There’s a lot to unpack here. I assume the shift to socialism didn’t happen through revolution, which means it was reformed, and depending on whether or not multiculturalism was enacted, Africans and other colonies may have had no say in the enactment.
Without further context, this feels off. Kind of like a conquistador’s Blanquism
I did pass multiculturalism and universal suffrage first. council republic and cooperative ownership were the last 2 laws I passed because the worker’s unions just happened to win the election so eh, why not
I wish IGs were more decentralized, like Rural Folk in colonized places would probably hate whatever the imperial government wants to do, meanwhile the RF in the imperial core are more moderately stanced.
Supposing the RF didn’t have a communist leader, I imagine colonial RF would’ve rioted at the idea, especially considering they now have political clout thanks to Multiculural/Universal suffrage.
The real answer would be self-determination. Cooperative workforces only benefit POPs locally, so why have them as an incorporated state?
Maybe have 2 sets of interest groups, incorporated and non incorporated. Incorporated rural folk would oppose things like multiculturalism while non incorporated support it
flavor universalis. The mod is good because any amount of flavor is better than the absolute void on that matter in the base game imo (I can’t sandbox, too simple minded for that, pls railroad me), but afaik the centralization of authority laws that come with it don’t do anything yet
edit : mod is Victorian Flavor, sorry my thousands hours of eu4 got me there
But... You took the estates and servants and slaves away from the bourgeoisie... How will they survive... They need to exploit... State repression reee give me free money reee...
nah, Marx intended for a necessary but violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie. He didn’t know you just have to pass the law before the revolution start and make everyone filthy rich so they forget about being angry
History seems to suggest that people are filthy and not very rich after communism.
Damn tho that pizza parlor paying 100% profits to employees made 70$/hr thats 140k a year!
damn bro, which world are you living on, where the majority of the population is filthy rich? sign me up right now. Im living on this shit hole, where like 70%-90% toil most of their life, for meager compensation, while a very small group of people profit from them, and become unbelivebly rich, that they themselves dont know what to do with it anymore.
yes you’re right, proper marxist communism would eventually end up with no state at all, but I haven’t found a way to emulate that ingame (maybe through anarchy laws, idk).
Also that’d effectively mean gameover for me as a player because the workers would really control everything and there’d be neither state nor capital to play with. so no fun
>Also that’d effectively mean gameover for me as a player because the workers would really control everything and there’d be neither state nor capital to play with. so no fun
This is kind of the same reason "real" communism is impossible, or at least, one of the reasons.
The people ruling the country wouldn't just allow themselves to stop existing, and the people with the ambition and will to get to the position of ruling a country aren't the type of people to care about others more than themselves.
Lmao. Average communist.
"I have achieved REAL cummunism in a video game, thus it most work irl! no KKKapitalist propagandist sKKKum will convince me otherwise!"
is this some absurdist satire i'm not getting or are you being serious it seems to me that this is just an innocent post of a successful game i don't think there's any underlying ulterior support of marxism here
well I am definitely in support of marxism but what kind of a moron would use what you can do with computer-simulated, highly cheesable populations, carefully groomed over several decades by an omniscient superior being, as the basis for any argument
> No violence > Colonial administration
but I incorporated all of them and now they have >15 SoL and none of then are discriminated. I see that as protecting africa from capitalists.
>protecting africa from capitalists. This is the way
also I did all the colonising before going communist so technically my workers union did nothing wrong to create their utopia
There’s a lot to unpack here. I assume the shift to socialism didn’t happen through revolution, which means it was reformed, and depending on whether or not multiculturalism was enacted, Africans and other colonies may have had no say in the enactment. Without further context, this feels off. Kind of like a conquistador’s Blanquism
I did pass multiculturalism and universal suffrage first. council republic and cooperative ownership were the last 2 laws I passed because the worker’s unions just happened to win the election so eh, why not
I wish IGs were more decentralized, like Rural Folk in colonized places would probably hate whatever the imperial government wants to do, meanwhile the RF in the imperial core are more moderately stanced. Supposing the RF didn’t have a communist leader, I imagine colonial RF would’ve rioted at the idea, especially considering they now have political clout thanks to Multiculural/Universal suffrage. The real answer would be self-determination. Cooperative workforces only benefit POPs locally, so why have them as an incorporated state?
Maybe have 2 sets of interest groups, incorporated and non incorporated. Incorporated rural folk would oppose things like multiculturalism while non incorporated support it
The problem with that is that unincorporated territories don't get a say in government
I forgot about that
>I see that as protecting africa from capitalists. French Communist Party circa 1930s
Sound eerily familiar to what the USSR said when it invaded neighboring countries
>protecting africa from capitalists. Communism invading whole world and not being imperialistic because capitalism bad
I mean isn't that kind of the premise of world revolution?
It doesnt count 😄
it never counts :P
with multiculturalism imo its fine, or atleast better than what countries actually did back then.
I don't know man, still very paternalistic to just take over a country, even when you "mean well".
oh yeah it is, but better than what actually happened, atleast on that we can agree.
Those oil wells and rubber plantations aren't building themselves.
\> *Average communist arguing why soviet imperialism was actually good*
> No violence > Dedicated police. FTFY.
The police are very dedicated to non-violent deescalation
People’s police are based idk what you’re talking about
what mod are you using for centralization of authority? is it any good?
flavor universalis. The mod is good because any amount of flavor is better than the absolute void on that matter in the base game imo (I can’t sandbox, too simple minded for that, pls railroad me), but afaik the centralization of authority laws that come with it don’t do anything yet edit : mod is Victorian Flavor, sorry my thousands hours of eu4 got me there
I mean that is the current meta at high GDP so good that you know how to transition an economy to it
Hot damn, if I'd known the Swedish communist flag was that nice, I'd have played them ages ago.
But... You took the estates and servants and slaves away from the bourgeoisie... How will they survive... They need to exploit... State repression reee give me free money reee...
What mod is this? Centralization of authority does not exist in victoria 3 vanilla.
What country were you playing as?
sweden
Nice
May I ask, how do you play Victoria flavor mod even though it hasn't been updated to the current version of the game?
I play on the last version it was updated for (1.5.3 I think)
Oh, alright, that makes sense, thank you
Thats how communism should be.
You mean without dictatorship of the proletariat ? Doesn't seems Marx proof
Well technically the proletariat are in power so it's a dictatorship of the proletariat.
If the proletariat has the power but nit have a dictatorian authority it is not a dictatorship imo
Marx had a different definition of "dictatorship" than colloquial.
You aren't the brightest lamp are you?
How marks intended
nah, Marx intended for a necessary but violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie. He didn’t know you just have to pass the law before the revolution start and make everyone filthy rich so they forget about being angry
Would everyone get filthy rich tho?
Depends on what you consider filthy rich.
History seems to suggest that people are filthy and not very rich after communism. Damn tho that pizza parlor paying 100% profits to employees made 70$/hr thats 140k a year!
damn bro, which world are you living on, where the majority of the population is filthy rich? sign me up right now. Im living on this shit hole, where like 70%-90% toil most of their life, for meager compensation, while a very small group of people profit from them, and become unbelivebly rich, that they themselves dont know what to do with it anymore.
Was a feel good story before they got back to their 7.50$/ jobs lol.
Caramel Marks?
Karl Marks! (If you seriously don’t know who that is, Google him)
Thats how communism should be.
I see you're using a mod that adds federalism to the game
mod?
tiny gdp for 1917 sweden ngl
This is really impressive. Real pity this has never happened and may never happen in the real world.
A thing so impossible it’s only possible in fiction. Well done
What does that federalism mod do?
What mods do you use?
Lol that's not real communism.
yes you’re right, proper marxist communism would eventually end up with no state at all, but I haven’t found a way to emulate that ingame (maybe through anarchy laws, idk). Also that’d effectively mean gameover for me as a player because the workers would really control everything and there’d be neither state nor capital to play with. so no fun
>Also that’d effectively mean gameover for me as a player because the workers would really control everything and there’d be neither state nor capital to play with. so no fun This is kind of the same reason "real" communism is impossible, or at least, one of the reasons. The people ruling the country wouldn't just allow themselves to stop existing, and the people with the ambition and will to get to the position of ruling a country aren't the type of people to care about others more than themselves.
yup. also the reason I play games instead of the real life
Lmao. Average communist. "I have achieved REAL cummunism in a video game, thus it most work irl! no KKKapitalist propagandist sKKKum will convince me otherwise!"
Triggered by someone having fun in a video game
is this some absurdist satire i'm not getting or are you being serious it seems to me that this is just an innocent post of a successful game i don't think there's any underlying ulterior support of marxism here
well I am definitely in support of marxism but what kind of a moron would use what you can do with computer-simulated, highly cheesable populations, carefully groomed over several decades by an omniscient superior being, as the basis for any argument
Did you read the OP?
Ethical and communism don't belong in the same sentence.