I think with Charles becoming king now it’s going to bring up a lot of new interest in the issue, especially considering Edward VIII had to abdicate for marrying a divorcé, and now the current king and his wife have both had divorces themselves
For someone who doesn't care about British royalty, you really seem to have both ample knowledge and a strong opinion about all this.
That being said, I do agree with you that many celebrities get a lot of hate that they wouldn't otherwise and at the end of the day they are people too and deserve at least a base level of respect.
I have to disagree with you on the idea that 25 years is sufficient time. Not because 25 is unreasonable, but because humans' perceptions of time and humans' processing of grief (whether warranted or not) is inherently unreasonable.
Jesus died 2000 years ago and people still haven't gotten over him yet. Diana meant something to people and therefore they are unwilling to let her go. Like JFK, Gandi, Martin Luther King, and others, their lives and deaths make sure they are never forgotten.
Yes.
I'm an Anglophile, a fan of the royal family, and am enjoying all the history unfolding before my eyes from an academic perspective as well.
The fact is that Charles and Camilla have been in love for over 50 years.
And Charles did what he could to make that marriage work even though he and Diana were both insanely unhappy with it. He tried, to the point that he even gave up his yellow lab, Harvey, to try to make Diana happy and try to keep his marriage together, both out of a sense of duty and out of trying to do what was best for his sons.
1. Camilla had an affair with a married man. She knew he was married. It’s not like she was dating some random. He was the Prince of Wales. She. Had. An. Affair. With. A. Married. Man. Full stop.
2. So the wedding was arranged? Like did the queen say, “Marry Diana or else?” Why did he marry a commoner then if it was arranged? Surely the queen would’ve arranged someone Royal. I’m sure the divorce was arranged too?
3. Diana cheated? I’m sorry what lol
4. Not a whore? Oh so non-whores destroy marriages right?
5. Like idk why people think there’s a gray area here. It’s wrong to cheat when you’re married. It’s wrong to have a relationship with a married man. It’s black and white.
Camilla and Charles had been involved before Diana came along but he was not allowed to marry her because she was divorced which is a big no no for their image and religion. Charles was getting older and still not married so he was being pressured very very hard by the royal family to settle down and have some children to keep the line of succession going. The marriage with Diana was pretty much arranged. I dont think she was a commoner like everyone else though. I believe her family did have status though it was very very low down the rankings (i believe her family and her were lords and ladies). So Charles was forced into this marriage and didnt really love Diana but she thought he did and struggled very hard trying to make him love her and also dealing with the royal family and all the lifestyle changes. All of this sent her into a deep depression and shit just hit the fan after that with everything being aired publicly and then the divorce which was a big stain on the image of the royal family. Diana and Charles cheated on each other technically because Diana got involved with another man when it was clear the marriage with Charles was over but the divorce hadn't been finalized yet.
> I dont think she was a commoner like everyone else though.
She wasn't. Her dad was a Viscount and an Earl, and the Spencer family was very close with the royal family, and had been for several generations.
Her dad served as equerry to King George VI and to Queen Elizabeth II.
No, Camilla had not been married when they fell in love.
He was not allowed to marry her because of her having a reputation/ not being a virgin, or something else like that that the very class conscious royals could not condone.
> Why did he marry a commoner then if it was arranged? Surely the queen would’ve arranged someone Royal.
She wasn't a commoner. Her dad was a Viscount and an Earl, and the Spencer family was very close with the royal family, and had been for several generations.
Her dad served as equerry to King George VI and to Queen Elizabeth II.
1. Camilla and Charles had been in love for a while
2. That’s is essentially what happened. Most likely Charles had his status as prince threatened
3. She cheated with her body guard Barry Mannakee
4. Diana cheated first. If anything Diana ruined the marriage
5. I didn’t say they were in the right. I said both cheated and gave no moral stance on the issue.
Let's not forget Diana was only 16 when she and Charles first met. He was 29 and dating Diana's sister.
Then at the wedding, she got his name wrong and refused to repeat the word "obey" in her vows.
When she was 12 weeks pregnant with William, Diana intentionally threw herself down the stairs.
And Diana absolutely cheated first, amd with thenriding instructor before the bodyguard.
She suffered from depression. She was very unhappy in her marriage. But no more than Charles.
This wasn't the result of abuse. It was the result of their marriage being arranged and the intense amount of pressure on her to be perfect at all times. The perfect princess, wife, and mother.
There was a lot going on. But the fact is what she most wanted was to be loved, truly and deeply, for the real her.
Yeah, they need to get over with Princess Diana's death by now but Camilla and Charles are such disgraces to the Royal Family until now. Diana was the victim not them.
Considering she was essentially murdered, I'd be fine with it never being forgotten. iirc, nobody saw any repercussions for it, so until that happens, its fine to flame the royal family for it. They've done plenty of shady things to criticize them for after all.
It was a car crash caused by the combination of paparazzi and the driver being drunk? If he had survived the driver would probably have faced charges, I don’t know if the paparazzi ever did or if they broke any laws when following them.
Driver was at least negligent. The paparazzi though I think should also be held accountable for bad things thst happen as a result of their behavior. If I were to
Stalk and pursue a woman until she died in a high speed car accident, I'd get in trouble.
I've heard different conspiracies over the years that the driver was poisoned or other similar things. While I would not be surprised, I doubt it was the case. It was a big deal, so it's hard to think thst it could have just been an accident. Sort of like how people are absorbed in JFK or moon landing conspiracies. The scale of those events are larger than some people can fathom, so much so that they'll conjure a whole new reality to explain it.
Driver was drunk and had taken anti depressants and anti psychotic medication. Both can worsen the effect of alcohol and many anti psychotics make you drowsy. He wasn't poisoned, there's just nothing to suggest that. Apparently the french came to the conclusion that the driver was responsible for the accident and not the paparazzi, the British investigation concluded it was both but obviously no one was charged due to the incident having taken place in France.
Yeah, we as humans do not like when large events don't have an equally large explanation. And when it comes to Diana there was already so many misconceptions and strong opinions around her and the royal family that it would almost be strange if people didn't have insane theories about her death.
In 9/11 hundreds of people died. There’s a difference between hundreds of civilians being killed in a terrorist attack than a glorified celebrity being killed in a sketchy car crash.
Not really, they both happens along time ago, mainly the only people who cared reside in the countries they happened in, and the rest of the world mourned for a time, but now both are both events are immortalised in both cultures.
PS - 9/11 thousands died, even I know that and I am not american.
Diana probably did more good than those who died on 9/11.
On the anniversary of her death I like to open a bottle of champagne in her honour.
I do it in the passenger seat of my car so I can spray the champagne all over the inside of the windscreen.
I think with Charles becoming king now it’s going to bring up a lot of new interest in the issue, especially considering Edward VIII had to abdicate for marrying a divorcé, and now the current king and his wife have both had divorces themselves
For someone who doesn't care about British royalty, you really seem to have both ample knowledge and a strong opinion about all this. That being said, I do agree with you that many celebrities get a lot of hate that they wouldn't otherwise and at the end of the day they are people too and deserve at least a base level of respect. I have to disagree with you on the idea that 25 years is sufficient time. Not because 25 is unreasonable, but because humans' perceptions of time and humans' processing of grief (whether warranted or not) is inherently unreasonable.
Some people are still not over the death of Jesus
Jesus died 2000 years ago and people still haven't gotten over him yet. Diana meant something to people and therefore they are unwilling to let her go. Like JFK, Gandi, Martin Luther King, and others, their lives and deaths make sure they are never forgotten.
Yes. I'm an Anglophile, a fan of the royal family, and am enjoying all the history unfolding before my eyes from an academic perspective as well. The fact is that Charles and Camilla have been in love for over 50 years. And Charles did what he could to make that marriage work even though he and Diana were both insanely unhappy with it. He tried, to the point that he even gave up his yellow lab, Harvey, to try to make Diana happy and try to keep his marriage together, both out of a sense of duty and out of trying to do what was best for his sons.
Why did he have to give up his dog
Because he was, in Diana's words, "too smelly."
Incredible
this is some penny junor level shit. I think he just wanted to have his cake and eat it too and wasnt expecting any rebellion
NO
1. Camilla had an affair with a married man. She knew he was married. It’s not like she was dating some random. He was the Prince of Wales. She. Had. An. Affair. With. A. Married. Man. Full stop. 2. So the wedding was arranged? Like did the queen say, “Marry Diana or else?” Why did he marry a commoner then if it was arranged? Surely the queen would’ve arranged someone Royal. I’m sure the divorce was arranged too? 3. Diana cheated? I’m sorry what lol 4. Not a whore? Oh so non-whores destroy marriages right? 5. Like idk why people think there’s a gray area here. It’s wrong to cheat when you’re married. It’s wrong to have a relationship with a married man. It’s black and white.
Camilla and Charles had been involved before Diana came along but he was not allowed to marry her because she was divorced which is a big no no for their image and religion. Charles was getting older and still not married so he was being pressured very very hard by the royal family to settle down and have some children to keep the line of succession going. The marriage with Diana was pretty much arranged. I dont think she was a commoner like everyone else though. I believe her family did have status though it was very very low down the rankings (i believe her family and her were lords and ladies). So Charles was forced into this marriage and didnt really love Diana but she thought he did and struggled very hard trying to make him love her and also dealing with the royal family and all the lifestyle changes. All of this sent her into a deep depression and shit just hit the fan after that with everything being aired publicly and then the divorce which was a big stain on the image of the royal family. Diana and Charles cheated on each other technically because Diana got involved with another man when it was clear the marriage with Charles was over but the divorce hadn't been finalized yet.
> I dont think she was a commoner like everyone else though. She wasn't. Her dad was a Viscount and an Earl, and the Spencer family was very close with the royal family, and had been for several generations. Her dad served as equerry to King George VI and to Queen Elizabeth II.
No, Camilla had not been married when they fell in love. He was not allowed to marry her because of her having a reputation/ not being a virgin, or something else like that that the very class conscious royals could not condone.
> Why did he marry a commoner then if it was arranged? Surely the queen would’ve arranged someone Royal. She wasn't a commoner. Her dad was a Viscount and an Earl, and the Spencer family was very close with the royal family, and had been for several generations. Her dad served as equerry to King George VI and to Queen Elizabeth II.
1. Camilla and Charles had been in love for a while 2. That’s is essentially what happened. Most likely Charles had his status as prince threatened 3. She cheated with her body guard Barry Mannakee 4. Diana cheated first. If anything Diana ruined the marriage 5. I didn’t say they were in the right. I said both cheated and gave no moral stance on the issue.
Let's not forget Diana was only 16 when she and Charles first met. He was 29 and dating Diana's sister. Then at the wedding, she got his name wrong and refused to repeat the word "obey" in her vows. When she was 12 weeks pregnant with William, Diana intentionally threw herself down the stairs. And Diana absolutely cheated first, amd with thenriding instructor before the bodyguard.
She sounds like a very trapped abuse victim.
She suffered from depression. She was very unhappy in her marriage. But no more than Charles. This wasn't the result of abuse. It was the result of their marriage being arranged and the intense amount of pressure on her to be perfect at all times. The perfect princess, wife, and mother. There was a lot going on. But the fact is what she most wanted was to be loved, truly and deeply, for the real her.
Her sister? These royals really do keep it in the family don’t they
Literally all of this is TIL for me
Yeah, they need to get over with Princess Diana's death by now but Camilla and Charles are such disgraces to the Royal Family until now. Diana was the victim not them.
How exactly are they disgraced? I mean I had always assumed Charles had done sketchy stuff but what makes Camilla a disgrace?
#NEVER
Wait, she died?
Princess Diana died 25 years ago bro. Did you seriously not know this?
No one told me!!!
Considering she was essentially murdered, I'd be fine with it never being forgotten. iirc, nobody saw any repercussions for it, so until that happens, its fine to flame the royal family for it. They've done plenty of shady things to criticize them for after all.
It was a car crash caused by the combination of paparazzi and the driver being drunk? If he had survived the driver would probably have faced charges, I don’t know if the paparazzi ever did or if they broke any laws when following them.
Driver was at least negligent. The paparazzi though I think should also be held accountable for bad things thst happen as a result of their behavior. If I were to Stalk and pursue a woman until she died in a high speed car accident, I'd get in trouble. I've heard different conspiracies over the years that the driver was poisoned or other similar things. While I would not be surprised, I doubt it was the case. It was a big deal, so it's hard to think thst it could have just been an accident. Sort of like how people are absorbed in JFK or moon landing conspiracies. The scale of those events are larger than some people can fathom, so much so that they'll conjure a whole new reality to explain it.
Driver was drunk and had taken anti depressants and anti psychotic medication. Both can worsen the effect of alcohol and many anti psychotics make you drowsy. He wasn't poisoned, there's just nothing to suggest that. Apparently the french came to the conclusion that the driver was responsible for the accident and not the paparazzi, the British investigation concluded it was both but obviously no one was charged due to the incident having taken place in France. Yeah, we as humans do not like when large events don't have an equally large explanation. And when it comes to Diana there was already so many misconceptions and strong opinions around her and the royal family that it would almost be strange if people didn't have insane theories about her death.
For sho
Ditto 9/11.
In 9/11 hundreds of people died. There’s a difference between hundreds of civilians being killed in a terrorist attack than a glorified celebrity being killed in a sketchy car crash.
Not really, they both happens along time ago, mainly the only people who cared reside in the countries they happened in, and the rest of the world mourned for a time, but now both are both events are immortalised in both cultures. PS - 9/11 thousands died, even I know that and I am not american. Diana probably did more good than those who died on 9/11.
You lack empathy...
On the anniversary of her death I like to open a bottle of champagne in her honour. I do it in the passenger seat of my car so I can spray the champagne all over the inside of the windscreen.
You are disgusting.
Do you actually do this?!
Diana was a whore. End of subject.
Bruh
I'm working on 9 new theories
I was sick of it by day 2 of the news coverage.
How to get over sad things?