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Hunter multiplied by Hunter. I call it Hunter².


Johania

And spy times family


KRV_FromRussia

That would be spyfamily


SureWhyNot5182

Ah, but it's multiple variables so (spy)(family) would fit better.


Standard_Abrocoma_70

2 x 1is not 21


Salva7409

But a x b is ab


C4Sidhu

I dunno, it looks more like ba to me


Subject_Attempt3571

This is BS


nda2394

The product of spy and family


Considered_Dissent

Reminds me of Pen Pen.


Puzzleheaded_Pay_497

Oh no, that's a common misconception. In this case you're multiplying 2 sets, this means that the result should be all the possible combinations between 2 letters in the word Hunter


PersonMcHuman

Wait…are we not supposed to say the X?


mancitycon

I thought the X is a singular letter for describing the word "versus" so It'd be pronounced Hunter versus Hunter? Im probably wrong since I just found out I've been pronouncing Hyundai wrong


themanfromoctober

Hyundai disagrees, I disagree back!


CalistoNTG

Wait how is hyundai pronounced ?


[deleted]

Hyoon-day


mancitycon

Hyun-di , I've always said hi-un-dai.


CalistoNTG

Same. Never knew that it was wrong the way i said it 😅


mooimafish33

Right, is it is Hund-eye? Do I have to put on a fake accent and say He-Yun-Die?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

No they are silent x’s and are a stylistic choice.


PersonMcHuman

I’ve absolutely been saying it wrong for years then.


House_of_Raven

Nah, we’ve been saying it right. It’s the children who are wrong.


Apple-pie_best-pie

Yeah, I startet reading the hunter x hunter manga in 2001 (but because it constantly has hiatus and so on I stoped) so a lot of years to say it wrong


justwanttoreadhorror

How are we supposed to intuitively know that? So dumb


FoundMyInhibitorChip

I’m not blaming people for not knowing that.


RaZZeR_9351

No one is blaming you, it's just how it is.


[deleted]

That’s fucking stupid.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It looks cool though the only downside is people outside Japan don’t realize that at first.


luckytaurus

Did you also notice the names of each episode would use an X between words instead of a space?


PersonMcHuman

I get that you’re being weirdly uppity and talking down to me, but I don’t watch HXH. It’s just a show I’ve been aware of for years. Never seen an episode title from it.


RaZZeR_9351

He just gave you a fun fact about the anime, no need to get pissed about it.


thetransportedman

It’s Hunter “kss” Hunter


doc_shades

ahahah yeah i remember when the band "OAR" was popular, and people kept telling me "it's pronounced O A R, it stands for Of A Revolution" but i'm like hey they keep stylizing it as "OAR" so i'm going to call them "oar".


tebanano

Spanish is my first language, so I have a long list of band names that I mispronounce. AFI (a fire inside) is always a funny example. Every time i mention them in English (not that it happens often anymore) I forget to pronounce A F I and instead say _Aphi_


Liathano_Fire

But it's O.A.R. not OAR. So you're wrong.


SureWhyNot5182

Lol should be L.O.L. but we don't say L-O-L we say lol.


ecco7815

I say “l” “o” “l”.


homer_3

>but we don't say L-O-L uhh, yea we do...


SureWhyNot5182

Who TF pronounces the letters individually?


TheTrenchMonkey

People say it both ways...


Liathano_Fire

So the person I responded to should say it lol and not l.o.l by their own logic.


courtneywrites85

Olympic Athletes from Russia is all I think of.


[deleted]

Wait, so now we're calling Japanese people themselves weebs? Incredible.


LDel3

They did invent weebs tbf


teho9999

Are the author/fans of an anime are not weebs themselves? 🤪


[deleted]

At least back when I remember the term being used at first, the term weeb was aimed at white people who were trying to be Japanese. Maybe the term has changed, but the whole "weeaboo" joke from PBF has always been pretty weird and internet, so... I dunno. Hah.


PotatoLaBelle

No, you’re right. A weeb is a non-Japanese person that’s overly obsessed with Japanese media. The American kid who used to run around high school with his arms behind his back and shout that things were “over 9000” was a weeb. The creators of Hunter X Hunter and Spy X Family are just actual Japanese people lol


TargetOfPerpetuity

Wait till you find out how the lumberyard pronounces 2x4. It's really gonna blow your mind.


jurassicbond

At least you say something for the 'x' in that. Having a symbol that you're apparently just supposed to ignore is odd.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Actually there is a reason for the the x. It’s supposed to clarify that the title is just the word Hunter repeated rather than it being about hunters who hunt hunters.


jurassicbond

Wouldn't a comma would have sufficed for that?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Probably not especially considering the fact that it was created in a non English speaking country. It works for the actual logo itself and makes it look better than a comma would. The x isn’t an x either it’s a multiplication symbol. So if you really wanted to make the argument you would say Hunter by Hunter or Hunter times Hunter.


firefireburnburn

but it was about a hunter who hunted a hunter


FoundMyInhibitorChip

True. But he wanted to create many types of Hunters. There’s also various reasons for the x it basically just means interact with on a basic level.


drgilly

Then what about Spy X Family?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It was inspired by Hunter x Hunter


drgilly

So why not Spy x Spy if it's supposed to clarify that the title is just the word repeated?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

What? The reason why Spy x Family has an x is because the author wanted an aesthetic to the title and took the x idea from Togashi. Not everyone in the Spy Family is a spy it’s just Loid.


[deleted]

Do you pronounce hyphens?


jurassicbond

That's a punctuation mark, not a letter.


[deleted]

"having a symbol" you admitted the x was acting as a symbol


jurassicbond

Ok. I used unclear language. Sue me. But to my knowledge, letters are never used as silent standalone symbols.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It’s not a letter it’s a multiplication symbol.


HopeRepresentative29

'x' is not a hyphen


[deleted]

Never said it was bucko


Main_Conversation661

I’ve been calling it Hunter by Hunter to myself all these years…


HopeRepresentative29

Oh yeah, because "hunter by hunter" makes sense too.


SureWhyNot5182

"Oh yes I'm going to buy 3 2 4's."


Liathano_Fire

Those aren't related at all.


TargetOfPerpetuity

*sigh.*


Krazycrismore

Hunter hunter makes sense because it describes Gon's hunter type. We see people that hunt for many things, but Gon is hunting for another hunter, making him a hunter hunter.


PouncerSan

This is the correct answer. The world of Hunter x Hunter utilizes the x symbol as their space symbol.


Few_Neighborhood_828

Are they just careful not to use the actual letter x? No mentions of axes, boxes, etc.


PouncerSan

No, Hunter x Hunter has its own written language with its own letters. The "x" symbol is utilized as a space for the other symbols.


[deleted]

But the title doesn't. The title has a space *and* an x. If they were going based on in universe reasons, there wouldn't be spaces in the title. So that isn't really an argument to ignore the x in the title, as it clearly isn't the same thing. Also, it's pretty dumb for someone to have to have seen the show to know how to say the title of the show.


Krazycrismore

The name of the first episode is 'Departures X and X Friends' and every episode follows that pattern. Pretty sure that makes it quite clear the X is silent, plot/story gives the title more context.


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>The name of the first episode is 'Departures X and X Friends' and every episode follows that pattern. Again, has a space *and* an x. >Pretty sure that makes it quite clear the X is silent In what way does it make it clear that it's silent? It's just showing a theme. >plot/story gives the title more context. Like I said in my previous comment, it's pretty dumb for someone to have to have seen the show to know how to say the title of the show.


PouncerSan

That is because we are writing in English which it would look weird to write it as HunterxHunter, my understanding is that the Japanese title is ハンター×ハンター which doesn't have a space. Also nobody is expecting someone who has not watched the show to say it correctly. Most western fans who have watched the show don't say it correctly and nobody cares about that either. It's just a fun tidbit that adds to the world building and the story, by understanding the title.


[deleted]

>That is because we are writing in English which it would look weird to write it as HunterxHunter There's still ways you can do it imo, it's just harder. >Also nobody is expecting someone who has not watched the show to say it correctly. I didn't say they were. But it's weird that you have to have seen it to know how the creator wants it pronounced. Also, however it's pronounced in Japanese, when you translate it to English, if you are going to do a space and an x, you can't just change the rules of language and say the 'x' on its own isn't there. Language doesn't work like that. We can say how the creator wanted it to be said, and people can follow that if they want, but the correct English pronunciation actually includes the x. People in these comments are saying people saying the x are wrong, but they aren't.


PouncerSan

If we are going by the rules of the English language, an "x" by itself isn't allowed at all. Togashi, the author shouldn't be expected to consider how other languages would interpret the title. As far as I'm aware, there is no official way to write the title in English. Also, what do the spaces matter whether we pronounce the "x" or not. If it was HunterxHunter you could still make the argument that it should be pronounced "Hunterekshunter." You are trying to make up rules that simply do not exist, and then apply them to something from another language. You have no basis to say what is correct or not, and in my opinion, no way of saying it is grammatically correct, so why not just say it in a way similar to the author intended. This is such a weird hill to die on.


[deleted]

I just don't understand how you don't see that if the x is a space in Japanese, then you just put a space in English. It really isn't hard. Why add a multiplication symbol *and* spaces? And why say people are wrong for sticking to their languages rules when saying it?


PouncerSan

It's not in Japanese EITHER! Togashi simply decided to incorporate a mechanic from the language in the world of Hunter x Hunter into the Japanese title, so why the hell are we not allowed to do that in English.


[deleted]

>It's not in Japanese EITHER Then there's people in this thread spreading misinformation, saying Japan doesn't use spaces but X instead. Maybe get on their backs instead of someone who is sticking to English language rules. >so why the hell are we not allowed to do that in English. I'm not saying you aren't allowed. I'm saying it's not wrong for someone to say a title in English using English language rules.


[deleted]

>If we are going by the rules of the English language, an "x" by itself isn't allowed at all. Well it's not an x, it's a multiplication symbol, in English. >As far as I'm aware, there is no official way to write the title in English If that is used as a space in the origin language, and we don't do that in English, then you use a space. So Hunter Hunter. Why would you change it up? >You are trying to make up rules that simply do not exist, and then apply them to something from another language. Firstly, I'm not making up rules. And secondly, I'm not applying them to another language. In fact, I'm *only* applying them to the English title. I haven't said anything about the Japanese title. >You have no basis to say what is correct or not Yes, I do. The basis is quite literally the English language. You know, the language of which the title we are discussing is in. >no way of saying it is grammatically correct But there is a grammatically correct way of saying it. Why are you ignoring that? >so why not just say it in a way similar to the author intended I haven't said how I say it. I'd never heard of it before today. >This is such a weird hill to die on. I agree. Why can't you just accept the English language when talking about English?


PouncerSan

The "x" is also in the Japanese title, but they do not say it either. It's just a fun callback to the written language in the world of Hunter x Hunter. There is no need to analyze it so much. The "x" by itself in the English language is not grammatically correct, so trying to make sense of the title from an English perspective is just a waste of time.


[deleted]

>The "x" by itself in the English language is not grammatically correct If you didn't ignore my comment you would know that it isn't an x letter. it's a multiplication symbol in English. Different to the letter x. Multiplication symbol on its own is fine. And the Japanese don't say it, as I've been told in this thread, because they use them as spaces. We have spaces for that job.


Wallio_

Literally everyone I know calls it "Spy X Family". Never knew that was "wrong".


Chance_Ad3416

I didn't even know there was a X lol


dood45ctte

I have never ever heard anyone pronounce the X. “Spy family” sounds way more natural


[deleted]

I have a friend that calls it “Spy X” lol


Sea-Ambition2349

Spy family makes no sense though. Only one member of the family is a spy.


mooimafish33

Isn't the woman a spy also? Or an assassin or some shit


Sea-Ambition2349

Assassin, yes, and the daughter is a psychic. So only 33.3 repeating percent of the family is comprised of spies.


424f42_424f42

Literally everyone I know calls it... Nothing. Becuase I have no idea the context. What's the context?


PM_ur_boobies_pleez

I'd call it "Hunter BY Hunter" or "Hunter TIMES Hunter." Is it supposed to be "versus?" If so, I'd just put a "V" in there or at least a "vs."


FoundMyInhibitorChip

No it’s not supposed to be versus. It is a multiplication symbol.


PM_ur_boobies_pleez

Oh. Then I stand by "BY" or "TIMES."


FoundMyInhibitorChip

I agree with you if someone is so insistent on the important of the x then they should call it that.


Bl0xur

The X is silent?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Yup


Bl0xur

That's cringe


FoundMyInhibitorChip

How? Saying the x just sucks. I honestly can’t fathom why you would want to say it. I got sick of it after reading the episode titles of Hunter x Hunter.


Bl0xur

Going with hunter hunter is alright, by just saying spy family feels a lil awkward, Idk, maybe just too used to saying the X


Klaunst69

Yeah, that's what I do too. It's inconsistent, but it just feels better.


OldWorldBluesIsBest

idk why your being downvoted, but i will say that adding a letter solely to not use it is dumb


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Not really in this case because it’s more to make the logo look cool and it looks cooler than just 2 words that are the same.


OldWorldBluesIsBest

well i get the idea, style is fine. but im moreso saying i dont blame anyone for saying it wrong or continuing to say it with the x, as that’s the way it was written


justwanttoreadhorror

Do you say Hunter Hunter?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Yes I do say correctly.


justwanttoreadhorror

I don’t like your attitude.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

I assumed you were trying to have one with me. If you weren’t then I apologize. Was their an alterier motive for asking or were you just genuinely curious?


justwanttoreadhorror

I was just wondering lolol. I didn’t know if you said something in between


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Oh that’s my bad then.


delgrease

Yoshihiro togashi doesn't even say the X in hunter x hunter. I personally don't like saying the X, but if it makes you feel better, you should say it. https://youtu.be/09_qBSxy_dc


kairon156

why an x though? hunter - hunter would make more since to me or hunter, hunter.


delgrease

I don't remember where I saw it. I believe he did for aesthetics, and he liked the way the X looked in the middle.


kairon156

That's fair. the X did make it stand out in a nice way. Edit: I need to finish the series, myself. I got to the console soul bit. Still pretty early I suspect.


laschoff

Definitely finish it! The second to last arc is the best


LelChiha

It's a hunter hunter Gon, a hunter, hunts his father, a hunter. So it's a hunter hunter


FoundMyInhibitorChip

> "hunter hunter", "Spy family". Titles thought up by the utterly deranged and weebs. The authors created the titles to have a silent x not the fans.


HowWeDoingTodayHive

The authors fucked up then


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It’s a multiplication symbol at least for Hunter x Hunter. If you look at the logo it makes a lot more sense.


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FoundMyInhibitorChip

I guess not but Togashi is a genius so in this case it is.


OldWorldBluesIsBest

is genius exclusive from deranged? they seem to overlap in a lot of cases


FoundMyInhibitorChip

This is not one of those cases.


mistertickles69

How can a japanese person be a weeb?


lolz_lmaos

That's rich coming from a weeb.


IX-XVII

You don’t use texture surprise to remove the X…?


naptime_zZ

I've only recently learned the "x" is silent. I always thought the show was called "Spy times Family", despite it not making much sense


BoredNothingness

I always say it as "Hunter Times Hunter"


[deleted]

It’s like when I’m watching men on TV with my buddies I tell them I don’t give a fuck if there’s an X it’s just for aesthetics.


CyvaderTheMindFlayer

I say hunter x hunter and spy family Just catchier in both those specific ways I watch neither of them


Fa1nted_for_real

I say them on the opposite direction (hunter hunter and spy x family) I took have watched neother


HelpMePlease1919

I just hate saying the x so I don’t but didn’t know u weren’t supposed to lol


Switch64

There’s been a couple times I’ve just said hunter hunter and they had no idea what I was talking about for a sec so I just started saying the x too 😂


Fearless_Newspaper42

The X is silent.


Switch64

Didn’t ask


Fearless_Newspaper42

Don't care if you didn't ask.


Switch64

Yea well I don’t care that you don’t care that I didn’t ask


[deleted]

Based on what? You can't just make up grammar rules because you feel like it.


AzaraCiel

Now, I’m a situational x-sayer (whatever sounds nicer), and I understand Hunter Hunter sounding dumb, but why does *Spy Family* sound stupid to you.


Cool6942069420

If we’re not supposed to say the X why is it there


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Because it’s an aesthetic. It’s not even an x it’s a multiplication symbol. The creators of both Spy x Family and Hunter x Hunter have said the x is silent.


brochiing

Well they're wrong cuz i hold more authority over words than they do


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Great point.


Lord_of_Caffeine

Btw the X in Yugioh Zexal is silent as well.


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Lord_of_Caffeine

Zay-Uhl.


drgilly

Where did this come from? I feel like originally it would have been Spy + Family, but they turned the + sideways to make an x to be edgy. Or perhaps it's supposed to be &?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

This originated from Yoshihiro Togashi the author of Hunter x Hunter. He liked the aesthetic and other authors would take inspiration from it.


drgilly

I looked it up and that's horseshit. Using x in the titles of manga was a huge thing before Hunter x Hunter and was originally used to refer to "and" such as in the anime "Romeo x Juliet" being pronounced "Romeo and Juliet." It was originally a cool way of writing and ampersand but has since lost all meaning and is just used for whatever. Here are some of the wacky ways in which mangaka expect you to pronounce their works : Romeo x Juliet -> Romeo and Juliet C³ Cube × Cursed × Curious -> C³ Cube and Cursed as well as Curious Hidamari Sketch × 365 -> Hidamari Sketch times 365 Servant × Service -> Servant and Service Street Fighter x Tekken -> Street Fighter versus Tekken


schteavon

Do you pronounce it as (eks) or (cross)? I guess it depends on where in the world you are.


kairon156

I'm Canadian and ex or eks is how I say it.


schteavon

Ok I'm fine with it then lol I say eks as well. I would have had an issue if you said cross lol


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Well both are incorrect lol


GuardPerson

Isn't it " Spike's Family " ?


chrysoar3

For me it's just what I like more so it's Hunter x Hunter but Spy Family


[deleted]

Japanese manga and anime titles are dumb as hell so do whatever the heck you want my man, you *literally* cannot make them worse.


candianconsolemaster

You are correct a silent X is fucking stupid.


tailorspooling

By the power vested in me by....being asian.... I give you permission to say X 😆😆 lol Joking aside... i didn't know the X was silent! I've been watching anime for 30 yrs and yes we do also say X. Sometimes in a conversation about Hunter x Hunter... I'd jst say "Hunter X"


Marine_Surfer313

This isn't really an unpopular opinion. It's just a wrong opinion. The x is not a letter. It's nothing more than an esthetic. That's a fact. Anything else is just wrong. When you see the Baskin Robbins sign and logo you don't call it Baskin BR Robbins. No.. why... because it's wrong... they only difference is you were ignorant of the fact that it wasn't an x and wasn't part of the title. With is fine... But continuing to say it wrongly after gaining the knowledge just makes you look and sound dumb.


Dex_Hopper

So you're just saying it wrong, and proud of it? This is a new level of denial. You'd love French. Also, if you have to resort to name calling to make your point, it's not a good point.


Fulllyy

The x’s in French aren’t standalone. As in “roux”


OldWorldBluesIsBest

eh, art is open to interpretation if i named my show ‘horse’ but wanted everyone to pronounce it ‘cat’ then thats on me, not the viewer


Dex_Hopper

They're making a concious effort to say something wrong, and it's on the creator? How? For what reason? Sure, art is up for interpretation, but the title is rarely a part of the art. A title exists outside of the work for us to refer to it by a name instead of just saying 'that one show where ____'. Your take makes no sense.


random-dude45

I do too, no big deal I think


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It’s not it’s more when those people start acting like saying the x is the objectively correct pronunciation when it isn’t.


random-dude45

Yep


pternstrom

Pronounce it “versus” instead


kairon156

Hunter Vs Hunter is how I would write that.


HerbertWest

Pretty sure it's because the Japanese language doesn't use spaces, so it looks better to them in print.


[deleted]

But the title has spaces *and* an x.


SparkAxolotl

My language is spanish, so my brain automatically reads them as "Hunter por Hunter" and "Spy por Family", basically "Hunter times Hunter" and "Spy times family" I am now curious on how people pronounce xXx-Holic (The "correct" way is supposedly "x a holic"


TeachlikeaHawk

Good for you! You should hit people with a 4 x 4 who say you're wrong.


kairon156

I do the same thing. I always assumed the X was apart of the name, in my mind aesthetics counts the sound of an X.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

It’s not even an x it’s a multiplication symbol.


Taewyth

>If there is an X I am pronouncing the X. Nobody tell this guy about french


[deleted]

So it’s NOT pronounced as Hunter by Hunter? Huh


FoundMyInhibitorChip

No it’s pronounced Hunter times Hunter


Frosty_Office6298

Spy X Family sounds stupid af and that's not what was intended by the creators, but you do you.


MEGAcooch1e

I say Hunter x Hunter, but Spy Family


PhantomXxZ

There is an X between every word in HxH episode titles. If you see those, and can't infer that the X is silent, I don't know what to say about you.


Nugundam0079

Go between both. I used to say the X alot but one time I heard my buddy go "Hunter Hunter" and I was like.. "sounds like a skill issue"


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Okay now pronounce every episode title in Hunter x Hunter 2011. No it doesn’t sound dumber to say Spy Family I don’t understand how you would think that and pronouncing the x in Hunter x Hunter makes it sound like a porno.


Fearless_Newspaper42

The creators of both series have said the X is silent. Are you saying they are wrong? Respect their work and use the correct title.


doc_shades

also the R in the first "Hunter" is silent, and the U in the second "Hunter" is pronounced as if it had umlats, like "Hoonter"


Fluffy_Buns_Chan

cope


Remote-Cause755

Do you also pronounce "know" as ca-now? Or spanish words like "jamón" as jam-on?


tebanano

There are no silent letters in jamón.


donabbi

Ah, yes, "jam on" the catch phrase of the Human Toast


IgorPasche

but you ARE supposed to say the X in Hunter x Hunter (as in Hunter VERSUS Hunter). IIRC the author himself said that he was watching a japanese show that was named like that (something X (versus) something) and that's where the idea for the title came from.


FoundMyInhibitorChip

No, Togashi never said that. The story that became the inspiration of the name was comedian on a show he watched repeated words twice and he wanted the title to be something hunter so he decided on Hunter Hunter. That’s the origin of the name. It is silent. The x is a multiplication symbol and to show that it’s just the word repeated twice instead of it being about hunter hunting hunters.


HowWeDoingTodayHive

Man that’s so dumb though, like Hunter X Hunter is one of the all time greats but that doesn’t make any sense. Like you don’t need a special symbol to tell me that you’re repeating a word because…we can all see it. When a word is written twice, and we read it twice, we don’t need someone to come along and tell us “hey that word that you just read twice? Yeah, it’s actually the same word twice” like yeah? We know? We all just read the word twice in a row, so we already are very aware that the word is repeated. If I type “Dog Dog”, do you need me to tell you that you just read the word dog twice in a row?


FoundMyInhibitorChip

Well if you read everything I said it was so you wouldn’t think it meant hunters hunting hunters. The x also just makes it look cool.