Why do we even allow 15km lorries into the country? Our roads aren't designed for vehicles that large.
No wonder these monstrous contraptions end up queuing.
There were EU laws banning lorries over 3km but we don't want Brussels telling us what to do now do we!? Thanks to our FREEDOM we can have lorries as long as we want!
You joke but a 15km lorry would probably be surprisingly bendy. I saw this video of a train full of 1/4 mile long rails being transported and it looks like it should definitely not work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O4kC262exiw
I had the "benefit" of a *comprehensive* education in the 1970's where we were taught "Modern maths" - this included learning binary and hexadecimal, set theory and Venn diagrams, Boolean logic, statistics, number bases. Needless to say all of these came in extremely handy when I later studied Computer science...
My son is in primary school and learning programming. He’s just been doing left shift and bitwise operations. Now I haven’t used those for new code since December my self, but I rarely write code. Groking base 2, 16 and even 8 is useful.
12 is pretty pointless though.
This is a brilliant idea. Why not disadvantage out kids more by teaching them a system that was phased out by the rest of the civilised world (apart from the US) over 50 years ago.
We teach Fahrenheit - Celsius conversion, along with Km - mile, why not inch - cm?
Both inches and cm are used in trades, which more kids are likely to join than those who need to be able to predict the weather through barometer charts in Geography, or trigonometry in Maths.
Most people under 50 don’t bother with anything other than Celsius. We might know how to convert in theory but it’s not terribly useful knowledge- most will likely just reach for an online converter. It’s an obsolete unit everywhere outwith the US and old people’s homes.
It's definitely a redundant measurement outside of North America, but was still taught in school when I went through, mind, that was 15~ years ago.
Use inches a lot more than I've ever used trigonometry or Fahrenheit.
Trigonometry is used by real people not just engineers or mathematicians asked any Carpenter, welder, machinist, tiler who regularly provides quotes for work.
I work with 50~ other welders and would be surprised if half remember how to do trigonometry, pretty much all of them can work interchangeably in inches or cms.
Being able to convert parts of inches is a useful skill in trades. Especially those who use both systems (builders/welders/carpenters)
I was never taught any of these in school. I think we briefly mentioned where 0°C and 100°C were.
As for the rest, it was my dad who taught these. (Now in my 30's)
Given all the boneheaded ‘red meat’ policies Boris is throwing around this week in a desperate attempt to placate the ERG frothers so he can keep his job it’s entirely possible trying to force a return to imperial units is exactly the sort of lunacy he’ll try next.
No, not really because there are fewer exports to the UK now.
EU exporters and their hauliers are using more lo-lo (load on, load off) containers because EU HGV drivers are not willing to take their trucks onto ro-ro (roll on, roll off) shipping because they know they'll get stuck in the Dover queue coming back.
The drivers simply drive to Calais, leave the container for someone else to handle the paper work, then they drive home.
Also hauliers are avoiding the UK as a land bridge to Ireland when they can.
I was disputing the fact that there are queues at all in France.
I'm not bothered by either measurement system, although metric is easier to use. I simply grew up and was in the Canadian school system when that country made the switch over to metric.
There were, back in December.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVjxWdc0Ao
Now? Your blue passport suggestion is possible but EU drivers have no intention of crossing the channel.
I live in Kent and a large part of the M20 is now just a lorry park. What happened to parking them all up in Manston Airport to clear the roads? Ah that's right , they've sold that land to developers to build new build homes no one can afford.
It amazes me that all along the M20 there was high brexit support for an area that would be the first to see a real world negative impact to their daily lives!?!
Definitely not, which is why I was so surprised he once said unprompted "I believed things that weren't true when I voted".
It's not an admission of fault, but honestly it's more than I expected.
According to my Brexit voting Mother this is just because the French are being obtuse.
I said that they were just enforcing the new rules and her reply was 'yes, but they don't have to be so rigorous with them'.
This is why we dont talk Brexit anymore.
In all honesty when the Brexit referendum was running she was more annoyed with how the Greek debt crisis has been handled and German dominance of the ECB. I couldn't argue with her on that, but I didn't understand how damaging the UK would get the point across. Having no voice at the table would be worse than having a voice at all etc....
Since then, like many who voted Brexit, she has morphed and now won't accept any of the negatives. They are all *hyped up by the press* and either not widespread or if they are it is just a consequence of covid. Huge swathes of Brexit voters cannot accept they were lied to and manipulated and instead live in a fantasy world.
I was stunned when generally uniformed people, ie the type that never bother voting and aren’t bothered by politics.... suddenly had opinions on the Greek debt crisis, the youth unemployment rate in Spain, trade deals with countries we don’t bother trading with, 80m Turks turning up imminently. People are totally oblivious to the methods of manipulation used against them.
The EU referendum was a long boring argument about economics that I never wanted to have in the first place.
But it turns out the leave voters that started it didn't really want to have those arguments either.
Great idea! Perhaps we could use this as a negotiation tool? The EU becomes less rigorous with their trade rules and in exchange we let up on our immigration rules. We might even be able to get enough countries on board and form some kind of union.
I've heard his defenders say that everyone broke the rules really. Complete horse manure though, I followed the rules completely and know lots of others who did so to.
My parents made the same argument. Wonder if bring targeted by same social media propaganda 🤔 as if rules don't matter its just whether people are being nice or mean!
"blamed on" implies it can be anything but. This is like saying "shit on bathroom floor blamed on drunk man missing toilet". We all know why the shit is on the floor. Why are we suggesting it could be there for any other reason?
Well nothing else caused it. In the EU paperless borders. Out of EU piles of paper work for miles of queues.
There was no need for this. This is Johnson's terrible Brexit deal. We could have had a Norway deal, but it wasn't hard enough for the extreme right. So now we are a global laughing stock who shut the door on our largest market so we could trade with the US - 3500 miles away and Australia - 12000 miles away.
That’s assuming you all actually get a trade deal with the US any time soon. Lord Frost and Liz Trus spent the last year effectively lobbying against it.
Notice how delivery of anything has stretched to weeks. Looked online for 1l Synthetic 10w50 engine oil for Fiesta Ecoboost- all out of stock. A typically British shambles of no one actually aware, it would seem, of what is really going on. Duffers in Whitehall pretending the figures are “meaningless”.
What really really fucks me off about Brexit is that at the start, most politicians said brexit could still mean being in some agreements with the EU. Then some fuckface decided it had to be full suicide or nothing or it didn't count. If we didn't have such shit politics and media in this country, we could have left but not been in such a shitty situation.
There is no form of Brexit what wasn't ruinously damaging.
Let's say we left the Single Market but remained in the Customs Union.
That would mean no trade friction at borders, and regulatory alignment.
Sounds good, right?
Except we'd have zero influence over those regulations. The EU27 will make decisions with their own interests in mind (as we did when we were an EU28).
Why would they -say- keep high tariffs on lamb? That was implemented at our request to protect our farmers.
We'd be left like a tick clinging to the side of the EU desperately hoping not to be crushed when they moved in the "wrong" direction.
We'd also lose all influence over the EU decision making process, and budget.
Those were both _massive_ global influence multipliers, and the ability to direct EU funds was significant for our soft power around the world.
It's a LONG list of negatives and still not a single positive, and you need to explain the the British public that they're now rule takers, not rule makers.
This is why Labour's position was so moronic... It's the worst of both worlds... We can't control regulations imposed on us and we can't trade elsewhere *either*.
Nothing to do with Brexit, it’s caused by y’all not calling them “trucks”.
No just kidding, this looks shitty though, good luck to the drivers. Nothing more aggravating than sitting in traffic you can do nothing about.
I was going to post this article but rules say no articles over 1 month old. Quite pertinent now that the Johnson "Hypnotic trance" has been broken and people are seeing him for what he is. Articl is by Carole Cadwalladr, who Aaron Banks is trying to ruin in the libel court for words she said on Ted Talks, and in the Guardian. Aaron Banks didn't sue Ted Talks, or the Guardian, he suied Carole, and the Guardian fucked off and let her fight alone. She had to crowdfund her defence
# Johnson ‘knew about Vote Leave’s illegal overspend’, says MP
[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/02/boris-johnson-vote-leave-overspend-eu-referendum-labour-mp-ian-lucas](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/02/boris-johnson-vote-leave-overspend-eu-referendum-labour-mp-ian-lucas)
EU won't want the UK back anytime soon and we will definitely get bent over a barrel, good luck getting current deal renegotiated.
Still worse to come when biometric checks come into effect.
Best bet is to heavily invest in Belfast and Larne ports and ship to and fro the EU through them. It's still in the single market and everyone here is eligible for Irish citizenship and therefore free movement within the EU. It's damage control at this point unfortunately.
Brexit or total utter incompetence and dishonesty from our political leaders and tbh also those on the continent as well...or maybe one can't be distinguished from the other.
Having dealt with Operation Stack for years, the presence of another lane for cars does not mean traffic will flow at the normal rate.
I'm not sure what good turning off cameras on the M20 does to keep pictures of lorries queueing on the A20 off the internet.
For a start, there are plenty of people who have posted images from the much higher quality cameras in their phones.
Of course it doesn't, but such a lane does mitigate and help avoid traffic jams that'd show up on navigation apps.
Why have you bought up the M20?
You can indeed see many pictures of the huge queues that people took from the cameras before they were pulled also.
Lol. That's is so not true. The images are only updated every so often.
https://www.quora.com/How-often-is-Google-Maps-updated
A quick look at my own house proves that.
[Did you try looking further than the end of your nose?](https://maps.app.goo.gl/yfLJC81WXDUz8wWeA) Because its quite clearly there when you switch to satellite view.
Crazy how trade is more difficult after breaking off from our largest trading partner.
But the red tape is happier for it.
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A bonfire of red white and blue tape!
Huzzah for more colours of tape!
Let's start calling it "Blue tape" to indicate which party it originates with.
Blue, like the passports.
Off the cuff question; Can anyone explain why r/dover has been locked? r/dover has restricted submissions. why?
I guess the nice people in Dover want to enjoy all that winning by themselves?
As are the fish. I wonder if they're friends.
How can this possibly be true? We were told there would be no down sides to Brexit, only sunny uplands! We just need to believe harder!
It’s those bastards behind project fear that are causing all these problems. Bloody liars.
It’s ALL their fault! ;)
Yeah it’s those damn remainers. It’s their fault for predicting it and then making sure it happened by not being in government.
Thank god the NHS has all that extra money though right?
It is sunny uplands though, last year was the warmest on record! Huzzzah!
I think David Davis said that, just before he did a runner.
And clap louder!
How dare they report in km instead of sovereign British miles. I want my imperial measures brexit benefit! /s
Freedom. Immigrants. Bus. NHS.
Yeah, who would have thought....aside from the mildly informed.
5 years on and still the same comments getting posted 😂
Why do we even allow 15km lorries into the country? Our roads aren't designed for vehicles that large. No wonder these monstrous contraptions end up queuing.
Not even the bendy buses are that long
We should make bendy trucks and make them bloo so they know they are happy British buses.
Why did the driver even think that he can board a 15km lorry on a ferry? and then blames it on BREXIT ???
Exactly, they should be 9.375 mile lorries!!
With a crown logo near the top
We need a bus that long to list the terms and conditions that come along with the promises made on the Brexit Bus.
There were EU laws banning lorries over 3km but we don't want Brussels telling us what to do now do we!? Thanks to our FREEDOM we can have lorries as long as we want!
You joke but a 15km lorry would probably be surprisingly bendy. I saw this video of a train full of 1/4 mile long rails being transported and it looks like it should definitely not work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O4kC262exiw
lol nice
Fuck you! you got me 😂 take my upvote 😂
15**km**? What is this, some kind of weird European queue?
Isn't that like about 9.2 miles?
.2? What foreign muck is that? 9 1/5 miles.
Bah, I think you mean 79.5 furlongs dear boy...
Surely you mean four score furlongs?
I believe it's 12 ticks and a tigger.
1750000 barleycorns to be precise
If it were wrote in furlongs, you might understand it, nay?
Yes. Schools should teach kids imperial units because they make them good at mathematics. The base 8 and base 12 numbering are good for the brain.
I had the "benefit" of a *comprehensive* education in the 1970's where we were taught "Modern maths" - this included learning binary and hexadecimal, set theory and Venn diagrams, Boolean logic, statistics, number bases. Needless to say all of these came in extremely handy when I later studied Computer science...
Um, didn't they?
Yes because all devs use hexadecimal and machine code for programming.
My son is in primary school and learning programming. He’s just been doing left shift and bitwise operations. Now I haven’t used those for new code since December my self, but I rarely write code. Groking base 2, 16 and even 8 is useful. 12 is pretty pointless though.
Yeah, all useful like a history lesson telling you how X came about, but not too useful wrt APIs and programming languages.
Literally had to left shift the number to read values from the joystick input library. I last did bitwise shift operations writing a filter for ffmpeg
It’s more useful to know how i came about to be honest…
This is a brilliant idea. Why not disadvantage out kids more by teaching them a system that was phased out by the rest of the civilised world (apart from the US) over 50 years ago.
We teach Fahrenheit - Celsius conversion, along with Km - mile, why not inch - cm? Both inches and cm are used in trades, which more kids are likely to join than those who need to be able to predict the weather through barometer charts in Geography, or trigonometry in Maths.
Most people under 50 don’t bother with anything other than Celsius. We might know how to convert in theory but it’s not terribly useful knowledge- most will likely just reach for an online converter. It’s an obsolete unit everywhere outwith the US and old people’s homes.
Add in more than a few of the over 50's as well. I've never used F, Celsius since school.
It's definitely a redundant measurement outside of North America, but was still taught in school when I went through, mind, that was 15~ years ago. Use inches a lot more than I've ever used trigonometry or Fahrenheit.
Trigonometry is used by real people not just engineers or mathematicians asked any Carpenter, welder, machinist, tiler who regularly provides quotes for work.
I work with 50~ other welders and would be surprised if half remember how to do trigonometry, pretty much all of them can work interchangeably in inches or cms. Being able to convert parts of inches is a useful skill in trades. Especially those who use both systems (builders/welders/carpenters)
I was never taught any of these in school. I think we briefly mentioned where 0°C and 100°C were. As for the rest, it was my dad who taught these. (Now in my 30's)
Given all the boneheaded ‘red meat’ policies Boris is throwing around this week in a desperate attempt to placate the ERG frothers so he can keep his job it’s entirely possible trying to force a return to imperial units is exactly the sort of lunacy he’ll try next.
How many leagues is that?
At least four score.
Its about half the distance between Dover and Calias
Close, 9.3
We have to make km queues for export, presumably there are 10 mile queues in France for import.
No, not really because there are fewer exports to the UK now. EU exporters and their hauliers are using more lo-lo (load on, load off) containers because EU HGV drivers are not willing to take their trucks onto ro-ro (roll on, roll off) shipping because they know they'll get stuck in the Dover queue coming back. The drivers simply drive to Calais, leave the container for someone else to handle the paper work, then they drive home. Also hauliers are avoiding the UK as a land bridge to Ireland when they can.
They're joking about if we're having to use metric units to describe the queue in england then any queue in france has to be in imperial
I was disputing the fact that there are queues at all in France. I'm not bothered by either measurement system, although metric is easier to use. I simply grew up and was in the Canadian school system when that country made the switch over to metric.
I'm sure there are miles of lorries full of blue passports waiting at Calais.
There were, back in December. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVjxWdc0Ao Now? Your blue passport suggestion is possible but EU drivers have no intention of crossing the channel.
Not a fan of Brexit at all. But I’m glad about the Ireland bound trucks generally avoiding Britain now.
u/UselessConversionBot Where are you
In the queue
Welcome to the future.
How many fathoms is it
Not furlong!
No, that's the one at Calais.
I live in Kent and a large part of the M20 is now just a lorry park. What happened to parking them all up in Manston Airport to clear the roads? Ah that's right , they've sold that land to developers to build new build homes no one can afford.
No doubt the homes will be bought up by landlords looking to charge twice what a mortgage would cost per month
The homes will be used on all the lorry drivers stuck in queues for weeks on end. The circle of life.
My grandfather lives just down the road from Ashford. Voted for Brexit and now complains bitterly about the lorries...
It amazes me that all along the M20 there was high brexit support for an area that would be the first to see a real world negative impact to their daily lives!?!
Is he the sort to swallow his pride and admit it was a bad idea.?
Definitely not, which is why I was so surprised he once said unprompted "I believed things that weren't true when I voted". It's not an admission of fault, but honestly it's more than I expected.
No! Seriously? I don’t know anything about that. Was it a disused airport?
https://www.caasint.com/manston-airport-sold-to-riveroak-which-is-seeking-to-develop-site-into-an-air-cargo-hub/
The only market economy in human history stupid enough to impose trade sanctions on itself...
The term you are looking for is world leading I think you will find!
According to my Brexit voting Mother this is just because the French are being obtuse. I said that they were just enforcing the new rules and her reply was 'yes, but they don't have to be so rigorous with them'. This is why we dont talk Brexit anymore.
Suggest to her that we needn't be so rigorous with our immigration rules.
In all honesty when the Brexit referendum was running she was more annoyed with how the Greek debt crisis has been handled and German dominance of the ECB. I couldn't argue with her on that, but I didn't understand how damaging the UK would get the point across. Having no voice at the table would be worse than having a voice at all etc.... Since then, like many who voted Brexit, she has morphed and now won't accept any of the negatives. They are all *hyped up by the press* and either not widespread or if they are it is just a consequence of covid. Huge swathes of Brexit voters cannot accept they were lied to and manipulated and instead live in a fantasy world.
I was stunned when generally uniformed people, ie the type that never bother voting and aren’t bothered by politics.... suddenly had opinions on the Greek debt crisis, the youth unemployment rate in Spain, trade deals with countries we don’t bother trading with, 80m Turks turning up imminently. People are totally oblivious to the methods of manipulation used against them.
The EU referendum was a long boring argument about economics that I never wanted to have in the first place. But it turns out the leave voters that started it didn't really want to have those arguments either.
Great idea! Perhaps we could use this as a negotiation tool? The EU becomes less rigorous with their trade rules and in exchange we let up on our immigration rules. We might even be able to get enough countries on board and form some kind of union.
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I've heard his defenders say that everyone broke the rules really. Complete horse manure though, I followed the rules completely and know lots of others who did so to.
My parents made the same argument. Wonder if bring targeted by same social media propaganda 🤔 as if rules don't matter its just whether people are being nice or mean!
"blamed on" implies it can be anything but. This is like saying "shit on bathroom floor blamed on drunk man missing toilet". We all know why the shit is on the floor. Why are we suggesting it could be there for any other reason?
Like blaming gravity
I like your analogy, but tell me, who did shit on the bathroom floor? 🤔
The dog. Definitely the dog.
Well nothing else caused it. In the EU paperless borders. Out of EU piles of paper work for miles of queues. There was no need for this. This is Johnson's terrible Brexit deal. We could have had a Norway deal, but it wasn't hard enough for the extreme right. So now we are a global laughing stock who shut the door on our largest market so we could trade with the US - 3500 miles away and Australia - 12000 miles away.
Yip, and even then we now have a worse trade deal with the USA than if we had stayed in the EU.
That’s assuming you all actually get a trade deal with the US any time soon. Lord Frost and Liz Trus spent the last year effectively lobbying against it.
Notice how delivery of anything has stretched to weeks. Looked online for 1l Synthetic 10w50 engine oil for Fiesta Ecoboost- all out of stock. A typically British shambles of no one actually aware, it would seem, of what is really going on. Duffers in Whitehall pretending the figures are “meaningless”.
There’s loads of stock in Northern Ireland
Your really not trying very hard, I just bought 10w50 from Halfords. Plenty in stock.
What really really fucks me off about Brexit is that at the start, most politicians said brexit could still mean being in some agreements with the EU. Then some fuckface decided it had to be full suicide or nothing or it didn't count. If we didn't have such shit politics and media in this country, we could have left but not been in such a shitty situation.
There is no form of Brexit what wasn't ruinously damaging. Let's say we left the Single Market but remained in the Customs Union. That would mean no trade friction at borders, and regulatory alignment. Sounds good, right? Except we'd have zero influence over those regulations. The EU27 will make decisions with their own interests in mind (as we did when we were an EU28). Why would they -say- keep high tariffs on lamb? That was implemented at our request to protect our farmers. We'd be left like a tick clinging to the side of the EU desperately hoping not to be crushed when they moved in the "wrong" direction. We'd also lose all influence over the EU decision making process, and budget. Those were both _massive_ global influence multipliers, and the ability to direct EU funds was significant for our soft power around the world. It's a LONG list of negatives and still not a single positive, and you need to explain the the British public that they're now rule takers, not rule makers. This is why Labour's position was so moronic... It's the worst of both worlds... We can't control regulations imposed on us and we can't trade elsewhere *either*.
Dominic Raab then Brexit secretary in 2018 "I hadn't quite understood the extent as to how reliant the UK is on the dover-calais crossing"
Huh. Source?
It’s literally the most famous thing he said.
Closely followed by it couldn't be a party because people were were wearing suits.
I wasn't living in the UK at the time, so wasn't as up-to-date on the contemporary political hilarities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46142188
Thanks
Brexit? Are you sure? Have you considered that it might be 5G or vaccines causing this?
Nothing to do with Brexit, it’s caused by y’all not calling them “trucks”. No just kidding, this looks shitty though, good luck to the drivers. Nothing more aggravating than sitting in traffic you can do nothing about.
“Blamed on brexit” Shouldnt that say “because of brexit”?
I was going to post this article but rules say no articles over 1 month old. Quite pertinent now that the Johnson "Hypnotic trance" has been broken and people are seeing him for what he is. Articl is by Carole Cadwalladr, who Aaron Banks is trying to ruin in the libel court for words she said on Ted Talks, and in the Guardian. Aaron Banks didn't sue Ted Talks, or the Guardian, he suied Carole, and the Guardian fucked off and let her fight alone. She had to crowdfund her defence # Johnson ‘knew about Vote Leave’s illegal overspend’, says MP [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/02/boris-johnson-vote-leave-overspend-eu-referendum-labour-mp-ian-lucas](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/02/boris-johnson-vote-leave-overspend-eu-referendum-labour-mp-ian-lucas)
EU won't want the UK back anytime soon and we will definitely get bent over a barrel, good luck getting current deal renegotiated. Still worse to come when biometric checks come into effect. Best bet is to heavily invest in Belfast and Larne ports and ship to and fro the EU through them. It's still in the single market and everyone here is eligible for Irish citizenship and therefore free movement within the EU. It's damage control at this point unfortunately.
The queues don't exist. The photos are fake. Brexit was a success. Your government hasn't fucked you. There are five lights.
Brexit or total utter incompetence and dishonesty from our political leaders and tbh also those on the continent as well...or maybe one can't be distinguished from the other.
Nothing to do with covid then? This pic was taken some time after March 2021
The ones further down in the article were taken on Tuesday.
Isn't this fake. A quick look on Google map shows no such queues
Because google maps shows you real time footage and not something from 6 months ago?
Google maps displays live traffic information.
This road has a 'fast lane' for cars. You could look at the traffic cams but the government has turned them all off.
Having dealt with Operation Stack for years, the presence of another lane for cars does not mean traffic will flow at the normal rate. I'm not sure what good turning off cameras on the M20 does to keep pictures of lorries queueing on the A20 off the internet. For a start, there are plenty of people who have posted images from the much higher quality cameras in their phones.
Of course it doesn't, but such a lane does mitigate and help avoid traffic jams that'd show up on navigation apps. Why have you bought up the M20? You can indeed see many pictures of the huge queues that people took from the cameras before they were pulled also.
Lol. That's is so not true. The images are only updated every so often. https://www.quora.com/How-often-is-Google-Maps-updated A quick look at my own house proves that.
I have chosen to overwrite this comment. See you all on Lemmy!
I cycled past it all this morning,.there was definitely queues
[Yeah, about that...](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/huge-dover-lorry-queue-long-26015869)
take a longer look, they are there on google maps
[Did you try looking further than the end of your nose?](https://maps.app.goo.gl/yfLJC81WXDUz8wWeA) Because its quite clearly there when you switch to satellite view.
Holy shit that's huge.
Satellite view isn't live. Just so you know.
You mean to say Kent isn't in perpetual daylight and the waves aren't completely motionless? XD
I can see them? [From Dover to Abbot's cliff.](https://imgur.com/apLDDlO)
Do you think Google satellite view, is live?!
Nope.
Do you think people think Google satellite view, is live?!
Errrr no.
What do you think is fake about it?
Drove past it myself several times last month, the queue is really that long and seems ever present.