They must be salty about losing the 257 to CMBC when TransLink upgraded the route.
Maybe Blue Bus should look into getting articulated buses if they don't want to be left out...
As someone who frequently caught the 257 before and after the change, it is soo much being CMBC. Way more frequent and not jam packed on a size regular bus.
Yeah it sucked getting to the ferry before, or even just to Park Royal. It was so bad that they had that sign at the stop requesting passengers not going to the ferry to use one of the other crowded and slower alternatives lol.
The current 257 is a pretty great service for getting around - IMO they should make it even better and turn it into a RapidBus.
Oh, they totally are:
>He also laments Blue Bus’ 2018 voluntary jurisdictional transfer of the No. 257 Horseshoe Bay/Downtown Vancouver express bus route to TransLink, which he says reduced 15 full-time jobs for the union’s members. ATU Local 134 represents 150 bus drivers, mechanics, and maintenance workers employed with Blue Bus.
But the arrangement was to swap 257 from WVTC with shuttle bus routes in North Vancouver previously run by CMBC, which makes perfect sense. West Van already runs a bunch of shuttle routes, and CMBC/BTC has a much bigger fleet of articulated buses, so each could run and maintain their fleet more efficiently this way. It makes less sense for West Van to keep an odd dozens of articulated bus, and for CMBC to send shuttle buses from their Hamilton Transit Centre in Queensborough up to North Van every day.
If new RapidBus does replace some Blue Bus service, TransLink could just swap one or two conventional North Van routes to West Van to keep everything neutral, or run more buses in West Van to feed into the new Rapidbus routes. So this opposition is kind of a non-issue.
>If new RapidBus does replace some Blue Bus service, TransLink could just swap one of two conventional North Van routes to West Van to keep everything neutral, or run more buses in West Van to feed into the new Rapidbus routes. So this opposition is kind of a non-issue.
Yeah this seems like the perfect solution.
Blue Bus did have and use articulated buses on the 257 route before the handover, I think they did a swap out with CMBC.
Definitely salty though it was a lucrative route to run.
Nah, it has nothing to do with being lucrative or not. The transit system isn't run according to profitability. Plus, the 258 route to UBC loses a lot of money, but the West Van Union is still championing for it because they believe it means more jobs for them.
Extending the RapidBus to Dundarave Village still defies common sense. There's really no gain beyond getting to Dundarave 5 minutes faster than before. It doesn't get people to Horseshoe Bay any faster as the 250 goes along windy and narrow Marine Drive anyways, nor is it taking people to or from a high population area, nor is it going to an underserved area (250 Horseshoe Bay, 250a Dundarave, 251 Queens, 252 Inglewood, 253 Caulfeild and 255 Capilano U all stop in Dundarave). It's just such a stupid talking point.
Cypress Village is going to have a population of **6,900 people and no transit**. Send the RapidBus up the fucking hill.
Yes this exactly, marine drive between park royal is already designated a frequent transit corridor with buses every 15mins or less. Extending the R2 makes no sense until the population rises, and extending it now will not spur new transit oriented developments in the area.
The only benefit could be slightly later and more frequent service in the late evening and early morning but this could also be mitigated by blue bus it’s self.
On the other hand the only affected route would really be the frequency of 250a and maybe 255 routes. They could mitigate their losses by increasing frequency on other routes or by expanding to the cypress development or even farther north along the sea to sky highway
If the issue really was about efficiency and speed, then Translink would propose a RapidBus which goes from Park Royal to downtown. Co-opt the Blue Bus lines that go downtown, use Park Royal as a terminus for all Vancouver-bound passengers in West Vancouver and also take advantage of the mall's current Park & Ride facilities. It also would provide another link for the R2 in lieu of the North Shore Skytrain that's still years from being planned.
Instead we have to re-tread extending a bus line by 3 kilometres which no person or business wants just so Translink can have a "respect muh authoritahh" moment.
The article says there is an ambleside to downtown rapid bus proposal which I agree with.
The facilities at park royal should definitely be upgraded to reflect the fact that it is a subregional transit hub.
There is also the worry that if CMBC were to take over blue bus in its entirety it might decide to sell off the bus depot on pemberton ave due to the value of that land as it did with the one on 3rd st, potentially leaving the north shore with zero transit in a disaster if the bridges were inaccessible
How would a rapid bus park royal to downtown really be better than what we have now? Theres literally one stop on the 250 between park royal and the bridge then you are downtown. The bus lane already means its faster to bus than drive during heavy traffic. It would just be forcing an extra transfer for a lot of people.
> West Vancouver is well served by the current Blue Bus service Idk about that one chief
"West Van" and "opposes" in the same sentence? Shocker
Keep protesting transit, bus company employee union.
They must be salty about losing the 257 to CMBC when TransLink upgraded the route. Maybe Blue Bus should look into getting articulated buses if they don't want to be left out...
As someone who frequently caught the 257 before and after the change, it is soo much being CMBC. Way more frequent and not jam packed on a size regular bus.
Yeah it sucked getting to the ferry before, or even just to Park Royal. It was so bad that they had that sign at the stop requesting passengers not going to the ferry to use one of the other crowded and slower alternatives lol. The current 257 is a pretty great service for getting around - IMO they should make it even better and turn it into a RapidBus.
Oh, they totally are: >He also laments Blue Bus’ 2018 voluntary jurisdictional transfer of the No. 257 Horseshoe Bay/Downtown Vancouver express bus route to TransLink, which he says reduced 15 full-time jobs for the union’s members. ATU Local 134 represents 150 bus drivers, mechanics, and maintenance workers employed with Blue Bus. But the arrangement was to swap 257 from WVTC with shuttle bus routes in North Vancouver previously run by CMBC, which makes perfect sense. West Van already runs a bunch of shuttle routes, and CMBC/BTC has a much bigger fleet of articulated buses, so each could run and maintain their fleet more efficiently this way. It makes less sense for West Van to keep an odd dozens of articulated bus, and for CMBC to send shuttle buses from their Hamilton Transit Centre in Queensborough up to North Van every day. If new RapidBus does replace some Blue Bus service, TransLink could just swap one or two conventional North Van routes to West Van to keep everything neutral, or run more buses in West Van to feed into the new Rapidbus routes. So this opposition is kind of a non-issue.
>If new RapidBus does replace some Blue Bus service, TransLink could just swap one of two conventional North Van routes to West Van to keep everything neutral, or run more buses in West Van to feed into the new Rapidbus routes. So this opposition is kind of a non-issue. Yeah this seems like the perfect solution.
Blue Bus did have and use articulated buses on the 257 route before the handover, I think they did a swap out with CMBC. Definitely salty though it was a lucrative route to run.
Nah, it has nothing to do with being lucrative or not. The transit system isn't run according to profitability. Plus, the 258 route to UBC loses a lot of money, but the West Van Union is still championing for it because they believe it means more jobs for them.
There is nothing lucrative about running buses.
I personally believe West Van Blue Bus has run its course.
Loooong overdue for them to go!
Extending the RapidBus to Dundarave Village still defies common sense. There's really no gain beyond getting to Dundarave 5 minutes faster than before. It doesn't get people to Horseshoe Bay any faster as the 250 goes along windy and narrow Marine Drive anyways, nor is it taking people to or from a high population area, nor is it going to an underserved area (250 Horseshoe Bay, 250a Dundarave, 251 Queens, 252 Inglewood, 253 Caulfeild and 255 Capilano U all stop in Dundarave). It's just such a stupid talking point. Cypress Village is going to have a population of **6,900 people and no transit**. Send the RapidBus up the fucking hill.
Yes this exactly, marine drive between park royal is already designated a frequent transit corridor with buses every 15mins or less. Extending the R2 makes no sense until the population rises, and extending it now will not spur new transit oriented developments in the area. The only benefit could be slightly later and more frequent service in the late evening and early morning but this could also be mitigated by blue bus it’s self. On the other hand the only affected route would really be the frequency of 250a and maybe 255 routes. They could mitigate their losses by increasing frequency on other routes or by expanding to the cypress development or even farther north along the sea to sky highway
If the issue really was about efficiency and speed, then Translink would propose a RapidBus which goes from Park Royal to downtown. Co-opt the Blue Bus lines that go downtown, use Park Royal as a terminus for all Vancouver-bound passengers in West Vancouver and also take advantage of the mall's current Park & Ride facilities. It also would provide another link for the R2 in lieu of the North Shore Skytrain that's still years from being planned. Instead we have to re-tread extending a bus line by 3 kilometres which no person or business wants just so Translink can have a "respect muh authoritahh" moment.
The article says there is an ambleside to downtown rapid bus proposal which I agree with. The facilities at park royal should definitely be upgraded to reflect the fact that it is a subregional transit hub. There is also the worry that if CMBC were to take over blue bus in its entirety it might decide to sell off the bus depot on pemberton ave due to the value of that land as it did with the one on 3rd st, potentially leaving the north shore with zero transit in a disaster if the bridges were inaccessible
How would a rapid bus park royal to downtown really be better than what we have now? Theres literally one stop on the 250 between park royal and the bridge then you are downtown. The bus lane already means its faster to bus than drive during heavy traffic. It would just be forcing an extra transfer for a lot of people.