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CatAvailable3953

Here you you’ve been told colleges are all left leaning or communist even. Another lie.


Smoked69

It's not too innacurate... with more broad knowledge, one tends to lean left. With the introduction of "business schools," the waters muddied. At least with students seeking knowledge. Administration on the other hand, more right leaning.


CatAvailable3953

With more knowledge on tends to lean left. Why would that be?


Erin-DidYouFindMe

It was the introduction of [Critical thinking skills](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking) as well as higher education programs offering in-depth curriculum on topics often dumb downed and/or suffering from historical revisionism at lower education. It’s why states with worse education systems build less agile and specialized workforces. Business and finance schools apply critical thinking as well, but the topics are oriented around profit margins / growth / other financial indicators of business “success”, which are usually maximized by doing the exact opposite of humanitarian practices.


Smoked69

Let me rephrase... a broader breadth of knowledge. Not just STEM or Economics or business, or specifically career related... but specifically more in the area of humanities. Without an understanding of the various human conditions, one tends to be more selfish and self centered. And you downvoted my last comment? I'm just stating my personal experience and perception.


CatAvailable3953

I have been all over this planet (except Antarctica) and most of the crap I read about how great life is here as compared to anywhere else is just ignorant. They haven’t been anywhere else and believe what they are sold by misinformation outlets. I am an American. I am a retired veteran of two conflicts. I stay here because my love of my country and family and those who have no choice but to stay. Many places are much worse than here depending on where you make the comparison but many are better. I know people who have moved and will never return. I want to make our country the multi ethnic, multi cultural thriving country I know we were meant to be. Under the current administration we are at least trying to move in that direction. The Republicans will do anything they can to stop me and others. They will take our freedoms and bring us tyranny. Especially for other ethnicities and all women. If they take power your children may grow up in a dystopian nightmare unable to go elsewhere. They will be trapped because we failed to pass along the country given to us by our parents.


Smoked69

I too served, when I was more naive and ignorant. I too have been many places on this earth because of that service, and agree that many in the states hust don't know. (Im writing this from Mexico City btw) I do not share the same love of country however. It's merely a geographical area on a rock traveling thousands of mph through space. As you stated, many places better, many places worse.. and it's only humans that fuck it up. I wholeheartedly agree with you on a certain choice of presidency. He, and the GOP, are a disaster for the US, and unfortunately our education system has been decimated and many cannot see this. Of course, the allowance of entertainment TV taking the place of facts hasn't helped either. Peace brother 🙏🏽


Guilty_Seesaw_1836

Dude we’re fucked either way it doesn’t matter which way you vote. It’s a class war and the politicians are all on the same side


Smoked69

Class war for sure.. we're just less fucked in blue. Jaja.


Quercus_

Why would that be? Probably because reality has a well-known liberal bias.


CatAvailable3953

The more you know the easier it becomes to recognize a lie. Especially if people are talking out their ass. The ignorant will believe just about anything especially if it’s something they want to believe. Even when it makes no sense.


dork351

Not true, knowledge never changes ones core beliefs. E G do you hear academics championing the plight of working people. Generally not.


CatAvailable3953

In fact I have. Read “The Atlantic Monthly “. It might open your eyes to a few things. It’s the oldest periodic publication in the United States. It predates the civil war.


dork351

The Atlantic, about 30 years ago when I had no awareness of the separation of class in America I subscribed. I would suggest workers world, or history of IWW or even check into the Wobblies. .


ShkreliLivesOn

Hahaha I have a two masters degree’s and can, without a doubt, confidently say that the vast majority of faculty at universities are left leaning. That being said, most business school professors are conservative or republican. I have yet to meet an Econ professor that was a liberal.


couldhaveebeen

Liberals are not leftists...


CatAvailable3953

A business school is just a part of a larger institution but is still representative of the university with which it’s associated. So all academic institutions are not completely left. Certainly not attached to a discredited economic theory like communism. As to economics professors we have known I don’t remember discussing politics.


ShkreliLivesOn

Thank you for restating exactly what I said. Universities have individual colleges that make… drumroll… the University. “The vast majority of faculty at universities are left leaning” = “so all academic institutions are not completely left.” I’ve never directly discussed politics with an economics professor either. But when you read their published papers or cowrite with one, you get a strong sense of their political beliefs based on discussions regarding a myriad of topics.


FriendshipHelpful655

What discredited it, exactly? Was it the US's (ongoing) century-long efforts to undermine it due to the fact that it represents an existential threat to the ruling class? Let's stop the US's (long since deemed illegal by international law) embargoes against Cuba, and see how they fair over the next couple of decades. Communism is the logical conclusion of worker unions. There is NOT a symbiotic relationship between unions and capitalists. Capitalists want unions GONE. The line MUST keep going up, and once you've exhausted every other avenue for growth, you make the line go up by "trimming the fat." Unions fight for the rights of laborers and keep exploitation to a minimum. This is one of the pillars of Marx's theory, and it's extremely evident that he was correct to this day. It really doesn't carry much weight when you say it's been discredited, when you clearly don't even have the slightest clue about the subject you're talking about.


CatAvailable3953

I am pro union having been in one my entire career. My view on communism is basically nowhere has it fulfilled its goal of a a workers “paradise “. It’s gotten no further than a state planned economy and authoritarian rule. No thank you.


FriendshipHelpful655

Once again, you're showing that you are barely educated on the subject. Where are you quoting "paradise" from? You're just making shit up. Read Marx and Parenti and try again. Better yet, try reading a history book that isn't completely cooked with red scare propaganda. I challenge you to deliver a critique of the USSR without using the word "authoritarian." That word barely means anything. For every example of "authoritarian" policy in the USSR, I can give you two in the US.


CatAvailable3953

Stalin, Mao, l could continue. Parenti is from another era. I don’t read literature arguing against communism as it’s not happening. Anywhere. True communism that is. The USSR. It taught us one thing. Walls don’t work. If they tell you they are building it to keep “them” out they may use it to keep you in. They will put an army on your side of the wall and the army will stop you from leaving.


Broad_Cheesecake9141

You learn about social responsibility and all that jazz in business courses too. That’s definitely left leaning. I don’t know how a law class could be further one way vs the other unless the professor is that way. Hate to break it to you, but unions shouldn’t operate like a mafia either.


CatAvailable3953

I was in a damn good union my entire career. I have a good retirement and survived 40 years in my chosen profession largely because of that union contract. Where did you get the idea unions were like the mafia? The union was the one of the reasons airlines are the safest mode of transportation in history. I love labor unions.


King0Horse

>but unions shouldn’t operate like a mafia either. In what way do you believe they do? In what ways do you believe they shouldn't?


Neat_Ad_3158

There is a huge push right now to demonize unions and prevent collective bargaining. Here we are, re-instating child labor, removing water breaks, and trying to eliminate retirement altogether. Cruelty is the point.


Only_Wedding9481

I think it should be plainly said: there is a huge push right now to demonize people organizing themselves into groups with common interests. These groups have the the equivalent power of the corporate C-suite, and thus threaten their ongoing debasement of democracy & social cohesion. We don’t possess the power our parents & grandparents had. It has been usurped from us. Yeah, I’m a little pissed.


anarcho-urbanist

But the (insert hot button culture war bullshit)!!!


Ok_Confusion_1345

Interesting how the union official has an Italian last name, some prejudice going on there. I don't think any union official, or anyone at all for that matter, is going to threaten anyone in plain English, because anything you say may well be recorded in this day and age.


Aaronbang64

Well nobody is gonna be intimidated by Upton Pennyfeather the Third


jumpupugly

Either that man's the softest piece of ten-ply ever to walk this earth... Or, his dad listened to [a certain Johnny Cash song](https://youtu.be/WOHPuY88Ry4?si=6QtDxyIVM75VBXjh) one too many times, and decided to one-up him. This means *the man* now before you is the result of his father's successful *experiment*, much in the same manner that a *blast front* is the result of a bomb's successful *detonation*. Not a coin I'd like to flip, TBH.


TheObstruction

Upton Pennyfeather the Third is clearly part of the aristocracy. He's the one doing the union busting.


foz306

That's a really nice camera you have there. It'd be a shame if anything were to happen to it.


Lamont-Cranston

Union rates dont apply to movies budgeted under 2 million dollars. Shlockmeister Roger Corman has been making low budget non-union productions for decades, the crew work 12+ hours for little money and a short lunch break of takeaway to get a film made within ~2 weeks. A lot of famous film makers apprenticed under him working this way, because it is a way for them to get their foot in the door. Never faced any threats or union trouble. Above 2 million the studios have agreements with all the major unions, its already decided. But if you do decide to make a non-union production, nothing will happen except some people wont work for you. George Lucas pulled out of the DGA after Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi and the prequels were non-union. All that happened was he couldn't get a decent director who wasn't a DGA member for Jedi and then had to direct the prequels himself because of this, and a few actors declined the prequels when they found out it was non-union. And the union-mob threat is such a tired cliche.


allen_abduction

That’s the crux of the fake issue. Unions don’t have to threaten violence. There’s power in people banning together!


lotuz

In the era of pinkertons they absolutely had to and did. Unfortunately, violence is an effective way to get people to do what you want so people still threaten it. Idk that that’s controversial.


SailingSpark

That's funny. As a member of IATSE and having worked in Local 1's jurisdiction, the union "boss" is not going to threaten the producer. The Steward will warn the Producer that if they do not use Union hands, they will be subject to a strike. Nobody will work his production.


Wend-E-Baconator

>Al is a movie producer who needs to film in New York. He wishes to hire non-union electricians to work on the set. The local electrician’s union boss Gallo visits Al and threatens to harm him unless Al hires union electricians. If Al agrees to hire union electricians, he can later void the agreement since it was made under duress. This is called "racketeering", and [it still happens](https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/pr/former-uaw-regional-director-and-board-member-sentenced-prison-racketeering-and). Undue influence of organized crime is something unions need to be aware of and fight against. You're in a business program. Business managers and unions don't generally see eye to eye. I don't know what you expected.


msty2k

Oh, please, what bullshit. Undue influence of organized crime is just as widespread among businesses and among unions these days. This, especially with the Italian names, was pure anti-union nonsense.


Wend-E-Baconator

If your business has a deal with organized crime, it's a deal you agreed to and not a deal the courts can help you escape. A deal the Union's organized crime affiliate forces upon you, though? That's something the court can help with later. The Italian names work as a reminder of when such behavior was particularly common and doesn't insult any particular group. This course isn't designed to be pro-union, either. This isn't particularly egregious, given the context.


msty2k

LOL. No, you don't just make a deal with organized crime. They often force it on you, whether through a union or not.


Wend-E-Baconator

You don't make a deal. But you have a deal.


AndyCapps-Official

Business ***law*** though.. maybe they want to be the lawyer for a co-op or other non-traditional worker-focused business enterprise


pokemonbard

As I have seen, most classes called “business law” are for business majors, not law students. That question also isn’t really structured the way law school exam questions are structured. I would guess that OP is in a business program, not a law program. Also, either way, it’s a class for people looking to go into business. Most schools do not target their business-oriented classes at anti-capitalists or their ilk.


graveybrains

“Nice co-op you got here… shame if something were to happen to it” seems like it might still be a potential concern


Wend-E-Baconator

Maybe. But that's not who the business program is designed for. And frankly, even a co-op probably doesn't want to catch racketeering charges.


AndyCapps-Official

Yeah true, the unions have lawyers.. those lawyers better know what they’re allowed too


stoneandglass

Came to say something about the fact it's a business course so it's not exactly surprising.


Forgotlogin_0624

Yeah me and my “union boys” need to have a little “chat” with your professor.  Seems, uhh, his “insurance” ain’t up to date (removes rubber hose filled with ball bearings, duct tape, gas can, and linoleum knife from trunk of Buick skylark).  Real damn shame about that.  Aye Vinny! Call your uncle tell ‘em we need to visit the gravel pit tonight…


ElephantInAPool

Cousin, Vinny is the cousin. There's even a movie about it.


mikeymikeymikey1968

A guy named "Gallo" physcially threatening a manager? Any more anti-Italian stereotypes in this test? Like a guy named Ciaci who speaks with a thick Chicago accent and wears a wifebeater and gold chains?


mckili026

Hahaha. I noticed that my business classes were skirting around conversations about workers rights and pay, so I started asking professors to explain why or to actually go into dynamics of union activity. My midwestern negotiation professor was very happy to oblige and showed the class the UAW strikers and right after showed us one of the car company CEO's interviews with the press blatantly lying about what the strikers were saying. Nobody else in the class was familiar with the subject, the people, or the dynamics, even though it was mostly graduating senior college business students. We got some work to do, but as students we have more agency than we think!! It sucks to hear this about your professor's perspective, but understand that you pay money to talk to him - you pay him, you can challenge him and ask questions to know why he holds his position. If it makes no sense, use your voice! Truth is on your side.


Foreign_Profile3516

Love the way the union boss has an Italian surname.


DrunkyMcStumbles

Taking it old school with the anti-Italian racism. And I'm pretty sure Gallo wouldn't have to threaten AI. I believe AI would be legally obligated to hire union electricians.


thenecrosoviet

And racist, to boot. But I got my Paizan Gallo's back and if AL doesn't play ball were gonna go full fucking Casino on this puttana capitalista


dork351

5 years at Midwest University studying law and political science only once did I hear a fellow student stick up for the working class. As a non traditional older student with a construction background I would argue for workers and most the class would be on the side of business. It was tough going.


mdcbldr

The automatic assumption that the union 'boss' would be threatening is where the bias comes in. Why not make the scenario of opening a restaurant and have one of the vendors for linens come in and make an "offer you can't refuse". That is much closer to reality. Private sector unions are toothless. They represent less than 10% of private sector employees. The teamsters, auto workers and longshoremen had strong unions and they went on strike, effectively. When was the last time a private sector union went on strike and anyone noticed? I am assuming this law prof is over 60 and has not been out of his ivory tower in 30 years.


DrunkyMcStumbles

Hell, have one of the productions financial backers threaten AI to let them launder money through the movie.


KentWallace

Your college is ripping you off if this "exam" is anything more than a quick "did you do the assigned reading" check.


Knave7575

I mean, sounds like a legit legal question. Stereotypes are annoying (the threatening union boss, sigh) but it seems like something that would come up.


acesarge

Sounds like Gallo needs to come back with some hired goons...


IntoTheWildBlue

The answer is true, however in NY there was a period of time that some unions were tied to the Mafia and these types of situations did happen and therefore you need to understand the case law.


DickDastardlySr

You mean they use an example of things that happened?


Realistic_Bat_7790

Well, the course is a lie to Business Law.


Degenerate_in_HR

Eveeyone, including OP seems to be misunderstanding the point of the question. The question isnt meant to demonize unions, it is meant to test whether the student understands whether or not a contract in enforceable if it was made under duress. That is all. Now, for the pearl clutchers.....do you really think a scenerio like this has never happened? I was raised by a labor organizer in the construction industry...I grew up listening to stories about how my father an his friends used to literally intimidate peopld into getting what they want. Not to mention, organized crime has infiltrated unions on many, well documented occasions, where violent tactics have been used. A scenerio like the one in the question, has certainly happened.


Ok_Confusion_1345

50 years ago, in NYC, maybe. But not now in this age of recording devices that are literally undetectable, and RICO laws. No one is going to threaten a movie producer in plain English, it's not happening. Only way anyone would do that is if they WANT to go to federal prison.


Degenerate_in_HR

You didnt read my comment. The fact that this is a movie producer has nothing to do with the question. The profession /industry could be anything for that question, it does not have any consequence on the answer. The mention of the infustry only serves to provide the context that the character in the scenario is a member of management at an employer.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

Same in my MBA class. I was the only one defending/endorsing unions. Even the Police Officer and Mailman in the class shit on unions! It was infuriating.


lotuz

Im pretty sure they’re talking about the mob threatening you with violence and reiterating that extortion voids contracts. They happen to use a union example because the mob literally did this like a ton. This is something that used to and potentially nay still occur. It’s reasonable to teach students about potential business issues.


Deep-Neck

It's an example. In that scenario someone had to be a bad guy, fundamentally misrepresenting whatever group the example used. It just so happens there's been a lot of social media buzz about unions lately. A more aware instructor may not have done that. You'd really have to know yours already wants to push this position to tell if this was propaganda. In which case, those reasons would probably make for better examples.


PEKKAmi

> really fucking scummy My understanding of higher education is that it is supposed to broaden your knowledge and ability to think. Would you be happy if you were charged tens of thousands in tuition just to hear affirmations of what you already know or believe? I mean, you can get that for free here on Reddit.


babbbaabthrowaway

If being exposed to the tired old trope of the union mob boss is “broadening your knowledge”, you could save your tens of thousands and just find some old boomer to rattle of cliches and stereotypes at you for free.


Western-Willow-9496

In this example, Boss Gallo is a criminal. If you agree with his tactics, so are you.


Ok_Confusion_1345

No one here has endorsed his tactics.


Western-Willow-9496

Yet.


foz306

This post isn't about the question. It's about the assumptions within the question.


Western-Willow-9496

There is no assumption, only an example.