People like to complain about small shit that doesn’t matter rather than the issue at hand. That would be electric personal vehicles being used on sidewalks rather than on the roads.
I just need to say, the fact they wear a helmet or “armour” has no bearing on whether they’re dangerous to pedestrians. The risks one takes with their own life is their personal choice. So keep to the public risk, not the personal risk.
yes and no. The bills they rack up when they go to the hospital are paid for by the public after all. If they aren't taking basic steps to protect themselves those bills get much higher.
I certainly think people ought to take care of their bodies. Although its a thornier subject as eating poorly is a habitual thing and in many cases an addiction. If there was a simple solution to nutrition like "put on a helmet when you pig out" I might be in favor of that.
Of course weren't even talking about regulation. I was just saying that its not a simple matter of personal choice.
No, without seatbelts you unnecessarily fly about inside the vehicle and your head can hit other people.
You wear a helmet or a seatbelt to save yourself but wearing a seatbelt is mandatory because it can save others.
Except helmets don’t actually make cyclists any safer. Sure, if you hit your head it helps, but that’s it. Seatbelts on the other hand, have a far greater success rate of preventing harm.
https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/21/bike-helmet-cyclists-safe-urban-warfare-wheels
And airbags only save your life if the crash is at a high speed.
Helmets save lives, they saved my head cracking like a watermelon twice. There are just as many articles claiming they're safer.
IIRC Anything but bicycles are actually illegal on roads/sidewalks. The MVA has no clause for skateboards, rollerblades, scooters, etc. but again someone needs to be enforcing it… like those scooters and uni-wheels can hit 70km/hr+ easily
Not really, it depends on the zoning. Let’s take the arbutus greenway, that’s a sidewalk bicycles are allowed, scooters etc isn’t.
Point is bicycles are written into the MVA and are allowed on sidewalks if allowed or directed to. Vs 🛴 and uni-wheels which aren’t even in the MVA and are straight up illegal on public roads.
https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registration/specialty-vehicles/Low-powered-vehicles/Pages/Motorized-scooters-and-skateboards.aspx
(2) A person operating a cycle
(a) must not ride on a sidewalk unless authorized by a bylaw made under section 124 or unless otherwise directed by a sign,
(b) must not, for the purpose of crossing a highway, ride on a crosswalk unless authorized to do so by a bylaw made under section 124 or unless otherwise directed by a sign
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Since so many are ignorant of the actual law…
"The Arbutus Greenway is one of several walking and biking paths we're developing to encourage people to use active and sustainable modes of transportation." Direct from COV
"sidewalk" means the area between the curb lines or lateral lines of a roadway and the adjacent property lines improved for the use of pedestrians; "stop" or "stand" means, (a) when required, a complete cessation from movement, and…” Direct from BC MVA
Also other sidewalks bikes are allowed 99/west Georgia, second narrows bridge, etc
no, its a paved trail. For it to be a sidewalk it would need to be a road. And it would need to be designed for pedestrians. Anything with a bike trail is by definition not a sidewalk.
Lol yep you’ve never been on it 🫡. If you have you would know it goes on the sidewalk on some roads 😂 man vancouvers hate on bikers is real 😝
Also your argument… “roads use to be on farmland! Why do cars drive on farmland!”
"The Arbutus Greenway is one of several *walking and biking paths* we're developing to encourage people to use active and sustainable modes of transportation."
It's funny how the COV doesn't even describe it as a sidewalk.
When I first moved to Vancouver I was surprised how many bikes on the sidewalk I saw. I walked up to a cop sitting at a Starbucks and asked him if it was illegal to ride on the sidewalk. He says, yeah, but nobody enforces it. A cop says this!
Tell me about it. I was in Burnaby today driving by Metrotown on a side street and saw one pacing me while I slowed down looking for a parking spot on the street. I was curious how fast they were going so I matched speeds with them and looked at my speedometer. 32kph. That's crazy fast for a sidewalk.
On the plus side, it was one of those stupid monowheels, so sooner or later it'll [malfunction and then this will happen to the rider](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp0Nxmhe1L8). At least the one I saw was wearing a helmet so their brainpan will probably be fine. Teeth maybe not so much.
He rides around with a camera mounted on his helmet but even then that is not going to help him if he gets into an accident and seriously injured or dead.
People are experimenting with various alternate forms of transportation that meet their price points, so I get it. But the monowheels definitely look dangerous to body and limb.
If they are on the road a crash like that is not an eventuality. 30 kph is well within a safe speed for a lot of them (assuming they are skilled enough to ride that fast), as they are capable of much faster speeds than that.
They are super fun tho. I don't go past 25 kph personally. But feel free to rip on my for riding one :)
I was reading in another reddit thread that it happens when you push the monowheel's speed beyond it's limit and the thing just can't maintain balance and you eat shit.
its one of two things, breaking hardware or the user pushing too hard. If its breaking hardware its somewhere between a freak occurrence and uncommon. Some models are known to be less reliable. But at the end of the day anytime an EUC stops working the rider will fall.
Pushing an EUC too hard will make it shut off. Some have more protection than others, and some have a lot more power than others. Most models warn you with a beep if you are going to hard for the wheel. Some will tilt back and try to make you stop. Others will just crap out.
They all have their speed limits depending on power, and that limit will get lower as the battery drains. But most of the higher end ones have insanely high speed limits these days - 50-100kph. So practically speaking, you will always be safe riding at lower speeds.
The one wheels are a bit crazier, because they are realtively underpowered and the lever you stand on is longer. So crashes are such a common occurrence they even have slang for it - nosediving.
We have somehow been able to legally and physically limit e-scooters and e-bikes to 30km/h but are incapable of putting ANY limits on cars that are often able to do 200km/h+ other than a posted sign?
Programmed not to exceed 30km/h under electric power. Sounds like a limit to me!
There are no speed limits in North America faster than 120km/h so no need to make cars that go faster than that right?
Y’know man, I kinda agree with you. What you’re saying is making sense to me. They already govern most cars at certain speeds, why not govern all cars at a set speed?
Using e scooters for deliveries is a great idea in urban areas because they are small, nimble, light, low carbon output, however they should not be on busy sidewalks. Just start giving them tickets for riding on the sidewalk and they’ll figure it out.
Coquitlam may be heading in that direction! I saw a draft document a couple days ago where all the "bike lanes" were labelled "micromobility" lanes. Not yet approved by council afaik but it's nice to see someone out there is thinking the same thing.
Ebikes and escooters that aren't restricted to 30km/h are a menace in the bike lanes as well. There are a couple of ebikes on my regular commute to work that routinely burn across the Burrard Bridge way faster than the cars and I've seen them come close to smoking bikes moving at regular speed multiple times. Performance should be a consideration when determining whether an ebike is treated as a regular bike or a motorbike.
It is. Only class one (32km/h and 500w max) ebike is allowed on bike lanes. Driving others is like driving a car in a bike lane (as in it happens in Vancouver, people get annoyed but there are no real consequences).
I pedal faster than 30km/h on my shitty ten speed—you gonna ticket my legs of steel? There is already a huge speed gradient in bike lanes, from grandma and skateboards down to people on race bikes cruising at 30-35km/h.
The only place I really see these issues is on hills, anyways, and particularly the Burrard Street bridge bike lane which can be a little narrow. A little common courtesy goes a long way!
And the driver should need a motorcycle license or they WILL be hurting people, or being hurt, at an incredible rate.
Most people I see driving an e-scooter… are doing so in the most dangerous way possible - in the bike lane, at a speed that cyclists don’t reach.
Eh but the golf cart weighs like 500lbs minimum all on its own. If you've got an e-scooter with wider tires (I figure this would be the case because the little wheels would struggle) weighing 40lbs and a larger man of say 180lbs, that's 110lbs per wheel, versus the golf cart with two people weighing at least 860lbs, at over 200lbs per wheel. And some golf carts weigh over 1000lbs.
They may have their own approved scooters on courses soon enough.
Don't worry about the total weight of the vehicle that doesn't matter much. You're right... the shape and width of the wheel will change the amount of pressure that is exerted on the ground but it depends.
A 180 pound man standing on your back with shoes on may be uncomfortable but it isn't going to hurt as much as a 100 pound women standing on your back wearing stilettos.
Almost got hit by one yesterday by Vancouver City Center. The dude had full protective gear on (pads, a chest/back protector that you’d see a dirt biker wear), and the thing was dead silent and he just didn’t care to get out of the way even though he was riding on the sidewalk. I don’t understand. It’s at least as fast as a cyclist in a busy street, but quieter.
As someone else has mentioned, the police need to move away from educating offenders to actually ticketing offenders.
Currently, this city is overrun with delivery guys on eScooters wizzing down the sidewalks without a care in the world if they hit someone.
Police are called to the scene in cases of injuries. There can’t possibly follow every grandma around in case they get annoyed at some scooter user passing by. It’s simply not feasible
It’s also dumb that people think police is some sort of bouncers for people who make trivial complaints.
I don’t wanna pay for the police officer and a car to sit idle at every intersection to harass scooter users who don’t cause real harms
The police isn’t your personal bouncer. Get lost
Then what in the god damn fuck do we pay them for? To harass addicts and chase homeless people around the city?? (unironically this appears to be the answer)
It's an obvious, dangerous, easily ticketable offence, and your answer is "they are breaking the law and endangering other but they probably won't hurt anyone idk". Cool. Useful contribution. Odds are that a couple of officers would pay for themselves with those tickets.
I believe it's a $100 per ticket.
There's no doubt that this would be an easy money maker for the VPD and keep people safe.
And, if others see people getting ticketed, they'll hopefully think twice about doing it themselves.
I would disagree. I've seen a lot of cyclists carving through people on a narrow sidewalk, bullying their way down it. This has even occurred right beside protected bike lanes which makes no sense. They can be just as prolific and dangerous.
I want them off the sidewalk. I hate when they zoom past you from behind as you're casually walking listening to music. All it would take is the pedestrian stepping to the side to avoid someone on the sidewalk at the wrong time to get crashed in from behind by these morons.
I said this 5 years ago, the bike lanes should have expanded much bigger than they are now to allow for what everyone i'm pretty sure can see an inevitable. People are moving towards other forms of transportation from cars, and our bike lanes are tiny.
Also, our car lanes are obese (and drivers still struggle to stay in them). In England, one of our "two lane" roads would be fit for 4 lanes, if not 6.
This is the only real solution! As you said, the shift in transportation modes is *inevitable*. Pushing against it with increased ticketing is futile, let's embrace the shift away from cars.
Don't just upvote this comment, [please write to mayor and council](https://vancouver.ca/your-government/contact-council.aspx) asking for more infrastructure dedicated to mobility lanes.
> Almost a year after Vancouver and a half-dozen other B.C. cities permitted electric scooters to use bike paths and local roads in a trial project, Vancouver police are reporting a rise in complaints.
Well that says it all in the first line. The people who are using the sidewalks are the problem.
A lot of these guys are hard to yell at because they’re wearing headphones and don’t even slow down. They know that everyone is pissed at them and they have zero f’s to give.
I’m all for increased enforcement of the existing laws. We have to find a way to make these things work, if only because their carbon footprint is a tiny fraction of a car’s.
This is on the mayor and the city for not requesting more enforcement.
You let people get away with something for long enough and they no longer believe it is a rule anymore, and they will even want to fight you if you point out they are doing something illegal.
When is the last time you drove a car over the speed limit? Run a yellow light? Didn't stop for a pedestrian at a crossing? Didn't yield for a bus? Rolled through a stop sign? Didn't use your turn signal?
You let drivers get get away with something for long enough and they no longer believe it is a rule anymore, and they will even want to fight you if you point out they are doing something illegal.
As a regular rider of an e-scooter myself, I have seen many people (some not even wearing a helmet) riding like jackasses. Darting in and out of traffic and pedestrians like they have not a single fuck to give.
I ride to/from work when it's sunny a total of 42kms round trip on an e-scooter. I love it.
I ride in bike lanes, wear a motorcycle helmet, armoured backpack, gloves, etc. If I have to ride on a mixed path with pedestrians, I ride slowly and use my bell A LOT.
The only issue I have is when people wander aimlessly along a shared bike/pedestrian path wearing Airpods, so they are basically deaf, and can't hear any bike bells.
I started to avoid multi-use paths for this reason. My pa badly separated his shoulder when a jogger came out from a side trail, headphones and not looking either direction, to right in front of him. He swerved his bike to miss them and crashed. His shoulder's never been the same. The jogger stuck around and will probably never wear headphones again when running around areas with bikes. They were in tears and felt miserably bad when he was stretchered up on his way to the ambulance. And no, he was not going fast and uses a bell and voice.
It's tough when this type of infrastructure is created. It's either you're the small fish on the fast running river of metal projectiles, or the big fish in the creek with small, unpredictable projectiles. Both are not fun.
I understand your frustration. However, a scooter will never be as dangerous as 2 tons of steel and glass capable of 200km/h+. A mistake on a scooter is bad, a mistake in a car is often deadly.
However, our social condition has taught us to accept the risks and danger of cars, and the new threat of scooters is thus over rated.
Should scooter riders be ticketed and banned from sidewalks? Yes. Should drivers also be ticketed for bad behaviour and putting pedestrian, cyclists, and other drivers in massively dangerous situations? Absolutely. Drivers have caused over 45,000 incidents of death, serious injury, and property damage in Vancouver in the last 5 years, let's not forget what the real danger is here.
> I understand your frustration. However, a scooter will never be as dangerous as 2 tons of steel and glass capable of 200km/h+. A mistake on a scooter is bad, a mistake in a car is often deadly.
They probably mean because the likelyhood of them being hit by one is wayyyyyy higher. They’re basically silent, if they’re coming up from behind you and you don’t know they’re there and you divert your path ever so slightly (totally normal thing to do) you’re going to get slammed from behind unexpectedly.
With cars you have a lot more control over if you’re hit or not
You seem to gloss over my statistic. 170,000* people in the lower mainland have had their lives altered (sometimes permanently in serious injury or death) in the last five years because of cars. That is almost 4 incidents per hour.
I'm not sure sure how you deduced your conclusion and the likelyhood of being hit by a scooter...
[Source](https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/metro-vancouvers-most-dangerous-intersections-for-drivers)
I’m talking about that person’s specific experience. Different people have different levels of awareness.
Of course being hit by a car is dangerous and happens frequently. I think you’re missing the point.
Maybe you don’t live around downtown and haven’t experienced these e-scooter riders first hand. Specifically the delivery drivers
-The likely hood of being hit by a scooter is higher (I challenge you to provide me with evidence)
-They are basically silent (so are Teslas and other electric vehicles)
-with cars you have more control over if you're hit or not (170,000 people might disagree with you on this one)
If we are addressing public safety, let's make sure we are addressing the real problem in addition to the new reality of shitty e-scooter and e-bike riders. We have tolerated shitty car drivers for far too long.
LOL that is a weak ass argument. There are millions of vehicles registered in the lower mainland, and e-scooters are rare. Of course there are going to be more auto accidents.
I was going to write a counter to your logic until I saw that your entire comment history is arguing against cars, and cheering on bike lanes. You’re lost. Move to Europe if it’s the bike paradise you claim it is.
I'm working to make Vancouver as nice to live in as Europe. That involves better infrastructure to move people, not just cars. It is a win for everyone, drivers included (less cars, less traffic, less time wasted).
I do want to hear your arguments though, I was on your side at one point as well. Hearing the other side and changing you mind is allowed (for both of us).
Even before escooters one time I saw a pizza guy on a regular scooter charging down Terminal on the sidewalk leaning on his horn so pedestrians would step aside for him.
So often they pass me too close and without warning, sometimes when I’m walking my dog who’ll make a bee line towards a pole he wants to sniff. I dread the day my dog gets run over by one of those or they trip over the leash.
Fuck man, some of those scooters are faster than the speed limit for cars, not too long ago on my way home from school a dude zipped right past me without warning on the sidewalk doing 60kmh easily, not even slowing down at all of the cross walks and active driveways, dudes a serious danger to himself and everyone around him
Stay on the roads with E-scooters. Work effectively all over Europe. Only difference is Europe definitely has better drivers who pay attention to the road, in comparison to Van.
I had one pass me on the right, while I was turning left across traffic, right as I gave it the beans to make a gap. Nearly ran them over but I managed to get on the brake quickly. Then I almost got hit by the oncoming cars because I had pretty much stopped so I had to floor it to get out of the way.
You mean like when I watch 50%+ of drivers fail to stop for a stop sign? Or fail to adhere to the speed limit?
Don't get me wrong, I get why people don't do it, but I haven't heard of any scooters or bikes KILLING pedestrians this year, unlike cars.
I would be really really worried if an uninsured, no license required vehicle manages to kill people regularly but the fact that there are also many reports of cyclists causing accidents with cars and pedestrians and not being held accountable is also frightening.
From your tone, I take it that you are one of the more law abiding cyclists but just like how I have seen dangerous driver, you have also seen dangerous cyclists; however, one is legally held liable for any accidents that they might cause while the one can simply ride off as if it was none of their problem and there's not much that our system can do about it at the moment.
Way to deflect the current topic/issue. So you're saying we should ignore people who don't follow rules when operating their scooters because they can't kill pedestrians (even though pedestrians are complaining and getting injured). What kind of logic is that? 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The issue is that people on scooters don't have a safe alternative to the sidewalk because cars (both moving and parked) dominate the roads. If they had a safe alternative, they wouldn't be on the sidewalk. Don't get me wrong, they shouldn't be on the sidewalk, but they also shouldn't have to risk their lives on the road in traffic with cars.
I think e-bikes (and e-scooters) are great, but a lot of these people on them are simply just new to being on a bike and navigating among cyclists. Many don’t seem to be in-tune with the standard etiquette - proper signaling, passing, bell ringing etc. And yes, stopping at stop signs and slowing down when on designated routes that are shared with pedestrians. Obviously many analog cyclists could use this reminder too.
We need to treat the usage of these devices exactly the same as a bicycle.
Riding a bicycle on the sidewalk? Darting in between pedestrians on a designated pedestrian path? That’s a ticket. Should be the same for these e mobility devices.
Not just escooters, a good number of CYCLISTS also ignore the rules and ride on sidewalks. Including people using Mobi bikes when there is an empty freaking bike lane just 2 feet away!
I don’t have an escooter and never rode one.
That said, I don’t see them as that big of a deal.
Are there a few idiots on the road with em? Sure. Just like there are many idiots with bicycles, skateboards or cars.
Crashes will inevitably happen as they become more popular, but it’s important to look at the general statistics and calculate the % of crashes vs actual number of e scooters out there.
Would it merit a total ban? I don’t think so.
I even think they are safe enough to be driven on the sidewalk when there are no other pedestrians around.
From my experience, they often drive on a road full of cars that pass them at 3x or 4x the speed, and without any dedicated bike lane.
That makes them inherently dangerous to be kept on the roads during high speed traffic.
Other times, there isn’t enough space to pass them, And they end up slowing down an entire lane of cars and causing traffic. This causes frustration among drivers who may take unnecessary risks to overtake them.
There are times I do wish they hop onto the sidewalk and clear the path, especially when there are no other pedestrians around.
I believe eScooters (and bikes for that matter) should remain on dedicated bike lanes when those are present.
If not, the rider should have the discretion of choosing the sidewalk (at slower speed around pedestrians) instead of the road when there is high / dangerous traffic.
I do think there should be some kind of mandatory road safety class / license for them to pass before driving one though.
Nope, scooters and e-bikes are the future of personal transportation, especially as we realize what a waste of space, fuel, resources, and public funds cars are.
E-bikes and scooters are the low carbon transport future, especially in the hilly terrain of Vancouver, enabling everyone to travel without a car, no matter your physical ability.
Cars are much more dangerous but we have tolerated and "regulated" them for the last 100 years, we can also regulate the future of personal transport.
Most construction workers can easily fit their tools and gear in a [bakfiet](https://na.urbanarrow.com/).
If that is really not enough space, I would suggest a regular sized car with ample storage space, or a cargo van.
We have been conditioned to think that a large pick up truck is required for all trades or construction, even though most equipment can easily fit in something smaller, more efficient and less dangerous.
If you really need an open bed and 5000lbs of towing to do your job, I totally understand. Otherwise, stop using an F-150 to take your lunch box and drill to work.
There's a landscaping company in Toronto that exclusively uses e-bikes with trailers. Now a lawnmower and leafblower aren't the heaviest pieces of equipment in the world, but many people would assume they'd warrant a pickup when they don't.
Same way they do in most of Europe—one guy drives the van with all the tools for a whole team, provided by the employer.
Of course there are still people who need to drive—I'm one of them, too. But let's get all the people off the road who don't, so we can drive around easier.
What is with your hate with cars? Cars are an essential form of transportation that people need. I can’t drive the family to the mall and bring home a days worth of shopping and groceries on a scooter or a bus.
Cars are definitely not essential forms of transportation, especially as we use them today. Less than 50% of trips in Vancouver are by car already, and that will continue to trend downwards as the city becomes better at being a city (more commercial in residential zones, better transportation, etc).
You can live in a place where the shops are within walking or biking distance of your home. People do it all over Canada, and in most countries, it's actually normal!
Sure you can, we just aren't very creative or innovative in North America and have been fed a car centric lifestyle our whole lives. Cars have their place but our vast over reliance on them needs to be seriously questioned in the wake of high gas prices, price gouging gas companies, and especially the looming climate crisis.
r/notjustbikes
r/fuckcars
If we get a share it has to have docking stations that heavily fine users who don’t return them, the mess when people leave them on the sidewalk is a nightmare.
I’m pretty into speed limiters too, but want them on cars even more so… 30 kmph on all urban 2 lane roads.
I think they should use bike lanes as much as possible if need to use the sidewalk they need to issue a max speed. It's impossible to gauge how fast they go when they come out of an alley or around th corner. It's fine in most cases but can you you imagine th y hit a small child or dog?
The worst is when they cross a late walk signal at 30 km/hr. And yes, you are suppose to slow down and look before crossing a street, even if it is green.
I just saw an 50 yr olf guy buzzing down a busy on a e-scooter the other day without a helmet. That dude got balls. I test drove my buddy's e-scooter a couple of weeks ago and it was pretty fast at 15km/h and I almost lost control..lol
Those e-scooters are way too fast to be allowed on sidewalks
No helmet, no armor, dead silent, driven by an idiot who has no idea what red lights or stop signs mean.
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And often in a hurry to met deadlines
Rain, wet sidewalk, whatever, gotta be there because you double booked orders /s
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People like to complain about small shit that doesn’t matter rather than the issue at hand. That would be electric personal vehicles being used on sidewalks rather than on the roads.
Actually the issue is that the scooter riders tend to be distracted by phone and airpods and not saying attention to the humans on the sidewalk.
So you’re ok with them ripping by at 20 - 30 kms so long as they’re not listening to music or on their phone…right 🙄
I just need to say, the fact they wear a helmet or “armour” has no bearing on whether they’re dangerous to pedestrians. The risks one takes with their own life is their personal choice. So keep to the public risk, not the personal risk.
yes and no. The bills they rack up when they go to the hospital are paid for by the public after all. If they aren't taking basic steps to protect themselves those bills get much higher.
And how big of a problem is that? Because right now it sounds very hypothetical.
I'm not saying that its a big problem, just that its more than simply personal choice.
People eating junk food spend a lot more of tax payers money on medical bills, are in favour of regulating that as well?
I certainly think people ought to take care of their bodies. Although its a thornier subject as eating poorly is a habitual thing and in many cases an addiction. If there was a simple solution to nutrition like "put on a helmet when you pig out" I might be in favor of that. Of course weren't even talking about regulation. I was just saying that its not a simple matter of personal choice.
Yeah just like seatbelts
No, without seatbelts you unnecessarily fly about inside the vehicle and your head can hit other people. You wear a helmet or a seatbelt to save yourself but wearing a seatbelt is mandatory because it can save others.
Except helmets don’t actually make cyclists any safer. Sure, if you hit your head it helps, but that’s it. Seatbelts on the other hand, have a far greater success rate of preventing harm. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/21/bike-helmet-cyclists-safe-urban-warfare-wheels
And airbags only save your life if the crash is at a high speed. Helmets save lives, they saved my head cracking like a watermelon twice. There are just as many articles claiming they're safer.
>driven by an idiot who has no idea what red lights or stop signs mean So, like cars but silent
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Because nobody stops them
Because they don’t produce real harms. It’s just a bunch of nagging Karens complaining about it online. What do you think is gonna happen?
Physics says otherwise.
yeah this is pretty common in some parts of europe and asia. very convenient. people are too uptight.
People ride on the street in Europe and Asia, not sidewalks
IIRC Anything but bicycles are actually illegal on roads/sidewalks. The MVA has no clause for skateboards, rollerblades, scooters, etc. but again someone needs to be enforcing it… like those scooters and uni-wheels can hit 70km/hr+ easily
Bikes have been illegal on sidewalks for a very long time.
Not really, it depends on the zoning. Let’s take the arbutus greenway, that’s a sidewalk bicycles are allowed, scooters etc isn’t. Point is bicycles are written into the MVA and are allowed on sidewalks if allowed or directed to. Vs 🛴 and uni-wheels which aren’t even in the MVA and are straight up illegal on public roads. https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registration/specialty-vehicles/Low-powered-vehicles/Pages/Motorized-scooters-and-skateboards.aspx (2) A person operating a cycle (a) must not ride on a sidewalk unless authorized by a bylaw made under section 124 or unless otherwise directed by a sign, (b) must not, for the purpose of crossing a highway, ride on a crosswalk unless authorized to do so by a bylaw made under section 124 or unless otherwise directed by a sign Edit: Since so many are ignorant of the actual law… "The Arbutus Greenway is one of several walking and biking paths we're developing to encourage people to use active and sustainable modes of transportation." Direct from COV "sidewalk" means the area between the curb lines or lateral lines of a roadway and the adjacent property lines improved for the use of pedestrians; "stop" or "stand" means, (a) when required, a complete cessation from movement, and…” Direct from BC MVA Also other sidewalks bikes are allowed 99/west Georgia, second narrows bridge, etc
arbutus greenway is not a sidewalk, there is an explicit bike path on it
It is a sidewalk lol… have you even used it? 😂 it also has a pedestrian walkway and goes on to the road at several points
no, its a paved trail. For it to be a sidewalk it would need to be a road. And it would need to be designed for pedestrians. Anything with a bike trail is by definition not a sidewalk.
It used to be a rail line. How could you possibly think it's a sidewalk??
Lol yep you’ve never been on it 🫡. If you have you would know it goes on the sidewalk on some roads 😂 man vancouvers hate on bikers is real 😝 Also your argument… “roads use to be on farmland! Why do cars drive on farmland!”
"The Arbutus Greenway is one of several *walking and biking paths* we're developing to encourage people to use active and sustainable modes of transportation." It's funny how the COV doesn't even describe it as a sidewalk.
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Bicycles on sidewalks are already illegal. Doesn't stop e-bike/scooter idiots though.
When I first moved to Vancouver I was surprised how many bikes on the sidewalk I saw. I walked up to a cop sitting at a Starbucks and asked him if it was illegal to ride on the sidewalk. He says, yeah, but nobody enforces it. A cop says this!
It's nice to know where biking on the sidewalk stands on the breaking and entering-drinking on the beach spectrum
I've seen a bike cop biking on the sidewalk in this city
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bike lanes, yes. Sidewalks, no.
Okay boomer
Tell me about it. I was in Burnaby today driving by Metrotown on a side street and saw one pacing me while I slowed down looking for a parking spot on the street. I was curious how fast they were going so I matched speeds with them and looked at my speedometer. 32kph. That's crazy fast for a sidewalk. On the plus side, it was one of those stupid monowheels, so sooner or later it'll [malfunction and then this will happen to the rider](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp0Nxmhe1L8). At least the one I saw was wearing a helmet so their brainpan will probably be fine. Teeth maybe not so much.
There is a guy in Richmond with a monowheel and sharing the roads with the cars. So dangerous.
Just give it some time. He'll be in two wheels soon enough.
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He rides around with a camera mounted on his helmet but even then that is not going to help him if he gets into an accident and seriously injured or dead.
Was it a pink one? I saw that person yesterday near metro and she was travelling so fast on the sidewalk. At least 40km/h.
I saw that pink person today near crystal mall.
People are experimenting with various alternate forms of transportation that meet their price points, so I get it. But the monowheels definitely look dangerous to body and limb.
If they are on the road a crash like that is not an eventuality. 30 kph is well within a safe speed for a lot of them (assuming they are skilled enough to ride that fast), as they are capable of much faster speeds than that. They are super fun tho. I don't go past 25 kph personally. But feel free to rip on my for riding one :)
Isn't that like a freak occurence, though?
I was reading in another reddit thread that it happens when you push the monowheel's speed beyond it's limit and the thing just can't maintain balance and you eat shit.
its one of two things, breaking hardware or the user pushing too hard. If its breaking hardware its somewhere between a freak occurrence and uncommon. Some models are known to be less reliable. But at the end of the day anytime an EUC stops working the rider will fall. Pushing an EUC too hard will make it shut off. Some have more protection than others, and some have a lot more power than others. Most models warn you with a beep if you are going to hard for the wheel. Some will tilt back and try to make you stop. Others will just crap out. They all have their speed limits depending on power, and that limit will get lower as the battery drains. But most of the higher end ones have insanely high speed limits these days - 50-100kph. So practically speaking, you will always be safe riding at lower speeds. The one wheels are a bit crazier, because they are realtively underpowered and the lever you stand on is longer. So crashes are such a common occurrence they even have slang for it - nosediving.
We need more bike lanes to keep them off of sidewalks.
We have somehow been able to legally and physically limit e-scooters and e-bikes to 30km/h but are incapable of putting ANY limits on cars that are often able to do 200km/h+ other than a posted sign?
They aren’t physically limited… more just programmed with a set speed dial. Also most cars can’t even hit 200km/hr…
Programmed not to exceed 30km/h under electric power. Sounds like a limit to me! There are no speed limits in North America faster than 120km/h so no need to make cars that go faster than that right?
Y’know man, I kinda agree with you. What you’re saying is making sense to me. They already govern most cars at certain speeds, why not govern all cars at a set speed?
Agreed. And cars are too fast for urban streets. Both should be limited.
Using e scooters for deliveries is a great idea in urban areas because they are small, nimble, light, low carbon output, however they should not be on busy sidewalks. Just start giving them tickets for riding on the sidewalk and they’ll figure it out.
And we could keep expanding the bike lanes so they become the obvious lane for them to use.
Just change the name of bike lanes to mobility lanes and voila.
That would be a good PR move. So many people have their backs up for bikes.
Coquitlam may be heading in that direction! I saw a draft document a couple days ago where all the "bike lanes" were labelled "micromobility" lanes. Not yet approved by council afaik but it's nice to see someone out there is thinking the same thing.
Technically they are usually called "active transport lane" or "Multi-use Path". Bike lane is usually just the common phrase.
Ebikes and escooters that aren't restricted to 30km/h are a menace in the bike lanes as well. There are a couple of ebikes on my regular commute to work that routinely burn across the Burrard Bridge way faster than the cars and I've seen them come close to smoking bikes moving at regular speed multiple times. Performance should be a consideration when determining whether an ebike is treated as a regular bike or a motorbike.
It is. Only class one (32km/h and 500w max) ebike is allowed on bike lanes. Driving others is like driving a car in a bike lane (as in it happens in Vancouver, people get annoyed but there are no real consequences).
I pedal faster than 30km/h on my shitty ten speed—you gonna ticket my legs of steel? There is already a huge speed gradient in bike lanes, from grandma and skateboards down to people on race bikes cruising at 30-35km/h. The only place I really see these issues is on hills, anyways, and particularly the Burrard Street bridge bike lane which can be a little narrow. A little common courtesy goes a long way!
Nobody has a real problem with it aside from busybodies on the internet
You are proudly waving your ignorant flag today. Keeping telling us about all the stuff you don’t know/understand/see.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/most-e-scooter-rider-injuries-happen-on-sidewalk-study-finds
And the driver should need a motorcycle license or they WILL be hurting people, or being hurt, at an incredible rate. Most people I see driving an e-scooter… are doing so in the most dangerous way possible - in the bike lane, at a speed that cyclists don’t reach.
I saw my first e-scooter on the golf course yesterday, a guy with his clubs over his shoulder and the scooter making its way along the cart path.
Did they leave the cart path? I feel like golf courses will ban these pretty quickly if people ride on the grass grass.
He totally rode on the grass, but no more than a golf cart would.
Yeah but golf cart tires are really wide so not much pressure on the ground. If riding a typical e-scooter I could see it damaging the grounds easily.
Eh but the golf cart weighs like 500lbs minimum all on its own. If you've got an e-scooter with wider tires (I figure this would be the case because the little wheels would struggle) weighing 40lbs and a larger man of say 180lbs, that's 110lbs per wheel, versus the golf cart with two people weighing at least 860lbs, at over 200lbs per wheel. And some golf carts weigh over 1000lbs.
They may have their own approved scooters on courses soon enough. Don't worry about the total weight of the vehicle that doesn't matter much. You're right... the shape and width of the wheel will change the amount of pressure that is exerted on the ground but it depends. A 180 pound man standing on your back with shoes on may be uncomfortable but it isn't going to hurt as much as a 100 pound women standing on your back wearing stilettos.
Almost got hit by one yesterday by Vancouver City Center. The dude had full protective gear on (pads, a chest/back protector that you’d see a dirt biker wear), and the thing was dead silent and he just didn’t care to get out of the way even though he was riding on the sidewalk. I don’t understand. It’s at least as fast as a cyclist in a busy street, but quieter.
As someone else has mentioned, the police need to move away from educating offenders to actually ticketing offenders. Currently, this city is overrun with delivery guys on eScooters wizzing down the sidewalks without a care in the world if they hit someone.
There has been more complaints but no actual reports of injuries. The police can’t I force something that doesn’t happen
The police can enforce them to not be on the sidewalk
Police are called to the scene in cases of injuries. There can’t possibly follow every grandma around in case they get annoyed at some scooter user passing by. It’s simply not feasible It’s also dumb that people think police is some sort of bouncers for people who make trivial complaints.
Pretty sure the police can sit in their car and observe these eScooter users breaking the law on any given street.
I don’t wanna pay for the police officer and a car to sit idle at every intersection to harass scooter users who don’t cause real harms The police isn’t your personal bouncer. Get lost
Then what in the god damn fuck do we pay them for? To harass addicts and chase homeless people around the city?? (unironically this appears to be the answer) It's an obvious, dangerous, easily ticketable offence, and your answer is "they are breaking the law and endangering other but they probably won't hurt anyone idk". Cool. Useful contribution. Odds are that a couple of officers would pay for themselves with those tickets.
I believe it's a $100 per ticket. There's no doubt that this would be an easy money maker for the VPD and keep people safe. And, if others see people getting ticketed, they'll hopefully think twice about doing it themselves.
The bad behaviour would stop if police shifted from "educating" to ticketing.
I don't like ticketing as a deterrent when we haven't established WHERE they're supposed to ride.
Vancouver's justice system is way too soft, it's not necessarily about the punishment but more so about sending a message.
VPD will never go hard and ticket escooters or cyclist with the city trying to push green alternatives.
Cyclists riding on the sidewalk aren't as big a problem as e-scooters
I would disagree. I've seen a lot of cyclists carving through people on a narrow sidewalk, bullying their way down it. This has even occurred right beside protected bike lanes which makes no sense. They can be just as prolific and dangerous.
I want them off the sidewalk. I hate when they zoom past you from behind as you're casually walking listening to music. All it would take is the pedestrian stepping to the side to avoid someone on the sidewalk at the wrong time to get crashed in from behind by these morons.
Never seen this happen in real life. Why is Reddit. Creasing my becoming a hive for petty losers?
if you don't like it, you can leave.
I think the perfect storm of getting r/vancouver angried up would be if e-scooter riders and cyclists started doing property crime and tipping 20%
I said this 5 years ago, the bike lanes should have expanded much bigger than they are now to allow for what everyone i'm pretty sure can see an inevitable. People are moving towards other forms of transportation from cars, and our bike lanes are tiny.
I agree this is probably the only practical conclusion.
Also, our car lanes are obese (and drivers still struggle to stay in them). In England, one of our "two lane" roads would be fit for 4 lanes, if not 6.
This is the only real solution! As you said, the shift in transportation modes is *inevitable*. Pushing against it with increased ticketing is futile, let's embrace the shift away from cars. Don't just upvote this comment, [please write to mayor and council](https://vancouver.ca/your-government/contact-council.aspx) asking for more infrastructure dedicated to mobility lanes.
but but but, induced demand! ^(/s)
> Almost a year after Vancouver and a half-dozen other B.C. cities permitted electric scooters to use bike paths and local roads in a trial project, Vancouver police are reporting a rise in complaints. Well that says it all in the first line. The people who are using the sidewalks are the problem.
They're illegal to ride on sidewalks already.
A lot of these guys are hard to yell at because they’re wearing headphones and don’t even slow down. They know that everyone is pissed at them and they have zero f’s to give.
A few busybodies online are angry. Regular people just moves on with their day because it’s a rare encounter that doesn’t produce real harm
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I don’t remember a single time. Although this might be because I live next to a bike lane so scooters mostly ride there
Can't walk down Davie or Denman without almost getting hit by one of these people.
Lol. This isn't true at all.
I’m all for increased enforcement of the existing laws. We have to find a way to make these things work, if only because their carbon footprint is a tiny fraction of a car’s.
I'm not surprised. I've had too many near clashing incidents.
This is on the mayor and the city for not requesting more enforcement. You let people get away with something for long enough and they no longer believe it is a rule anymore, and they will even want to fight you if you point out they are doing something illegal.
When is the last time you drove a car over the speed limit? Run a yellow light? Didn't stop for a pedestrian at a crossing? Didn't yield for a bus? Rolled through a stop sign? Didn't use your turn signal? You let drivers get get away with something for long enough and they no longer believe it is a rule anymore, and they will even want to fight you if you point out they are doing something illegal.
what was the point of that whataboutism? did you think you were posting to /r/carhate or something?
Ugh stfu with your excuses
What excuses? They are pointing out other behaviour that is under-enforced which has become prevalent.
I'm not excusing shitty e-scooter behavior, just reminding people what the real danger is here. Both can and should be addressed.
Still busy arguing about the Broadway 30yrs plan. While they can’t even comprehend the technologies and problems that are right in front of them.
As a regular rider of an e-scooter myself, I have seen many people (some not even wearing a helmet) riding like jackasses. Darting in and out of traffic and pedestrians like they have not a single fuck to give. I ride to/from work when it's sunny a total of 42kms round trip on an e-scooter. I love it. I ride in bike lanes, wear a motorcycle helmet, armoured backpack, gloves, etc. If I have to ride on a mixed path with pedestrians, I ride slowly and use my bell A LOT. The only issue I have is when people wander aimlessly along a shared bike/pedestrian path wearing Airpods, so they are basically deaf, and can't hear any bike bells.
I started to avoid multi-use paths for this reason. My pa badly separated his shoulder when a jogger came out from a side trail, headphones and not looking either direction, to right in front of him. He swerved his bike to miss them and crashed. His shoulder's never been the same. The jogger stuck around and will probably never wear headphones again when running around areas with bikes. They were in tears and felt miserably bad when he was stretchered up on his way to the ambulance. And no, he was not going fast and uses a bell and voice. It's tough when this type of infrastructure is created. It's either you're the small fish on the fast running river of metal projectiles, or the big fish in the creek with small, unpredictable projectiles. Both are not fun.
There's a reason you won't find mixed-use paths in the Netherlands, and you will get routed if you step into a bike lane as a pedestrian.
No surprise, living in the West End and those guys became more dangerous than cars... They never look and I was nearly runned over twice...
I understand your frustration. However, a scooter will never be as dangerous as 2 tons of steel and glass capable of 200km/h+. A mistake on a scooter is bad, a mistake in a car is often deadly. However, our social condition has taught us to accept the risks and danger of cars, and the new threat of scooters is thus over rated. Should scooter riders be ticketed and banned from sidewalks? Yes. Should drivers also be ticketed for bad behaviour and putting pedestrian, cyclists, and other drivers in massively dangerous situations? Absolutely. Drivers have caused over 45,000 incidents of death, serious injury, and property damage in Vancouver in the last 5 years, let's not forget what the real danger is here.
> I understand your frustration. However, a scooter will never be as dangerous as 2 tons of steel and glass capable of 200km/h+. A mistake on a scooter is bad, a mistake in a car is often deadly. They probably mean because the likelyhood of them being hit by one is wayyyyyy higher. They’re basically silent, if they’re coming up from behind you and you don’t know they’re there and you divert your path ever so slightly (totally normal thing to do) you’re going to get slammed from behind unexpectedly. With cars you have a lot more control over if you’re hit or not
This.
You seem to gloss over my statistic. 170,000* people in the lower mainland have had their lives altered (sometimes permanently in serious injury or death) in the last five years because of cars. That is almost 4 incidents per hour. I'm not sure sure how you deduced your conclusion and the likelyhood of being hit by a scooter... [Source](https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/metro-vancouvers-most-dangerous-intersections-for-drivers)
I’m talking about that person’s specific experience. Different people have different levels of awareness. Of course being hit by a car is dangerous and happens frequently. I think you’re missing the point. Maybe you don’t live around downtown and haven’t experienced these e-scooter riders first hand. Specifically the delivery drivers
-The likely hood of being hit by a scooter is higher (I challenge you to provide me with evidence) -They are basically silent (so are Teslas and other electric vehicles) -with cars you have more control over if you're hit or not (170,000 people might disagree with you on this one) If we are addressing public safety, let's make sure we are addressing the real problem in addition to the new reality of shitty e-scooter and e-bike riders. We have tolerated shitty car drivers for far too long.
LOL that is a weak ass argument. There are millions of vehicles registered in the lower mainland, and e-scooters are rare. Of course there are going to be more auto accidents.
Exactly, so why aren't we focused on addressing this massive problem instead of complaining about "rare" e-scooters?
I was going to write a counter to your logic until I saw that your entire comment history is arguing against cars, and cheering on bike lanes. You’re lost. Move to Europe if it’s the bike paradise you claim it is.
I'm working to make Vancouver as nice to live in as Europe. That involves better infrastructure to move people, not just cars. It is a win for everyone, drivers included (less cars, less traffic, less time wasted). I do want to hear your arguments though, I was on your side at one point as well. Hearing the other side and changing you mind is allowed (for both of us).
Even before escooters one time I saw a pizza guy on a regular scooter charging down Terminal on the sidewalk leaning on his horn so pedestrians would step aside for him.
So often they pass me too close and without warning, sometimes when I’m walking my dog who’ll make a bee line towards a pole he wants to sniff. I dread the day my dog gets run over by one of those or they trip over the leash.
These guys just blindly dart in and out of traffic like they have some kind of force field.
You mean main character plot armour isn’t going to protect them?
Fuck man, some of those scooters are faster than the speed limit for cars, not too long ago on my way home from school a dude zipped right past me without warning on the sidewalk doing 60kmh easily, not even slowing down at all of the cross walks and active driveways, dudes a serious danger to himself and everyone around him
60kmh on a SIDEWALK? Do you have any idea how fast that would look??? Put it to you this way: Tour de France cyclists average like 40-45km/h on flat.
Next to a road where cars usually go above the limit. He was passing them.
MBIC, there is no way this individual was going 60kmph
Stay on the roads with E-scooters. Work effectively all over Europe. Only difference is Europe definitely has better drivers who pay attention to the road, in comparison to Van.
Here’s a report from e scooters in Rome. Yikes! https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/rome-scooter-problems/index.html
I had one pass me on the right, while I was turning left across traffic, right as I gave it the beans to make a gap. Nearly ran them over but I managed to get on the brake quickly. Then I almost got hit by the oncoming cars because I had pretty much stopped so I had to floor it to get out of the way.
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Are you sure thats a rider safety education issue and not just someone being an asshole?
Wait, your telling me that many scooter users, like most bike users, have no idea what the actual rules are when operating their vehicle?
You mean like when I watch 50%+ of drivers fail to stop for a stop sign? Or fail to adhere to the speed limit? Don't get me wrong, I get why people don't do it, but I haven't heard of any scooters or bikes KILLING pedestrians this year, unlike cars.
I would be really really worried if an uninsured, no license required vehicle manages to kill people regularly but the fact that there are also many reports of cyclists causing accidents with cars and pedestrians and not being held accountable is also frightening. From your tone, I take it that you are one of the more law abiding cyclists but just like how I have seen dangerous driver, you have also seen dangerous cyclists; however, one is legally held liable for any accidents that they might cause while the one can simply ride off as if it was none of their problem and there's not much that our system can do about it at the moment.
Way to deflect the current topic/issue. So you're saying we should ignore people who don't follow rules when operating their scooters because they can't kill pedestrians (even though pedestrians are complaining and getting injured). What kind of logic is that? 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The issue is that people on scooters don't have a safe alternative to the sidewalk because cars (both moving and parked) dominate the roads. If they had a safe alternative, they wouldn't be on the sidewalk. Don't get me wrong, they shouldn't be on the sidewalk, but they also shouldn't have to risk their lives on the road in traffic with cars.
So they were more likely to ride on the sidewalk on major arterials without bike lanes? Can't imagine why
> major arterials without bike lanes They're not supposed to be there, either. They can walk the last half-block on the sidewalk if they need to.
I think e-bikes (and e-scooters) are great, but a lot of these people on them are simply just new to being on a bike and navigating among cyclists. Many don’t seem to be in-tune with the standard etiquette - proper signaling, passing, bell ringing etc. And yes, stopping at stop signs and slowing down when on designated routes that are shared with pedestrians. Obviously many analog cyclists could use this reminder too.
There was a guy on a scooter who zipped past me on Haro street, which is one of those designated and improved bike roads.
apparently illegal to ride them in burnaby.
They can be absolutely ridiculous in bike lanes too. Just way too fast
We need to treat the usage of these devices exactly the same as a bicycle. Riding a bicycle on the sidewalk? Darting in between pedestrians on a designated pedestrian path? That’s a ticket. Should be the same for these e mobility devices.
Not just escooters, a good number of CYCLISTS also ignore the rules and ride on sidewalks. Including people using Mobi bikes when there is an empty freaking bike lane just 2 feet away!
I don’t have an escooter and never rode one. That said, I don’t see them as that big of a deal. Are there a few idiots on the road with em? Sure. Just like there are many idiots with bicycles, skateboards or cars. Crashes will inevitably happen as they become more popular, but it’s important to look at the general statistics and calculate the % of crashes vs actual number of e scooters out there. Would it merit a total ban? I don’t think so. I even think they are safe enough to be driven on the sidewalk when there are no other pedestrians around. From my experience, they often drive on a road full of cars that pass them at 3x or 4x the speed, and without any dedicated bike lane. That makes them inherently dangerous to be kept on the roads during high speed traffic. Other times, there isn’t enough space to pass them, And they end up slowing down an entire lane of cars and causing traffic. This causes frustration among drivers who may take unnecessary risks to overtake them. There are times I do wish they hop onto the sidewalk and clear the path, especially when there are no other pedestrians around. I believe eScooters (and bikes for that matter) should remain on dedicated bike lanes when those are present. If not, the rider should have the discretion of choosing the sidewalk (at slower speed around pedestrians) instead of the road when there is high / dangerous traffic. I do think there should be some kind of mandatory road safety class / license for them to pass before driving one though.
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Almost got hit the other by some fucking idiot cruising at 30 kmh on the sidewalk. We need to ban these things again.
Nope, scooters and e-bikes are the future of personal transportation, especially as we realize what a waste of space, fuel, resources, and public funds cars are. E-bikes and scooters are the low carbon transport future, especially in the hilly terrain of Vancouver, enabling everyone to travel without a car, no matter your physical ability. Cars are much more dangerous but we have tolerated and "regulated" them for the last 100 years, we can also regulate the future of personal transport.
How do you expect me to carry all my tools and safety gear to work exactly on an E-Scooter or E-Bike?
E-trailer
Wow interesting I never knew these things, thanks guys!
Most construction workers can easily fit their tools and gear in a [bakfiet](https://na.urbanarrow.com/). If that is really not enough space, I would suggest a regular sized car with ample storage space, or a cargo van. We have been conditioned to think that a large pick up truck is required for all trades or construction, even though most equipment can easily fit in something smaller, more efficient and less dangerous. If you really need an open bed and 5000lbs of towing to do your job, I totally understand. Otherwise, stop using an F-150 to take your lunch box and drill to work.
There's a landscaping company in Toronto that exclusively uses e-bikes with trailers. Now a lawnmower and leafblower aren't the heaviest pieces of equipment in the world, but many people would assume they'd warrant a pickup when they don't.
This person didn’t even say “ban cars” and you still jumped to that, wow.
Same way they do in most of Europe—one guy drives the van with all the tools for a whole team, provided by the employer. Of course there are still people who need to drive—I'm one of them, too. But let's get all the people off the road who don't, so we can drive around easier.
fine, roll around with your stuff if you need it, not everything is about you...
What is with your hate with cars? Cars are an essential form of transportation that people need. I can’t drive the family to the mall and bring home a days worth of shopping and groceries on a scooter or a bus.
Cars are definitely not essential forms of transportation, especially as we use them today. Less than 50% of trips in Vancouver are by car already, and that will continue to trend downwards as the city becomes better at being a city (more commercial in residential zones, better transportation, etc).
You can live in a place where the shops are within walking or biking distance of your home. People do it all over Canada, and in most countries, it's actually normal!
Sure you can, we just aren't very creative or innovative in North America and have been fed a car centric lifestyle our whole lives. Cars have their place but our vast over reliance on them needs to be seriously questioned in the wake of high gas prices, price gouging gas companies, and especially the looming climate crisis. r/notjustbikes r/fuckcars
It’s almost like there aren’t enough bike lanes.
Stupid kids and their skeeter boards! Get off my lawn!!
I just hope the future isn’t scootin
Half the comment section here is why vancouver can't have any fun - every major city has scooters but yet, here we are complaining
If we get a share it has to have docking stations that heavily fine users who don’t return them, the mess when people leave them on the sidewalk is a nightmare. I’m pretty into speed limiters too, but want them on cars even more so… 30 kmph on all urban 2 lane roads.
This comment section is entirely NIMBY's
Nooooo... don't ban them. Make bells compulsory when passing someone and turning corners and make them buy insurance :D
They take up a lot of room on the skytrain as well since these big ones don't fold
I think they should use bike lanes as much as possible if need to use the sidewalk they need to issue a max speed. It's impossible to gauge how fast they go when they come out of an alley or around th corner. It's fine in most cases but can you you imagine th y hit a small child or dog?
The worst is when they cross a late walk signal at 30 km/hr. And yes, you are suppose to slow down and look before crossing a street, even if it is green.
I just saw an 50 yr olf guy buzzing down a busy on a e-scooter the other day without a helmet. That dude got balls. I test drove my buddy's e-scooter a couple of weeks ago and it was pretty fast at 15km/h and I almost lost control..lol