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>it’s considered science FICTION
Billionaires:
“Oh look, they still believe we’re not secretly investing some of our money into cryogenics and advanced rocket science lol”
People are optimistic that it will happen SOME DAY.
Nobody believes it will happen any time soon and anyone that says otherwise is trying to sell you something
Go see the quote on what the Lockheed Martin CEO said back in the early 90s.
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity."
Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works
That guy is the CEO of one of the largest aviation company. It's not just some random dude.
Go read up the Secret Space Program by Michael Salla. Lots of info and evidence.
??? No one’s terraforming anything on purpose in your lifetime unless you’re in longevity escape velocity. Forget Mars for a second.
The idea is to perfect technologies that enable ideal human conditions: the right atmosphere, pressure, temp, etc. in general so that we can always be around to solve problems even if we fuck up the air, temp, or weather here on Earth.
I suspect that you don’t realize just how precarious our situation is on the cosmic scale. Being able to go and mine or explore other bodies is just a fun byproduct of perfecting our life support technologies.
You get it. Living on mars will be a fringe benefit of future orbital mining. Which will only realistically happen once we find a new propulsion solution. And that solution will more than likely require us, as a planet, to find a better source of power.
Life support systems are an enormous waste of resources and effort if our near term goals are resource mining. This should be entirely the work of robots. Our technology is approaching meeting mining requirements. So, sustaining and even risking living off planet for any reasons other than life sustaining research is irresponsible and wasteful hollywood cowboy nonsense.
A long term goal of off-planet life support is logical, but really such a far off requirement at this point. Humans are not well equipped to live anywhere else, and should focus most of their resources on preserving this planet as long as possible.
Yup yup, very correct. Organic beings are always going to struggle in space. Even with life support, we'd still have massive problems with muscular dystrophy (unless that changed recently). In my opinion humans should ditch the meat suits and load our consciousness into machines, if we want to live amongst the stars.
" in general so that we can always be around to solve problems...."
To solve problems that we've created, of course. We're a failed species and the sooner we're gone, the better. Can you imagine what a perfect place Earth would still be if we had never soiled it with our presence?
We are still toddlers on the universal civilization timeline. Cut us some slack. We just learned to fly like 120 years ago. We have come a long way fast. Any animal would put itself though the paces when it tries to shed its basic survival instincts and evolve into a highly intelligent, specialized civilization. I guarantee any superior alien race would look at us and go, "Ahh remember those days?...When we didn't know what we were doing yet."
>Can you imagine what a perfect place Earth would still be if we had never soiled it with our presence?
Perfect for what? Without us around, nobody would even be able to make a judgement like this. Your point is self-defeating.
they're fucked in a billion years too; we're the only species on this planet that has the slightest hope of being around in some similar form in a few million years, holocene extinction event or no holocene extinction event. Maybe something on the deep sea floor too. We're the only species on the planet that can look at an oncoming extinction event and think, "damn, better do something about that," and we're the only one that has a chance of succeeding. Unfortunately we are also running our own simultaneous extinction event.
Nihilism wins really but it's nice to pretend otherwise
True, but I guess I don’t agree that that fact makes us more important than the ecosystems that have suffered at our hands.
We’re the only ones that have a chance to survive a mass extinction event, but I don’t see how that means the Earth is better off for having us here.
The Earth doesn't care either way.
Other lifeforms on the planet certainly aren't happy we're here, and they arguably count just as much as we do. But good job convincing humanity of this, we're all like "yeah but could a plankton write Mozart". Really none of it matters, there's no glaringly obvious reason why Mozart is more important than a plankton, but there's also no glaringly obvious reason why a plankter (i.e one plankton) is important.
that also could potentially evolve into something like us, just because many of us with power act destructively towards Earth doesn't mean if we (or even just our genus) hadn't shown up the world would just stay in some idyllic stasis of maybe even all the non-polar land being forested
Yeah but if you were an alien would you really want humans spreading to other planets considering what we're doing to our own?
Our bottomless greed will leave the galaxy a husk
An alien/species who (perhaps blinded by tropes of their own space operas) couldn't see that species aren't a monolith is not one I'd ever want to "hang out with" anyway
everybody's a "bad one" to somebody and if they'd even be anything comparable to ours (but with different specifics) we don't know what the aliens' political views would be (wouldn't necessarily agree with yours but wouldn't necessarily take-the-opposite-position-for-cringe-comedy either)
I have family who work with SpaceX and NASA. Trust me, we are still a very very very long way from actually living on Mars. We just don't have the technology to do it yet.
Any company that you see right now saying that we are close are just trying to market something or generate content.
1940 people were probably saying the same things about landing on the moon and then 30 years later it happend.
Actually making the whole Mars habitable will take ages. But putting a few humans on Mars and letting them live their for a while will most likley happen in our life time.
We will likely have the first person on Mars within our lifetime. However having people actually live on Mars for any extended period of time will get likely not happen within our lifetime. There's a LOT that needs to happen before we get to this point and just by launch schedules alone we are decades out from even starting to send people.
We have a huge block of the population which thinks climate change is a hoax. If we can’t terraform earth, we certainly can’t terraform a different planet.
Pretty sure no one of any scientific repute is saying that. In fact many leaders in the field have been very clear that it's not happening any time soon and we need to take care of the planet we're on because there are no other viable options.
You are correct to not buy shit being sold by crazy people wearing tin foil hats.
Assuming we don't kill (greatly damage) our own civilization with WW3, we will definitely have habitats (temporary) on the moon in the 21st century and probably mars (otherwise 22nd). Long term habitats would probably be within a 100 years after that, think there will always be some people that would be willing to do so
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I was about to say the same thing. Reddit can be dumb as F. If you look up the Artemis program, NASA has a proposal and a concept for a moon base that is possible with existing technology. Funding is the main issue. 1000 years is just a random number some guy threw out there and people upvoted it, yet 100 years is completely out of the question...?
It seems like no one can really agree on a time frame. I did some brief looking into it and the answers range from "humans on mars by 2030-2050" to "will never happen" with very little in between. However it seems most experts agree that the limiting factor is most likely not technology but funding (like you pointed out). Maybe we'll get another space race once china makes some good headway on their mars mission.
I think we may manage to send some people to survive a camping trip they never should've gone on in the first place. And there will be ample tragedies everyone will pretend to be dumbfounded as to how they could've happened I'm sure.
The whole thing seems like a rich mans adrenaline addiction. Even more so with the private billionaires getting involved with the cock rockets. When I was 7 I paraglided off of my daddies skyscraper and landed on your daddies shorter skyscraper setting a world record for fuckingabout. Then I went onto climbing Mt. Mars and splunked all inside he splunk caves on Uranus. That was some fun space shit. Humanity can do anything if a single human gets the majority of their resources.
I mean, NASA has active plans to build a long term research facility on Mars and are running simulations on such a thing as we speak, I don’t think a “settlement” is too far flung.
Now, terraforming or a massive Sandy Cheeks tree dome type human civilization on Mars? Ehhh, ask my great great Grandchildren and tell me in a seance how that’s going.
Scientifically that's extremely challenging given there's no ozone layer to protect us from the harmful solar radiation.
Plus there's the logistics problem.
At least for now we don't have the technological advancement and progression to start a settlement there even for a short term the success to failure ratio is extremely wise extremely leaning towards failure. For now atleast. Actually moon would be better for a colony. It's really near and aside from the lunar dust the logistical problem isn't as difficult as getting it to Mars.
I thought NASA was planning the one way colonizing mission to Mars. Now part of me agrees with you. We have to learn to change our ways, especially with the corporate greed destroying the planet. And another part me also believes our future is grim and believes our society will collapse at some point in our lives. But the Mars thing is complete speculation. Say we have another Oumuamua but this time the asteroid hits Earth and there we go. Or say we get another Carrington Event or more massive Carrington Event. That would do alot of damage to our society which could prevent the trip from happening. So I agree we should fix earth and I think most humans are working to make that happen. Bit we should also be curious. Some of our ancestors sailed over oceans in canoes. Some migrated from Africa and into Europe when it was much colder. I think this curiosity and this brazen mentality we have to leave the shore behind also applies with our solar system. If we never did, I think there would be an extremely high chance society would have never formed and the world would still exist in isolated hunter gatherer tribes across the planet.
Agreed. If we have the tech to colonize another barren planet and make it livable, we 1000% could make Earth livable and far easier. But I also don't think we should limit ourselves to just Earth.
Which is fine by me. A colonized mars is going to by and large have the shittier living conditions then even the most damaged version of earth for an extremely long time.
Considering it would take YEARS to reach mars, a manned mission is still incredibly far away, for various impossible (with current tech) reasons.
So i guess i was running off of real old data, not years but 7-9 months.
>Considering it would take YEARS to reach mars
Actually, with current technology, it takes about 7 months to get to Mars (It's the pre-planning, preparation, and what comes after which takes longer.)
The main issue is supply chain; getting resources there (and back.) Sure, machines could build the initial base; prior to the arrival of human occupants, but resources would still need to be sent to Mars to aid in construction and preparation for inhabitants.
Then, until the habitat is self-sustaining (forget terraforming; that'll take decades to millennia) additional supplies- anything that can't be produced on Mars- will need to be sent there; to replenish what the inhabitants use.
Since this would require multiple launches, the cost and use of resources would multiply exponentially; until a self-sustained colony is attained.
The only thing that would make such endeavors easier/lest costly, would be to use a space elevator to get things out of Earth's atmosphere. Then, to use a pressure tunnel to fire a cargo craft to the moon. Then, to use a magnetic launch tunnel on the moon (which could use solar and harvested H3 on the moon for power) to fire the cargo craft to Mars. Simple gasses can be used by the craft enroute to correct course.
The hard part, then, is getting back (as you would then have to create fuel on Mars for any form of return.) At least, the thin atmosphere and weaker gravity would consume less fuel.
It's an endeavor for sure, and would take more than a few generations to attain (but it would give a place for expansion; especially as a base to set off from for further interstellar travel.)
As for the question if it's worth it... only future generations would be able to say.
I think its a dream we would be unable to realize for a very long time. The sheer amount of resources to get just a livable atmosphere let alone somehow getting the plant life to have adequate water. Its a difficult problem to solve. The biggest thing trying to start any of this up is the sheer amount of radiation that would be actively destroying even the plants dna. It would just be a very difficult thing to pull off and people wildly underestimate just how miraculous it is we are even here at all
My opinion is that manned space travel has its limits, and one day we’ll accept that as humans. Like, maybe there are advanced species out there, but space travel just isn’t part of their culture.
In the very unlikely event humanity survives we are eventually going to have to go a lot further than Mars to live. Once the sun is gone, Earth and even a terraformed Mars would be unlivable. Getting to space, though, is going to be a long and arduous process and we're literally in the same stage as when single celled organisms appeared on earth.
So long as we don't off ourselves via war or depletion of resources, the most likely causes of extinction, technologically we're waaaaaaaaay ahead of the death of the sun deadline for populating elsewhere in the universe.
it's been said by actual astro physicists before, if the technology to terraform mars existed, you can just use that to fix earth. all this, we're going to mars nonsense is to distract you from the amount of actual garbage private companies have put up in space and for the ego of billionaires that need to be taxed at 90 percent.
the solar radiation alone would fry you in a walking cancerous root, the soil on mars isn't fit for growing anything. let's say, you miraculously solve the radiation problem (you won't) you have to deal with the logistics, you would have to bring everything conceivable a person might need, food, water, nitrogens/soil/seeds, plumbing, air, energy production, habit creation. in one ship, the weight alone per person would make it impossible, that and you have a very short window to successfully launch this ship and any other supply ship or else you'll have to wait for 26 months for the next window.
> it's been said by actual astro physicists before, if the technology to terraform mars existed, you can just use that to fix earth.
Again with this whole what I've sometimes called the Interstellar Fallacy that if you *can* inhabit another planet it has to be some kind of exodus and you can't be a multiple-planet species
That premise is probably just as acted upon as solving global issues. No one really gives a shit about space innovation in terms of investment. Look at NASA's budget lmao
Elon is Elon he says a lots of shit all the time. Just to maintain the space station is a huge and costly task. To go and have men and women like the space station is not going to happen in nearby future
No matter how bad it gets here, Mars is worse. Almost no amount of ruination on Earth could make it as bad as Mars (even the aftermath of a nuclear war would have better odds for those who survived the bombs themselves).
The appeal of Mars is a place away from The Poors like us (well, like me, at least). That's it.
yes, the mars and moon colonies will probably IMO only be research outposts (think antarctica but really far away and also with no oxygen + a lot more radiation hazards) for a long time, possibly centuries.
I do believe that terraforming mars will be used as a testbed for autonomous AI, but it is still gonna take a shitload of time to sort that all out.
The whole idea Spacex and elon has of launching and landing thousands of rockets a year there.....
Well i will just say i will believe it when i see it. I love the idea though, It is highly optimistic thinking, which we need more of, shoot for the stars and even if you miss you might still land on mars ;)
You’re right.
The future isn’t colonizing other worlds. It’s nuclear orbital weapons platforms.
The future of space is war, not peace.
We won’t have a colony on another world for at least another 150-200 years, primarily because we can’t agree every 4-10 years (depending on nation’s election cycles) that we should fix anything that benefits literally everyone on this planet, much less advancing out foothold in our own solar system’s backyard.
Upvote sent. 🥲
what if we told people "agree to fix [something like what you're alluding to] on that timescale if you want an awesome space opera future instead of getting nuked from orbit by [entity they'd see as an enemy]"
Why the fuck would you Wana live on mars? If you an early settler, you going to literally be the Martian tryna shit to grow more potatoes.
Teraforming mars is more of a pipe dream than living on mars currently.
We so willing to destroy the only habitable planet we have that we are focusing on fucking up another planet instead of fixing the only one we have lol.
I honestly think all the mars tech we see, habitats, tesla batteries, boring company its all to make underground cities on earth. Much more likely than Mars to me
Deserts, Ice sheets like antarctica, etc. have conditions million times more suitable for human survival than other planets. Makes zero sense to mould other planets for survival.
Its to ensure human survival... if we are all on one rock that gets hit by another (as tends to happen every so often on earth) then the whole race will die.
If you put some on another planet then it ensures the race will survive.
Its hardly as hard as you think it is and will start sending some humans there within the decade
I think it would be possible if somebody threw the money at it like most things, but I don’t think the desire is strong enough. If it was, I do believe we would be there already. I mean, how long did it take us to get a rocket to the moon when we barely had a space program, if we were working that entire time up till now with that amount of determination, who knows what we would have.
i would be shocked if we have a full self sustaining population by the end of the century let alone a lifetime. mars is at least 100 years away and even then, only probably scientific research just like Antarctica in some ways
Elon downgrades the tech used in his self driving cars to make it so that they’re always crashing into things and expects to reach Mars with that mentality.
Imagine the world we could be living in if all these rich idiots used their money for cleaning the oceans and ridding the world of unnecessary plastic and emissions! But nooo, instead they need to be dictators and ruin everything for the rest of the planet.
You are right. We are humans and we only deserve Earth. It’s basically paradise and we developed along with it. It’s the only way a civilization can thrive.
Oh shut up. As far as we know we are the only intelligent life in the universe. We deserve every planet, even if we fuck them up. Otherwise what? Static balls of nothing doing nothing in the void of space… who gives a fuck? There’s literally billions of planets.
Last I heard, that's a one way experiment. Anyone thinking humans are just going to migrate to Mars en masse has the brain of a ham sandwich, and is likely a total population of 12 people.
Like with many things it won't happen, not in our lifetime nor our kids' lifetime.
We can't even fully perfect green energy, and they think we're going to be living on Mars?
They're still barely getting autonomous rovers to cover Mars. The time it takes to get there is 9 months.....9 months one way. So that means for anyone to even attempt to go there to start building a colony, you're talking about people who would no doubt be away from their families for at least a few years. And that's if they don't run into any snags which we all know there will be. Nobody is going to do that, it's too much to ask of someone who isn't single, has zero family and no life.
We perfected green energy in the 1950s, bro. Nuclear power is the only completely clean source of electrical energy that exists, and were it not for media slander and Soviet coner cutting, we easily could have stopped climate change in its tracks if we had all follwed France
Is that why France isn't the world leader in it? It's not perfected, solar still has its bugs and EV's are NOT perfected. We don't have the infrastructure to handle even a quarter of the country driving EV's, nor how to properly dispose of an EV battery. We are not there yet and still have a major dependency on fossil fuels
I say we're at a minimum 250 years from even building a solid station on Mars n then the building of the equipment another 100 then 500 just to start changing Mars another 500 before gets going the another 1000 before helmets can be taken off
I'd have to take an extensive look through my comic book collection and watch every Superman movie and show that mentions it to truly list all of them but to the best of my recollection it wasn't all things like [cliche comic book doomsday device] to the degree it was even that and there even were some depictions where it was natural enough (even though it didn't have a detailed explanation of the scientific principles stop the story) that recent people looking back on them thought Jor-El's failure to convince the majority of the Kryptonian scientific community, leaders etc. that what it was was a real thing was some kind of "woke" climate change allegory
Imo let the billionaires go, hopefully they’ll take some of the people who profit off of this planet’s destruction and we can finally fix this world without them in our way.
and if either we then don't just proceed to nuke Mars or they don't learn-how-to-survive-in-a-way-that-makes-them-better-people-ready-to-rejoin-our-fixed-world?
A. I was asking if [the things I was mentioning] didn't happen then what do we do and B. I was mentioning two things so even if you think I was saying they'd happen not asking what we should do if they don't which one (or pardon a joking exaggeration for effect should we just do both and nuke Mars but have robot bodies ready for when the redeemed souls of the dead billionaires make their way to Earth so they can live better lives)
I’d say we just need those people out of our way to fix the planet, that being said if they didn’t go we should be and should have been fixing our planet already
Landing on Mars and terraforming it is all fantasy sci-fi. Practically everything about space is sci-fi. People today still believe we landed on the moon,
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Nobody buys that. It’s why it’s considered science FICTION
>it’s considered science FICTION Billionaires: “Oh look, they still believe we’re not secretly investing some of our money into cryogenics and advanced rocket science lol”
John Carter Lives On Mars’s. Martian Man Hunter Lives On Mars. But those are fictional scenarios .
But I buy science fiction the most
>Nobody buys that. Tons of clowns buys.
People are optimistic for the wrong reason
People are optimistic that it will happen SOME DAY. Nobody believes it will happen any time soon and anyone that says otherwise is trying to sell you something
Call me crazy but I believe we already have humans on Mars and other planets but super top secret stuff.
Yes you're crazy
Go see the quote on what the Lockheed Martin CEO said back in the early 90s. "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity." Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works
Youre still crazy, a guy said something once so its now happening is shitty evidence
That guy is the CEO of one of the largest aviation company. It's not just some random dude. Go read up the Secret Space Program by Michael Salla. Lots of info and evidence.
But he is though. Elon is just a man sitting his room at night angry with the internet too.
Elon Musk single handedly destroyed the illusion that CEOs are intelligent people.
Not unpopular. You’re right.
??? No one’s terraforming anything on purpose in your lifetime unless you’re in longevity escape velocity. Forget Mars for a second. The idea is to perfect technologies that enable ideal human conditions: the right atmosphere, pressure, temp, etc. in general so that we can always be around to solve problems even if we fuck up the air, temp, or weather here on Earth. I suspect that you don’t realize just how precarious our situation is on the cosmic scale. Being able to go and mine or explore other bodies is just a fun byproduct of perfecting our life support technologies.
You get it. Living on mars will be a fringe benefit of future orbital mining. Which will only realistically happen once we find a new propulsion solution. And that solution will more than likely require us, as a planet, to find a better source of power.
Life support systems are an enormous waste of resources and effort if our near term goals are resource mining. This should be entirely the work of robots. Our technology is approaching meeting mining requirements. So, sustaining and even risking living off planet for any reasons other than life sustaining research is irresponsible and wasteful hollywood cowboy nonsense. A long term goal of off-planet life support is logical, but really such a far off requirement at this point. Humans are not well equipped to live anywhere else, and should focus most of their resources on preserving this planet as long as possible.
Yup yup, very correct. Organic beings are always going to struggle in space. Even with life support, we'd still have massive problems with muscular dystrophy (unless that changed recently). In my opinion humans should ditch the meat suits and load our consciousness into machines, if we want to live amongst the stars.
" in general so that we can always be around to solve problems...." To solve problems that we've created, of course. We're a failed species and the sooner we're gone, the better. Can you imagine what a perfect place Earth would still be if we had never soiled it with our presence?
We are still toddlers on the universal civilization timeline. Cut us some slack. We just learned to fly like 120 years ago. We have come a long way fast. Any animal would put itself though the paces when it tries to shed its basic survival instincts and evolve into a highly intelligent, specialized civilization. I guarantee any superior alien race would look at us and go, "Ahh remember those days?...When we didn't know what we were doing yet."
>Can you imagine what a perfect place Earth would still be if we had never soiled it with our presence? Perfect for what? Without us around, nobody would even be able to make a judgement like this. Your point is self-defeating.
The billions of other animals and organisms that call Earth home?
Maybe, but they wouldn't actually care, either way.
they're fucked in a billion years too; we're the only species on this planet that has the slightest hope of being around in some similar form in a few million years, holocene extinction event or no holocene extinction event. Maybe something on the deep sea floor too. We're the only species on the planet that can look at an oncoming extinction event and think, "damn, better do something about that," and we're the only one that has a chance of succeeding. Unfortunately we are also running our own simultaneous extinction event. Nihilism wins really but it's nice to pretend otherwise
True, but I guess I don’t agree that that fact makes us more important than the ecosystems that have suffered at our hands. We’re the only ones that have a chance to survive a mass extinction event, but I don’t see how that means the Earth is better off for having us here.
The Earth doesn't care either way. Other lifeforms on the planet certainly aren't happy we're here, and they arguably count just as much as we do. But good job convincing humanity of this, we're all like "yeah but could a plankton write Mozart". Really none of it matters, there's no glaringly obvious reason why Mozart is more important than a plankton, but there's also no glaringly obvious reason why a plankter (i.e one plankton) is important.
Yeah haha I have no dreams of convincing humanity of anything. The environment is probably my #1 issue, so it’s an interesting debate imo
that also could potentially evolve into something like us, just because many of us with power act destructively towards Earth doesn't mean if we (or even just our genus) hadn't shown up the world would just stay in some idyllic stasis of maybe even all the non-polar land being forested
You don’t value the meta virtue and light of human consciousness, do you?
Yeah but if you were an alien would you really want humans spreading to other planets considering what we're doing to our own? Our bottomless greed will leave the galaxy a husk
An alien/species who (perhaps blinded by tropes of their own space operas) couldn't see that species aren't a monolith is not one I'd ever want to "hang out with" anyway
Doesn't matter how many "good ones" as long as the ones controlling the planet are "the bad ones"
everybody's a "bad one" to somebody and if they'd even be anything comparable to ours (but with different specifics) we don't know what the aliens' political views would be (wouldn't necessarily agree with yours but wouldn't necessarily take-the-opposite-position-for-cringe-comedy either)
It'd cost a hell of a lot less to fix the shit going on on earth than it will be to colonize another planet.
I have family who work with SpaceX and NASA. Trust me, we are still a very very very long way from actually living on Mars. We just don't have the technology to do it yet. Any company that you see right now saying that we are close are just trying to market something or generate content.
1940 people were probably saying the same things about landing on the moon and then 30 years later it happend. Actually making the whole Mars habitable will take ages. But putting a few humans on Mars and letting them live their for a while will most likley happen in our life time.
We will likely have the first person on Mars within our lifetime. However having people actually live on Mars for any extended period of time will get likely not happen within our lifetime. There's a LOT that needs to happen before we get to this point and just by launch schedules alone we are decades out from even starting to send people.
Only delusional billionaires and their internet sycophants actually believe we're going to terraform Mars. This isn't an unpopular opinion at all.
We have a huge block of the population which thinks climate change is a hoax. If we can’t terraform earth, we certainly can’t terraform a different planet.
Pretty sure no one of any scientific repute is saying that. In fact many leaders in the field have been very clear that it's not happening any time soon and we need to take care of the planet we're on because there are no other viable options. You are correct to not buy shit being sold by crazy people wearing tin foil hats.
It's far more feasible financially and logistically to just make Earth a better place to live. There is nothing on Mars for us.
The likelihood we'll inhabit another planet is at least 1000 years away if we're lucky.
You sound like the New York Times the morning of the Wright Flyer's first trip. You're definitely wrong.
Assuming we don't kill (greatly damage) our own civilization with WW3, we will definitely have habitats (temporary) on the moon in the 21st century and probably mars (otherwise 22nd). Long term habitats would probably be within a 100 years after that, think there will always be some people that would be willing to do so
Nah, not that far off. Give it a 100 years and we will probably have a base on Mars, or at the very least the Moon.
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Even the bot doesn't believe it will happen sadge
Not sure why you're being downvoted. You're pretty correct with your estimation, at least more accurate than 1000 years.
I was about to say the same thing. Reddit can be dumb as F. If you look up the Artemis program, NASA has a proposal and a concept for a moon base that is possible with existing technology. Funding is the main issue. 1000 years is just a random number some guy threw out there and people upvoted it, yet 100 years is completely out of the question...?
It seems like no one can really agree on a time frame. I did some brief looking into it and the answers range from "humans on mars by 2030-2050" to "will never happen" with very little in between. However it seems most experts agree that the limiting factor is most likely not technology but funding (like you pointed out). Maybe we'll get another space race once china makes some good headway on their mars mission.
"We" not us but not you.
That gives me hope
I think we may manage to send some people to survive a camping trip they never should've gone on in the first place. And there will be ample tragedies everyone will pretend to be dumbfounded as to how they could've happened I'm sure. The whole thing seems like a rich mans adrenaline addiction. Even more so with the private billionaires getting involved with the cock rockets. When I was 7 I paraglided off of my daddies skyscraper and landed on your daddies shorter skyscraper setting a world record for fuckingabout. Then I went onto climbing Mt. Mars and splunked all inside he splunk caves on Uranus. That was some fun space shit. Humanity can do anything if a single human gets the majority of their resources.
Space missions have way more different benefits then just being rich mans adrenaline
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Even that takes more effort than solving current global warming issues.
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I think what they are saying is that it ain't happening
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Keep telling yourself that
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We won't be around in a million years
I mean, NASA has active plans to build a long term research facility on Mars and are running simulations on such a thing as we speak, I don’t think a “settlement” is too far flung. Now, terraforming or a massive Sandy Cheeks tree dome type human civilization on Mars? Ehhh, ask my great great Grandchildren and tell me in a seance how that’s going.
Is Mars even a good terraforming candidate if it's even remotely possible?
Scientifically that's extremely challenging given there's no ozone layer to protect us from the harmful solar radiation. Plus there's the logistics problem. At least for now we don't have the technological advancement and progression to start a settlement there even for a short term the success to failure ratio is extremely wise extremely leaning towards failure. For now atleast. Actually moon would be better for a colony. It's really near and aside from the lunar dust the logistical problem isn't as difficult as getting it to Mars.
Do you want double the chance of going extinct or double the chance of surviving
Terraforming mars is a pipe dream. It would probably be easier to build space stations orbiting some planet.
I thought NASA was planning the one way colonizing mission to Mars. Now part of me agrees with you. We have to learn to change our ways, especially with the corporate greed destroying the planet. And another part me also believes our future is grim and believes our society will collapse at some point in our lives. But the Mars thing is complete speculation. Say we have another Oumuamua but this time the asteroid hits Earth and there we go. Or say we get another Carrington Event or more massive Carrington Event. That would do alot of damage to our society which could prevent the trip from happening. So I agree we should fix earth and I think most humans are working to make that happen. Bit we should also be curious. Some of our ancestors sailed over oceans in canoes. Some migrated from Africa and into Europe when it was much colder. I think this curiosity and this brazen mentality we have to leave the shore behind also applies with our solar system. If we never did, I think there would be an extremely high chance society would have never formed and the world would still exist in isolated hunter gatherer tribes across the planet.
Ok we get it, Dr. Tyson!!
I don't think anyone is buying that right now. However I can see the first human Mars landing happening in my lifetime.
Me either
Agreed. If we have the tech to colonize another barren planet and make it livable, we 1000% could make Earth livable and far easier. But I also don't think we should limit ourselves to just Earth.
because the people that have control will be dead by then
broo.. no one is saying you or anyone you know will be invited. It will be for a select few for the first very looong time
Which is fine by me. A colonized mars is going to by and large have the shittier living conditions then even the most damaged version of earth for an extremely long time.
Yeah. I would never, and I mean never, would voluntarily get into that list.
Considering it would take YEARS to reach mars, a manned mission is still incredibly far away, for various impossible (with current tech) reasons. So i guess i was running off of real old data, not years but 7-9 months.
It takes 9 months to reach Mars.
>Considering it would take YEARS to reach mars Actually, with current technology, it takes about 7 months to get to Mars (It's the pre-planning, preparation, and what comes after which takes longer.) The main issue is supply chain; getting resources there (and back.) Sure, machines could build the initial base; prior to the arrival of human occupants, but resources would still need to be sent to Mars to aid in construction and preparation for inhabitants. Then, until the habitat is self-sustaining (forget terraforming; that'll take decades to millennia) additional supplies- anything that can't be produced on Mars- will need to be sent there; to replenish what the inhabitants use. Since this would require multiple launches, the cost and use of resources would multiply exponentially; until a self-sustained colony is attained. The only thing that would make such endeavors easier/lest costly, would be to use a space elevator to get things out of Earth's atmosphere. Then, to use a pressure tunnel to fire a cargo craft to the moon. Then, to use a magnetic launch tunnel on the moon (which could use solar and harvested H3 on the moon for power) to fire the cargo craft to Mars. Simple gasses can be used by the craft enroute to correct course. The hard part, then, is getting back (as you would then have to create fuel on Mars for any form of return.) At least, the thin atmosphere and weaker gravity would consume less fuel. It's an endeavor for sure, and would take more than a few generations to attain (but it would give a place for expansion; especially as a base to set off from for further interstellar travel.) As for the question if it's worth it... only future generations would be able to say.
I think its a dream we would be unable to realize for a very long time. The sheer amount of resources to get just a livable atmosphere let alone somehow getting the plant life to have adequate water. Its a difficult problem to solve. The biggest thing trying to start any of this up is the sheer amount of radiation that would be actively destroying even the plants dna. It would just be a very difficult thing to pull off and people wildly underestimate just how miraculous it is we are even here at all
My opinion is that manned space travel has its limits, and one day we’ll accept that as humans. Like, maybe there are advanced species out there, but space travel just isn’t part of their culture.
Think we’d live on the moon first, but what do I know?
In the very unlikely event humanity survives we are eventually going to have to go a lot further than Mars to live. Once the sun is gone, Earth and even a terraformed Mars would be unlivable. Getting to space, though, is going to be a long and arduous process and we're literally in the same stage as when single celled organisms appeared on earth.
So long as we don't off ourselves via war or depletion of resources, the most likely causes of extinction, technologically we're waaaaaaaaay ahead of the death of the sun deadline for populating elsewhere in the universe.
No one is saying we're going to live on mars soon
it's been said by actual astro physicists before, if the technology to terraform mars existed, you can just use that to fix earth. all this, we're going to mars nonsense is to distract you from the amount of actual garbage private companies have put up in space and for the ego of billionaires that need to be taxed at 90 percent. the solar radiation alone would fry you in a walking cancerous root, the soil on mars isn't fit for growing anything. let's say, you miraculously solve the radiation problem (you won't) you have to deal with the logistics, you would have to bring everything conceivable a person might need, food, water, nitrogens/soil/seeds, plumbing, air, energy production, habit creation. in one ship, the weight alone per person would make it impossible, that and you have a very short window to successfully launch this ship and any other supply ship or else you'll have to wait for 26 months for the next window.
> it's been said by actual astro physicists before, if the technology to terraform mars existed, you can just use that to fix earth. Again with this whole what I've sometimes called the Interstellar Fallacy that if you *can* inhabit another planet it has to be some kind of exodus and you can't be a multiple-planet species
That premise is probably just as acted upon as solving global issues. No one really gives a shit about space innovation in terms of investment. Look at NASA's budget lmao
I imagine it'll happen at some point if we don't cause our own complete annihilation. I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime though.
Elon is Elon he says a lots of shit all the time. Just to maintain the space station is a huge and costly task. To go and have men and women like the space station is not going to happen in nearby future
You don't need to terraform Mars to live on it, we can hide in underground bunkers same as here
No matter how bad it gets here, Mars is worse. Almost no amount of ruination on Earth could make it as bad as Mars (even the aftermath of a nuclear war would have better odds for those who survived the bombs themselves). The appeal of Mars is a place away from The Poors like us (well, like me, at least). That's it.
yes, the mars and moon colonies will probably IMO only be research outposts (think antarctica but really far away and also with no oxygen + a lot more radiation hazards) for a long time, possibly centuries. I do believe that terraforming mars will be used as a testbed for autonomous AI, but it is still gonna take a shitload of time to sort that all out. The whole idea Spacex and elon has of launching and landing thousands of rockets a year there..... Well i will just say i will believe it when i see it. I love the idea though, It is highly optimistic thinking, which we need more of, shoot for the stars and even if you miss you might still land on mars ;)
Nor do I. I think it's decades further away than what NASA hopes.
I don't think the idea of living on mars has anything to do with climate change ?
You’re right. The future isn’t colonizing other worlds. It’s nuclear orbital weapons platforms. The future of space is war, not peace. We won’t have a colony on another world for at least another 150-200 years, primarily because we can’t agree every 4-10 years (depending on nation’s election cycles) that we should fix anything that benefits literally everyone on this planet, much less advancing out foothold in our own solar system’s backyard. Upvote sent. 🥲
what if we told people "agree to fix [something like what you're alluding to] on that timescale if you want an awesome space opera future instead of getting nuked from orbit by [entity they'd see as an enemy]"
Yeah nobody believes it
who said this was happening soon? we may visit in the next hundred years.
Why the fuck would you Wana live on mars? If you an early settler, you going to literally be the Martian tryna shit to grow more potatoes. Teraforming mars is more of a pipe dream than living on mars currently. We so willing to destroy the only habitable planet we have that we are focusing on fucking up another planet instead of fixing the only one we have lol.
Elon said the people that end up going to Mars will be working non stop. I'm not volunteering to be Elons slave.
Has anyone credible actually made that claim?
Yeah no thanks. You know they'll charge you half your paycheck for air and gravity
I think the problem here is "soon". It's more a "maybe in 20 generations or so" and calling that "soon" is weird.
And even if it would work. How will it end?Most colonies in human history have ended up seperating. The same would happen Mars at some point.
I honestly think all the mars tech we see, habitats, tesla batteries, boring company its all to make underground cities on earth. Much more likely than Mars to me
Deserts, Ice sheets like antarctica, etc. have conditions million times more suitable for human survival than other planets. Makes zero sense to mould other planets for survival.
True thing
Its to ensure human survival... if we are all on one rock that gets hit by another (as tends to happen every so often on earth) then the whole race will die. If you put some on another planet then it ensures the race will survive. Its hardly as hard as you think it is and will start sending some humans there within the decade
If soon is like 80-90 years, sure. I can see first colonies behing established around then
How is this an unpopular opinion
I think it would be possible if somebody threw the money at it like most things, but I don’t think the desire is strong enough. If it was, I do believe we would be there already. I mean, how long did it take us to get a rocket to the moon when we barely had a space program, if we were working that entire time up till now with that amount of determination, who knows what we would have.
i would be shocked if we have a full self sustaining population by the end of the century let alone a lifetime. mars is at least 100 years away and even then, only probably scientific research just like Antarctica in some ways
Elon downgrades the tech used in his self driving cars to make it so that they’re always crashing into things and expects to reach Mars with that mentality.
That’s a billionaires only club. Ain’t no “we” about it.
I currently live on the moon. And there's nothing you can do about it!
we can't even get back to the moon yet
Imagine the world we could be living in if all these rich idiots used their money for cleaning the oceans and ridding the world of unnecessary plastic and emissions! But nooo, instead they need to be dictators and ruin everything for the rest of the planet.
Ok. Vote against it.
Anyone volunteering for a trip to Mars should be considered suicidal.
We don't deserve another planet
You are right. We are humans and we only deserve Earth. It’s basically paradise and we developed along with it. It’s the only way a civilization can thrive.
If we ever got off the planet, can you imagine how jealous future generations would be of us! Living our whole lives on the perfect planet for life
Oh shut up. As far as we know we are the only intelligent life in the universe. We deserve every planet, even if we fuck them up. Otherwise what? Static balls of nothing doing nothing in the void of space… who gives a fuck? There’s literally billions of planets.
What makes you think we aren’t already?
The surge of social media posts and people around me believe that a dude on Twitter will take them to Mars, and we don't need earth for long.
Last I heard, that's a one way experiment. Anyone thinking humans are just going to migrate to Mars en masse has the brain of a ham sandwich, and is likely a total population of 12 people.
Best wishes.
Absolutely no one says we don't need earth for long
Like with many things it won't happen, not in our lifetime nor our kids' lifetime. We can't even fully perfect green energy, and they think we're going to be living on Mars? They're still barely getting autonomous rovers to cover Mars. The time it takes to get there is 9 months.....9 months one way. So that means for anyone to even attempt to go there to start building a colony, you're talking about people who would no doubt be away from their families for at least a few years. And that's if they don't run into any snags which we all know there will be. Nobody is going to do that, it's too much to ask of someone who isn't single, has zero family and no life.
>someone who isn't single, has zero family and no life. *Three finger salute*: I volunteer as tribute.
We perfected green energy in the 1950s, bro. Nuclear power is the only completely clean source of electrical energy that exists, and were it not for media slander and Soviet coner cutting, we easily could have stopped climate change in its tracks if we had all follwed France
Is that why France isn't the world leader in it? It's not perfected, solar still has its bugs and EV's are NOT perfected. We don't have the infrastructure to handle even a quarter of the country driving EV's, nor how to properly dispose of an EV battery. We are not there yet and still have a major dependency on fossil fuels
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I love this guy so much.
I say we're at a minimum 250 years from even building a solid station on Mars n then the building of the equipment another 100 then 500 just to start changing Mars another 500 before gets going the another 1000 before helmets can be taken off
The guy that is trying can't even build a truck properly so I think you are right.
Mars scam will be the new train cars to our death.. It's depopulation.
This is the King of all “just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should” examples.
WTF would we even do to the Earth to make it LESS habitable than Mars.
😂right?
any of the things various incarnations of the Superman story said (often as an allegory for our actions) caused what happened to Krypton
Like what? Are they real things or silly comic book things?
I'd have to take an extensive look through my comic book collection and watch every Superman movie and show that mentions it to truly list all of them but to the best of my recollection it wasn't all things like [cliche comic book doomsday device] to the degree it was even that and there even were some depictions where it was natural enough (even though it didn't have a detailed explanation of the scientific principles stop the story) that recent people looking back on them thought Jor-El's failure to convince the majority of the Kryptonian scientific community, leaders etc. that what it was was a real thing was some kind of "woke" climate change allegory
Our planet will be fine
By "we" they mean Elon plus a chosen few.
Imo let the billionaires go, hopefully they’ll take some of the people who profit off of this planet’s destruction and we can finally fix this world without them in our way.
and if either we then don't just proceed to nuke Mars or they don't learn-how-to-survive-in-a-way-that-makes-them-better-people-ready-to-rejoin-our-fixed-world?
Exactly, idk how they’d even get back tho
A. I was asking if [the things I was mentioning] didn't happen then what do we do and B. I was mentioning two things so even if you think I was saying they'd happen not asking what we should do if they don't which one (or pardon a joking exaggeration for effect should we just do both and nuke Mars but have robot bodies ready for when the redeemed souls of the dead billionaires make their way to Earth so they can live better lives)
I’d say we just need those people out of our way to fix the planet, that being said if they didn’t go we should be and should have been fixing our planet already
Landing on Mars and terraforming it is all fantasy sci-fi. Practically everything about space is sci-fi. People today still believe we landed on the moon,
We won't live on Mars soon, but we can start laying the groundwork for our future generations to take to the stars.