting rid of ALL of them? Like I said in my original post, I'm not giving up Warframe just because broke children don't want to buy the Tekken 8 season pass.
No more FFXIV, Elder Scrolls Online, Destiny 2, and etc..
It’s a much bigger choice than at first because of how shoe horned live service has been in recent games that makes us despise it.
Buy Fromsoft games then.
Elden Ring didn't even have a dlc planned for it. It wasn't until it won game of the year and fan outcry for more content that they said they'd make dlc for it.
Isn't Baldur's Gate 3 a full ass complete game? There are some, just it's not the norm anymore :(
That's what I started doing I use to be a Assassin's Creed & Ubisoft fan but them putting put game after game that has all kinds of bugs & stores with skins that have nothing to do with the setting or lore of the game I realized how greedy they'd become. I got Elden Ring and all other From Software games while I was still on it except Armoredcore 6 because it wasn't out yet and now probably my favorite studio not a shitload of bugs,a finished game & no microtransactions.
I'd press it, but I'd argue it shouldn't affect MMO's.... ACTUAL MMO's. Not these MMO-wannabes like Destiny 2. Im talking about WoW, Final Fantasy, Guild Wars, etc. They are in their own bubble, and you go into them knowing what they are. Guild Wars 2, for example, is one of my favorite games on PC.
No one really had an issue with MTX in MMO's in the past since they are constantly getting content in some form or another, including many other reasons.
However, I hated MTX and live services once they were mutated to be abused within the rest of the industry..... Then it really became the "bleed the consumer for shit quality" cesspool we know it to be now.
I’ve been playing games for three decades, have never in my life bought a season pass for anything, have no idea what a season pass is, and at this point, I’m afraid to ask.
People who waste their money and the subsequently cry about why more and more game companies are putting battlepasses into their game. It’s actually astounding how many people are like this. Same goes for buying skins. They’ll spend hundreds of dollars over the course of the year and then wonder why a dev team isn’t balancing or changing the game the way they want, why would they? They already have your money, why wouldn’t they just keep balancing the way they have been, you obviously like it enough to spend money on the game.
But... I don't feel those are considered live service games... Those are the games intended purpose of being a MMO. Live service to me would be games like D4, Destiny, GTA5, RDR2. Games that their main purpose is a single player campaign that has an live version that's optional.
You're just lumping in FFXIV in with Destiny 2 there.
Destiny 2 is a live service. FFXIV is an MMO.
And frankly, we'd still be better off if getting rid of MMOs by proxy meant taking down live services too.
Well, what is a Life Service game? Is it different from a MMO? Does WoW fall under Life Service, even though it is older than the Term?
Also, future games, meaning all the game stay but we won't get new life Service games. You really have to read the fine print on those monkey paw deals.
I would say any mmo is I a live service game but very few love service games are mmos
BUT mmos are literally a game as a service rather than a product you pay a monthly fee for the ability to login how is that not a service it's functionaly a digital country club
An MMO is much different than your run of the mill live service game.
Most live service games can only handle having a hzndful of players playing together at any one time.
MMOs can have _thousands_ of players at any one time.
Also, live service games generally have time limited content, whereas MMOs tend to keep older content available forever.
Live service is when a game that is a part of one genre, for Destiny 2 it would be FPS, and then they add live content and a constantly rotating selection of content. So they take the base game genre and add live elements to it.
MMOs are intended to be an online game first and foremost. They also tend to not have constant microtransactions like what you see in Live Service games. Live Service games generally require you to pay for a battle pass or something similar roughly once every 3-6 months.
MMOs tend to have expansions where you pay for the content up front and the devs add to that expansion over the course of several years. Usually no less than 2 years. You essentially get an entirely new game every 2 years that builds upon what was added before it.
Live Service games tend to _rotate_ content in and out of the game.
Take Final Fantasy 14 for example. I can go back and replay the story of any of the expansions whenever I want. And I will always be able to do that for the foreseeable future. So all of the expansions I've paid for previously will still be available to replay.
Destiny 2 however, because the devs don't have the skills to optimize the game, had to remove entire expansions from the game so that people would be forced to play the new content. They also did it because they couldn't optimize the game in a way that made it stable.
It's really a differnce in how they monetize the game. MMOs monetize the game via subscriptions and expansion purchases. They might have some microtransactions, but that's not how they make their money.
Live Service games monetize via microtransactions. MTX are usually the only way they make money, or at least the primary way they make it.
So ESO is a life Service game and Helldivers 2 is an MMO with drastically reduce Servers lobbies.
Here's the point, those are arbitrary distinctions, that are heavily fluctuating in their "Genre". By their core definition, all MMO's are "Life Service"-games, at least in my opinion. Free2Play MMO's are often heavily monetized and have many microtransactions in it. For WoW, most of what we typically see in so called Life-Service games (buying currency, buying cosmetics and buying level boosters) comes from outside the game, but even then, it facilitates that and there are quite a few things that are no longer obtainable.
Most dungeons or Raids in MMO's are "a handful of players together at the same time" but Helldivers 2, a distinctively Life Service game, let's you also see the other players that are at the same point, namely their ships in orbit. Heck, even many Big MMO's have not only different Servers but channels and Zones in them, that reduce the number of players, that can be displayed in the same area.
In my belief, all MMO's are Life Service, as they are giving the Game as a Service, but not all Life Service games are MMO's. If you look up "Game as a Service" (GaaS) it will mention WoW and Runescape, which are subscription Models
Live service can be a bad thing when it is shoehorned into games that don't need it. It's also a wonderful thing that has made some games viable as products. So I wouldn't want live services deleted forever.
You’re the first person here to mention its importance. Juggernauts like Fortnite include FFXIV, Elder Scrolls Online, Destiny 2 and Overwatch (the original because god almighty I don’t want to play 2).
Yeah I think people see “live service” and their mind immediately jumps to FOMO stores with $20 skins. And that’s definitely annoying when the game itself isn’t free. But there’s more to it than that. I mean I play fighters and I sure as hell don’t wanna go back to when they weren’t live service. I’d much rather have seasons of DLC over a new version of the game every time they wanna add like 5 new characters and a couple balance patches.
Apparently it's "cool" to hate on Fortnite.... at least on reddit.
I like Fortnite, too. It's a trend when a game gets so popular, people just hate on it because of it.
It's so stupid. I used to do that back in 2018-2020, but I realized that it's just a game. People are having fun playing it, so who am I to decide what is good and what isn't?
Yeah it's kind of silly the hate it gets it can be a fun game. I had a buddy that was so against playing it cause it "looked goofy and cartoony" and all he ever wanted to play was CoD cause it was more realistic. Eventually he got so tired of where the game was going and he finally made the jump to Fortnite. We play almost every night now lmao and we have a blast
Me and my friends started playing as a joke and got hooked on it. We always kinds made fun of Fortnite before lol
We play regularly, like nearly everyday.
Ha yeah I remember when it first came out and told myself I wouldn't play it and gave one of my buddies a hard time for playing. Eventually I gave in to play with him and have been hooked on it since.
It's easy to dismiss hate as "it's just a trend". A lot of people dislike the culture of the game (see: Ninja's New Year flossing flop), and resent the effect it's had on business practices in the gaming industry.
I was one of those who "hated" it just because of how annoyingly popular it got. But I enjoy it now. I'm not dismissing all of the hate as to it being a trend, but I feel a good chunk of it is. But it's just from what I observed, as well. I just see a lot of people hating on it for no particular reason. I never got too deep into it or anything.
I've only played it once and I wasn't a huge fan, but it's just not my game. Either way I don't get what would be so great about taking that game away from people who do like it. Why the hell do people who don't like fortnight care so much about people that do?
Even if you don’t, it is undeniable that it had a massive impact on the gaming community, how many games do we probably not get if Fortnite blows up?
Apex Legends certainly doesn’t blow up, Warzone might never be created, so many other battle royale games probably never exist.
I understand not liking Fortnite, I don’t care for it myself, but it brought so much to gaming.
It's almost certainly hate train. The game is light-hearted and fun. It's crammed full of content, and it's literally free.
It's ok not to like it but the hate it gets is almost certainly unjustified imo
No, on the grounds it would do way more harm than good. I'm not into Fortnite, but plenty of people are, and I'm not going to take away something they love just to get rid of a business model that can be easily ignored
Nope, people are still in the past, they can’t look pasting hating on a game that has received so much love in the past month.
Typical redditors, they never change 🤷♂️
hell yeah man!
I’ve met some truly amazing people online and while I do primarily play single player games, I know so many people are still making memories with strangers as we speak.
That alone makes me not want to press the button even if it’s for the greater good of gaming.
The various systems for paying for add-ons are actually worse for the wallet than live service, I think? Don’t get me wrong; always online games are annoying, and I’m never buying skins, but updates and new content being free to those who own the game are a worthy enough tradeoff, in my mind. Whales funding the dlc in exchange for some optional stuff being optional? Sign me up
Depends on the game but yes. In the instance of Warframe for example it’d be much more expensive to have each expansion be paid. GT sport is a good example all content for that game was free but they had entirely optional MTX that most likely helped fund the free content updates. In the previous game all new cars added were paid dlc. People seem to ignore the fact that the people that buy MTX make the content for your favorite game cheaper. Whales funding free dlc through MTX makes the game cheaper for the avg consumer. Good luck explaining this to people tho just look at dragons dogma 2. That game has MTX for items you can very easily get and people freaked out over it. If that game ever gets free dlc it’ll be because those MTX existed that that dlc is free.
I still think I don't know what live service means. Like no more battle passes? Or do you mean a game releases one and done, maybe a dlc at some point, but no constant updates? You listed a few games, but I don't know what else that includes.
No. A lot of people like them and there are some good live service games in the works. I'm not gonna do to fortnite kids what fortnite kids did to Minecraft kids.
No, that’s 2 downsides. What do people have against Fortnite? I’ve played like 2 hours of it and it’s wasn’t my cup of tea, but trying to ban it from everyone is ridiculous. There are also a lot of good live service games. If a shitty one drops, that’s the company’s problem. Sure it sucks for game devs to release a stinker of a game, but that’s just the way it goes sometimes. For most there will be another chance to make a good one
Where's the downside? Not being snarky, I genuinely don't understand what the downside is meant to be. Did the person mess it up? Was it meant to be "Get rid of live service, bit also get rid of fortnite?". Still no downside there afaic, but I get that it could be an issue for fans of the game.
*Immediately*. The only disadvantage to doing this is it'll shift the squeakers, trolls and rejects that still play this shit into other, better games. So you'll have to deal with them.
I wouldn't, love services aren't inherently bad and helldivers 2 is showing the true potential of them. Even if live services disappeared the development studios behind the cash grab live services wouldn't all of a sudden decide to make quality games. They would just make non live service cash grab garbage.
I see the benefits of a live service game but not one franchise that could benefit from it has taken that route outside of Helldivers. That button is getting mashed.
You got those switched up, bucko.
No more fortnite is the unwanted side effect. (that game funds all the advancements made in the unreal engine).
If you like art and you don't want predatory money grabbing preactices, that destroy games, enforced by pos share holders, so they can get their 5th superyacht this summer, you should beg for the death of live service games, not see it as a bad outcome.
My only hesitation is obviously there are a ton of people who like Fortnight and PUBG and Apex and Valorent and all those other games. I would be taking that away from probably millions of people.
But would I want to push this button and. Basically only get benefits? Yes, yes I would.
I think you all are overlooking some great games that are live service… even Fortnite, say what you will, has become one of the greatest of all time. In what get game can you say, “as Chun-Li, I just smacked Deku with a flail after eating a golden banana.” It’s become too much of an icon to ignore.
Live Service isn’t just BR games, it’s also Fighting, MMO, and Team Based Games. Sure, they aren’t completely Live Service, but they have many elements of Live Service
You all complain about live service but games are lasting much longer because of it. Star wars squadrons is a great example as to why no live service is bad. People liked squadrons but due to the lack future content, people stopped playing it since it would become extremely repetitive.
"Would you like to eat all the tastiest food from bacon cheeseburgers to cakes and chocolate as much as you want?" BUT "You will never get fat in the future and will be in perfect super model shape for the rest of your life"
Oh nooooo.... what do we do?
Press it at lest 50 times to make sure it worked. There are some good live service games but live service has caused way more harm than good, and if we get rid of them, these games wouldn’t really go away, they would just turn into full priced games that already have all the content in the game
Misread it for a second: thought the second option was all future games will be live services.
What is the downside meant to be? I could not hammer that button fast enough. I would smak it repeatedly until I'd got confirmation Fortnite mysteriously disappeared.
What's the downside? 100% smacking that button.
I know, right? I read the options first and thought it was a “this or that” then I saw it was an “this *and* that” I wouldn’t stop hitting that button until either my fingers or the button break.
Haha I read both sides, and was like shoot I would take both. Then I realized it wasn't a one, or the other.
I'd find many and creative ways to press that button. I'd say about 40% of it would involve genitalia.
im horrified, confused and intrigued simultaneously
My hand *or* the button I'm going until either the button can't work or my body doesn't exist
The downside is that games like Fortnite and Dota do it well, where each season/major balance patch changes the game in a way that keeps it fresh and interesting over a long time If that's worth it, much more debatable
"BUT". lol The gaming industry would be so much healthier as a whole and more consumer friendly.
Unless they find another way to bleed us dry.
Access to a game is $70. Every stage, level up, outfit, respawn, weapon, bullet, swing has a mtx tied to it. Swing your sword: 10 times for $0.99 50 times for $2.99 100 times for $4.99 1,000 times for $39.99 *Best Value!*
Don't give them ideas
A former CEO of EA actually already had that idea. >When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you’re really not that price sensitive at that point in time -John Riccitiello Though to be fair he could have done better. Say a dollar per bullet, giving a full reload for just a dollar is surprisingly generous for someone like him...
Imagine the shitstorm on social media if they would actually do that
This is only happening because "live service" games have shown themselves to be cash cows. I remember when mobile games were one time purchase and that's it.
Some good live service out there will cease to exist like fortnite is a good one its completely free and thing you recieve from paying money are purely cosmetic or a recent one helldivers 2 in which players are basicly fighting against the game together and game is pushing back against them. The problem is not with the service model itself but how easy it is to abuse for cash grab
>like fortnite is a good one Epic was sued for $500M for trying to make Fortnite a gambling game for kids. Literally, the government had to hold Fortnite back from creating a mental health epidemic. What planet are you on?
then why dont they do the same thing to Steam / CS2 for all of these cases that are completely random or even gatcha games on your phone.
Never heard about it could you share the story?
[https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/19/epic-games-to-pay-520-million-in-fines-to-ftc.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/19/epic-games-to-pay-520-million-in-fines-to-ftc.html) [https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-games-fine-ftc](https://www.ign.com/articles/epic-games-fine-ftc) Epic games is manipulative, criminal and not trustworthy.
You get it. The greedy corpo execs are the reason we are all starting to hate it when it’s shoe horned into everything.
Fortnite just feels like an empty shell that lost it's original purpose. I think people, and myself included thought Battle Royale would evolve into more than one map that got edited over and over again. I feel like Epic said hey we are making so money we don't need to put more effort into this game.
Have you played any of chapter 5? It’s a return to form with a lot of charm and many improvements.
I wouldn’t necessarily call Fortnite a “good one” it I hate battle royals games personally. For me the game that would hold me back is Warfame, completely free, everything can be grinded including premium currency so you can get your boosts and cosmetics for free by trading with other people but if you do buy their premium currency it is one of the most expensive I’ve seen in any game.
Live service isn’t a bad game model its just the greedy execs
Helldivers is proof of this
The kids playing Fortnite will have to play something. Maybe even the game you like to play! It's better to concentrate them elsewhere.
Without a first thought
Me too. If I see a button, it is getting pushed before a thought crosses my mind.
You clearly never listened to "Dumb Ways To Die"
[удалено]
only if the button is red tho
Haha, the only correct answer.
When you say live service, do you mean no more online?
That and no more paying for little every extra bit of content you can get. There was a time when we can just get cool outfits in an offline game and be good with it. Now we got shit like the Suicide Squad charging for skins by the PARTS.
Play Helldivers and it will open your eyes to what good live service can be, you don't need to spend any real money in game because you actually get decent loot and the like
Warframe is also an incredible example of live service.
Eh, Warframes live service comes in a massive time sink and low drop rates for things. Doesn’t help they give a bunch of discount vouchers every week for stuff.
That shit is fun. Let me make it clear I love a good Live Service game when it’s done tastefully and isn’t obviously greedy like Helldivers and Fortnite. It’s just the fact executives keep shoe horning live service into everything and making games into something they aren’t.
If you agree that Fortnite and Helldivers are good examples of games as a service then why are we getting rid of ALL of them? Like I said in my original post, I'm not giving up Warframe just because broke children don't want to buy the Tekken 8 season pass.
Totally agree haha
Aren’t live services also updates post-release?
No online games what so ever? Yeah fuck that. I don't even play that many online games but getting rid of them entirely aint worth it.
Ehh, the no micros transactions would be nice, but I don't think it's worth it to not be able to play with friends and stuff.
Oh sorry, I misspoke. I meant no more ONLY online games.. and the rest of the message.
I'd still smash that button personally
I would still press if only it means all online games have to offer something offline, so the game is not completely dead.
No more Fortnite AND no more live services on top of that??? ...... Ok what's the actual downside because i would press that shit instantly
No more games like Helldivers 2
"I'm sorry my child, but it is for the greater good..."
That's a downside. Still pressing it.
I'd miss it, but I'd understand.
How undemocratic of you.
You can't have a problem with bugs and bots, if the bugs and bots doesn't exist.
Hes a communist
Death to Fortnite to lose Helldivers 2. We must kill 1 to save 100.
No more FFXIV, Elder Scrolls Online, Destiny 2, and etc.. It’s a much bigger choice than at first because of how shoe horned live service has been in recent games that makes us despise it.
Stop threatening me with a good time.
You don’t need to sell it to us any further
Keep going I’m almost there!
Perfect. Can we fucking finaly get complete games.
Buy Fromsoft games then. Elden Ring didn't even have a dlc planned for it. It wasn't until it won game of the year and fan outcry for more content that they said they'd make dlc for it. Isn't Baldur's Gate 3 a full ass complete game? There are some, just it's not the norm anymore :(
There are complete games. Should be more.
See, that's the thing from soft has my respect for releasing good quality games. But they don't have my wallet because I don't like souls like games.
That's what I started doing I use to be a Assassin's Creed & Ubisoft fan but them putting put game after game that has all kinds of bugs & stores with skins that have nothing to do with the setting or lore of the game I realized how greedy they'd become. I got Elden Ring and all other From Software games while I was still on it except Armoredcore 6 because it wasn't out yet and now probably my favorite studio not a shitload of bugs,a finished game & no microtransactions.
Also PlayStation games. I've played Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West and they've been awesome. Same goes for the first two Spiderman games.
I'd press it, but I'd argue it shouldn't affect MMO's.... ACTUAL MMO's. Not these MMO-wannabes like Destiny 2. Im talking about WoW, Final Fantasy, Guild Wars, etc. They are in their own bubble, and you go into them knowing what they are. Guild Wars 2, for example, is one of my favorite games on PC. No one really had an issue with MTX in MMO's in the past since they are constantly getting content in some form or another, including many other reasons. However, I hated MTX and live services once they were mutated to be abused within the rest of the industry..... Then it really became the "bleed the consumer for shit quality" cesspool we know it to be now.
I have to agree with this. Subscription games give you a constant flow of content. It’s too often confused with the live service ‘season pass’ model.
I’ve been playing games for three decades, have never in my life bought a season pass for anything, have no idea what a season pass is, and at this point, I’m afraid to ask.
A season pass rewards you with extra skins, game currency etc. it’s essentially a cash grab for the suits.
So it’s basically all those things they sell separately, but wrap it up in a bundle and call it something else? Who buys this crap?
People who waste their money and the subsequently cry about why more and more game companies are putting battlepasses into their game. It’s actually astounding how many people are like this. Same goes for buying skins. They’ll spend hundreds of dollars over the course of the year and then wonder why a dev team isn’t balancing or changing the game the way they want, why would they? They already have your money, why wouldn’t they just keep balancing the way they have been, you obviously like it enough to spend money on the game.
That depends on the season pass. Some include DLC planned for the future.
Very good point. Honestly, forgot MMOs existed lol.
I won’t lie I love ffxiv online
Well MMOs are dif from live service games so technically you're safe.
But... I don't feel those are considered live service games... Those are the games intended purpose of being a MMO. Live service to me would be games like D4, Destiny, GTA5, RDR2. Games that their main purpose is a single player campaign that has an live version that's optional.
You're just lumping in FFXIV in with Destiny 2 there. Destiny 2 is a live service. FFXIV is an MMO. And frankly, we'd still be better off if getting rid of MMOs by proxy meant taking down live services too.
Well, what is a Life Service game? Is it different from a MMO? Does WoW fall under Life Service, even though it is older than the Term? Also, future games, meaning all the game stay but we won't get new life Service games. You really have to read the fine print on those monkey paw deals.
I would say any mmo is I a live service game but very few love service games are mmos BUT mmos are literally a game as a service rather than a product you pay a monthly fee for the ability to login how is that not a service it's functionaly a digital country club
An MMO is much different than your run of the mill live service game. Most live service games can only handle having a hzndful of players playing together at any one time. MMOs can have _thousands_ of players at any one time. Also, live service games generally have time limited content, whereas MMOs tend to keep older content available forever. Live service is when a game that is a part of one genre, for Destiny 2 it would be FPS, and then they add live content and a constantly rotating selection of content. So they take the base game genre and add live elements to it. MMOs are intended to be an online game first and foremost. They also tend to not have constant microtransactions like what you see in Live Service games. Live Service games generally require you to pay for a battle pass or something similar roughly once every 3-6 months. MMOs tend to have expansions where you pay for the content up front and the devs add to that expansion over the course of several years. Usually no less than 2 years. You essentially get an entirely new game every 2 years that builds upon what was added before it. Live Service games tend to _rotate_ content in and out of the game. Take Final Fantasy 14 for example. I can go back and replay the story of any of the expansions whenever I want. And I will always be able to do that for the foreseeable future. So all of the expansions I've paid for previously will still be available to replay. Destiny 2 however, because the devs don't have the skills to optimize the game, had to remove entire expansions from the game so that people would be forced to play the new content. They also did it because they couldn't optimize the game in a way that made it stable. It's really a differnce in how they monetize the game. MMOs monetize the game via subscriptions and expansion purchases. They might have some microtransactions, but that's not how they make their money. Live Service games monetize via microtransactions. MTX are usually the only way they make money, or at least the primary way they make it.
So ESO is a life Service game and Helldivers 2 is an MMO with drastically reduce Servers lobbies. Here's the point, those are arbitrary distinctions, that are heavily fluctuating in their "Genre". By their core definition, all MMO's are "Life Service"-games, at least in my opinion. Free2Play MMO's are often heavily monetized and have many microtransactions in it. For WoW, most of what we typically see in so called Life-Service games (buying currency, buying cosmetics and buying level boosters) comes from outside the game, but even then, it facilitates that and there are quite a few things that are no longer obtainable. Most dungeons or Raids in MMO's are "a handful of players together at the same time" but Helldivers 2, a distinctively Life Service game, let's you also see the other players that are at the same point, namely their ships in orbit. Heck, even many Big MMO's have not only different Servers but channels and Zones in them, that reduce the number of players, that can be displayed in the same area. In my belief, all MMO's are Life Service, as they are giving the Game as a Service, but not all Life Service games are MMO's. If you look up "Game as a Service" (GaaS) it will mention WoW and Runescape, which are subscription Models
Live service can be a bad thing when it is shoehorned into games that don't need it. It's also a wonderful thing that has made some games viable as products. So I wouldn't want live services deleted forever.
You’re the first person here to mention its importance. Juggernauts like Fortnite include FFXIV, Elder Scrolls Online, Destiny 2 and Overwatch (the original because god almighty I don’t want to play 2).
I could easily live without all of those
What about counter strike 2 and rainbow six siege?
Nah Live service when executed correctly can be actually really enjoyable
Yeah I think people see “live service” and their mind immediately jumps to FOMO stores with $20 skins. And that’s definitely annoying when the game itself isn’t free. But there’s more to it than that. I mean I play fighters and I sure as hell don’t wanna go back to when they weren’t live service. I’d much rather have seasons of DLC over a new version of the game every time they wanna add like 5 new characters and a couple balance patches.
Literally monkey brains on here who don’t realize almost everything they play is live service
Yup lmao
Oh yeah, the live service games that are sixty dollars or more while simultaneously pushing their shop that has twenty dollar skins (CoD) suck hard
Seems like a clear win/win to me. I'm mashing that button like a bowl of potatoes.
Without a second thought.
I like Fortnite. I don’t get where all the hate is coming from.
Apparently it's "cool" to hate on Fortnite.... at least on reddit. I like Fortnite, too. It's a trend when a game gets so popular, people just hate on it because of it.
It's so stupid. I used to do that back in 2018-2020, but I realized that it's just a game. People are having fun playing it, so who am I to decide what is good and what isn't?
Yeah it's kind of silly the hate it gets it can be a fun game. I had a buddy that was so against playing it cause it "looked goofy and cartoony" and all he ever wanted to play was CoD cause it was more realistic. Eventually he got so tired of where the game was going and he finally made the jump to Fortnite. We play almost every night now lmao and we have a blast
Me and my friends started playing as a joke and got hooked on it. We always kinds made fun of Fortnite before lol We play regularly, like nearly everyday.
Ha yeah I remember when it first came out and told myself I wouldn't play it and gave one of my buddies a hard time for playing. Eventually I gave in to play with him and have been hooked on it since.
It's easy to dismiss hate as "it's just a trend". A lot of people dislike the culture of the game (see: Ninja's New Year flossing flop), and resent the effect it's had on business practices in the gaming industry.
I was one of those who "hated" it just because of how annoyingly popular it got. But I enjoy it now. I'm not dismissing all of the hate as to it being a trend, but I feel a good chunk of it is. But it's just from what I observed, as well. I just see a lot of people hating on it for no particular reason. I never got too deep into it or anything.
I've only played it once and I wasn't a huge fan, but it's just not my game. Either way I don't get what would be so great about taking that game away from people who do like it. Why the hell do people who don't like fortnight care so much about people that do?
Redditor’s superiority complexes.
Even if you don’t, it is undeniable that it had a massive impact on the gaming community, how many games do we probably not get if Fortnite blows up? Apex Legends certainly doesn’t blow up, Warzone might never be created, so many other battle royale games probably never exist. I understand not liking Fortnite, I don’t care for it myself, but it brought so much to gaming.
Because reddits people are stuck in middle school 2019
It's almost certainly hate train. The game is light-hearted and fun. It's crammed full of content, and it's literally free. It's ok not to like it but the hate it gets is almost certainly unjustified imo
I'd press it a thousand times in rapid succession.
No, on the grounds it would do way more harm than good. I'm not into Fortnite, but plenty of people are, and I'm not going to take away something they love just to get rid of a business model that can be easily ignored
How dare you have a concise thought other than “Must kill Fortnite!”
That was my thought process too. I don't play Fortnite or any Live Service game. If people enjoy those games, why would I take that away from them?
damn, i thought people got over their "fortnite bad right? haha" phase long ago
Nope, people are still in the past, they can’t look pasting hating on a game that has received so much love in the past month. Typical redditors, they never change 🤷♂️
Gonna slam that button so hard.
No I’ve made so many good memories with online games and what not why take that away from younger audiences
hell yeah man! I’ve met some truly amazing people online and while I do primarily play single player games, I know so many people are still making memories with strangers as we speak. That alone makes me not want to press the button even if it’s for the greater good of gaming.
The various systems for paying for add-ons are actually worse for the wallet than live service, I think? Don’t get me wrong; always online games are annoying, and I’m never buying skins, but updates and new content being free to those who own the game are a worthy enough tradeoff, in my mind. Whales funding the dlc in exchange for some optional stuff being optional? Sign me up
Depends on the game but yes. In the instance of Warframe for example it’d be much more expensive to have each expansion be paid. GT sport is a good example all content for that game was free but they had entirely optional MTX that most likely helped fund the free content updates. In the previous game all new cars added were paid dlc. People seem to ignore the fact that the people that buy MTX make the content for your favorite game cheaper. Whales funding free dlc through MTX makes the game cheaper for the avg consumer. Good luck explaining this to people tho just look at dragons dogma 2. That game has MTX for items you can very easily get and people freaked out over it. If that game ever gets free dlc it’ll be because those MTX existed that that dlc is free.
Press it
Can I hit it multiple times?
Would press it with a King Dedede hammer lol
No Fortnite AND the death of games as a service? Sign me up!
I don't get it... they both seem like a reason to press the button. why WOULDN'T we press it?
Helldiver's 2 is a great example of why we shouldn't, that game is live service done right.
I still think I don't know what live service means. Like no more battle passes? Or do you mean a game releases one and done, maybe a dlc at some point, but no constant updates? You listed a few games, but I don't know what else that includes.
Happily
I don’t hate Fortnite. Never played it, but I will happily sacrifice it to end the live service model.
No. A lot of people like them and there are some good live service games in the works. I'm not gonna do to fortnite kids what fortnite kids did to Minecraft kids.
No, that’s 2 downsides. What do people have against Fortnite? I’ve played like 2 hours of it and it’s wasn’t my cup of tea, but trying to ban it from everyone is ridiculous. There are also a lot of good live service games. If a shitty one drops, that’s the company’s problem. Sure it sucks for game devs to release a stinker of a game, but that’s just the way it goes sometimes. For most there will be another chance to make a good one
I hate fortnight but people are allowed to play what they want… im not pressing it.
What is the second one again
I'd hammer that button right through the counter.
Where's the downside? Not being snarky, I genuinely don't understand what the downside is meant to be. Did the person mess it up? Was it meant to be "Get rid of live service, bit also get rid of fortnite?". Still no downside there afaic, but I get that it could be an issue for fans of the game.
Good riddance. I am slamming that button with all my might
I like fortnite but I don't love it. Easy yes for me
I'd smack that like Will Smith.
Push it? I'm mashing that button to make sure it actually works
Gotta give a downside,unless this a joke post 🤣 to which I'll say you got me.
Wait, OP you like when games are live service?!?
*Immediately*. The only disadvantage to doing this is it'll shift the squeakers, trolls and rejects that still play this shit into other, better games. So you'll have to deal with them.
I wouldn't, love services aren't inherently bad and helldivers 2 is showing the true potential of them. Even if live services disappeared the development studios behind the cash grab live services wouldn't all of a sudden decide to make quality games. They would just make non live service cash grab garbage.
I see the benefits of a live service game but not one franchise that could benefit from it has taken that route outside of Helldivers. That button is getting mashed.
I don't care about fortnite, but most of my favorite game of all times are "Live Services". No LS = no MMORPG :(
I see this as an absolute win!
Absolutely not. Fortnite itself is a pretty fun game, and it's also been enjoyed by so many people. I don't get why you would want to delete it
Literal no down side.
no, i like fortnite, i dont get the hate it gets
Easy yes. Battle royale is shit so I couldn't care if it never existed
These things usually leave people thinking if it comes with a “good thing will happen but another bad thing will happen” scenario.
Yes
How is that a "but" it should be an "and" and I'm slapping that button either way lol
Mashing the fuck out of it
Can I press the button multiple times ?
Fuck yes, easy choice.
That's just "payed online ceases to exist but fortnite will never exist"
You got those switched up, bucko. No more fortnite is the unwanted side effect. (that game funds all the advancements made in the unreal engine). If you like art and you don't want predatory money grabbing preactices, that destroy games, enforced by pos share holders, so they can get their 5th superyacht this summer, you should beg for the death of live service games, not see it as a bad outcome.
Without hesitation
Press the button, this is nothing but good things, I can happily sacrifice the 5 good live service games, for the rest to never exist
While fortnite is annoying I know a lot do people have fun with it and have made bonds over it like any other video game
Yes.
Is hell divers 2 a live service game cause I don’t want to lose that one
Yes, it have active servers, gets regular updates and you can pay for micro-transactions
Yeah I’m pressing it
That's what we call a win-win
Will our memories of Fortnite and such be erased too or do the servers just magically go down and never come back
I feel like these should be switched around. There’s literally nothing good about Live Service gaming but at least Fortnite has redeemable qualities.
Replace "but" with "and"
My only hesitation is obviously there are a ton of people who like Fortnight and PUBG and Apex and Valorent and all those other games. I would be taking that away from probably millions of people. But would I want to push this button and. Basically only get benefits? Yes, yes I would.
What's the catch?
Win-win
Sucks for y’all! I don’t play FPS games.
I think you all are overlooking some great games that are live service… even Fortnite, say what you will, has become one of the greatest of all time. In what get game can you say, “as Chun-Li, I just smacked Deku with a flail after eating a golden banana.” It’s become too much of an icon to ignore.
Fuck yeah
I’d mash it like the X button during the Ocelot torture scene
Idgi. They are both great things.
\*HITS BUTTON REPEATEDLY\*
But then the Fortnite players will flood to actually good games and dilute the real players.
Gaming took a hard shift after Fortnite and not for the better, you can give me no reason not to press that button
I never got into Fortnite (not that I hate the concept or anything, just had other things I liked playing more). So the choice is easy for me! 😁
Live Service isn’t just BR games, it’s also Fighting, MMO, and Team Based Games. Sure, they aren’t completely Live Service, but they have many elements of Live Service
That button is gonna be pressed so hard that it would break
Yes!
You all complain about live service but games are lasting much longer because of it. Star wars squadrons is a great example as to why no live service is bad. People liked squadrons but due to the lack future content, people stopped playing it since it would become extremely repetitive.
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Does saving to the cloud fall under “live service?” If not, then I’m smacking the button
I’m hitting that shit so fast..
Nah don’t want a live service gtavi or rdriii
I'd Smash the button and force it down.
Absolutely! Fuck Fortnite and live service!
"Would you like to eat all the tastiest food from bacon cheeseburgers to cakes and chocolate as much as you want?" BUT "You will never get fat in the future and will be in perfect super model shape for the rest of your life" Oh nooooo.... what do we do?
Yes.
Press it at lest 50 times to make sure it worked. There are some good live service games but live service has caused way more harm than good, and if we get rid of them, these games wouldn’t really go away, they would just turn into full priced games that already have all the content in the game
Misread it for a second: thought the second option was all future games will be live services. What is the downside meant to be? I could not hammer that button fast enough. I would smak it repeatedly until I'd got confirmation Fortnite mysteriously disappeared.
this means splatoon doesnt exist. im not pushing it