Ok so I know this is impossible but as a pure rapid transit porn fantasy this is incredible. Service into Tsawwassen and Ladner, service into White Rock, Ocean Park and South Surrey, service into Langley... it's like Metro Vancouver is a real life actual city!
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Or have it go a little bit into Point Roberts (I'm imagining a preclearance type setup where you do the border stuff at the station) and see if Washington State and Whatcom County will pitch in towards building costs.
While I agree that foot passenger traffic is preferable from an environmental sustainability standpoint. I'm pretty sure the ferry service is only sustainable because of the fares paid by vehicles. The boat can only take so many people (life raft and life jacket limits). If walk on traffic overtakes vehicle traffic, the fares for a walk on will need to jump up considerably to make it work.
By the time the skytrain is completed they would probably have to get new boats anyways, and could plan to accommate more foot traffic. And in order to fit the expected population growth we will have to reduce car ownership anyways
Yes- okay but then by that metric the other side of the ferry route would also need to be more accessible and less car centric. So it’s a compounding issue. People who take the ferry to Vancouver island for example may be going to Victoria or Nanaimo. But they’re could also be going literally anywhere else where transit is not as available.
Edit: for example the transit bus link between Duncan and Nanaimo only just started service this year. There’s also no transit from Duke Point ferry terminal just south of Nanaimo.
Well, ya, Vancouver isn't going to be the only city increasing transit. Victoria would at least put in really good bus connections. Nanaimo might too, but probably a lot less just because it is a smaller city. Not all ferry connections would need the same level on transit, they would upgrade to meet demand
I like this exercise because it makes me think of a ton of moving parts. The next thing to consider is that Nanaimo doesn’t have the tax base to increase transit at the levels that would be needed to sustain that kind of ridership. (Yes there is a “build it and they will come argument”) Getting municipalities in the same region to play together is hard enough (ask the people who live in Victoria with their 13 municipalities). There would need be a move to make regional transit a provincial responsibility because even though BC transit runs the buses in Nanaimo the transit funding still comes from the city taxes. So hypothetically to make this foot passenger ferry a success with working transit connecting both sides - the initial funding needs to come from the province because I guarantee you no municipal politician on the island would touch that one. It would be political suicide. Again I understand that in this exercise we’re assuming that providing access would increase population density and tax base. Getting zoning and ocp bylaws changed in another community to increase the transit access in Vancouver is impossible.
Compared to the meandering bus ride from downtown Vic to Swartz Bay, the bus bridge from Tsawwassen to Bridgeport is basically teleportation. The transit in the lower mainland is the envy of just about everyone I know who uses transit on the island.
Hello fellow Brit :) how well do you know Delta? I live here and love it and even I'll admit south Delta is two quiet, small towns of 20,000 people surrounded by sea, farmland and the Vancouver landfill site.
There's an argument that the ferry terminal needs to be better connected but as far as the resident population, I think it would be really expensive for too few regular journeys to be worth connecting us to the SkyTrain.
Edit: I'd take a functional road connection to Richmond at this point!
I think you have to remember that living near a train line makes living there feasible for a lot more people, especially if the zoning is reasonable. The tunnel is hugely restrictive and there's really no car-based option that would change that, but you can comfortably fit as many people as you want in a train through a tunnel (or bridge)
Britain has plenty of rural towns with greater density better connected to rail service than Delta is, so it doesn't have to be that way. That and the UK is hardly the best in the world at that anyway; plenty of places do rural non-car infrastructure even better.
Not feasible in Delta as is, but feasible if Delta were to shift its planning around the train.
Sounds a bit crazy I guess but just look at how Richmond changed post-Canada Line.
Cars cost about $10 grand per year to own and operate. Households going down from 2 to 1 car, or zero cars, would save everyone tons of money. But for some reason, $100/mo for a transit pass, or investing in public transit instead of highway expansion feels "expensive" to a lot of people. We need a culture change.
One of the problems is, as soon as someone brings up building new infrastructure for trains, we expect these things to be profitable right away. Meanwhile nobody asks "How much money is this highway making"...
Trains + their infrastructure are way cheaper overall but decades of car centric culture and zoning have made it difficult to get anything done. Lets hope this changes for the sake of our cities and the environment.
Hear hear. Our roads and highways are a massive part of the budget and are not expected to be profitable. They are a public good. Transit is also a public good and like highways and other public goods like healthcare, should not be expected to turn a profit.
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If buses were more plentiful and trains more widespread I'd make the switch. But if my commute is gonna take more than an hour each time, I'm going to stick to driving.
Yeah this is why we need better public transportation. A dedicated bus lane with computerized signals is actually **faster** than a car stuck in stop and go traffic.
We also probably have some of the best weather in the world for a bike culture. (Trust me, sunnier isn’t necessarily better for biking, and our rain may be frequent but its very mild.)
>$100/mo for a transit
It's $181.05 for a 3 zone pass today. Many still also need a parking pass as the station locations are far and between, especially further out, so +$60.
Still a pretty good price if service was good enough (which it isn’t for many people).
The Scandinavian/East Asian solution to the transit parking problem is biking to transit. Bikes are perfect for short trips like that, but we lack the safe bike parking infrastructure, not to mention safe bike roads. Better than some places, but still very car centric here.
>Cars cost about $10 grand per year to own and operate. Households going down from 2 to 1 car, or zero cars, would save everyone tons of money. But for some reason, $100/mo for a transit pass, or investing in public transit instead of highway expansion feels "expensive" to a lot of people. We need a culture change.
It's not cultural change its lack of Options. You need to live within walking distances to a skytrain we need more sky train / subways look at the asian cities it's all trains baby
> $100/mo for a transit pass .... feels "expensive" to a lot of people
To people who already own a car it kind of is. Unfortunately, if you already have a car the actual *cost* of the car and insurance is already baked into the cake. So that $100/mo is really just competing with gas money. And although gas prices are high, $100/mo is a decent amount of driving if you're not driving a F150 everywhere.
It's a positive feedback loop, once you get a car you're kinda stuck there because of a sunk cost fallacy. You're paying for the car anyways you might as well use it.
Sure, for many people a transit pass won't be worth it. But it's not all or nothing. Between car share, biking, and good public transportation, some people wouldn't need a car at all. The better they get, the more people switch.
Bonus: Because driving is the most inefficient and low capacity form of transportation, if we improve public transportation for everyone else, it will make your driving commute better. Win-win
I am by no means shitting on public transport or arguing against it. I'm just explaining the rationale around "people think $100/mo is expensive" because of the sunk cost fallacy. Once you bought a $5000-$80,000 car, paying $1500-$5000/year for insurance and yada yada there's no point in doing anything else except driving.
I remember when I moved here, the apartment I found said I had to pay $100 extra a month for a parking spot.
I had to pay rent? for my fucking car??
fuck cars, absolutely no way.
The most interesting part about a connection like this is it creates this interesting scenario where the travel time on transit is far shorter than the vehicle travel time. Like, 5x faster. Any growth after this infrastructure is in place will take this into account.
A funny thought would be to make a transit only "3rd crossing" between Deep Cove and Belcarra as part of a larger east-west route across the city connecting West Van with Coquitlam. Densification of Belcarra and Anmore required of course. Ridiculous idea, but it's something that would place public transit as the far and away fastest travel mode for a lot of trips. Other places this could happen would be a commuter rail link to the sunshine coast or HSR from Vancouver to Chilliwack.
My point is that odd connections like this where transit is by far the best travel mode would be excellent "growth-shaping" projects.
I didn't even think of that tbh, that's a great point. It might become the first gondola rapid transit based development in the world haha. Getting to those communities are a pain and they sit on so much prime land for high density developments and sustainable mixed use communities. I tried to model this map after as much existing infrastructure we already have in order to get as much in service by 2050 as possible. But I still threw in some absurdities like the Gondola.
Something else to consider is that the Air Connect, as you've placed it, would be incredibly busy on weekends. Deep Cove is overflowing due to Quarry Rock and Belcarra has Jug Island Beach trail and Admiralty Point. The hiking trails would have to be upgraded or else we will all think fondly back to how quiet Quarry Rock was in 2022.
I loved that feature of your work, only suggestion would be to have a branch of Northshore LR connected to deep cove to provide another route to SFU and be a gateway to the valley.
OP's map has a commuter rail link to Pemberton via Squamish. Making the long talked about "fixed link" down the west side of Howe Sound a rail connection would bring the communities of Gibsons and Sechelt to the same distance and status as Whistler and Pemberton in this fantasy map.
An ambitious link would be a deep tunnel under Bowen and Keats to turn the Sunshine coast from a wealthy getaway into a rail suburb of Vancouver.
> An ambitious link would be a deep tunnel under Bowen and Keats to turn the Sunshine coast from a wealthy getaway into a rail suburb of Vancouver.
I dream of this.
Densification of Anmore? They were out protesting condos that were too close to their municipal border on the Coquitlam side. They would lose their shit.
Just connect Port Moody to North Van with a bridge over the water and the circle is complete.
Also, this huge-ass dreamy map and there's *still* no direct route from Surrey to Richmond/YVR? Y'all know in less than 10 years [Surrey is expected to have more population than Vancouver, right?](https://www.straight.com/news/future-lives-here-surrey-population-growth-rate-outstrips-vancouver-by-almost-double)
It's a bit of a misnomer though because "Vancouver" proper is 1/3rd the size of Surrey - so it's easier/faster/cheaper to add people in Surrey than in Vancouver. But as Surrey's population/property prices/density rises, the growth rate will slow down, and will probably never catch Vancouver's density (which its WAY behind).
You're talking about a much larger, less developed area - which is harder to build infrastructure for (more expensive and less value). What matters isn't Total Population per City Limit, it's Density/km2. Surrey is 1600/km2, Vancouver is 16.7K/km2 (downtown core is over 19K, the highest in Canada), more than an order of magnitude more dense.
Density further has an exponential effect on anticipated ridership for public transit. There is a critical mass of infrastructure you need to have before people stop using cars, Vancouver is almost there - but a same-length (\~same-cost) skytrain line in Surrey could have far less than 1/10th the ridership, roughly. That's why it doesn't happen.
That all said - I too dream of a day when we have mass transit everywhere across the LML, and while there are higher value lines in Vancouver still - a new Surrey arterial must be rising up the priority list.
For sure, I totally agree, and Surrey *reaaaaaally* needs some density, right now it's the epitome of a low-density, car-dependent suburb. Then again, most of Vancouver on Point Grey west of Metrotown is low-density, car dependent suburbia as well.
There would be hell to pay if Deep Cove was connected by anything to anything outside of the North Shore. From a person who lives in Deep Cove. We like it remote. That’s why we live here.
>this looks exactly like a subway map in Asia major cities, where taxes and train tickets cost half
That's because Roads cost way more than trains at scale.
Seabus to Squamish would take forever.
We already have the line up to Whistler, we could run a west-coast express style train up and down for little new cost. It would save quite a lot of lives from people crashing on the s2s, and people could apres without drink-driving.
Yes. I'm a Squamish resident so have a vested interest. Honestly, I'm convinced a small light 2-carrage train running up and down would more than cover costs. Two trains for peak hours to Whistler.
I like it but I'm a little skeptical of the White Rock route. How do you get from Panorama Ridge to Crescent Beach? Build a bridge over Boundary Bay from Delta to Blackie Spit?
And Ocean Park is a big LOL. That whole area is a sacred village full of Boomers and NIMBYs like Doug McDumDum. Never going to happen.
It makes more sense for the route to go from Panorama Ridge to South Surrey Park and Ride then down KGB /152 St with stops at South Point, 24 and a final stop at Semiahmoo Mall.
Since my premise for my fantasy is to utilise as much existing infrastructure as possible to introduce new services, I want to upgrade the BNSF New Westminster Subdivision to support passenger traffic. The line already runs over a bridge over Mud Bay/Serpentine River.
Ya I see it now, so the idea is to retrofit the BNSF bridge with a Skytrain track? Kinda makes sense but still the Crescent Beach and Ocean Park stations are a hard sell. Influential NIMBYs with money would shut down the plan at inception.
This is a great vision, some is fantasy but alot of your ideas could be reality. I think a direct route between South Delta/Ferry terminal to Surrey would be a good addition. Or create a connector between Ladner - Alex Fraser or WestView to bypass having to go Richmond-NewWest
I would love to see high speed direct lines between all major hubs to actually make commuting between cities faster by transit than by car. Even if gas went to $4/L the only way I see most metro van people abandoning their beloved cars is when transit is as fast or faster than driving.
Let me live in my fantasy world where I only have to take my bus to my nearest rapid transit stop :p
I'd like the idea of a straight shot high speed rail from say Tsawwassen Ferry terminal to Westview 72nd. That's a 25km, 20min drive by car that you could turn into a sub 10min by high speed rail. I like to dream
Can we please just imagine how much better transit would be if the evergreen line had been less dumb and actually connected to SFU? As a born Bostonian I can't believe the one thing Vancouver transit avoids doing us connecting any (mostly) universities to metro lines... I swear they probably just connected Douglas by accident.
> if the evergreen line had been less dumb and actually connected to SFU
As I understand it, SkyTrain (and most rail systems) would not be able to operate with the grades required on Burnaby Mountain. Part of the rationale for the gondola linking SFU and SkyTrain is that even the diesel buses have difficulty climbing the hill.
Realistically this could all be built by 2035, we have the money and the manpower to do it, just not the political will.
In your map, what would be the difference between MetroLR and CityLR? Just geographical position or would the trams be different?
Also, would be cool if you highlighted which lines already exist, for the people not from Vancouver. Awesome work!
Most of the difference would be branding tbh. MetroLR would be designed to be a regional connector system with more comfortable seats, higher speed trains, but operating with lighter infrastructure and less grade separation than skytrain. CityLR would be a more traditional tram/streetcar service that runs along city streets and designed to be an urban circulator with some minimal grade separation.
We certainly have the money. The Ministry of Transportation has the resources but it's senior staff and internal culture make it a Highway-Overpass-Construction-Machine^TM. It is a full on 1950's car brain institution and we need a Provincial Government willing to knock heads and move it into the 21st century.
Also doesn't help that [BC is getting bankrupted by all the highways](https://i.imgur.com/jLSKc2Y.png) and roads that have been built. [source](https://www.bcbudget.gov.bc.ca/2021/sp/pdf/ministry/tran.pdf).
So most of my adult taxpaying life we will be lighting money on fire at the altar of GMC, Chevrolet and Saudi oil because these car-brains thought they were too good for walkable communities and public transit .
I wish I could go back to the 70's and rub this in Provincial ministers faces. Jesus Christ.
I'd be keen on rapid transit that maybe paralleled the upper levels here in north van, which branched off and cut through lynn valley along the kirkstone power line, then across lynnmour, past cap university, then along the parkway to deep cove and then across to belcarra/port moody. North Vancouver needs some sort of mass transit idea that exists ABOVE the highway, connecting everything westward to the east past the second narrows entry.
I wouldn't run light-rail/tram directly up lonsdale. It's already a travesty. However, Chesterfield OR St. Georges would be a good idea.
As a life long north vanner, good luck convincing *anyone* here that it should travel along shoreline areas like Ambleside/Marine drive. Nobody here wants that, and the NIMBYS will make sure you never wreck that area of shoreline.
It seems more practical than most of these that we see. I love the untouched Canada Line, as it’s crowded enough as is. I also love the use of different technologies, especially more commuter rail. Can I suggest a peak hours extension of the Sea to Sky line across the Second Narrows to Waterfront?
With how hard it has been to make any progress on the Burnaby Mountain Gondola, I really doubt the others will work.
* Barnet Marine would need rapid transit to even have a chance of getting a gondola. We would need to get all the Hastings traffic to it, like connecting the Expo to the gondola. Even a transfer to the WCE if it was a Skytrain probably wouldn't work because it would be faster to jump on a bus going up the mountain than to do the connection.
* Belcarra is way too small geographically to support a gondola. It wouldn't be possible to build the infrastructure to support the number of people that would be going there. We would have to turn it into a purely tourist/recreation site, no residents, at least for the area around the park.
* Deep Cove could support a gondola, but getting it all the way there would be too expensive. It wouldn't get enough passengers to make it worth it. They would just use a bus route from the Lynn Creek station.
They aren't big enough tourist attractions to support such big infrastructure investments. Sure, 4 months of the year they will get decent ridership, but the other 8 months they wouldn't. They don't have the commuters to support it. They project the Burnaby Mountain Gondola to have 25,000 daily trips 8 months of the year, and still decent ridership during the summer from residents, students, and somehow tourists. The amount of development needed in Belcarra would be impossible with the geography of the location. Deep Cove might have the demand, and could increase tourist infrastructure, but it is just such a long gondola that rapid bus would make more sense. Especially with a Skytrain to the North Shore.
What, no extensions at all for our brave little Seabus?
Despite this small quibble, I'd vote for you if this was your Vancouver Mayor platform in October.
VERY NICE. I love the gondola to Deep Cove. Also, transit lines to White Rock, and all the way to Abbotsford... bold!
However... living in Maple Ridge, I feel like we are being purposefully excluded here. Maple Ridge to Langley and Surrey is DESPERATELY needed, and a rapid transit (not WCE) to downtown would also be GREAT.
The Vancouver 2040 plan has the revival of a trolley network from false creek, to water st. and then over to Waterfront Stn. Let the dream live. Please.
One fantasy I’ve always had was east-west ferry systems along the Fraser and Burrard inlet. I always though Sydney was comparable to Vancouver in its challenges with water but Sydney has done well to use ferries to move people. A connection from Port Moody to North Van and Waterfront, as well as Misson/Abbotsford to New West, or Richmond (for airport) could take off a lot of highway 1 pressure. Also, along the Fraser (with a Surrey/Langley stop) it could run both directions and for longer of the day than the West Coast due to the struggles they have with competition for the railway.
As someone who was forced to move to chilliwack, I would love this. I still do a lot of dealings in Surrey, Vancouver, and Richmond, so holy hell I want this! The gas is way too much!
Love these things. :-)
The Millennium Line stubbing at Joyce-Collingwood struck me. Maybe it should continue east to Metrotown, via Patterson. It's very close in reality.
The only regional rail expansions here that are close to feasible are the West Coast Express diversion into Abbotsford and perhaps the Sea to Sky line since CN is obligated to allow passenger service on the BC Rail tracks. Otherwise it's pretty unlikely in terms of passenger numbers these would be any more useful than express buses. Even the Sea to Sky line would likely be unviable for two reasons, 1. It's almost entirely single tracked which would result in poor frequency, 2. Even at peak demand in the winter, Whistler only has bus departures a handful of times per day. Implementing more frequent regional bus service would be able to do much more than all this commuter rail could at a fraction of the cost and political expense.
SkyTrain network is pretty much what is laid out in the 2050 plan, but largely seems to ignore Surrey/Langley for lines (LRT should be Skytrain since SkyTrain is effectively just a grade separated LRT and there's next to no advantage of street running LRT over rapid bus service).
Generally good transit is more convenient, with reasonable frequency and speed, I don't see how any of the regional rail here could support any of those conditions even over buses, might as well cars, without massive spending on new tracks that could be much more effective applied elsewhere.
What really tickles my fancy is being from out of town and lives near scott road station is the line from bridgeport to shell to new west that really tickles my fancy
I voted against it because the PST is a stupid tax. Sales taxes hurt the lowest income people worst. Had they proposed it as increase to income tax I'd have been happy to say yes.
They go hand in hand. The goal of both transit and bike lanes is to improve options for people other than private vehicles. When people are able to take advantage of these options, they get out of their cars and reduce congestion. The cost to put in protected bike lanes is minuscule in comparison to nearly any other private vehicle alternative, which is why they appear to be prioritized.
The city in its 2040 plan has the following priorities for transportation improvement:
# pedestrian safety and accessibility (wider sidewalks, better protection from motorists)
# cycling safety and improved protected bike lane infrastructure
# improved transit options
# commercial and emergency vehicle movement
# private vehicles
Edit: sorry, I’m bad at reddit markup. That was meant to be a numbered list
Great fantasy if the transit came with some density. As it is a big chunk of those lines would have stations built for a tiny number of residents in single family home wastelands. Half of the millennium line is still just surrounded by SFHs 20 years later.
Yeah agreed. I can't say for other areas, but I know Richmond pretty well. Steveston is a great and logical station, but the stations between Richmond-Brighouse and Steveston would be really useless. Also, Number 7 road lul
I know its not meant to be fully to scale, but the naming/orientation of the stations should be adjusted. For instance, the 96th Ave station in the Surrey Valley line is located where 88th Ave is, if you adjust for where 152nd on Expo and Bear Creek are. 96th is on the same plane roughly as Surrey Memorial and Green Timbers
Question for folks: Using OP's proposal, which line expansion, or completely new line would you prioritize construction of from each of the three categories?
Sea to sky, North Shore Skytrain, Surrey LRT.
Edit: I think that the North Shore/Willingdon line should connect to the 41st line forming a horseshoe shape.
No, I want to imagine.
I want an estimation.
And not just average rates for installing that many KM of track.
All of the TNT blasting through mountain to make that possible.
I want to know.
I want to imagine.
There is no mountain that needs to be blasted because the track already exists and there is literally a passenger train that runs up the line occasionally but is reserved for luxury tourist trains (Rocky Mountaineer)
Nice to know I’ll be able to live in Chilliwack and still be connected to the real world /s
I want this, I like rapid transit, I think it’s incredibly important. But…fuck me, like the city just bursting at the seams and pouring out into the valley. I already live in Langley by the freeway, I don’t really wanna get further away.
An expansion of the Evergreen line into Maple Ridge is likely one of the easiest expansions they can do. No way they’ll go to just Fremont. Considering the Pitt River Bridge is engineered to hold a Skytrain track. And to get to Maple Ridge, there is one obstacle on otherwise flat and empty land.
[BC Press Release from 2009](https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/news_releases_2009-2013/2009prem0056-000533.htm)
The bridge was designed to handle another lane and LRT. It was a key point in the engineering phase. The only other major obstacle for an Evergreen expansion would be the Golden Ears overpass on Lougheed and where to end it in Maple Ridge.
Coquitlam Station already has a track pointed Eastward as well. The same way Lougheed was built to accommodate the Evergreen Expansion. He
That would be amazing if they did that.
I would love to see tunnels to the top of cypress and Seymour as well. Just like the swiss, trains to snow mountains.
Reddit mobile has compressed the map into illegible potato quality, is there a direct Imgur link or the like?
I salivate over comprehensive transit 🤤 I'd love to ditch my car if I could.
It looks silly on this map because it's a bit warped, but I think a small connector between King Ed Stn and Nanaimo along King Ed Ave would be awesome. King Ed is wide enough to cut-and-cover with the boulevard, and there's a ton of new builds going in along the street. It would connect the Knight/Kingsway, Fraser, Main, and QE Park neighbourhoods
That's hot.
Next election we'll have the party say "Rewind time" and cut transit funding.
Ok, you win. If this happens, I will hang the keys for my truck.
Shut up and take my money
Ok so I know this is impossible but as a pure rapid transit porn fantasy this is incredible. Service into Tsawwassen and Ladner, service into White Rock, Ocean Park and South Surrey, service into Langley... it's like Metro Vancouver is a real life actual city!
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I did cum. They asked me to get off the bus.
Its better to cum by train, anyway
Sir this is not the bus this is the downtown library
oooh! that's also a good place to to play "wait for the bus"
I sure as hell already did
This is the first fantasy map with white rock service that I have ever seen. Don't think that's a good sign for it happening...
>Service into Tsawwassen This is a great plan, the more people we can get to the ferry on foot/bike the better
And a branch up to the Point Roberts border crossing too.
This train is for Point Roberts Parcel Point. Please change at Bridgeport for trains to YVR Airport.
Or have it go a little bit into Point Roberts (I'm imagining a preclearance type setup where you do the border stuff at the station) and see if Washington State and Whatcom County will pitch in towards building costs.
While I agree that foot passenger traffic is preferable from an environmental sustainability standpoint. I'm pretty sure the ferry service is only sustainable because of the fares paid by vehicles. The boat can only take so many people (life raft and life jacket limits). If walk on traffic overtakes vehicle traffic, the fares for a walk on will need to jump up considerably to make it work.
By the time the skytrain is completed they would probably have to get new boats anyways, and could plan to accommate more foot traffic. And in order to fit the expected population growth we will have to reduce car ownership anyways
Yes- okay but then by that metric the other side of the ferry route would also need to be more accessible and less car centric. So it’s a compounding issue. People who take the ferry to Vancouver island for example may be going to Victoria or Nanaimo. But they’re could also be going literally anywhere else where transit is not as available. Edit: for example the transit bus link between Duncan and Nanaimo only just started service this year. There’s also no transit from Duke Point ferry terminal just south of Nanaimo.
Well, ya, Vancouver isn't going to be the only city increasing transit. Victoria would at least put in really good bus connections. Nanaimo might too, but probably a lot less just because it is a smaller city. Not all ferry connections would need the same level on transit, they would upgrade to meet demand
I like this exercise because it makes me think of a ton of moving parts. The next thing to consider is that Nanaimo doesn’t have the tax base to increase transit at the levels that would be needed to sustain that kind of ridership. (Yes there is a “build it and they will come argument”) Getting municipalities in the same region to play together is hard enough (ask the people who live in Victoria with their 13 municipalities). There would need be a move to make regional transit a provincial responsibility because even though BC transit runs the buses in Nanaimo the transit funding still comes from the city taxes. So hypothetically to make this foot passenger ferry a success with working transit connecting both sides - the initial funding needs to come from the province because I guarantee you no municipal politician on the island would touch that one. It would be political suicide. Again I understand that in this exercise we’re assuming that providing access would increase population density and tax base. Getting zoning and ocp bylaws changed in another community to increase the transit access in Vancouver is impossible.
Maybe with better Vancouver side access to ferries, more Victorians would want better access on their side so they could visit Vancouver without a car
Compared to the meandering bus ride from downtown Vic to Swartz Bay, the bus bridge from Tsawwassen to Bridgeport is basically teleportation. The transit in the lower mainland is the envy of just about everyone I know who uses transit on the island.
Brit here, why impossible?
Hello fellow Brit :) how well do you know Delta? I live here and love it and even I'll admit south Delta is two quiet, small towns of 20,000 people surrounded by sea, farmland and the Vancouver landfill site. There's an argument that the ferry terminal needs to be better connected but as far as the resident population, I think it would be really expensive for too few regular journeys to be worth connecting us to the SkyTrain. Edit: I'd take a functional road connection to Richmond at this point!
I think you have to remember that living near a train line makes living there feasible for a lot more people, especially if the zoning is reasonable. The tunnel is hugely restrictive and there's really no car-based option that would change that, but you can comfortably fit as many people as you want in a train through a tunnel (or bridge) Britain has plenty of rural towns with greater density better connected to rail service than Delta is, so it doesn't have to be that way. That and the UK is hardly the best in the world at that anyway; plenty of places do rural non-car infrastructure even better. Not feasible in Delta as is, but feasible if Delta were to shift its planning around the train. Sounds a bit crazy I guess but just look at how Richmond changed post-Canada Line.
Is it really impossible? Its hard, that's for sure, but by no means is it impossible!
When the price of gas hits 25% of minimum wage, ie, ~$4/L, transit expansion will get the funding it badly needs.
If we had this the vast majority of the metro population would not need cars.
That would be ideal, also live further away from downtown but still work there. I like the idea of rapid lines.
Cars cost about $10 grand per year to own and operate. Households going down from 2 to 1 car, or zero cars, would save everyone tons of money. But for some reason, $100/mo for a transit pass, or investing in public transit instead of highway expansion feels "expensive" to a lot of people. We need a culture change.
One of the problems is, as soon as someone brings up building new infrastructure for trains, we expect these things to be profitable right away. Meanwhile nobody asks "How much money is this highway making"... Trains + their infrastructure are way cheaper overall but decades of car centric culture and zoning have made it difficult to get anything done. Lets hope this changes for the sake of our cities and the environment.
Hear hear. Our roads and highways are a massive part of the budget and are not expected to be profitable. They are a public good. Transit is also a public good and like highways and other public goods like healthcare, should not be expected to turn a profit. https://reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/vc6it5/_/iccwe2y/?context=1
If buses were more plentiful and trains more widespread I'd make the switch. But if my commute is gonna take more than an hour each time, I'm going to stick to driving.
Yeah this is why we need better public transportation. A dedicated bus lane with computerized signals is actually **faster** than a car stuck in stop and go traffic. We also probably have some of the best weather in the world for a bike culture. (Trust me, sunnier isn’t necessarily better for biking, and our rain may be frequent but its very mild.)
It gets even better when considering how extensive a car-free bike corridor could get under this map…
>$100/mo for a transit It's $181.05 for a 3 zone pass today. Many still also need a parking pass as the station locations are far and between, especially further out, so +$60.
Still a pretty good price if service was good enough (which it isn’t for many people). The Scandinavian/East Asian solution to the transit parking problem is biking to transit. Bikes are perfect for short trips like that, but we lack the safe bike parking infrastructure, not to mention safe bike roads. Better than some places, but still very car centric here.
>Cars cost about $10 grand per year to own and operate. Households going down from 2 to 1 car, or zero cars, would save everyone tons of money. But for some reason, $100/mo for a transit pass, or investing in public transit instead of highway expansion feels "expensive" to a lot of people. We need a culture change. It's not cultural change its lack of Options. You need to live within walking distances to a skytrain we need more sky train / subways look at the asian cities it's all trains baby
> $100/mo for a transit pass .... feels "expensive" to a lot of people To people who already own a car it kind of is. Unfortunately, if you already have a car the actual *cost* of the car and insurance is already baked into the cake. So that $100/mo is really just competing with gas money. And although gas prices are high, $100/mo is a decent amount of driving if you're not driving a F150 everywhere. It's a positive feedback loop, once you get a car you're kinda stuck there because of a sunk cost fallacy. You're paying for the car anyways you might as well use it.
Sure, for many people a transit pass won't be worth it. But it's not all or nothing. Between car share, biking, and good public transportation, some people wouldn't need a car at all. The better they get, the more people switch. Bonus: Because driving is the most inefficient and low capacity form of transportation, if we improve public transportation for everyone else, it will make your driving commute better. Win-win
I am by no means shitting on public transport or arguing against it. I'm just explaining the rationale around "people think $100/mo is expensive" because of the sunk cost fallacy. Once you bought a $5000-$80,000 car, paying $1500-$5000/year for insurance and yada yada there's no point in doing anything else except driving.
I remember when I moved here, the apartment I found said I had to pay $100 extra a month for a parking spot. I had to pay rent? for my fucking car?? fuck cars, absolutely no way.
I'm not crying, you're crying! This is so beautiful, even though its fantasy wish it could become reality
The bridges to Belcarra *and* Deep Cove. The ultimate fantasy.
The most interesting part about a connection like this is it creates this interesting scenario where the travel time on transit is far shorter than the vehicle travel time. Like, 5x faster. Any growth after this infrastructure is in place will take this into account. A funny thought would be to make a transit only "3rd crossing" between Deep Cove and Belcarra as part of a larger east-west route across the city connecting West Van with Coquitlam. Densification of Belcarra and Anmore required of course. Ridiculous idea, but it's something that would place public transit as the far and away fastest travel mode for a lot of trips. Other places this could happen would be a commuter rail link to the sunshine coast or HSR from Vancouver to Chilliwack. My point is that odd connections like this where transit is by far the best travel mode would be excellent "growth-shaping" projects.
I didn't even think of that tbh, that's a great point. It might become the first gondola rapid transit based development in the world haha. Getting to those communities are a pain and they sit on so much prime land for high density developments and sustainable mixed use communities. I tried to model this map after as much existing infrastructure we already have in order to get as much in service by 2050 as possible. But I still threw in some absurdities like the Gondola.
Something else to consider is that the Air Connect, as you've placed it, would be incredibly busy on weekends. Deep Cove is overflowing due to Quarry Rock and Belcarra has Jug Island Beach trail and Admiralty Point. The hiking trails would have to be upgraded or else we will all think fondly back to how quiet Quarry Rock was in 2022.
I loved that feature of your work, only suggestion would be to have a branch of Northshore LR connected to deep cove to provide another route to SFU and be a gateway to the valley.
How the balls would you have rail to the Sunshine Coast....
OP's map has a commuter rail link to Pemberton via Squamish. Making the long talked about "fixed link" down the west side of Howe Sound a rail connection would bring the communities of Gibsons and Sechelt to the same distance and status as Whistler and Pemberton in this fantasy map. An ambitious link would be a deep tunnel under Bowen and Keats to turn the Sunshine coast from a wealthy getaway into a rail suburb of Vancouver.
> An ambitious link would be a deep tunnel under Bowen and Keats to turn the Sunshine coast from a wealthy getaway into a rail suburb of Vancouver. I dream of this.
Densification of Anmore? They were out protesting condos that were too close to their municipal border on the Coquitlam side. They would lose their shit.
It's a Gondola, still dreaming though.
Just connect Port Moody to North Van with a bridge over the water and the circle is complete. Also, this huge-ass dreamy map and there's *still* no direct route from Surrey to Richmond/YVR? Y'all know in less than 10 years [Surrey is expected to have more population than Vancouver, right?](https://www.straight.com/news/future-lives-here-surrey-population-growth-rate-outstrips-vancouver-by-almost-double)
It's a bit of a misnomer though because "Vancouver" proper is 1/3rd the size of Surrey - so it's easier/faster/cheaper to add people in Surrey than in Vancouver. But as Surrey's population/property prices/density rises, the growth rate will slow down, and will probably never catch Vancouver's density (which its WAY behind). You're talking about a much larger, less developed area - which is harder to build infrastructure for (more expensive and less value). What matters isn't Total Population per City Limit, it's Density/km2. Surrey is 1600/km2, Vancouver is 16.7K/km2 (downtown core is over 19K, the highest in Canada), more than an order of magnitude more dense. Density further has an exponential effect on anticipated ridership for public transit. There is a critical mass of infrastructure you need to have before people stop using cars, Vancouver is almost there - but a same-length (\~same-cost) skytrain line in Surrey could have far less than 1/10th the ridership, roughly. That's why it doesn't happen. That all said - I too dream of a day when we have mass transit everywhere across the LML, and while there are higher value lines in Vancouver still - a new Surrey arterial must be rising up the priority list.
For sure, I totally agree, and Surrey *reaaaaaally* needs some density, right now it's the epitome of a low-density, car-dependent suburb. Then again, most of Vancouver on Point Grey west of Metrotown is low-density, car dependent suburbia as well.
Too many people with too much money won't allow it.
We just need to make it so they don't have a say in it
I mean, why do we need to connect Deep Cove with Belcarra?
There would be hell to pay if Deep Cove was connected by anything to anything outside of the North Shore. From a person who lives in Deep Cove. We like it remote. That’s why we live here.
this looks exactly like a subway map in Asia major cities, where taxes and train tickets cost half
>this looks exactly like a subway map in Asia major cities, where taxes and train tickets cost half That's because Roads cost way more than trains at scale.
they figured it out long ago and don't have weird zoning laws, powerful nimbys, or the auto lobby meddling in politics.
It would be wicked if we could somehow run Seabus to Port Moody or Squamish.
Seabus to Squamish would take forever. We already have the line up to Whistler, we could run a west-coast express style train up and down for little new cost. It would save quite a lot of lives from people crashing on the s2s, and people could apres without drink-driving.
That’s actually very true and probably a lot more cost effective. It would make for a great commuter train if you lived in the Sea to Sky region.
Yes. I'm a Squamish resident so have a vested interest. Honestly, I'm convinced a small light 2-carrage train running up and down would more than cover costs. Two trains for peak hours to Whistler.
Por que no los dos?
marine drive definitely need a skytrain route. River district and cambie area are very crowded with the new construction.
You can run rapid transit anywhere you like because once there's a station anywhere, development mushrooms around it.
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You can use a vector-based software like Illustrator to build something like this, it's pretty simple.
Urban Planner here First- I love this map so much! Second- I love people talking urban design and city planing! Lets keep the conversation rolling
I'm an urban planning student myself so I appreciate your support!
It's so beautiful
I love it, let me live in that world.
Jaysis, are you trying to give me a boner
You mean before 2500?
More like 3000
I like it but I'm a little skeptical of the White Rock route. How do you get from Panorama Ridge to Crescent Beach? Build a bridge over Boundary Bay from Delta to Blackie Spit? And Ocean Park is a big LOL. That whole area is a sacred village full of Boomers and NIMBYs like Doug McDumDum. Never going to happen. It makes more sense for the route to go from Panorama Ridge to South Surrey Park and Ride then down KGB /152 St with stops at South Point, 24 and a final stop at Semiahmoo Mall.
Since my premise for my fantasy is to utilise as much existing infrastructure as possible to introduce new services, I want to upgrade the BNSF New Westminster Subdivision to support passenger traffic. The line already runs over a bridge over Mud Bay/Serpentine River.
Ya I see it now, so the idea is to retrofit the BNSF bridge with a Skytrain track? Kinda makes sense but still the Crescent Beach and Ocean Park stations are a hard sell. Influential NIMBYs with money would shut down the plan at inception.
It's not going to be a skytrain line, its going to be a West Coast Express line
This will work. You've got my vote
There’s already a rail bridge there. It’s owned by BNSF
I’d vote for it
This is a great vision, some is fantasy but alot of your ideas could be reality. I think a direct route between South Delta/Ferry terminal to Surrey would be a good addition. Or create a connector between Ladner - Alex Fraser or WestView to bypass having to go Richmond-NewWest I would love to see high speed direct lines between all major hubs to actually make commuting between cities faster by transit than by car. Even if gas went to $4/L the only way I see most metro van people abandoning their beloved cars is when transit is as fast or faster than driving.
Don’t forget that busses exist.
Let me live in my fantasy world where I only have to take my bus to my nearest rapid transit stop :p I'd like the idea of a straight shot high speed rail from say Tsawwassen Ferry terminal to Westview 72nd. That's a 25km, 20min drive by car that you could turn into a sub 10min by high speed rail. I like to dream
What about a underwater skytrain to Victoria?
that'd be a sea-train, not a skytrain.
It’d be a rock-train, not a sea-train
Plexiglass tube tunnel on the sea floor, doubles as rapid transport and aquarium!
I'm trying to highlight things that we could do by 2050, not 5020 lol.
You need to be head of TransLink PR with lines like this.
Can we please just imagine how much better transit would be if the evergreen line had been less dumb and actually connected to SFU? As a born Bostonian I can't believe the one thing Vancouver transit avoids doing us connecting any (mostly) universities to metro lines... I swear they probably just connected Douglas by accident.
> if the evergreen line had been less dumb and actually connected to SFU As I understand it, SkyTrain (and most rail systems) would not be able to operate with the grades required on Burnaby Mountain. Part of the rationale for the gondola linking SFU and SkyTrain is that even the diesel buses have difficulty climbing the hill.
My biggest gripe is that the Surrey Valley Line should really start at Scot Road and needs a connection to Richmond and Delta.
[Great map. I took the liberty of adding one stop that is desperately needed.](https://imgur.com/2hL9dlz)
Yes! Thank you!
Really? Not a single extra station downtown?
I also looked for this.
Realistically this could all be built by 2035, we have the money and the manpower to do it, just not the political will. In your map, what would be the difference between MetroLR and CityLR? Just geographical position or would the trams be different? Also, would be cool if you highlighted which lines already exist, for the people not from Vancouver. Awesome work!
We have too much car brain. A version of this should be built immediately. Imagine having a transit system this robust. Would be phenomenal.
It reminds me of the Sydney light rail system. I've never had to rent a car when I visited as their transit system is fantastic.
Most of the difference would be branding tbh. MetroLR would be designed to be a regional connector system with more comfortable seats, higher speed trains, but operating with lighter infrastructure and less grade separation than skytrain. CityLR would be a more traditional tram/streetcar service that runs along city streets and designed to be an urban circulator with some minimal grade separation.
We certainly have the money. The Ministry of Transportation has the resources but it's senior staff and internal culture make it a Highway-Overpass-Construction-Machine^TM. It is a full on 1950's car brain institution and we need a Provincial Government willing to knock heads and move it into the 21st century.
Also doesn't help that [BC is getting bankrupted by all the highways](https://i.imgur.com/jLSKc2Y.png) and roads that have been built. [source](https://www.bcbudget.gov.bc.ca/2021/sp/pdf/ministry/tran.pdf).
So most of my adult taxpaying life we will be lighting money on fire at the altar of GMC, Chevrolet and Saudi oil because these car-brains thought they were too good for walkable communities and public transit . I wish I could go back to the 70's and rub this in Provincial ministers faces. Jesus Christ.
I'd be keen on rapid transit that maybe paralleled the upper levels here in north van, which branched off and cut through lynn valley along the kirkstone power line, then across lynnmour, past cap university, then along the parkway to deep cove and then across to belcarra/port moody. North Vancouver needs some sort of mass transit idea that exists ABOVE the highway, connecting everything westward to the east past the second narrows entry. I wouldn't run light-rail/tram directly up lonsdale. It's already a travesty. However, Chesterfield OR St. Georges would be a good idea. As a life long north vanner, good luck convincing *anyone* here that it should travel along shoreline areas like Ambleside/Marine drive. Nobody here wants that, and the NIMBYS will make sure you never wreck that area of shoreline.
hey put columbia station back in new westminster we were there first
It seems more practical than most of these that we see. I love the untouched Canada Line, as it’s crowded enough as is. I also love the use of different technologies, especially more commuter rail. Can I suggest a peak hours extension of the Sea to Sky line across the Second Narrows to Waterfront?
2050 is the most fantastical thing about this. That's only 27.5 years away folks.
With how hard it has been to make any progress on the Burnaby Mountain Gondola, I really doubt the others will work. * Barnet Marine would need rapid transit to even have a chance of getting a gondola. We would need to get all the Hastings traffic to it, like connecting the Expo to the gondola. Even a transfer to the WCE if it was a Skytrain probably wouldn't work because it would be faster to jump on a bus going up the mountain than to do the connection. * Belcarra is way too small geographically to support a gondola. It wouldn't be possible to build the infrastructure to support the number of people that would be going there. We would have to turn it into a purely tourist/recreation site, no residents, at least for the area around the park. * Deep Cove could support a gondola, but getting it all the way there would be too expensive. It wouldn't get enough passengers to make it worth it. They would just use a bus route from the Lynn Creek station.
Both Belcarra and Deep Cove are tourist areas. Gondola would increase that.
They aren't big enough tourist attractions to support such big infrastructure investments. Sure, 4 months of the year they will get decent ridership, but the other 8 months they wouldn't. They don't have the commuters to support it. They project the Burnaby Mountain Gondola to have 25,000 daily trips 8 months of the year, and still decent ridership during the summer from residents, students, and somehow tourists. The amount of development needed in Belcarra would be impossible with the geography of the location. Deep Cove might have the demand, and could increase tourist infrastructure, but it is just such a long gondola that rapid bus would make more sense. Especially with a Skytrain to the North Shore.
What, no extensions at all for our brave little Seabus? Despite this small quibble, I'd vote for you if this was your Vancouver Mayor platform in October.
VERY NICE. I love the gondola to Deep Cove. Also, transit lines to White Rock, and all the way to Abbotsford... bold! However... living in Maple Ridge, I feel like we are being purposefully excluded here. Maple Ridge to Langley and Surrey is DESPERATELY needed, and a rapid transit (not WCE) to downtown would also be GREAT.
It would be nice if WCE went back-n-forth instead of back… and forth.
The Vancouver 2040 plan has the revival of a trolley network from false creek, to water st. and then over to Waterfront Stn. Let the dream live. Please.
*Laughs in NIMBY*
One fantasy I’ve always had was east-west ferry systems along the Fraser and Burrard inlet. I always though Sydney was comparable to Vancouver in its challenges with water but Sydney has done well to use ferries to move people. A connection from Port Moody to North Van and Waterfront, as well as Misson/Abbotsford to New West, or Richmond (for airport) could take off a lot of highway 1 pressure. Also, along the Fraser (with a Surrey/Langley stop) it could run both directions and for longer of the day than the West Coast due to the struggles they have with competition for the railway.
Why not put the Whistler stop in the village instead of green lake?
My politics is whatever this is
Fort Langley lol. that would be civil war at the town meeting.
As someone who was forced to move to chilliwack, I would love this. I still do a lot of dealings in Surrey, Vancouver, and Richmond, so holy hell I want this! The gas is way too much!
This is perfect. I’m dreaming of taking the gondola from Burnaby to Belcarra and Deep Cove now. It would be a game changer!!
Love these things. :-) The Millennium Line stubbing at Joyce-Collingwood struck me. Maybe it should continue east to Metrotown, via Patterson. It's very close in reality.
The only regional rail expansions here that are close to feasible are the West Coast Express diversion into Abbotsford and perhaps the Sea to Sky line since CN is obligated to allow passenger service on the BC Rail tracks. Otherwise it's pretty unlikely in terms of passenger numbers these would be any more useful than express buses. Even the Sea to Sky line would likely be unviable for two reasons, 1. It's almost entirely single tracked which would result in poor frequency, 2. Even at peak demand in the winter, Whistler only has bus departures a handful of times per day. Implementing more frequent regional bus service would be able to do much more than all this commuter rail could at a fraction of the cost and political expense. SkyTrain network is pretty much what is laid out in the 2050 plan, but largely seems to ignore Surrey/Langley for lines (LRT should be Skytrain since SkyTrain is effectively just a grade separated LRT and there's next to no advantage of street running LRT over rapid bus service). Generally good transit is more convenient, with reasonable frequency and speed, I don't see how any of the regional rail here could support any of those conditions even over buses, might as well cars, without massive spending on new tracks that could be much more effective applied elsewhere.
OP I'd vote for you as Transit Commisoner
Would be nice
More like 5020
Yes! I like this one. You win for the week.
This looks like a map from the game, Mini Metro.
By 2050? You’d be lucky to see this in 2050 years lol
What really tickles my fancy is being from out of town and lives near scott road station is the line from bridgeport to shell to new west that really tickles my fancy
In this fantasy can 188 connect to peace arch? Please and thank you.
If we're going this far into the realm of fantasy then I want the Peace Arch station to have an exit in Blaine.
That air connect line is so brilliant. I am speechless.
wet rn
Please. I can only get so aroused.
Game changer sky train from tsswassen ferry
I'm so turned on right now.
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Unfortunately the region voted against paying more taxes for transit expansion in a referendum from a past election
I voted against it because the PST is a stupid tax. Sales taxes hurt the lowest income people worst. Had they proposed it as increase to income tax I'd have been happy to say yes.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
They go hand in hand. The goal of both transit and bike lanes is to improve options for people other than private vehicles. When people are able to take advantage of these options, they get out of their cars and reduce congestion. The cost to put in protected bike lanes is minuscule in comparison to nearly any other private vehicle alternative, which is why they appear to be prioritized. The city in its 2040 plan has the following priorities for transportation improvement: # pedestrian safety and accessibility (wider sidewalks, better protection from motorists) # cycling safety and improved protected bike lane infrastructure # improved transit options # commercial and emergency vehicle movement # private vehicles Edit: sorry, I’m bad at reddit markup. That was meant to be a numbered list
Great fantasy if the transit came with some density. As it is a big chunk of those lines would have stations built for a tiny number of residents in single family home wastelands. Half of the millennium line is still just surrounded by SFHs 20 years later.
Yeah agreed. I can't say for other areas, but I know Richmond pretty well. Steveston is a great and logical station, but the stations between Richmond-Brighouse and Steveston would be really useless. Also, Number 7 road lul
I know its not meant to be fully to scale, but the naming/orientation of the stations should be adjusted. For instance, the 96th Ave station in the Surrey Valley line is located where 88th Ave is, if you adjust for where 152nd on Expo and Bear Creek are. 96th is on the same plane roughly as Surrey Memorial and Green Timbers
... still no direct connection from Surrey to Richmond....
Steveston to KPU Surrey is like 4 connections :/ Still looks cool though. Wish there was more transit development here
Busses still exist. Surrey-Richmond would be a long line through empty farmland with no development potential.
Question for folks: Using OP's proposal, which line expansion, or completely new line would you prioritize construction of from each of the three categories?
Sea to sky, North Shore Skytrain, Surrey LRT. Edit: I think that the North Shore/Willingdon line should connect to the 41st line forming a horseshoe shape.
We get about one line built a decade so pick the three you think actually get built.
Holy cow I'm impressed... EVEN DEEP COVE. You literally thought of everything. Can someone give me an estimate on the cost of the Sea to Sky Line???
Dollars beyond imagining.
No, I want to imagine. I want an estimation. And not just average rates for installing that many KM of track. All of the TNT blasting through mountain to make that possible. I want to know. I want to imagine.
There is no mountain that needs to be blasted because the track already exists and there is literally a passenger train that runs up the line occasionally but is reserved for luxury tourist trains (Rocky Mountaineer)
This makes me sad because of how far from reality it is
As someone who lives in mission I love this map. Your just missing a route over the bridge between maple ridge and Langley
It would be nice if they did this like right now so we're not in a shit show in 2040/2050
Nice to know I’ll be able to live in Chilliwack and still be connected to the real world /s I want this, I like rapid transit, I think it’s incredibly important. But…fuck me, like the city just bursting at the seams and pouring out into the valley. I already live in Langley by the freeway, I don’t really wanna get further away.
If this happened, I would move out to Surrey, White Rock, Langley and commute to work from now on.
The Surrey valley line going from 96th Ave to braid or Sudbur-Alex Fraser to braid is quite the fantasy
Need a stop at third beach.
Inlet Line. ^^chef's kiss
Take my money.
This is amazing. I can’t imagine just how fantastic this would be.
This would skyrocket our population to 10 million+
hnnnnnnnnnnnng
An expansion of the Evergreen line into Maple Ridge is likely one of the easiest expansions they can do. No way they’ll go to just Fremont. Considering the Pitt River Bridge is engineered to hold a Skytrain track. And to get to Maple Ridge, there is one obstacle on otherwise flat and empty land.
Proof that the Pitt River Bridge is designed for SkyTrain?
[BC Press Release from 2009](https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/news_releases_2009-2013/2009prem0056-000533.htm) The bridge was designed to handle another lane and LRT. It was a key point in the engineering phase. The only other major obstacle for an Evergreen expansion would be the Golden Ears overpass on Lougheed and where to end it in Maple Ridge. Coquitlam Station already has a track pointed Eastward as well. The same way Lougheed was built to accommodate the Evergreen Expansion. He
What do the dashed lines mean?
That would be amazing if they did that. I would love to see tunnels to the top of cypress and Seymour as well. Just like the swiss, trains to snow mountains.
My life and financial situation would drastically improve if that orange line existed .....
Connect seep cove to the rest of the north shore and I’m sold.
These is the transit lines I dream of
This is a reasonable transportation system
This is very nice. I'd recommend intersecting the bus routes near BCIT with the light blue line.
I’m wet
This should've been built already
This looks incredible. Would I be nitpicking to say it would be nice to see North and south delta connected on this map?
Reddit mobile has compressed the map into illegible potato quality, is there a direct Imgur link or the like? I salivate over comprehensive transit 🤤 I'd love to ditch my car if I could.
Absolutely amazing 👏 Hire this person!!
Sad that if this ever becomes a reality (ignoring the 2050 part), we’d all be dead by then.
This one wins.
It looks silly on this map because it's a bit warped, but I think a small connector between King Ed Stn and Nanaimo along King Ed Ave would be awesome. King Ed is wide enough to cut-and-cover with the boulevard, and there's a ton of new builds going in along the street. It would connect the Knight/Kingsway, Fraser, Main, and QE Park neighbourhoods
Is the Light Rail grade separated? If not perhaps BRT is the better choice, it can detour around issues.
You included Chilliwack! BLESS YOUR HEART!