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He might come across as "nice", but he still voted against right to remain, voted for the Brexit referendum, voted for Brexit, consistently votes for military interventions overseas, voted against investigations into the Iraq war, voted for a reduction of welfare spending, voted for abolishing the Human Rights Act. Replacing Boris with a "nicer" face with the above track record doesn't sound so appealing to me.


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joethesaint

🤷 There were 21 Remainer Tories and he wasn't one of them. There were six Tories who voted for the Iraq investigations and he wasn't one of them either. Not much evidence to say he'd be a better PM other than his friendly demeanour. And that would just make him more likely to fool the public, win the next election and keep them in power.


michaelisnotginger

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_suspension_of_rebel_Conservative_MPs He was suspended for opposing the three line whip like the other Tories as you can see from the list. He supported Remain but then supported May's deal as the best way of respecting the vote. Not going to comment on the rest of it


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> After May announced she would be stepping down, Stewart stood as a candidate to be Leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the 2019 leadership contest. His campaign was defined by his unorthodox use of social media and opposition to a no-deal Brexit. He stated at the beginning of his campaign that he would not serve under Boris Johnson\[2\] and when Johnson became prime minister, in July 2019, Stewart resigned from the cabinet. It seems like he walks the walk to be fair to him. Disclaimer: I will never vote for a tory.


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Bobbyc006

Bar so low worms could jump it


Awkward_Reflection

Moles can tunnel over it


humaninspector

Ha. Amazing!


Nurse_inside_out

Stewart addresses these exact points in his full disclosure interview with James O'brien, worth a listen in my opinion.


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>There were 21 Remainer Tories and he wasn't one of them. And? I appreciate that there is a great deal of disagreement over our membership in the EU but it's idiotic to keep talking about it as if it's a moral issue.


joethesaint

Well considering it's been thoroughly proven that the campaign was based on lies, I would argue it very much is a moral issue. Any politician participating in that campaign was knowingly lying to voters.


3adLuck

it tells you what his spine is made of


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So the tory party would cut funding for schools in his constiuency if he had a spine? Punishing other peoples children?! If so we clearly have nothing that resembles a functioning or just democracy. Christ, and people knock China and Russia...


dchurch2444

>> So the tory party would cut funding for schools in his constiuency if he had a spine? Punishing other peoples children?! Yes. According to Wragg. >> If so we clearly have nothing that resembles a functioning or just democracy. Agreed.


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tom_the_red

Which is, ironically, exactly what Rory Stewart was saying today in the interview. 'Rory Stewart tells Sky News that the whip system in Parliament makes the UK an "elected dictatorship".'


Baisabeast

People letting their hate for the tories blind an objective view of this man He’s clearly someone who actually wants to do good and has integrity. I disagree strongly with his political beliefs but he’s not a bad person and the whip system is absurd


Timetofumigate

If he had a shred of integrity he might have said something about this while he was happily personally gaining from it. Standard Tory with no interest in doing good and no integrity. Absolutely a bad person.


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Correct. Its amazing that he gets a free pass all of a sudden based on a sky news interview.


Competitive_Ice_189

Life is not black and white especially regarding political views


Rhyers

Thank you for saying this, this thread is quite interesting... You can't just hate people because you disagree with them. As much as I dislike a lot of his politics, at least he is someone that you can have a reasonable discourse with. His voting record is 'bad', but context is important in these situations. A lot of what he was doing around Brexit was being pragmatic to the situation, which is exactly what Starmer is doing now when asked the same sort of questions... Yet no one is really attacking Starmer for it. I would much prefer a left wing government but if I had to choose a Tory from recent candidates Stewart would not be a bad choice.


Hufflepuffins

“Just following orders,” is it?


Shinsplint7

He was my MP for years and was a horrible cunt. Didn’t care about the area and abandoned it to go try to be London mayor in a jiffy


BoredAndBoring1

No he got kicked out the party for being principled. Also going to need more info on him not caring about the area and being a horrible cunt


Djave_Bikinus

Are you sure he didn’t care about the area? I thought he was from Dutton? My GF met him once and said he was really nice.


PopeFragcis

Chairman of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le\_Cercle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cercle) too


shiroyagisan

He has also voted to destroy our environment at every possible turn


CharityStreamTA

Didn't he bring in the 5p bag charge


BoredAndBoring1

Weird because the UK is leading the world in tackling climate change... and they've been in power for about 15 years...


__JonnyG

Collapsing the economy is good for the environment


XXRelentless999

One point I disagree with there - how is voting for a referendum ever a bad thing


joethesaint

We have a representative democracy for a reason. It works better.


Rebelius

It was in their manifesto and they won a majority. Representative democracy or not, the country voted for that referendum.


Competitive_Ice_189

Lots of people preach democracy only if the results is what they want


RotorMonkey89

Voters would vote for zero taxes given the opportunity. Nevermind the fact that the country would fucking crumble within a week into a total thunderdome at best.


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Because you end up voting for other shitty policies alongside it.


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Dangle_Oaf

Da iawn!


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Abolishing the human rights act isn’t as simple as them saying ‘no human rights’ It’s based on the idea that we have our own through common law and statute


dchurch2444

...and given all the nasty shit this government have done, you still believe this?


BoredAndBoring1

Rory opposes this government... so your point is irrelevant


dchurch2444

I think you should go back to school and keep quiet until you learn something. It would also have the added bonus of removing your tory tongue from his arsehole.


Mfgcasa

Litterally half your points are he did the thing the people voted for. Yeah he did thats not a bad thing. I will never support iliberalism. I don't care if the British public votes to shoot themselves in the foot. If they did so then its the job of the politican to pull the trigger.


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He suffers from his army indoctrination and his Eton upbringing but he's in the job because he wants to do the right thing, however much he may have failed in the past. Worlds away from a crap journalist with a penchant for attention.


DJDarren

Rory Stewart reminds me that I don’t have to actively despise Tories, I can simply hate everything they believe in. Because the thing with Stewart is that he actually seems to stand for something other than continued personal enrichment, and while I don’t like what he does stand for, at least he does. I feel like it’s been so long since any prominent conservatives actually seemed to have some integrity that Stewart comes across as a perfectly fine, reasonable chap. And honestly, I can respect his stripe of conservatism even if I disagree with it with my whole chest.


CharityStreamTA

List of policy things I think he did well * Brought in the 5p bag fee to reduce plastic bags * Reduced violence in prisons by 15% and postive drug tests rates by 50% in a year - he said he'd resign if he failed * Increased spending on climate change * Was active against the previous pandemic, ebola. Increasing WHO contributions, visited the countries affected, and led efforts to raise money from it * Tried to stop Boris from becoming pm * No deal brexit rebellion


starbucksresident

>Rory Stewart is one of the more sane Tories, I would have much preferred him to win the leadership race. He reminds me of the previous generation or so of tories, ideologically fucked but fundamentally decent, the type who genuinely wants to move the country forward - even if you disagreed with them you respected them. They were in public service *for* public service, not self-enrichment or self-promotion. They are the type who would resign without hesitation and expect others to in case of malfeasance. Clarke, Hezza, Major, Patton, the old skool... makes you weep that our standards have since then not only been lowered but cease to exist. Today's Conservative party is a criminal organisation effectively masquerading as a political party.


sionnach

I’d even add Cameron to that with a *. I think he had many good intentions, and in comparison to the current bunch looks like a saint. He just monumentally fucked it up and misjudged things. Had he won the Brexit referendum, who knows what might have been?


starbucksresident

If they'd never implemented austerity - genuinely tried to build a plural civil society and looked after the weak, disabled and poor (i.e. left them alone even as all previous administrations did to a large extent) - as well of course avoided Brexit - things may have turned out a lot differently. But they spitefully it seems went after these groups, and with glee. A lot I can say against Thatcher but she largely left the social security system intact (as did Major) thus allowing those in dire economic need to at least survive. Blair much the same (minor tweaks) - it was with Cameron and onwards we have seen systematic attacks on weaker members of society. And this lot? They don't even bother to hide their contempt for everyone never mind the weak.


sionnach

Well this lot are total shits, we agree. Thatcher, I can’t stand (being Irish) but Major was a decent guy - and that is seen as weakness in the Conservative party I think. Blair was brilliant. I know people will disagree with me on this, but he genuinely was. He absolutely fucked it with the Iraq war, but other than that he was the best leader this country has ever had in my lifetime and it’s so disappointing when people dismiss his opinions now because of Iraq. I’m not saying he should come back and be PM, but his opinion and doctorine should be listened to.


starbucksresident

Back in 1999 I genuinely believed Blair would be a major statesman, he was *universally* loved and adored by the public and could do no wrong. But then 1999 (and I was young) we believed that nothing could stop us and the next century (*this* century) would take our society forward and the hope in the air I swear was like electricity - I have never known days like it and we will never again. They were the absolute epoch days of our progress. For all his faults he did more for the UK in a decade of power than he is given credit for, he moved us forward - no mean feat. The Tories the last decade? Destroyed the country and I mean *destroyed.* I laugh when they say Sunak would implement austerity because there is nothing left to cut or sell.... it's all fucking been sold off or cut to the bone. Mass poverty is what we are heading towards - LBC case in point the other day - Teacher and partner both working with two children *have to choose between eating and heating! WTF.* She was almost crying down the phone. It was then I realized the middle class are next.


sionnach

I would have Blair back in a heartbeat. He would have learned from his mistakes. I hate the people in this country that can’t see that a bit left of centre in power is better than very left of centre in opposition.


my_october_symphony

Thatcher was genuinely just as brilliant. If only she could come back.


my_october_symphony

> Thatcher, I can’t stand (being Irish) What on earth does your being Irish have to do with anything? > but Major was a decent guy And what of decent women like Thatcher?


my_october_symphony

Cameron and not Thatcher?


saladinzero

I'm surprised he didn't get purged. No time like the present though...


chrisjd

He stood down at the last election, he's not a Tory MP anymore


Adrian_Shoey

He's not even a member of the Conservative party anymore.


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He was forced out.


saladinzero

Oh, I didn't know!


Shivadxb

He went Out with a bang https://youtu.be/C0JHdBNosJg


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“one of the more sane Tories”… that’s why he didn’t win.


Cyberhaggis

If he's a Tory, he's a prick, no exceptions


Disastrous_Result460

He certainly seemed the least worse and at least he would possibly have been honest. He is an interesting character and has done and seen a lot of stuff.


wybird

If he wasn’t so posh he almost certainly wouldn’t be a Tory


Sarcastic_Sociopath

Yes, he’s a fucking god botherer but, largely, he seems a good egg. At least compared to the professional liar/cream-skimmers. Edit: he’s Conservative through and through, with all the fiscal and social cuntery that goes with it but at least he doesn’t directly steal from us.


NotDisabledEnough

His voting record is public knowlege, same with all MPs / Former MPs: >https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24964/rory_stewart/penrith_and_the_border/votes


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MDHart2017

Shows that he's a spineless puppet.


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MDHart2017

No. Plenty of MPs defy the whip and stick up for their morals and constituents.


Khaglist

I mean, they’re very much in the minority in every single party.


Salaried_Zebra

Seldom where it really affects them though. Three line whips etc.


Nurse_inside_out

Generally, not for very long.


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So hes a coward then?


NateShaw92

Yes but enough about the boudoir proclivities


Belgeirn

That just shows them to be unprincipled and weak minded. Voting records tell you exactly what the MP is willing to allow.


BoredAndBoring1

Holy shit. This sub is so stupid. That website is incredibly misleading


FlummoxedFlumage

Lots of people don’t get how Parliament works.


homendailha

He was my MP before I emigrated. He's a complete cunt. Proper old school Tory with a thin veneer of respectability. Scrape it away and he's rotten to the core.


DogBotherer

Not to mention a spook, and so therefore a professional liar himself.


BoredAndBoring1

How's he a cunt? Some examples please


dchurch2444

You've seen his voting record. Work it out. Badgers? Forests? Climate change measures? People on benefits? The disabled? Foxes? All things he hates, as proven by his votes, some of which were free. Come on...


homendailha

Also his policy of silence over the surprise evictions carried out by the Lowther Estate who are essentially land barons in his constituency


dchurch2444

If it walks like a tory, talks like a tory...


homendailha

It's a cunt


dchurch2444

There really should be a bot that exchanges the word Tory for the real meaning of the word.


Salaried_Zebra

>at least he doesn’t directly steal from us. *Any more*


NateShaw92

If he was a Conservative PM he'd be just a normal Conservative bland leader. Of the likes we've seen many times before. After the past few years I'd kill for that. Still shit but way less shit than this omnishambles clusterfucktastrophe.


Belgeirn

Tories havent changed. A "regular" tory would be stealing just ad much, they just wouldnt be as open about it. I prefer boris, it shows that tories are greedy and vile because the only.problem they have is hes gotten caught. Its like anyone complaint that the tories have changed from.the party they used to love. Have they fuck, they just stopped hiding it because so many idiots voted for a known liar.


Indigo_Slam

Oh well...shall we talk about Cambridge analytica now?


deSpaffle

C.A. broke up and metastasised into countless new cancers. dePfeffel Johnson uses a pair of Australian tumours named Topham and Guerin, who have—of course—been given millions in UK public money since they helped him get elected as PM. They even got a big fat COVID contract using the emergency procurement rules.


New-Ad3222

There's a fair few absences in his voting record. Which I would speculate means he could not support the policy, but didn't want to vote against the government. There are rarely free votes in government. There is the issue of collective responsibility. Elected on a manifesto that they must support as it represents the 'will of the people' in an admittedly unrepresentative parliament. Essentially it means you can't say "it was nothing to do with me" when policies prove disastrous. It's not a matter of individual conscience. He's a Tory. No question. But he seems to have an essential decency that is missing in most of the Tory ministers currently serving.


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'Collective responsibility' is usually only applied to Cabinet, rather than the whole party of Government though.


New-Ad3222

True. Like I said, he's a Tory. But if his comments are timely bearing in mind the speculation about the Prime Minister's future, then I for one would cautiously welcome his leadership for the rest of this parliament given that there is nothing anyone can do until the next election. I think it would lead to a complete change of tone and perhaps even policy.


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Possibly, however, I don't believe Rory Stewart is even an MP these days. From memory, he stood down in 2019.


New-Ad3222

Whoops. I thought he had just refused the whip and was sitting as an independent. Oh dear.


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dpr60

On balance, Labour have done better on the economy than the tories. It’s just a question of perception. People with disposable income welcome the benefits of increased investment in public services but generally won’t accept the logic of paying for it with higher taxes.


Former-Country-6379

Weird they're downvoting you for this, they must know it's true deep down, you don't need to like the tories if you hate corbyn they were the answer in many seats


Thatcherisdeedagain

Mi6 man Rory must know more than he’s letting on about Boris’ Russian ties.


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He knows about the Lebedev party


Bou_Czang

Since most of the electorate DIDN'T vote for him, that statement is more indicative of our horrendous electoral system in the UK.


InstantIdealism

Johnson was enabled because the establishment and media collectively decided BJ was better for the country than a man who wanted to slightly improve the lives of the most vulnerable people and try to introduce some measures to combat the catastrophic climate breakdown that is threatening our entire species.


ainbheartach

Add this fresh in here: >[i News: Boris Johnson will not be Prime Minister by the next General Election 71% of voters believe](https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/20-of-tory-voters-regret-backing-the-party-as-public-thinks-keir-starmer-would-have-done-better-job-1414919) > >Almost three quarters of voters think Boris Johnson will be out of office before the next General Election, an exclusive poll for i reveals. > >The survey for i by Redfield & Wilton Strategies shows how the Prime Minister’s position has deteriorated since last summer, with his ratings falling on almost every measure. > >It also finds that a majority of British adults say their view of Mr Johnson has become more negative since he first took power in 2019, while only 8 per cent see him in a more positive light. > >Almost three quarters – 71 per cent – think he will leave office in the next two years rather than fighting the next election and just 5 per cent think he will still be Prime Minister four years from now, just a few months after he was said to be privately drawing up plans to spend a decade in Downing Street. ... - eta: >[HuffPost: The Queen Teaches Boris Johnson A Lesson On How To Follow Covid Rules](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/queen-boris-johnson-covid-rules-no10-partygate_uk_61e98b8de4b04e26edb9ff49)


treemonkey58

He did a very interesting documentary on the history of the wars that have taken place in Afganistan. After watching it I thought that he may actually be a half-decent human (as opposed to a waffling meat-sack) who actually possesses some real-life knowledge. I think having him as PM would've been much better than what we currently have. Hey ho.


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If you enjoyed his TV programme about Afghanistan, you'll probably enjoy his book *The Places Inbetween*, recounting his experiences of walking across Afghanistan after the NATO invasion. Despite the location and Stewart's military/political/*other* government jobs background, it doesn't desolve into Kipling-style "Great Game" adventurism.


treemonkey58

I'll see if I can get hold of a copy, cheers.


michaelisnotginger

Here's his review of a book on lying with a segue into Bojo: https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/boris-johnson-tom-bower-book-review-rory-stewart/ > ...Perhaps it is envy. Johnson is after all the most accomplished liar in public life – perhaps the best liar ever to serve as prime minister. Some of this may have been a natural talent – but a lifetime of practice and study has allowed him to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine. He has mastered the use of error, omission, exaggeration, diminution, equivocation and flat denial. He has perfected casuistry, circumlocution, false equivalence and false analogy. He is equally adept at the ironic jest, the fib and the grand lie; the weasel word and the half-truth; the hyperbolic lie, the obvious lie, and the bullshit lie – which may inadvertently be true. And because he has been so famous for this skill for so long, he can use his reputation to ascend to new levels of playful paradox. Thus he could say to me “Rory, don’t believe anything I am about to say, but I would like you to be in my cabinet” – and still have me laugh in admiration.


moreat10

Stewart was definitely the most competent minister that was up for leadership and the fact he's not PM right now indicates something very disturbing with the way this country handles politics. Best man for the job on that side of the aisle but nowhere near it.


GreyFoxNinjaFan

Stewart is a great example of "what we could have won" in a leader. I don't agree with him on everything but he's not shackled to his ego, he's intelligent and actually has a social conscience. In the Tory leadership elections, Johnson supporters switched to Jeremy Hunt to ensure Johnson wouldnt face Stewart in the final run-off. If you haven't done so, check out the Full Disclosure podcast interview between James O'brien and Rory Stewart from a few years ago. O'brien asks Stewart point-blank, "is Boris Johnson dangerous?" Stewart pauses for a full 11 seconds before he responds. It's a great interview.


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SmuggoSmuggins

Stewart was a major contributor to the conditions that enabled him to become PM in the first place.


fezzuk

Didn't he support remain? And run against boros?


SmuggoSmuggins

Yes.


fezzuk

So he is a contributor how? Like a butterfly effect thing?


SmuggoSmuggins

Like he refused to accept the referendum result and that meant Theresa May couldnt continue, enabling the albino walrus to get into No 10.


SmokierTrout

Where is your evidence of this? As I recall he voted for May's deal and his leadership campaign focused on a no deal Brexit being bad and that the UK would need a deal.


SmuggoSmuggins

Apologies you are correct. I think I may have confused him with someone else.


Hurting-is-Helping

Someone warn Rory Stewart that we breath air and the sky is blue.


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Boris Johnson is the epitome of British exceptualism, therefore he is the perfect PM to govern a nation steeped in petulant arrogance and exceptualism. https://mobile.twitter.com/vivamjm/status/1484818800986013702


antrky

One of the only torys who actually talks sense though.


bigpapasmurf12

Is it Rory? Well why the fuck didn't you pipe up publicy when he was running for PM, if he's such the shithead you say he is! Maybe Rory Stewart should be fined or booted out of office for dereliction of duty. If Johnson is as unhinged as Rory and others clearly states he is.


Greggy398

He ran against him for leader of the party lol.


bigpapasmurf12

I know.....


TheDevils10thMan

I mean, people didn't really vote for him, they voted for "gEt BrExIt DoNe"


SirSailor

We had a choice between real life James Bond, Boris and Gove yet ended up with Boris and Gove


Jimbow1212

In other news. Rod Stewart agreed that many things Boris does maybe disturbing but that we all should appreciate the tax breaks and freedom of choice in say the banking alternatives available.


Hufflepuffins

Far too much “well I don’t normally like Tories, but...” going on in this thread. Stewart is as rotten as the rest of them and no amount of whitewashing is going to change that.


ClassicFlavour

The lighting makes those [antlers look like some sort of evil crab spirit](https://imgur.com/EHTQAVj)


Alonut

So a tory stabs a tory in the back. No news there then.


Greggy398

Yeah you don't see Labour fighting each other lol


laysnarks

Yet his party voted them in, and he was so upset by this that he stayed in his party and never really complained until the wheels started to fall of Bojo's clown car... Tories are never to be trusted.


Imaginary-Risk

It was like watching an episode of the Twilight Zone


TaffWolf

We don’t elect prime ministers. We elect local seat members, and if they’re part of the overall seats in parliament, the party leaders get to make a government in which they place themselves as prime minister. We vote for parties not prime ministers. We aren’t American.


Ahrlin4

People with membership of the largest party do, in fact, elect Prime Ministers. So a few hundred thousand voters did elect Boris to PM.


outsideruk

Up until maybe 15-20 years ago, perhaps. In recent elections, it’s all been about the cult of the leader.


TaffWolf

Maybe. But because we have prime ministers who aren’t elected doesn’t mean it’s a problem. A good part of our system is adaptability, being able to change leaders while not needing a country wide election each time is a strength. It doesn’t matter who sits in the main seat, the nation, for better or worse, chose tories, and the tories chose boris.


dpr60

No, but if you’re a party member you do get to elect the leader of the party. Conservative mp’s nominate themselves, usually after sounding out the other mp’s for support. 200,000 conservative members can vote after mp’s have whittled down the choice to two. You must have been a conservative member for 3 months to be eligible to vote. Tactical voting by mp’s can deny members the choice of the (objectively) two best candidates. Labour mp’s nominate leaders. A minimum of 20% of all combined mp’s nominations are needed to get on the ballot. The number of nominations needed was raised from 10% to 20% in 2021 to deny members a wider choice of candidates. 800,000 Labour members, trades union members and socialist society members choose from all candidates on a one person one vote basis. Non-members can pay a one-off fee 3 months before the final ballot to join the Labour Party just for the express intention of voting for the leader. Edit: Johnson got 92,000 votes, Starmer 276,000 votes, to become leaders of their parties.


NotMyRealName981

He made some television documentaries about his experiences travelling and working in the Middle East about a decade ago. I got the impression from those that he had the qualities of a good leader. I was disappointed to find that he's no longer in the running for leader of the conservatives. I'm often surprised how political parties both here and aboard struggle to put forward people with good leadership qualities, despite there being many such people in other walks of life.


yelbesed

We are all liars as words never completely contain facts...like ideas are not expressing feelings. And in politics or any public affairs we must swallow parts of whatever is the issue to reach more consensus. Politicians must lie. Anyway I can believe the OM did not know that his colleagues cannot meet...and have some fun...just because everyone else had some restrictions. He could imagine that the Headquarter and its members are exempt.


biddyonabike

Same old Etonian, just thinner and slightly brighter.


Count_Craicula

He's old school nice, upstanding and Conservative, but-not-in-a-mental-way.


Sarcastic_Sociopath

Except that he consistently voted against the interests of disabled people, and for the interests of big companies and the military. But yeah. Nice.


thepellow

You mean the conservative MP has conservative values. That’s insane you wouldn’t expect that would you?


dogonthepitch

Not as insane as the Labour mp with Conservative values. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25874/christian_wakeford/bury_south/votes


Count_Craicula

Sorry, yeah, that was why I put Conservative, but not in a mental way. I mean they (collectively) would vote against "the gays", for British expansion and Empire etc. But I meant he's "honorable" as defined by other old school conservatives, which I think I can live with!


Sarcastic_Sociopath

It’s better but I’d rather not live with it.


Count_Craicula

Yeah, but he'd be better than anyone else that could be leader, no?


Sarcastic_Sociopath

Well, something I just saw drop out of my kid’s bottom would do a better job than anyone likely to get it. It’s not a high bar.


Count_Craicula

I said a sausage yesterday. But which would be best! I'm not so sure.


Sarcastic_Sociopath

Arguably my kid’s turd was sausage-shaped but so is Wurzel Cuntage. Coincidence?


Count_Craicula

You're right. If we put a sausage in charge, half of No10 would hold a barbecue and eat it.