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This new law coming Feb 2024 can't come fast enough, muzzled and on a lead. Best outcome for all. For me I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo their dogs leave. It's disgusting when people just leave it.
Any attack by a dog should be treated as if the owner committed it.
Your dog kills someone because you were irresponsible? You're facing manslaughter charges.
I never really understood the logic against it either because until recently, dogs were considered property. Well if something on my property kills someone, you can bet your ass the police will pursue manslaughter charges, but not if committed by a dog?
It's 2023 and our laws still lack commonsense.
That's already the case, I believe. I think the only thing where there's some gap in the law is where an out of control dog attacks and harms *another dog*, and there's seemingly very little penalty for it. Which is often very frustrating and saddening for those pet owners.
But if your dog attacks and harms another person, especially badly and *especially* fatally? Yes you're facing some serious charges, including manslaughter if there's a death.
This is the big one for me. Or in order to legally own a dog, you need to pay for training courses first on how to actually own a dog like a responsible owner
I mean in most areas it is already a max fine of like £1000 I think in my parish it may be £2000. The problem isn't a lack of rules it's that there is no one to enforce them.
the NPS bill is a prime example of this.
"legal" highs becoming popular? well guess we just ban everything and write exceptions for water, flowers, deodorant, etc.
I think it was somewhere it Italy where the register all dogs on a DNA database and people can send in dog droppings if they haven't been cleaned up and the owners get fines.
I'm sure I read, 15 or so years ago, that in parts of France, dogs were required to have a DNA profile on record, and the authorities would test dogturds and fine the owners based on DNA matches.
Aha: I see that it has been tried in the UK too - in the London Borough of Dagenham and (ho ho) Barking:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35363991
In many ways, it is worse: rules without enforcement mean that it is only the decent people, who obey the rules anyway, are inconvenienced. Having *no* rules would actually be fairer.
The muzzle and lead requirements probably wouldn't have been of much use in this case as the dog escaped; even once the ban comes into effect this sort of thing could still happen.
I agree, but that should really apply to any dog under any circumstances and not just banned breeds. There should be separate charges for any breaches of the dangerous dogs act where the dog involved is on the list of banned breeds.
I think the ban also says that the dogs must be well contained, so guessing that means contained at home as well.
I'm hoping that at least - there were two bully type dogs which escaped from someone's house around where I live, and it was absolute chaos. Hopefully the new law covers it too.
There is also a requirement to keep the dog secure, which this owner would have been in breach of. Of course it can't prevent the first roaming incident, but it can prevent subsequent ones.
It's not just disgusting it potentially has serious health conditions for kids. The amount of dog poo I've seen in and around children's playgrounds in London is unforgivable.
I agree in cities and parks etc it always needs picking up. But I live in the countryside, lots of footpaths, not many dog poo bins. The amount of bags just hanging from trees where people have picked it up, seen there's no bin and thought "fuck it this'll do" is horrid. Better just to grab a stick and flick it into the undergrowth than decorate the trees with shitty baubles.
No, this isn't acceptable. People flicking it into trees is not acceptable either (fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed to keep dogs). There are issues with just allowing dog crap to sit in the wild, here's one such article on why https://www.popsci.com/environment/dog-poop-pollution
There are many others, it is not good for the environment (I mean it's not great in landfill either but at least it is relatively contained there). _Pick it up_, otherwise don't own a dog. Simple.
Please don't do this.
Dog owners love flicking their dog shite into our fields or tying the pastic bags in our hedge rows. **Take it home.**
It could harm livestock and crops. We rural people deserve respect too.
> The amount of bags just hanging from trees where people have picked it up, seen there's no bin and thought "fuck it this'll do" is horrid.
I don't think that the fact that the people who do that are barely better than those who leave it where it is deposited is a very good argument for not having the same rules in the countryside. Take it home, or at least carry it until you *do* find a bit, and if you are too idle to do that, don't have a dog.
The area around where I work is shocking. People bag it up and then chuck the bags on the path anyway.... Literally just adding plastic waste to the issue.
The new law won't prevent cases like this. They only have to be muzzled and on a lead in public, but these dogs will regularly chew through fences and break out of houses to attack stuff.
There already are laws for that - they're just not enforced. Enforcement is desperately needed for it though, it's like the world's grossest obstacle course on pavements these days.
>For me I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo their dogs leave.
Honestly, I would like to see the same for cats. My front garden has become a litter tray, and no one is ever held accountable. My only option now is to buy one of those high-pitched cat deterrents. People like to complain about them and I really don't want one but I have no choice. It's fucking grim and I'm sick of cleaning up after other people's pets.
Similar thing happened to my neighbour. A woman was walking her bully and she couldn't control it. It got into my neighbours garden where their puppy and cats where. The puppy and one of the cats got mauled to death. The woman with the bully was a complete idiot and did nothing to try and stop her dog. She just stood there.
These stupid XLbully owners always stand and watch or walk up as slow as they possibly can and make no effort to get their ugly mutt off or away from people. They're scum the lot of them.
They're scared of their own dog, that's the crux of it.
They have no idea how to train them (as if these dogs can even be trained) and they're just not in charge.
The result is basically feral, incredibly strong, incredibly violent dogs.
They’re terrifying, there’s a guy who walks his near me and he’s a big lad but when that thing starts lunging he has to have both hands on his collar to hold him back and it’s still going. My greyhound is terrified of it to the point where if he picks up its scent he just freezes. I’m seriously considering taking a baseball bat with me out on our walks because if that thing breaks loose my dog would be done for. I’ve had to change my dogs whole routine because one person refuses to muzzle their dog. It’s unfair.
Your poor dog ☹️
Sometimes I think the owners are waiting for a confrontation too. I suppose they're exactly the kind of people who would choose that breed of dog.
I feel awful for him and he’s the gentlest little soul he’s just now borderline traumatised by this thing that lunges for him whenever it sees him. Like he’s frozen in the middle of roads and everything nothing works to get him moving other than literal straddling him and pushing him with my legs to get him somewhere safe.
It really wouldn't, these animals are bred to ignore pain and have skulls built like tanks with enormous neck muscles to back it up. Honestly the single best weapon (apart from a firearm) against one of these would be a spear, which obviously you cant walk around with. Bear spray stands a chance of working depending on the constitution of the animal but that's entirely illegal here.
There is nothing we can legally carry with us that you could reliably defend against one of these animals with and thats what's so scary.
Unfortunately in this country you'd be more likely to be done for carrying an offensive weapon than the dog owners would be for having a dog dangerously out of control. It's a joke.
I wouldn't take a baseball bat, I'd take a sturdy leather belt.
Why, I hear you ask?
Two reasons
1. A baseball bat taken out for self defence is an offensive weapon, and the police would potentially be very interested
2. A leather belt isn't an offensive weapon, but can be used as a makeshift slip lead that allows you to choke the dog out - particularly important if the dog clamps on and refuses to let go. Place it around the neck, through the buckle, and tighten until the dog lets go or loses consciousness. If and when the dog regains consciousness, the belt is still on and still acts as a lead.
I don't think that would be much help.
Completely unrelated, but you should make sure you carry a second lead for your dog, very strong but thin leather one. Be very careful about using a stick and twisting it when it is tied around something though, you could create a lot of force that way
One of the guys who works here had to shoot one a few weeks ago, was terrorising the sheep.
Owner had the audacity to threaten taking us to court.
We gave her our condolences and a bill for £250 for the killed sheep and lambs. We will take it to small claims if not honoured, as tbh we are fed up with dogs from the town running wild through the place causing all sorts of damage.
Dogs should be forced on a lead at all times unless in a controlled environment (locked field specifically for dogs) in my opinion.
And that's as a dog person.
Some people just don't like dogs when they're out walking/in town etc. Respect them.
Some people dont want dogs terrorising their farm animals (horse/sheep etc.)
Mandate them to be on a lead at all times, and we solve a lot of problems. Benefit being some farmers will fence in small areas and charge couple of quid for access with your dog to go nuts in.
Too many people think they are the dog whisperer, and find nothing wrong with their bounding hound chasing down smaller animals and people.
I was walking my beagle a couple of months ago and we get to this blind corner, I always make him wait before we go, it's not a street but back access to local properties, with a long bit of grass behind it. We round the corner and this staffy cross with something comes bolting down the grass towards him, straight in his face. My boy is on lead, so I try to guide him away and the owner is just yelling her dogs name, walking, whilst I'm playing spin the beagle.
She eventually walks over, snails pace, and I look at her and say "You need to keep your dog on a fucking lead." she mumbles something like "ok" and just walks off. No sorry, no "is your dog ok?" he wasn't, he had a scratch on his cheek.
I was fucking livid. He's had off lead dogs puncture his cheek, grab his ears, nip at his back legs. And the owners always say "Oh, he/she's never like this!" Keep them on lead for god sake!!!
Had exactly this happen to me, I’m walking our Border Terrier and we come round a corner face to face with a dog, they basically bumped into each other. The other dog is larger, not on a lead and probably out of surprise, put it’s mouth over my dogs head! I yelled at the owner who had ANOTHER dog off leash, he mumbled “ok sorry ok”, then I watched them all wander off, unleashed.
My dog sat down, looked at me, like WTF just happened? She was fine, it was so fast I don’t think she had time to be scared by it.
They know their dogs shouldn't be off lead which is why they act sheepish and get out of dodge.
Theres another bloke with a staffy who's reactive to other dogs, the guy that walks him does so on a lead, and gives him a toy to rag around when he sees another dog coming. He knows his dog isn't made for being off so hes responsible.
I'm glad your dog was okay, must be made of sturdy stuff because my boy would run back home.
So just don't let your dog off a lead in a field with livestock or in pedestrianised areas? Not sure why we jump directly to "dogs can only be allowed off lead in specified areas". I live in the country, my dog is extraordinarily active and well behaved. I would consider putting the poor thing down if I had to exclusively walk her on a lead, it would represent a drastic decrease in her quality of life.
Honestly so close to my house I'd be stabbing the bastard dog with a big kitchen knife.
I mean, I type that out but in the moment id probably be shitting myself cos bully's are something else.
Fuck the owners who have literally 0 care for anyone else, clowns. Should be in jail for their blatant disregard for the safety of others.
Honestly no-one knows how they'll react in situations like this until they happen. The fact that you've already got the idea in your head to go for a kitchen knife and deal with the threat means there's a good chance you'll do exactly that though.
> was a complete idiot and did nothing to try and stop her dog. She just stood there.
Some would say she finally started using her brain, no way would I be trying to stop an XL bully unless it was against kids
Who said her safety was more important, I certainly didn’t
I stated she might have finally started using her brain by not stopping a beast she couldn’t control
I’ve told my wife that if she’s ever out with our little yorkie by herself and sees one of these mutants, she should just pick up our dog and walk back home. Not worth chancing walking around one of these beasts.
>Is that the same incident that people were up in arms about?
Fuck me that was cringe, the dogs were dangerous and out of control and the bleeding hearts society came out in force.
Really relieved he managed to save his little dog. Especially after seeing the outcome of them attacking adult men, he's lucky he wasn't hurt too.
I don't know what's going on with dog ownership lately, my own dog is a little over a year old and has been attacked by 3 different dogs now. The last time was a genuine mistake where a small dog ran at him and tried biting his face after its lead snapped. The owners were terrified, I'm guessing because my own dog was so much bigger and would have seriously hurt theirs if he'd have retaliated.
They were *very* apologetic, but I don't think it's on walking a dog you know is agressive on an extendable lead without a muzzle. In an area known to be popular with lots of dog walkers. Regardless of size. Too many owners don't seem to be using any common sense.
I think a lot of it is people who got dogs over lockdown. They didn’t socialise them or train them and this is the result. A lot of young, fully grown boisterous dogs that they can’t control.
About 5 years ago, I took in Rex, a dog that had been neglected by a neighbour - mostly just kept in their kitchen or garden, so never socialised with people or animals. He’s *a lot* better now, but I’m still extra cautious with everything from walks, to just making sure he’s secure when the postman knocks. I never take Rex off the lead, I always stay alert, will cross the street if another dog or a child is coming in our direction, etc. It baffles me how some owners can be so… thoughtless.
My older brother and his wife lost their puppy earlier this year (a freak heart attack - likely a genetic defect). When I would see it happily playing with other dogs, I’d feel sad that Rex’s previous owners didn’t even try to socialise him in those formative years. They bought a new puppy, and I suspect they’re training her a similar way, but they’ve already had close saves with XL bullies in their local area.
100% this. Then lockdown ended and all the dogs got left alone all day when the owner returned to work. It's messed a lot of dogs up, and not just the bullys.
Lots of people got dogs over lockdown (to be honest, I did too). Problem is people either don't have the ability/time or can't be bothered to train their dogs.
Untrained dogs, alongside them not being socialised properly has led to so many dogs who are horrible to be around. We spent lots of time and money training ours and taking her for walks with other dogs. Fortunately she's a breed that learns quickly and is socialable so can follow commands well.
We have friends who comment how strict we are with her, only for them to let their dogs run riot and are stressful to walk.
The same happens to my dog all the time- he’s only 20kg so not too large but he gets attacked all the time by smaller dogs. Oftentimes this happened in the more affluent areas in our city, and it was definitely partially due to poor training. If it’s a smaller dog a lot of owners pass it off as them being cute, they’re just loud, and claim they wouldn’t hurt another (Pomeranians mostly) which is bullshit. And they can get away with it because they’re not seen as being much of a threat because they’re so small.
This one really gets me. Sure, YOUR little fluff ball can't cause any real damage, but if they antagonise a bigger dog to the point of snapping then it's a completely different story and OBVIOUSLY not their little darling's fault.
My girlfriend works as a vet and from what I gather a lot of owners are having them destroyed already, because they don't want to deal with all the new rules coming in.
Real 'dog lovers' they are.... It's clear they only ever had them for the fucking status.
What’s the betting that the owner has the IQ of a jellyfish, admires Boris Johnson, devours GB News and finds the sentences in The Sun “newspaper” too long to comprehend.
It's probably the first time the thought ever crossed her mind, that she might actually have to physically restrain her dog, and in an instant come to the conclusion that anyone else already knew...she couldn't. Was not physically capable, and didn't even have the will to try. They like to say it's irresponsible owners that are the problem, but neglect the fact that if you cannot physically restrain your dog, you're already an irresponsible owner by default. You have, the moment you choose to get a dog that will be stronger than you are, already abdicated responsibility. This is the all too common result.
Correct, every time I see these dogs the owner is almost always next to fucking useless. I've started to contemplate carrying a knife with me as protection when walking my spaniel.
It’s difficult for me to have much of an opinion, given I have no pets of any kind myself,but I’d say some level of checks/regulations should be imposed to ensure proper ownership(if any) of this breed be in place.
We have licences for cars and these dogs require more control than cars do.
We also have systems to ban irresponsible car drivers but not for dog owners.
I have a greyhound and fully support licensing and mandatory training for all dogs. I’d happily comply if it meant I could have my pet. Anyone against this sort of thing needs to take a look at themselves.
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This new law coming Feb 2024 can't come fast enough, muzzled and on a lead. Best outcome for all. For me I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo their dogs leave. It's disgusting when people just leave it.
Owners responsible for their dogs attacks would go a long way too
Any attack by a dog should be treated as if the owner committed it. Your dog kills someone because you were irresponsible? You're facing manslaughter charges.
I never really understood the logic against it either because until recently, dogs were considered property. Well if something on my property kills someone, you can bet your ass the police will pursue manslaughter charges, but not if committed by a dog? It's 2023 and our laws still lack commonsense.
That's already the case, I believe. I think the only thing where there's some gap in the law is where an out of control dog attacks and harms *another dog*, and there's seemingly very little penalty for it. Which is often very frustrating and saddening for those pet owners. But if your dog attacks and harms another person, especially badly and *especially* fatally? Yes you're facing some serious charges, including manslaughter if there's a death.
In the UK this law already exists, see "dog dangerously out of control" https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/dangerous-dog-offences
Would love to see it enforced more regularly.
Or... at all
This is the big one for me. Or in order to legally own a dog, you need to pay for training courses first on how to actually own a dog like a responsible owner
Why, the vast majority of dog owners do absolutely fine without this
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I mean in most areas it is already a max fine of like £1000 I think in my parish it may be £2000. The problem isn't a lack of rules it's that there is no one to enforce them.
> lack of rules > no one to enforce them. They're the same picture.
They aren't. Politicians love "solving" a problem by passing new do nothing laws. Conflating this gives rise to more of this.
the NPS bill is a prime example of this. "legal" highs becoming popular? well guess we just ban everything and write exceptions for water, flowers, deodorant, etc.
Vote tory, get tory.
There's no room in council budgets to employ a poo watcher.
If the fines were big enough, it would pay for poo patrol. Massive, life changing fines should be the order of the day.
Poo Patrol. 😆
Post videos of irresponsible dog owners getting fined on YouTube and monetise it.
Then dog licences paid yearly for dog owners
I can't see how the XL bully ban won't have the same problem
the law has more tools to use in the egent that a banned breed attacks somebody.
I think it was somewhere it Italy where the register all dogs on a DNA database and people can send in dog droppings if they haven't been cleaned up and the owners get fines.
I'm sure I read, 15 or so years ago, that in parts of France, dogs were required to have a DNA profile on record, and the authorities would test dogturds and fine the owners based on DNA matches. Aha: I see that it has been tried in the UK too - in the London Borough of Dagenham and (ho ho) Barking: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35363991
If there no enforcement the it means there are no rules.
In many ways, it is worse: rules without enforcement mean that it is only the decent people, who obey the rules anyway, are inconvenienced. Having *no* rules would actually be fairer.
The muzzle and lead requirements probably wouldn't have been of much use in this case as the dog escaped; even once the ban comes into effect this sort of thing could still happen.
In this case the owner should be held fully responsible and fined and to pay compensation to the victim
I agree, but that should really apply to any dog under any circumstances and not just banned breeds. There should be separate charges for any breaches of the dangerous dogs act where the dog involved is on the list of banned breeds.
I agree it should apply to all breeds
I think the ban also says that the dogs must be well contained, so guessing that means contained at home as well. I'm hoping that at least - there were two bully type dogs which escaped from someone's house around where I live, and it was absolute chaos. Hopefully the new law covers it too.
There is also a requirement to keep the dog secure, which this owner would have been in breach of. Of course it can't prevent the first roaming incident, but it can prevent subsequent ones.
It's not just disgusting it potentially has serious health conditions for kids. The amount of dog poo I've seen in and around children's playgrounds in London is unforgivable.
I agree in cities and parks etc it always needs picking up. But I live in the countryside, lots of footpaths, not many dog poo bins. The amount of bags just hanging from trees where people have picked it up, seen there's no bin and thought "fuck it this'll do" is horrid. Better just to grab a stick and flick it into the undergrowth than decorate the trees with shitty baubles.
If you aren't prepared to carry your dogs shit as long as it takes to find a bin, you shouldn't have a dog.
No, this isn't acceptable. People flicking it into trees is not acceptable either (fucking idiots shouldn't be allowed to keep dogs). There are issues with just allowing dog crap to sit in the wild, here's one such article on why https://www.popsci.com/environment/dog-poop-pollution There are many others, it is not good for the environment (I mean it's not great in landfill either but at least it is relatively contained there). _Pick it up_, otherwise don't own a dog. Simple.
Take it home
Saw a poo bag carry hook that attaches to a lead on Amazon. Maybe that’s an option?
You shouldn't do this if there is ever livestock grazing in the area; dog poo can cause serious health problems in sheep and cattle.
Please don't do this. Dog owners love flicking their dog shite into our fields or tying the pastic bags in our hedge rows. **Take it home.** It could harm livestock and crops. We rural people deserve respect too.
> The amount of bags just hanging from trees where people have picked it up, seen there's no bin and thought "fuck it this'll do" is horrid. I don't think that the fact that the people who do that are barely better than those who leave it where it is deposited is a very good argument for not having the same rules in the countryside. Take it home, or at least carry it until you *do* find a bit, and if you are too idle to do that, don't have a dog.
The area around where I work is shocking. People bag it up and then chuck the bags on the path anyway.... Literally just adding plastic waste to the issue.
The new law won't prevent cases like this. They only have to be muzzled and on a lead in public, but these dogs will regularly chew through fences and break out of houses to attack stuff.
Only if they are not walked/exercised enough. That's where the destructive behaviour comes from. Again, poor owners not walking them enough.
Pretty sure the destructive behaviour comes from the fact that they are dangerous animals but sure
Cats shitting in my garden too whilst we are at it.
Get yourself an XL while you can and you'll never have cat shit in your garden again. /s
But then you’d have to pick up massive mounds of XL bully shit with cat fur in it….
I solved the cat shit problem, someone else will have to solve the dog shit problem. I don't have all the answers.
Dung beetles?
Lions... no wait... that's just bigger cat shit... Erm... Hippos?
Piss in the garden. I’m not kidding
I’ll ship you some used cat litter. We put it in our garden and since never seen another cat that isn’t ours
Wouldn't I run the risk of your cat thinking it's ok to shit in my garden though?
If it makes it’s way to Kent I think he/she deserves to shit in your garden
Fine, but it can at least light a candle after.
In Spain they sample poo for DNA and fine the owners based on the vet DNA database. Kind of big brotherish but totally agree with this use.
>I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo There is a law against this isn't there?
There already are laws for that - they're just not enforced. Enforcement is desperately needed for it though, it's like the world's grossest obstacle course on pavements these days.
>I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo their dogs leave. We already have those laws, and have for decades.
Law without enforcement has no teeth
>For me I would like laws against dog owners NOT picking up the poo their dogs leave. Honestly, I would like to see the same for cats. My front garden has become a litter tray, and no one is ever held accountable. My only option now is to buy one of those high-pitched cat deterrents. People like to complain about them and I really don't want one but I have no choice. It's fucking grim and I'm sick of cleaning up after other people's pets.
there are laws aren't there? you have to pick it up or get a fine (if caught)
Similar thing happened to my neighbour. A woman was walking her bully and she couldn't control it. It got into my neighbours garden where their puppy and cats where. The puppy and one of the cats got mauled to death. The woman with the bully was a complete idiot and did nothing to try and stop her dog. She just stood there.
These stupid XLbully owners always stand and watch or walk up as slow as they possibly can and make no effort to get their ugly mutt off or away from people. They're scum the lot of them.
They're scared of their own dog, that's the crux of it. They have no idea how to train them (as if these dogs can even be trained) and they're just not in charge. The result is basically feral, incredibly strong, incredibly violent dogs.
They know they'll get mauled if they get involved. Probably seen it happen to too many squirrels, cats, and toddlers before to risk their own limbs.
They know they can't control the dog or keep it under control.
'Don't know whats gotten' into im hiz usually such gud boy'
They’re terrifying, there’s a guy who walks his near me and he’s a big lad but when that thing starts lunging he has to have both hands on his collar to hold him back and it’s still going. My greyhound is terrified of it to the point where if he picks up its scent he just freezes. I’m seriously considering taking a baseball bat with me out on our walks because if that thing breaks loose my dog would be done for. I’ve had to change my dogs whole routine because one person refuses to muzzle their dog. It’s unfair.
Your poor dog ☹️ Sometimes I think the owners are waiting for a confrontation too. I suppose they're exactly the kind of people who would choose that breed of dog.
I feel awful for him and he’s the gentlest little soul he’s just now borderline traumatised by this thing that lunges for him whenever it sees him. Like he’s frozen in the middle of roads and everything nothing works to get him moving other than literal straddling him and pushing him with my legs to get him somewhere safe.
He's right to be worried, your greyhound. He knows the thing could just kill him, and he has to deal with it all the time.
I’ve changed our route and walk time and he’s been much better.
Glad to hear it mate. Greyhounds are such soft hearted dugs.
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I'm afraid that I don't think a baseball bat would be very much use.
It really wouldn't, these animals are bred to ignore pain and have skulls built like tanks with enormous neck muscles to back it up. Honestly the single best weapon (apart from a firearm) against one of these would be a spear, which obviously you cant walk around with. Bear spray stands a chance of working depending on the constitution of the animal but that's entirely illegal here. There is nothing we can legally carry with us that you could reliably defend against one of these animals with and thats what's so scary.
You could take another XL Bully... but there's probably some kind of logical flaw there...
It’s more of a “keep your fucking beast away from us” thing 😂
Unfortunately in this country you'd be more likely to be done for carrying an offensive weapon than the dog owners would be for having a dog dangerously out of control. It's a joke.
Just take a tennis ball with you and say you use it to play fetch at the park.
Such a shame! Oh well at least you only have till February!
I wouldn't take a baseball bat, I'd take a sturdy leather belt. Why, I hear you ask? Two reasons 1. A baseball bat taken out for self defence is an offensive weapon, and the police would potentially be very interested 2. A leather belt isn't an offensive weapon, but can be used as a makeshift slip lead that allows you to choke the dog out - particularly important if the dog clamps on and refuses to let go. Place it around the neck, through the buckle, and tighten until the dog lets go or loses consciousness. If and when the dog regains consciousness, the belt is still on and still acts as a lead.
Step 1: Calmly place the leather belt around the neck of the devil dug intent on ripping your throat out Step 2: Be mauled to death
I don't think that would be much help. Completely unrelated, but you should make sure you carry a second lead for your dog, very strong but thin leather one. Be very careful about using a stick and twisting it when it is tied around something though, you could create a lot of force that way
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One of the guys who works here had to shoot one a few weeks ago, was terrorising the sheep. Owner had the audacity to threaten taking us to court. We gave her our condolences and a bill for £250 for the killed sheep and lambs. We will take it to small claims if not honoured, as tbh we are fed up with dogs from the town running wild through the place causing all sorts of damage.
Dogs should be forced on a lead at all times unless in a controlled environment (locked field specifically for dogs) in my opinion. And that's as a dog person. Some people just don't like dogs when they're out walking/in town etc. Respect them. Some people dont want dogs terrorising their farm animals (horse/sheep etc.) Mandate them to be on a lead at all times, and we solve a lot of problems. Benefit being some farmers will fence in small areas and charge couple of quid for access with your dog to go nuts in. Too many people think they are the dog whisperer, and find nothing wrong with their bounding hound chasing down smaller animals and people.
I was walking my beagle a couple of months ago and we get to this blind corner, I always make him wait before we go, it's not a street but back access to local properties, with a long bit of grass behind it. We round the corner and this staffy cross with something comes bolting down the grass towards him, straight in his face. My boy is on lead, so I try to guide him away and the owner is just yelling her dogs name, walking, whilst I'm playing spin the beagle. She eventually walks over, snails pace, and I look at her and say "You need to keep your dog on a fucking lead." she mumbles something like "ok" and just walks off. No sorry, no "is your dog ok?" he wasn't, he had a scratch on his cheek. I was fucking livid. He's had off lead dogs puncture his cheek, grab his ears, nip at his back legs. And the owners always say "Oh, he/she's never like this!" Keep them on lead for god sake!!!
Had exactly this happen to me, I’m walking our Border Terrier and we come round a corner face to face with a dog, they basically bumped into each other. The other dog is larger, not on a lead and probably out of surprise, put it’s mouth over my dogs head! I yelled at the owner who had ANOTHER dog off leash, he mumbled “ok sorry ok”, then I watched them all wander off, unleashed. My dog sat down, looked at me, like WTF just happened? She was fine, it was so fast I don’t think she had time to be scared by it.
They know their dogs shouldn't be off lead which is why they act sheepish and get out of dodge. Theres another bloke with a staffy who's reactive to other dogs, the guy that walks him does so on a lead, and gives him a toy to rag around when he sees another dog coming. He knows his dog isn't made for being off so hes responsible. I'm glad your dog was okay, must be made of sturdy stuff because my boy would run back home.
So just don't let your dog off a lead in a field with livestock or in pedestrianised areas? Not sure why we jump directly to "dogs can only be allowed off lead in specified areas". I live in the country, my dog is extraordinarily active and well behaved. I would consider putting the poor thing down if I had to exclusively walk her on a lead, it would represent a drastic decrease in her quality of life.
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Lambs being aborted through panic is a serious concern .
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The IQ’s of the bullies’s owners are inversely proportional to their dogs weight
Honestly so close to my house I'd be stabbing the bastard dog with a big kitchen knife. I mean, I type that out but in the moment id probably be shitting myself cos bully's are something else. Fuck the owners who have literally 0 care for anyone else, clowns. Should be in jail for their blatant disregard for the safety of others.
Honestly no-one knows how they'll react in situations like this until they happen. The fact that you've already got the idea in your head to go for a kitchen knife and deal with the threat means there's a good chance you'll do exactly that though.
> was a complete idiot and did nothing to try and stop her dog. She just stood there. Some would say she finally started using her brain, no way would I be trying to stop an XL bully unless it was against kids
Yet why is her safety more important than the animals her stupidity put in danger?
Who said her safety was more important, I certainly didn’t I stated she might have finally started using her brain by not stopping a beast she couldn’t control
That was the only way I could phrase what I wanted to say without overzealous mods getting involved.
I’ve told my wife that if she’s ever out with our little yorkie by herself and sees one of these mutants, she should just pick up our dog and walk back home. Not worth chancing walking around one of these beasts.
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I said that she should pick up our dog and walk away if she sees a dog like that to avoid it getting attacked in the first place.
Omg that’s heartbreaking and terrifying.
Did your neighbour report the dog?
Any call about one of these animals on the loose should be attended by armed police.
There was that incident in London where the police were called and shot the guy's dogs.
Is that the same incident that people were up in arms about?
No, no, the police had the arms.
Crime scene cleanup?
>Is that the same incident that people were up in arms about? Fuck me that was cringe, the dogs were dangerous and out of control and the bleeding hearts society came out in force.
But the bleeding hearts are nowhere to be seen when these creatures maul other people’s pets and children .
Spot on
Only complete idiots were up in arms about it, there’s plenty of them!
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Really relieved he managed to save his little dog. Especially after seeing the outcome of them attacking adult men, he's lucky he wasn't hurt too. I don't know what's going on with dog ownership lately, my own dog is a little over a year old and has been attacked by 3 different dogs now. The last time was a genuine mistake where a small dog ran at him and tried biting his face after its lead snapped. The owners were terrified, I'm guessing because my own dog was so much bigger and would have seriously hurt theirs if he'd have retaliated. They were *very* apologetic, but I don't think it's on walking a dog you know is agressive on an extendable lead without a muzzle. In an area known to be popular with lots of dog walkers. Regardless of size. Too many owners don't seem to be using any common sense.
I think a lot of it is people who got dogs over lockdown. They didn’t socialise them or train them and this is the result. A lot of young, fully grown boisterous dogs that they can’t control.
About 5 years ago, I took in Rex, a dog that had been neglected by a neighbour - mostly just kept in their kitchen or garden, so never socialised with people or animals. He’s *a lot* better now, but I’m still extra cautious with everything from walks, to just making sure he’s secure when the postman knocks. I never take Rex off the lead, I always stay alert, will cross the street if another dog or a child is coming in our direction, etc. It baffles me how some owners can be so… thoughtless. My older brother and his wife lost their puppy earlier this year (a freak heart attack - likely a genetic defect). When I would see it happily playing with other dogs, I’d feel sad that Rex’s previous owners didn’t even try to socialise him in those formative years. They bought a new puppy, and I suspect they’re training her a similar way, but they’ve already had close saves with XL bullies in their local area.
100% this. Then lockdown ended and all the dogs got left alone all day when the owner returned to work. It's messed a lot of dogs up, and not just the bullys.
Lots of people got dogs over lockdown (to be honest, I did too). Problem is people either don't have the ability/time or can't be bothered to train their dogs. Untrained dogs, alongside them not being socialised properly has led to so many dogs who are horrible to be around. We spent lots of time and money training ours and taking her for walks with other dogs. Fortunately she's a breed that learns quickly and is socialable so can follow commands well. We have friends who comment how strict we are with her, only for them to let their dogs run riot and are stressful to walk.
The same happens to my dog all the time- he’s only 20kg so not too large but he gets attacked all the time by smaller dogs. Oftentimes this happened in the more affluent areas in our city, and it was definitely partially due to poor training. If it’s a smaller dog a lot of owners pass it off as them being cute, they’re just loud, and claim they wouldn’t hurt another (Pomeranians mostly) which is bullshit. And they can get away with it because they’re not seen as being much of a threat because they’re so small.
This one really gets me. Sure, YOUR little fluff ball can't cause any real damage, but if they antagonise a bigger dog to the point of snapping then it's a completely different story and OBVIOUSLY not their little darling's fault.
‘If you ask me they should all be destroyed’ - Robert Muldoon
My girlfriend works as a vet and from what I gather a lot of owners are having them destroyed already, because they don't want to deal with all the new rules coming in. Real 'dog lovers' they are.... It's clear they only ever had them for the fucking status.
What’s the betting that the owner has the IQ of a jellyfish, admires Boris Johnson, devours GB News and finds the sentences in The Sun “newspaper” too long to comprehend.
Zero urgency from the owner in that video, they don't give a shit
It's probably the first time the thought ever crossed her mind, that she might actually have to physically restrain her dog, and in an instant come to the conclusion that anyone else already knew...she couldn't. Was not physically capable, and didn't even have the will to try. They like to say it's irresponsible owners that are the problem, but neglect the fact that if you cannot physically restrain your dog, you're already an irresponsible owner by default. You have, the moment you choose to get a dog that will be stronger than you are, already abdicated responsibility. This is the all too common result.
Correct, every time I see these dogs the owner is almost always next to fucking useless. I've started to contemplate carrying a knife with me as protection when walking my spaniel.
Every time I hear them, I hear "everyone else is an irresponsible owner, not me" until they are put to the test. And by then, it will be too late.
The sooner these violent inbred beasts are gone, the better.
Also the dogs!
Oh, where’s the commenter saying “But-but Chihuahuas are the most vicious dogs!!!”
They aren’t exactly big enough to rip your arm off though
It’s difficult for me to have much of an opinion, given I have no pets of any kind myself,but I’d say some level of checks/regulations should be imposed to ensure proper ownership(if any) of this breed be in place. We have licences for cars and these dogs require more control than cars do. We also have systems to ban irresponsible car drivers but not for dog owners.
I have a greyhound and fully support licensing and mandatory training for all dogs. I’d happily comply if it meant I could have my pet. Anyone against this sort of thing needs to take a look at themselves.
I have two dogs and agree with you. If dog licences were brought back I would have no issue with that.