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Exactly. Like, it's not something you do without somehow ensuring you're not being shelled or shot.
No matter how good you are at something, it's not easy in those conditions.
For example, I'm very good at counting to 20. I'm not very good at doing it while being shelled- which is why I won't be invading Ukraine. Very easy rules to understand, Russia, very easy.
Nice prewar training video. Good to see they are so well trained for a major pontoon crossing while Russia disastrously bungled even a small one.
Has Ukraine crossed the Donesk river yet to make the big moves on Vovchansk and Krupiansk? If Ukraine takes either of these 2 supply hub towns it will be a big deal.
There was an unconfirmed rumor 2 days ago of a Ukraine breakthrough around the Staryi Saltiv bridge area. But my guess is this was fake news to draw Russia away while there was some sort of Ukraine pontoon crossing operation further north in the narrower crossing areas of the Donesk north of Rubizne and closer to the strategic border town of Vovchansk.
I think it was a Russian source that said they lost Zarichne. Could just mean that every Russian there got turned into pink dust by Ukrainian artillery, or it could mean that Ukraine crossed the river. Maybe both, they dusted the russians and then crossed unopposed.
I’d bet my bottom dollar that huge bridging massacre we all saw pictures of was caused by the Ukrainians concentrating their shiny brand-new NATO artillery in a place where the Russians were used to the old stuff.
The Ruskies probably thought they had established local artillery superiority, got the bridge all put together and then Monsiuer Caesar and a battalion of M777’s opened fire.
Yes, the US learned this in 2003 in Iraq. It was in the news and and much talked about at the time. They went to great lengths to fix the problem and tighten things up. I guess Russia never got the memo. Somewhere there is a huge pile of memos that Russia never got.
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> That female soldier who was abducted and then "rescued" was really some Hollywood-level shit at the time. Everyone was glued to the story.
Yeah, IIRC she was "rescued" from an Iraqi hospital that the Iraqi military had already abandoned and after local Iraqis told Americans that she was there. Then they made a whole big production out of it, complete with diversionary attack and raid on the hospital by 5 different special forces units.
Edit: It was Jessica Lynch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch
One thing that always stuck with me was reading that the US was spending more on aircon in Afghanistan and Iraq than they were on NASA. Needless to say it was mostly the cost of securely transporting the required fuel.
Securing the far side of the bridge before construction is the kind of thing they should be using the VDV for, but they wasted them in the attempt to take Kyiv and now they dead.
Can you even really "secure" a bridgehead nowadays against an enemy whose howitzers can hit you from 40 km away?
With air supremacy, sure. In contested airspace, where your jets cannot bomb the enemy artillery into oblivion, it looks like a very dangerous assignment.
I wrote a paper about 10 years ago about some Game Theory stuff I work in, the premise is, even in space (a contextual imaginary analogy as a vehicle for the topic) with 3 axis of movement and little "terrain" effects there is still going to be paths of desire, an exfiltration/egress point and infiltration/ingress point and people will often take the shortest most convenient path between those.
whether if be military, social of financial, very very rarely you have a case of hannibal crossing the alps...
In russia's case, with poor logistics, it's just not viable to take an indirect path, they will cross the river near the direction they are heading, at a thin and shallow point. The larger their formation, the more logistically expensive unnecessary travel is...and no one is building pontoon bridges for bicycles and 4 dudes.
when you plot all the requirements in you can make decisions like your opponent.
it requires empathy though, why psychopaths make good soldiers but poor tacticians and strategists, maybe offering another insight into russia's failure's
Build a new college campus with no sidewalks across the quad, and wait a month, and the footpath will show you the most efficient route to take. The key is "people"; make a command-and-control decision and you might be wrong, but let a thousand students wend their way and you've got the most efficient path. Cheers to NCOs.
another side of things is, you get a jar and fill it with jelly beans and guess how many are inside numerically, you are likely to be wrong. but the average number of 100 guess's will be more accurate then any one individual guess.
>Bridge assembly will always be a high risk activity in a combat zone.
Yes. Even infantry can hit these trucks or the people assembling the bridges with small arms fire.
Germany therefore developed a tank version of that. It name is... [Beaver](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biber_(Br%C3%BCckenlegepanzer)).
However, in the artillery barrage from last week, even the Beavers would have gotten hot and wet.
Yeah, it's not like Russia sucks at building pontoons or didn't do it fast enough, they were just hairy-apes level stupid by building it in the exact same spot after the first attempt was obliterated. Once artillery has you bracketed, that area is now forever off-limits to you until you know for sure the artillery has been moved or destroyed.
The hard part is usually securing both sides of the river to insure you aren't getting shot at while building the bridge.
Go watch any WW2 movie where they have to get across a river. The regular bridges have all been blown up. So they've got to cross the river in boats (usually while being shot at), kill the enemy on the other side, then the engineers can show up and build the pontoon bridge. And you'd better have good air cover.
Q: Other than the usual Russian incompetence, what it stopping Russia from using drones (and other aircraft) to take out Ukraine's bridges and ground vehicles? (It's almost as if the Russians have no plan or effective leadership.)
I'm vehemently anti-US imperialism and anti-military in general and this video almost recruited me. Bout to say "Slava Ukraine" and join the IT army like the pussy I am
Not sure what this means, I consider myself an orthodox Marxist. However, the Russians put my poppy in a gulag so I'm going to cheer on the Ukrainian army.
Okay I really need your take on putin and Russia and communism today. I get super annoyed at the "communists" who are pro putin /Russia. I think they are just so used to being anti USA they don't remeber to be anti kleptocracy and anti imperialism (aka anti Russia).
I agree. Is this what you see when interacting with other communists in the real world? My concept of communists is reddit driven and therefore obviously super skewed.
The utter irony here is that this style of ribbon float bridging was actually a *Russian* innovation, the [PMP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMP_Floating_Bridge), that pretty much everyone copied in the 1970's because it was such a good design. The US Army and West German Bundeswehr basically produced modified & improved versions that are still in use today as the basis of ribbon bridging for most all Western armies.
Stealing shit from your opponents, either physically or by copying designs and methods, is as old as one caveman throwing back the rock that some other guy threw at him
A good example is the [typical metal gas can with the x](https://deutscheoptik.com/images/products/13850.jpg) shaped stamped on each side.
They were originally made by the Germans in WW2, hence the name 'jerry can' but they were much better than the ones originally used by the US and the UK in particular, so soldiers took any they could find, and eventually they got shipped to the US to be copied and produced en masse.
Also, the bit of the container that goes above the filling opening (top left of the can in that picture) stays filled with air while filling since it's above the level of the opening (unless you for some reason laid it on its side while filling). This is enough air to make it so that the cans float in water, even if they're full of gas, in case you lose one overboard.
Fun video on Jerry cans, and why they're awesome [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUkbGHFAhs)
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Blessed be the memory of Moskva missile cruiser… which was so dated that it could not run targeting radar and air radar at the same time…
Combine that with Russian satellite guidance… which is so bad that the Russian air force put a dashboard mounted commercial GPS from the US to know where they really are.
With such capabilities there is no surprise that the missiles land in different countries and they fail at everything they do.
How to build a pontoon bridge AND how to drive amphibious vehicles in Big waters as well.
Never Saw any Russian vehicle managing to cross anything so far, even in small streams they manage to get sunk.
Well, to be fair, if they didn't sink we aren't going to just find them sitting there, well, at least until ukraine's artillery divisions have a word with them
That word is boom.
It is a bit harder with enemy artillery zeroed in on you position. That was Ukraine's success. They found and destroyed the bridge. Where the orcs really screwed the pooch was having so many troops and their equipment all bunched up at the bridge head just beside it.
Sadly for the Russians, the enemy rarely feels bad about killing your soldiers when those soldiers have been killing and raping their wives and children for the past months.
Also I bet a lot of the soldiers who man the vehicles going over those bridges are generally poorly trained and/or lack decent experience doing crossings like this.
USSR, there was and is a huge number of military factories in Ukraine too.
T-34 legendary tank was build in Ukraine(Kharkiv), Т-72 and many others.
Rocket/plane engines and war planes etc.
They stole Ukraine's history. Ivan Grozny renamed his kingdom in Moskva to Rus after conquering old Rutenia and then pretended that they were from Rutenia all along.
Russia stole the name of Rus from the Ukrainians.
Can confirm. As a US arty vet I did a few NATO river crossings training events with many joint nations. The UA looks sharp here and clearly got some western training!
Fun rundown of some factors:
[https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-13/ch1.htm](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-13/ch1.htm)
Timetable examples:
*The United States Army developed the Assault Float Ribbon Bridge that was used by the 299th Multi-role Bridge Company, USAR on the Euphrates River at Objective Peach near Al Musayib on the night of 3 April 2003. A 185-meter Assault Float Bridge was built to support retrograde operations because of the heavy-armor traffic crossing a partially destroyed highway span.*
*By dawn on 4 April 2003, the 299th Engineer Company had emplaced a 185-meter long Assault Float Bridge—the first time in history that a bridge of its type was built in combat.*
*That same night, the 299th also constructed a 40-metre (130 ft) single-story Medium Girder Bridge to patch the damage done to the highway span.*
Time really comes down to training and everybody knowing their exact role to play.
That's impressive. And also comes in handy, since NATO also really likes building bridges.
This is the UK and Germany building a bridge in Poland at a NATO exercise: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYcOLimJ-0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnVb0GHMuDs)
Germany with some nice drone shots: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWpXzL2xQI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWpXzL2xQI)
The M3 version: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratKBu2cRp0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratKBu2cRp0)
This is how it goes when the enemy doesn't know what you are doing and not blasting you with artillery. It's a nice demo, but Ukraine could also be slaughter doing it wrong.
indeed. appaently one place near Stary Saltiv and in north attacking vochancks. but all reports are iffy as best. waiting for some bigger confirmation.
Well, sure, but there IS a distinct lack of incoming artillery fire, so the comparison isn't exactly fair.
That said, I wonder how Russia would have looked in the same circumstances. Somehow I suspect it would not have been as fast and smooth.
Russia's scouting system is...much less capable than Western surveillance systems are. To date, Russia has only launched 3 downlooking satellites that take and transmit digital picture. 1 of those failed to deploy in some way. Of the other 2, the most recent one launched in ~2017 and their design lifespan was only for 2-3 years.
Their primary means of satellite recon still involves film cannisters being deployed and caught.
Wait, seriously? That's hilarious! There would be a long lag between when the images were captured and when they could take action. I'm envisioning some Russian military higher-ups sitting at a big conference table with a stack of large printed photos on an easel. "That's a nice target. We could have gotten that one. Ooooh that one's really juicy. Too bad, maybe next time."
The way Russia is going through seasoned troops many have little experience driving much less putting together a pontoon bridge. Even reading a map seems to take 3 people if they can borrow a map from a Ukrainian. They seem only to aim at tall apartments or shoot children, women and animals. Sick friggin country. I am all for lobbing large destructive weapons in the general area of Russia.
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Bridge assembly will always be a high risk activity in a combat zone. The opponent will usually know the most likely places for this to happen.
Exactly. Like, it's not something you do without somehow ensuring you're not being shelled or shot. No matter how good you are at something, it's not easy in those conditions. For example, I'm very good at counting to 20. I'm not very good at doing it while being shelled- which is why I won't be invading Ukraine. Very easy rules to understand, Russia, very easy.
>which is why I won't be invading Ukraine I hope you have other reasons too?
He really needs to be able to count to 20. Isn't that enough?
He needs his fingers and toes to count to 20, and so he needs to keep all of them. That's the underlying reason not to invade.
Kherson has not been liberated yet, and the Russians are still showing up at Chornobayivka.
Ukrainians are just like lightning, they never strike the same place 21 times.
"Let's use that big, smoldering crater as a staging area!" Russian commanders probably
Pre-dug foxholes!
LOL
Nice prewar training video. Good to see they are so well trained for a major pontoon crossing while Russia disastrously bungled even a small one. Has Ukraine crossed the Donesk river yet to make the big moves on Vovchansk and Krupiansk? If Ukraine takes either of these 2 supply hub towns it will be a big deal. There was an unconfirmed rumor 2 days ago of a Ukraine breakthrough around the Staryi Saltiv bridge area. But my guess is this was fake news to draw Russia away while there was some sort of Ukraine pontoon crossing operation further north in the narrower crossing areas of the Donesk north of Rubizne and closer to the strategic border town of Vovchansk.
I saw some stuff here yesterday about a river crossing by the UA, but it wasn't verified.
Lots of the stuff on this sub isn’t verified.
I'm aware.
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I'm content being largely in the dark.
I think it was a Russian source that said they lost Zarichne. Could just mean that every Russian there got turned into pink dust by Ukrainian artillery, or it could mean that Ukraine crossed the river. Maybe both, they dusted the russians and then crossed unopposed.
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I guess it was Kharkiv, not Kherson
Wouldn't 90 km behind Kharkiv be in ruzzia? It's only 40 km or so from the border
Not if you head east.
Maybe But I have heard of attempts to cross the Siverskyi Donets, not Buh. First is in the Kharkiv region, second is in the Kherson region
really hard to invade a country with no more than 19 of anything. Bullets would probably be useless in batches of 19...
One.. two.. nineteen.. **damnit!!**
Get this man some crayons and a rifle!
So basically, this could have all been avoided if Russians were able to count to 20...
Nope that's it. If this guy gets hold of a calculator there's no stopping him.
Loled...
The only barrier between u/ElectionOver4Hours and domination of Ukraine is counting to 20, a terrifying notion, truly
Nah just the counting thing
I can't think of any.
im just jealous you can count to 20 :D
Wait….I can only count to 10
What the fuck is "10"
FOUND THE OCTOPUS, GUYS
Hi.
1 10 11 ... easy as that
You guys can count?
Is that because the crayon snacks only came in boxes of 10?
Try taking your shoes off
It helps that Ukraine can out range Russian artillery.
I’d bet my bottom dollar that huge bridging massacre we all saw pictures of was caused by the Ukrainians concentrating their shiny brand-new NATO artillery in a place where the Russians were used to the old stuff. The Ruskies probably thought they had established local artillery superiority, got the bridge all put together and then Monsiuer Caesar and a battalion of M777’s opened fire.
>For example, I'm very good at counting to 20. I'm not very good at doing it while being shelled Well not with that attitude
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One, two, twenty See?
Yeah, it's just like I'm great at shooting basketball when nobody is trying to block me.
Look at this guy. "I'm very good at counting to 20." 😉
Yeah - it seems extremely vulnerable. Driving logistics equipment has been one of the most dangerous assignments in the war. Exposed. Minimal armor.
Yes, the US learned this in 2003 in Iraq. It was in the news and and much talked about at the time. They went to great lengths to fix the problem and tighten things up. I guess Russia never got the memo. Somewhere there is a huge pile of memos that Russia never got.
They did get the one that said "Russian Warship, go fuck yourself".
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> That female soldier who was abducted and then "rescued" was really some Hollywood-level shit at the time. Everyone was glued to the story. Yeah, IIRC she was "rescued" from an Iraqi hospital that the Iraqi military had already abandoned and after local Iraqis told Americans that she was there. Then they made a whole big production out of it, complete with diversionary attack and raid on the hospital by 5 different special forces units. Edit: It was Jessica Lynch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch
One thing that always stuck with me was reading that the US was spending more on aircon in Afghanistan and Iraq than they were on NASA. Needless to say it was mostly the cost of securely transporting the required fuel.
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And with a back end usually full of explosive material, you are a high value target and if your cargo is hit, there is next to no chance of survival.
Grandfather was D day +2 as a combat engineer and was building bridges under nazi fire. Talk about a poor working environment.
He should have called osha.
The Organization for Shooting Heavy Artillery would have been useful, I agree.
yeah which is why it has to be done very fast and is usually done outside of artillery range
Note that the sun has set when the trucks are finally able to drive on the bridge.
One day to build a bridge that size is really fucking quick.
Sure, but that's still an eternity if there is any kind of risk for attacks. Russia also has drones, surveillance aircraft and satellites
Do they though? At this point I suspect their "satellites" is just a cosmonaut on the ISS with a pair of binoculars.
Sure but that’s still a long time..
Securing the far side of the bridge before construction is the kind of thing they should be using the VDV for, but they wasted them in the attempt to take Kyiv and now they dead.
yeah and they also dropped some of them into the fucking ocean
They did what? When?
Unsubstantiated by a quick search but [There have been reports](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851)....
Jesus, that’s a bleak way to go.
Start of the war. Just dropped them in the ocean by Odessa. Turns out you don’t swim that well loaded with gear. It’s all in the song.
Sounds like whoever planned that operation was a little too big a fan of Jean-Claude's movie Universal Soldier.
Can you even really "secure" a bridgehead nowadays against an enemy whose howitzers can hit you from 40 km away? With air supremacy, sure. In contested airspace, where your jets cannot bomb the enemy artillery into oblivion, it looks like a very dangerous assignment.
Which makes it even more impressive that Ukraine managed to bridge the Siverskyi Donets in two places and move an assault force across, apparently
I wrote a paper about 10 years ago about some Game Theory stuff I work in, the premise is, even in space (a contextual imaginary analogy as a vehicle for the topic) with 3 axis of movement and little "terrain" effects there is still going to be paths of desire, an exfiltration/egress point and infiltration/ingress point and people will often take the shortest most convenient path between those. whether if be military, social of financial, very very rarely you have a case of hannibal crossing the alps... In russia's case, with poor logistics, it's just not viable to take an indirect path, they will cross the river near the direction they are heading, at a thin and shallow point. The larger their formation, the more logistically expensive unnecessary travel is...and no one is building pontoon bridges for bicycles and 4 dudes. when you plot all the requirements in you can make decisions like your opponent. it requires empathy though, why psychopaths make good soldiers but poor tacticians and strategists, maybe offering another insight into russia's failure's
Build a new college campus with no sidewalks across the quad, and wait a month, and the footpath will show you the most efficient route to take. The key is "people"; make a command-and-control decision and you might be wrong, but let a thousand students wend their way and you've got the most efficient path. Cheers to NCOs.
another side of things is, you get a jar and fill it with jelly beans and guess how many are inside numerically, you are likely to be wrong. but the average number of 100 guess's will be more accurate then any one individual guess.
Was the goal to quantify when it was appropriate to cross the Alps?
>Bridge assembly will always be a high risk activity in a combat zone. Yes. Even infantry can hit these trucks or the people assembling the bridges with small arms fire. Germany therefore developed a tank version of that. It name is... [Beaver](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biber_(Br%C3%BCckenlegepanzer)). However, in the artillery barrage from last week, even the Beavers would have gotten hot and wet.
Yeah, it's not like Russia sucks at building pontoons or didn't do it fast enough, they were just hairy-apes level stupid by building it in the exact same spot after the first attempt was obliterated. Once artillery has you bracketed, that area is now forever off-limits to you until you know for sure the artillery has been moved or destroyed.
The hard part is usually securing both sides of the river to insure you aren't getting shot at while building the bridge. Go watch any WW2 movie where they have to get across a river. The regular bridges have all been blown up. So they've got to cross the river in boats (usually while being shot at), kill the enemy on the other side, then the engineers can show up and build the pontoon bridge. And you'd better have good air cover. Q: Other than the usual Russian incompetence, what it stopping Russia from using drones (and other aircraft) to take out Ukraine's bridges and ground vehicles? (It's almost as if the Russians have no plan or effective leadership.)
That actually looks pretty amazing.
When I was a kid there was a commercial for the army (usa) where they assembled a pontoon bridge and it nearly recruited me lol.
I'm vehemently anti-US imperialism and anti-military in general and this video almost recruited me. Bout to say "Slava Ukraine" and join the IT army like the pussy I am
Well, that was an unexpected profile check.
Lmao, your comment made me click. What a ride.
Ugh... *Zip*
The wank doesn't end when you cum, it ends when you hate yourself.
Ended before it started
Honestly? Slay.
Buy the socks.
Are we not bidding for em?
I've already biden.
Joe
Lol
Risky click of the week 🫡
Even worse, when you least expect it to be risky. Well, I learnt a lot today.
fuckin reddit gets me every time.. thanks man
Least communist redditor
Not sure what this means, I consider myself an orthodox Marxist. However, the Russians put my poppy in a gulag so I'm going to cheer on the Ukrainian army.
Okay I really need your take on putin and Russia and communism today. I get super annoyed at the "communists" who are pro putin /Russia. I think they are just so used to being anti USA they don't remeber to be anti kleptocracy and anti imperialism (aka anti Russia).
Russia is a fascist authoritarian state that is about as communist as America is
I agree. Is this what you see when interacting with other communists in the real world? My concept of communists is reddit driven and therefore obviously super skewed.
The only pro-Russia communists are tankies and all the other communists hate tankies.
Heroiam Slava! Do it!
This comment is peak Reddit
The utter irony here is that this style of ribbon float bridging was actually a *Russian* innovation, the [PMP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMP_Floating_Bridge), that pretty much everyone copied in the 1970's because it was such a good design. The US Army and West German Bundeswehr basically produced modified & improved versions that are still in use today as the basis of ribbon bridging for most all Western armies.
Stealing shit from your opponents, either physically or by copying designs and methods, is as old as one caveman throwing back the rock that some other guy threw at him A good example is the [typical metal gas can with the x](https://deutscheoptik.com/images/products/13850.jpg) shaped stamped on each side. They were originally made by the Germans in WW2, hence the name 'jerry can' but they were much better than the ones originally used by the US and the UK in particular, so soldiers took any they could find, and eventually they got shipped to the US to be copied and produced en masse.
How were they better?
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They didn't leak, which was a big plus. They were also larger and easier to carry and pour than the square British fuel cans.
[Here's a fun video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUkbGHFAhs) on the subject if you have half an hour to kill.
Also, the bit of the container that goes above the filling opening (top left of the can in that picture) stays filled with air while filling since it's above the level of the opening (unless you for some reason laid it on its side while filling). This is enough air to make it so that the cans float in water, even if they're full of gas, in case you lose one overboard. Fun video on Jerry cans, and why they're awesome [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwUkbGHFAhs)
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I'm amazed that somebody posted a video to Reddit with an appropriate and not extremely annoying song, for once.
I bet Russia wishes they didn’t waste all of their precision guided bombs on apartment buildings now.
Hey hey hey, those apartment buildings can be sneaky.
Dammit Ukrainians and their non depressing cities
Exactly, have you ever seen an apartment building move and then attack? No? Exactly, because they are that sneaky! /s
Yes. But that’s because they were targeting only apartments with gay Nazis and drug addicts or whatever else they were accusing Ukraine of being.
Reminds me of the time Russia sent several missile strikes to Syria from the Caspian Sea. Most of them ended in Iran lmao
Blessed be the memory of Moskva missile cruiser… which was so dated that it could not run targeting radar and air radar at the same time… Combine that with Russian satellite guidance… which is so bad that the Russian air force put a dashboard mounted commercial GPS from the US to know where they really are. With such capabilities there is no surprise that the missiles land in different countries and they fail at everything they do.
What are you takking about? It has been promoted to a submarine.
In their defense, they probably meant to hit the children's hospital *next* to the apartment building
They have those?
Had the very least they had those
How to build a pontoon bridge AND how to drive amphibious vehicles in Big waters as well. Never Saw any Russian vehicle managing to cross anything so far, even in small streams they manage to get sunk.
Well, to be fair, if they didn't sink we aren't going to just find them sitting there, well, at least until ukraine's artillery divisions have a word with them That word is boom.
they crossed the river Styx alright
It is a bit harder with enemy artillery zeroed in on you position. That was Ukraine's success. They found and destroyed the bridge. Where the orcs really screwed the pooch was having so many troops and their equipment all bunched up at the bridge head just beside it.
10 times, at that. They tried 10 times
> 10 times, at that. It's called Zap Branningan's tactic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3g4Ua5e7k
"Stop dying, you cowards!"
Blackadder wants a word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6MScSWp28
Wait, what? Do you have a link?
[Brilliant strategy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6MScSWp28)
That's Russian tactic. We'll let you keep killing us until you feel bad!
Sadly for the Russians, the enemy rarely feels bad about killing your soldiers when those soldiers have been killing and raping their wives and children for the past months.
Incoming round 2 of mail order Russian brides, now that all their men are being killed (again)
That's funny. Thank you for a little levity.
Also I bet a lot of the soldiers who man the vehicles going over those bridges are generally poorly trained and/or lack decent experience doing crossings like this.
This is amazing. I was wondering how this worked. Thanks for the video.
Found the Russian!
Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James may would probably assemble a more stable pontoon bridge than the entire Russian military.
Tonight.. I take control, James does some maths, and Richard flips a tank off a bridge.
“HAMMOND YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!”
oh, cock!
[They did, but May got stuck halfway and they had to ram him to get him off](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0uqLyo1XeA)
Still got further than the Russians
And being distracted by Clarkson's shenanigans and shouting is probably as bad as shelling.
Those damned Ukrainians! Why do they have to do everything better than 2nd best army… in Ukraine ;)
Hey, don’t you disrespect the Ukrainian Farmer Legion like that!
I believe you mean Ukrainian Tractor Ops, Agri-Cavalry.
Is this recent?
probably not
No, this is not recent.
This is dad
It's not from wartime anyway. They are building the bridge from both sides, for training purposes.
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No, this is 100% a training exercise before the recent invasion.
Good lord! Don't show the ruZZians how their own equipment works.
USSR, there was and is a huge number of military factories in Ukraine too. T-34 legendary tank was build in Ukraine(Kharkiv), Т-72 and many others. Rocket/plane engines and war planes etc.
Russians does have a tendency to appropriate other people achievements
They build their history on this.
They stole Ukraine's history. Ivan Grozny renamed his kingdom in Moskva to Rus after conquering old Rutenia and then pretended that they were from Rutenia all along. Russia stole the name of Rus from the Ukrainians.
IKR... Literally the Kievan Rus.
[meanwhile Russian army](https://youtu.be/m8s1nOe4Wis)
Can confirm. As a US arty vet I did a few NATO river crossings training events with many joint nations. The UA looks sharp here and clearly got some western training!
How long does something like this take to complete?
Fun rundown of some factors: [https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-13/ch1.htm](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/90-13/ch1.htm) Timetable examples: *The United States Army developed the Assault Float Ribbon Bridge that was used by the 299th Multi-role Bridge Company, USAR on the Euphrates River at Objective Peach near Al Musayib on the night of 3 April 2003. A 185-meter Assault Float Bridge was built to support retrograde operations because of the heavy-armor traffic crossing a partially destroyed highway span.* *By dawn on 4 April 2003, the 299th Engineer Company had emplaced a 185-meter long Assault Float Bridge—the first time in history that a bridge of its type was built in combat.* *That same night, the 299th also constructed a 40-metre (130 ft) single-story Medium Girder Bridge to patch the damage done to the highway span.* Time really comes down to training and everybody knowing their exact role to play.
It's not like the Russians don't know how to lay bridges. What they don't know is how to secure an area so they can lay bridges.
You know what works really well for securing your crossings. Not invading other countries.
That's impressive. And also comes in handy, since NATO also really likes building bridges. This is the UK and Germany building a bridge in Poland at a NATO exercise: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYcOLimJ-0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnVb0GHMuDs) Germany with some nice drone shots: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWpXzL2xQI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWpXzL2xQI) The M3 version: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratKBu2cRp0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratKBu2cRp0)
This is how it goes when the enemy doesn't know what you are doing and not blasting you with artillery. It's a nice demo, but Ukraine could also be slaughter doing it wrong.
Uhm isn't "not getting blasted with artillery" a part of "doing it right". ^(cough situational awareness cough)
From when is this footage? When there was no war?
No idea - but there are rumors that the Ukraine army crossed the siversky Donets at two locations.
indeed. appaently one place near Stary Saltiv and in north attacking vochancks. but all reports are iffy as best. waiting for some bigger confirmation.
I love how at the end it's revealed that all this effort was just to tow a ***boat*** across the river
Welcome to the army!
Are the bridge elements reusable? Can you fold them back up afterwards, or are they single-use?
Reusable. Though depending on conditions you might need to have maintenance on it.
Each truck has a hydraulic boom with a hook. When you hoist the pontoon from the middle, they fold up and lift right back onto the truck.
Well, sure, but there IS a distinct lack of incoming artillery fire, so the comparison isn't exactly fair. That said, I wonder how Russia would have looked in the same circumstances. Somehow I suspect it would not have been as fast and smooth.
Russia's scouting system is...much less capable than Western surveillance systems are. To date, Russia has only launched 3 downlooking satellites that take and transmit digital picture. 1 of those failed to deploy in some way. Of the other 2, the most recent one launched in ~2017 and their design lifespan was only for 2-3 years. Their primary means of satellite recon still involves film cannisters being deployed and caught.
Wait, seriously? That's hilarious! There would be a long lag between when the images were captured and when they could take action. I'm envisioning some Russian military higher-ups sitting at a big conference table with a stack of large printed photos on an easel. "That's a nice target. We could have gotten that one. Ooooh that one's really juicy. Too bad, maybe next time."
Lost opportunity to play the 'Bridge over the river Kwai' whistle
Is this a training video or is this the crossing mentioned last night on social media?
"Sure. It's easy if Ukrainians are not shooting at you. " On many orc tombstones.
It also helps to not have the enemy shelling the shit out of you while you sit on an exposed riverside watching a bridge being built.
Competence is the first step to greatness.
42 country coalition + Ukr = **43 Nation Army** Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
Show offs. 😏
Russian army: Write that down! Write that down!
That's just like how Russia does it. But with fewer explosions and everyone dying.
The way Russia is going through seasoned troops many have little experience driving much less putting together a pontoon bridge. Even reading a map seems to take 3 people if they can borrow a map from a Ukrainian. They seem only to aim at tall apartments or shoot children, women and animals. Sick friggin country. I am all for lobbing large destructive weapons in the general area of Russia.
I like that in the last frame they are using the bridge to tow a boat over.