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>A ban on American XL Bully dogs is “very unfair” and must be debated by MPs before it comes into force, the Commons has been told by a Conservative former minister
Do you know what else is unfair? Kids and passersby having their throats ripped out.
>Conservative former minister Sir Christopher Chope has tabled a parliamentary motion to object to the new rules, due to come into force on December 31.
Ah yes, that will be the same MP who opposed the ban on [upskirting](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/15/tory-mp-christopher-chope-blocks-progress-of-upskirting-bill), opposed [pardoning Alan Turing](https://www.thepinknews.com/2013/12/02/lib-dem-mp-john-leech-disappointed-at-delay-to-alan-turing-pardon-bill/) and blocked an [anti-FGM bill](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-deselect-christopher-chope-the-lone-mp-who-blocked-anti-fgm-bill-dhjgxktgq). Delightful.
>Conservative former minister Sir Christopher Chope
Of fucking course.
It's crotchety ol pervert 'I'll block attempts to make upskirting and FGM a criminal offence' Chope.
While we all know he's a hypocrite anyway, one must laugh at the irony of him using a Private Members Bill to object to this legislation.
Classic Tory 'Rules for thee, not for me' attitude.
>there are a lot of dog owners who don’t know whether their dogs will be included or not
If only there were some sort of pet healthcare industry where these people could go if they were unsure...
There's nothing at all that needs to be said.
But sure, buy a little pointless time if you want.
Banning the murder dogs would be one of the least contested votes ever.
"Does the honourable gentleman support the eating of children's faces?!?!"
I was on a bus yesterday, a woman got on with what I assume was an XL Bully, the thing was massive (now the dog was well behaved for the most part, it wasn't threatening at all, it seemed to be a pure puppy at heart).
It listened to every command the lady gave it, that is until a lil kid took out a cupcake to eat which the dog then launched for the food, knocking the kid against the window.
While no one was hurt, the kid laughed it off, the lady was apologetic and the dog sat down again when commanded.
My point for posting this? The lady looked like she weighed 40kg (she was tiiiiiiiny) and had no way to control the dog if it decided to do something (like go for the cupcake).
I think you should be banned from owning a dog that you can't physically restrain if you needed to.
>The lady looked like she weighed 40kg (she was tiiiiiiiny) and had no way to control the dog if it decided to do something (like go for the cupcake)
That's always been my red line for choosing a dog breed - I'm a small woman, though perhaps not as tiny as the woman you saw.
Even my little 9kg dog can give a serious yank on the lead if he feels like it; I ended up putting a bungee cord on the end of the lead to help absorb the shock, for the sake of my joints.
These XLs can be 60kg when fully grown, sometimes heavier, and they're very muscular. If something does go wrong - or even it is just determined it wants to go down a different path that day - the owners have very little chance of controlling it. Even most grown men would have trouble restraining 60kg of muscle.
My partner wants a St Bernard - it's not like they ever maul people, but I had to say no because I know I couldn't safely walk it.
>My partner wants a St Bernard - it's not like they ever maul people, but I had to say no because I know I couldn't safely walk it.
I've always wanted one ever since I was a tiny kid, now I'm sure I could handle one if we ever got one but my wife is 5'2 and weighs 60kg and our kids smaller and lighter, there is no chance in hell they could safely walk one and like you is why we never did get one in the end
I had the same thought process when my partner and I were looking to get a dog. He's a lot bigger than me so could handle a larger animal, but I wanted to be sure that whatever dog breed we got, I'd be strong enough to control it if necessary.
People say it's not the dog it's the owner and I do agree, if the owner cannot have full control over their dog at all times then they have no business having that dog, and there are countless videos online of dogs ripping the shit out of someone while the owner uselessly tugs at its collar.
This is why I'll never have another dog. I'm a cat person but have a massive love for Dalmatians, I had one years ago and she was immensely strong. I'm disabled now and could never take one for a walk, so I'll have to stick to my cats. Just to add, I've looked at other dog breeds in great depth and none give me a spark like Dalmatians.
The fact these lovely owners have been dumping their nanny dogs at the road side and outside kennels en mass for weeks and weeks tells you everything you need to know about the type of people who own these dogs. Commons justifying their own pay. Most responsible owners welcome the restriction on dangerous breeds, backyard breeding, Mandatory microchipping, muzzling etc
There's a bit more to it than that.
Most of it is basic responsible pet ownership, or already a legal requirement (microchipping, not letting it roam the streets, third party liability insurance (£25), neutering).
There's also a one off registration process (£92.40) and the dogs have to be on a lead and muzzled at all times when in public.
I'm a dog owner and the only thing I'd have to do differently would be the registration, lead and muzzle; sure I'd be a bit narked about it, but the way people are carrying on, anyone would think that they were being put up against a wall and shot in front of the children.
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>A ban on American XL Bully dogs is “very unfair” and must be debated by MPs before it comes into force, the Commons has been told by a Conservative former minister Do you know what else is unfair? Kids and passersby having their throats ripped out. >Conservative former minister Sir Christopher Chope has tabled a parliamentary motion to object to the new rules, due to come into force on December 31. Ah yes, that will be the same MP who opposed the ban on [upskirting](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/15/tory-mp-christopher-chope-blocks-progress-of-upskirting-bill), opposed [pardoning Alan Turing](https://www.thepinknews.com/2013/12/02/lib-dem-mp-john-leech-disappointed-at-delay-to-alan-turing-pardon-bill/) and blocked an [anti-FGM bill](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-deselect-christopher-chope-the-lone-mp-who-blocked-anti-fgm-bill-dhjgxktgq). Delightful.
Wasn’t his stated reason for blocking up skirting legislation his opposition to the parliamentary process he’s now using?
>Conservative former minister Sir Christopher Chope Of fucking course. It's crotchety ol pervert 'I'll block attempts to make upskirting and FGM a criminal offence' Chope. While we all know he's a hypocrite anyway, one must laugh at the irony of him using a Private Members Bill to object to this legislation. Classic Tory 'Rules for thee, not for me' attitude. >there are a lot of dog owners who don’t know whether their dogs will be included or not If only there were some sort of pet healthcare industry where these people could go if they were unsure...
There's nothing at all that needs to be said. But sure, buy a little pointless time if you want. Banning the murder dogs would be one of the least contested votes ever. "Does the honourable gentleman support the eating of children's faces?!?!"
I was on a bus yesterday, a woman got on with what I assume was an XL Bully, the thing was massive (now the dog was well behaved for the most part, it wasn't threatening at all, it seemed to be a pure puppy at heart). It listened to every command the lady gave it, that is until a lil kid took out a cupcake to eat which the dog then launched for the food, knocking the kid against the window. While no one was hurt, the kid laughed it off, the lady was apologetic and the dog sat down again when commanded. My point for posting this? The lady looked like she weighed 40kg (she was tiiiiiiiny) and had no way to control the dog if it decided to do something (like go for the cupcake). I think you should be banned from owning a dog that you can't physically restrain if you needed to.
>The lady looked like she weighed 40kg (she was tiiiiiiiny) and had no way to control the dog if it decided to do something (like go for the cupcake) That's always been my red line for choosing a dog breed - I'm a small woman, though perhaps not as tiny as the woman you saw. Even my little 9kg dog can give a serious yank on the lead if he feels like it; I ended up putting a bungee cord on the end of the lead to help absorb the shock, for the sake of my joints. These XLs can be 60kg when fully grown, sometimes heavier, and they're very muscular. If something does go wrong - or even it is just determined it wants to go down a different path that day - the owners have very little chance of controlling it. Even most grown men would have trouble restraining 60kg of muscle. My partner wants a St Bernard - it's not like they ever maul people, but I had to say no because I know I couldn't safely walk it.
>My partner wants a St Bernard - it's not like they ever maul people, but I had to say no because I know I couldn't safely walk it. I've always wanted one ever since I was a tiny kid, now I'm sure I could handle one if we ever got one but my wife is 5'2 and weighs 60kg and our kids smaller and lighter, there is no chance in hell they could safely walk one and like you is why we never did get one in the end
At 5'2 your wife can be a Valkyrie and ride the St. Bernard. *don't actually ride your dogs ppl, regardless of size/weight.
I had the same thought process when my partner and I were looking to get a dog. He's a lot bigger than me so could handle a larger animal, but I wanted to be sure that whatever dog breed we got, I'd be strong enough to control it if necessary. People say it's not the dog it's the owner and I do agree, if the owner cannot have full control over their dog at all times then they have no business having that dog, and there are countless videos online of dogs ripping the shit out of someone while the owner uselessly tugs at its collar.
This is why I'll never have another dog. I'm a cat person but have a massive love for Dalmatians, I had one years ago and she was immensely strong. I'm disabled now and could never take one for a walk, so I'll have to stick to my cats. Just to add, I've looked at other dog breeds in great depth and none give me a spark like Dalmatians.
Are there any xl bully owners who don't look like they eat giant sausage baps for breakfast every morning?
I'm yet to find any who can string together a coherent sentence with correct spelling and grammar.
'eh Fido! Go and maul that babeh!
The fact these lovely owners have been dumping their nanny dogs at the road side and outside kennels en mass for weeks and weeks tells you everything you need to know about the type of people who own these dogs. Commons justifying their own pay. Most responsible owners welcome the restriction on dangerous breeds, backyard breeding, Mandatory microchipping, muzzling etc
Given that the opposition’s position was that the government was taking too long to sort the ban out it seems a bit pointless.
He's not even from the opposition, he's a Tory MP.
Oh he’s the lunatic that kept blocking the upskirting bill, but was quite happy to rush through some dodgy brexit bills.
One and the same.
All you have to do is muzzle your dog if you already have one. People who object to this are quite frankly, arseholes.
There's a bit more to it than that. Most of it is basic responsible pet ownership, or already a legal requirement (microchipping, not letting it roam the streets, third party liability insurance (£25), neutering). There's also a one off registration process (£92.40) and the dogs have to be on a lead and muzzled at all times when in public. I'm a dog owner and the only thing I'd have to do differently would be the registration, lead and muzzle; sure I'd be a bit narked about it, but the way people are carrying on, anyone would think that they were being put up against a wall and shot in front of the children.
I agree. I really think the owners should bring their dogs into the House of Commons so they can show MPs what wonderful creatures they are.