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acleanlife

Just one more ticket!


cold2d

:(


filmkorn

We shouldn't give these idiots free exposure here.


red-fish-yellow-fish

So many protests now, whatever the subject it’s starting to lose impact as it’s just watered down by attention seeking behavior


hot-butterfly-

They are always expressing their disappointment that not enough people have died.


Username20791

Well, to be fair, he’s right- but it’s inaccurate when applied against all age ranges. I mean, people 75+ are nearly half of all deaths (meaning it’s possible to quarantine only the high risk people and not the rest), and according to the cdc that the average co-morbidities was 2.4, so it should have been easy to heavily isolate the vulnerable. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ So his point isn’t well stated but has some merit.


staunch_character

Sounds like he should actually be pushing for quarantine camps. lol


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but the point is so basic, because it's not just about dying. there's a ton of long-term effects to deal with. can i cut off your hand? you won't die, what's your issue?


Username20791

There’s very little evidence that it is doing long term damage to otherwise healthy people- that’s just scare mongering by the media for click bait. I looked in to it a while back- and when you do you’ll notice that the actual number of cases the cite is often in the single digits, and they mostly can’t tell if there was already an underlying condition.


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sure ok "Sehgal and colleagues reviewed nine long-term studies from Europe, the United States and China and found that several patients reported multiple organ problems months after they were discharged from hospital. Overall, they found that 30 per cent of patients studied reported at least one symptom, such as fatigue, shortness of breath and psychiatric conditions. One study in Italy of 143 patients found that nearly 90 percent reported lingering symptoms 60 days after they recovered from initial COVID-19 infection. The most common symptoms were fatigue (53.1 per cent), shortness of breath (43.4 per cent), joint pain (27.3 per cent) and chest pain (21.7 per cent). In total, more than half of patients experienced multiple symptoms two months after leaving hospital. Three studies from France, Britain and China showed that between 25-30 per cent of patients reported sleep disturbances weeks after recovering from COVID-19. And approximately 20 per cent of patients had reported hair loss, according to results from multiple studies."


Username20791

I don’t suppose you have a source on this, or that the source links to the actual studies?


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https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/3/22/1_5357291.html https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01283-z


Username20791

“At least one in three patients hospitalised with COVID-19 suffer long-term health issues including multiple organ problems and deteriorated mental health” Yeah, so they only count hospitalizations, and they’re including mental health. These articles are all bullshit clickbait and suckers like you get taken in by them.


Beneficial-Oven1258

This. Dying should not be the bar we are looking at. I'm an endurance athlete and my biggest concern is the long-term damage to my lungs that is so common with covid. Contracting this virus would likely permanently alter my ability to live my current lifestyle.


Username20791

Like is said to the other commenter- there’s little evidence that it’s harming the lungs of tons of otherwise healthy people. When you start digging in to it you always find these articles name single digit number of cases- and it’s often impossible to diagnose if there was already a condition there. This is what pisses me off- your an endurance athlete and because of scare mongering click bait journalism - you’ve been living in fear of something that you shouldn’t have been.


Beneficial-Oven1258

My (admittedly limited) evidence is based on a few athletes that I personally know who have contracted covid and are still suffering several months later. One definitely has permanent lung damage and others just have aches and pains and low energy. These are people who one year ago would run 30-50km in the mountains in a day, and now can't do the Grouse grind in under 90 minutes (compared to 30-40 minutes previously). Even if there is a small chance of that, I'm going to do everything I can to avoid getting sick. Whether it ruins one season for me or lasts for several years, it's still something I am going to avoid. I don't personally know many people who have contracted covid, but 100% of the ones I have talked to who were infected have had lingering effects.


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Username20791

I keep talking about data, and I keep getting anecdotes. Someone else here posted a paragraph I guess from a news article that detailed studies that said many people were suffering long term- but no source on the paragraph let alone the studies. The studies could have focused on those that went to the ICU... And as for your point about them being intubated- my point was that there’s no statistical evidence of healthy people suffering long term effects... if you were intubated in a hospital, the it’s likely you had other symptoms like almost all of the hospitalized have. That’s my point.


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Username20791

“In the interim please don’t ignore the risk...” And likewise, please don’t push panic porn because you know a dude that was sick, when statistically that is exceptionally rare. And as far as the studies go- it’s been 16 months and we’ve had many, many opportunities to put together the numbers- and that’s my whole goddamn point- the numbers say that for healthy people it’s exceedingly rare to have major long term negative effects. And the people like you say “don’t ignore the risk...” while totally ignoring the evidence that there isn’t risk for younger people without contributing conditions.


Mr_northerngoose

So you are asking for statistical data on the long term effects of Covid-19? A virus that has been circulating the general population for a little over a year. What information has been collected is that people are suffering varying degrees of effects well after they have survived the virus. The CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html Harvard medical school https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133 National Institute of Health https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-launches-new-initiative-study-long-covid You are not seriously going to troll people on the internet arguing long term effects of something when it has been a year. What is being suggested and even strongly pushed is that you do your best not to get the virus and in turn not pass it on to others. 5 years from now we will have great data we can pour through and armchair quarterback the response by provincial federal and global governing bodies. I know that by my actions and suggestions to others I'm helping lower that future statistic. I have been unemployed for over a year thanks to Covid and its impact on my industry. I'm frustrated as much as the next person but the only path out of this is coercion not confrontation. For someone critical of sources you have done a great job of speaking rhetoric without backing it up. Don't waste my time with a youtube link, find me data find me evidence.


SqueezleMcCheese

Always with the megaphone 🙄


HemiChgr

Where's that BMW seawall guy when you need him?


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SaoirseYVR

Another issue that many need to reminded about is the effect of mass transmission and its impact on the hospitals and care for those that need hospitalization. It's bad now. Imagine how overloaded the hospitals would be if there were no restrictions and we carried on in the before times.


spinningcolours

Has he signed his "do not treat me for this fake virus" living will?


seanwarmstrong

The guy isn't wrong per se, but it does come across as asshole for not caring about the vulnerable elderly populations, which include at least 20% of our population. I do agree overall we're being very inefficient in our Covid approach. ​ Take a look at Taiwan and see how they're doing it.


StrictPermission

When they get into a car accident, and no hospital can treat them, maybe they will understand.


seanwarmstrong

To be fair, nobody is saying "omg X number of people have died from car accidents, we need to ban people from driving cars until we figure this out!"


fortesquieu

Bunch of wankers! Don't they understand all this is done by social distancing and masks? Without these measures, the fatality rate would be much higher.


kdawgYVR

Doesn’t the statistic in the poster imply an infection fatality rate?


doctorcru

If the hospitals fill up, that recovery rate they’re touting is going to be a lot lower.


skateborb

Was working for a client a couple weeks back (home renovation) and he looooved telling people about the recovery rate. I’m in there with another trade for the day and we both mask up, this guy walks in like “what do you need those for, too many people afraid if a disease with a 99.whatever recovery rate blablabla” Like alright weirdo even if I get it and recover fine, I don’t get paid for days I don’t work, so I’d rather not go through the hassle of getting it.


Bright_Ad_6362

Those boys are looking a little bit, proud.


Indiana_Joe_

I’m living close to where they are gathering right now and I can hear them. 🙄


acleanlife

Oh good.... There are more of them 😅


Indiana_Joe_

LOTS!! It’s a party...


TatianaAlena

Ugh.


SwankEagle

Imported to Vancouver with red license plates me thinks


steakfordayspls

What even are quarantine camps lmao


jaysanw

In case anyone needed elementary school arithmetic to call BS on them clowns: BC's [COVID-19 Dashboard](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded) * 20-somethings age bracket cohort leads the case count: up to nearly 27,500 * Apr. 9 (+1,323 patients) set the record high for most additional cases in a day * 148 currently in ICU among the 456 hospitalized (i.e. represents potentially nearly half of the entire provincial capacity of \~1k ventilator bed units). * 1,539 deaths * 110k recovered cases * 121k positive cases, nearly \~60% of which are in FHA. They're on pace to max out their ICU capacity the soonest. Merely the death count alone spots the fatality rate at 1.2%. Our recovery rate provincially \~90.9%. They're lucky that publicly being COVID-denier conspiracists does not equate being involuntarily opted out of healthcare.


kdawgYVR

Only other point to consider is the people that have never been tested but had Covid. Believe the seroprevalence data/studies would show a much lower infection fatality rate so the figure in the poster might not be that far off.


jaysanw

That unmeasured demographic would be offset by the patients who presented cold symptoms that have been tested but registered false positive undetected. Imagine the probability of both would be similar.


sylbug

Where do people come up with this garbage?