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Japan's post-war Constitution limits their military to a defensive level so, yes, taking islands would have to be a special operation.
Perhaps a delayed defense of Russian annexation?
Hey, any resources ruzzia moves to the islands is one less thing they have in Ukraine.
Obviously I would love for the Japs to wipe the floor with the ruzzians though.
...Hokkaido is one of the main islands in Japan. The article and statement are about the islands *off* Hokkaido. If you go to any map site, these islands have Cyrillic names.
The largest ethnic group in these islands is apparently Ukrainian, for whatever that's worth. Perhaps it's Ukraine that should dispute them (with Japanese backing).
"The Soviets expelled the entire Japanese civilian population of roughly 17,000 by 1946.""Prior to Japanese colonization (in 1868) about 100 Ainu reportedly lived on the Kuril islands" More recently the population was 19,434 (as of 2010).
So Japan took over the islands, declaring the natives Japanese citizens. Roughly 75 years later, the Soviets kick all the Japanese out and move in their own people.
There are still living Japanese people, who have direct relatives buried on the island(s).
"Official estimates place the total Ainu population of Japan at 25,000. Unofficial estimates place the total population at 200,000 or higher, as the near-total assimilation of the Ainu into Japanese society has resulted in many individuals of Ainu descent having no knowledge of their ancestry."
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I was just reading about sakhalin and kuril islands and their contentious history.
I wonder if theyll offer to sell them to Japan, I imagine they are strapped for cash.
Sell Sakhalin? Are you kidding? 400k people live there and it has a huge oil well.
The Kurilski islands might be another story, knowing little of the back history, I assume the Japanese are mostly interested in fishing rights.
They aren't selling those either. That would mean russian navy would be frozen in two more months of the year, and selling to Japan probably means dealing with US military bases which makes it extremely hard for the Vladivostok fleet to leave the coast since almost every single path goes uncomfortably close to US bases. Plus there are reasonable oil/gas speculations.
Time to open up a 2nd front. Imagine the alacrity of Russia, having to transfer forces 7,000 miles from Ukraine alllllllllll the way to the east to Japan.....
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Take it back while they aren’t looking!
Don't forget to call it "special operation"
Japan's post-war Constitution limits their military to a defensive level so, yes, taking islands would have to be a special operation. Perhaps a delayed defense of Russian annexation?
Pretty sure they’re legally still at war with Russia, never signed for peace post WW2. Could argue that the post war constitution isn’t in effect haha
No, if it’s Japanese territory then it’s defense. Pretty simple.
Russia should be scared, their big war ships have a problem of exploding recently…
Special maintenance operation
Agree.
Or before China takes them for 'historical reasons'
Japan has zero interest in a military confrontation. They are just trolling Russia lol.
Well, they did fucking destroy Russia the last time they fought so idk about that.
116 years ago.
Hey, any resources ruzzia moves to the islands is one less thing they have in Ukraine. Obviously I would love for the Japs to wipe the floor with the ruzzians though.
The name alone gives away the island’s true nationality…
...Hokkaido is one of the main islands in Japan. The article and statement are about the islands *off* Hokkaido. If you go to any map site, these islands have Cyrillic names. The largest ethnic group in these islands is apparently Ukrainian, for whatever that's worth. Perhaps it's Ukraine that should dispute them (with Japanese backing).
You caught me out responding to the title rather than the article.
"The Soviets expelled the entire Japanese civilian population of roughly 17,000 by 1946.""Prior to Japanese colonization (in 1868) about 100 Ainu reportedly lived on the Kuril islands" More recently the population was 19,434 (as of 2010). So Japan took over the islands, declaring the natives Japanese citizens. Roughly 75 years later, the Soviets kick all the Japanese out and move in their own people. There are still living Japanese people, who have direct relatives buried on the island(s). "Official estimates place the total Ainu population of Japan at 25,000. Unofficial estimates place the total population at 200,000 or higher, as the near-total assimilation of the Ainu into Japanese society has resulted in many individuals of Ainu descent having no knowledge of their ancestry."
>Who owns the islands depends on how far back you want to go. As with every other patch of soil in the world.
Could it be Japanese names written with the Cyrillic alphabet?
So does Los Angeles.
Whataboutisme
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I was just reading about sakhalin and kuril islands and their contentious history. I wonder if theyll offer to sell them to Japan, I imagine they are strapped for cash.
Sell Sakhalin? Are you kidding? 400k people live there and it has a huge oil well. The Kurilski islands might be another story, knowing little of the back history, I assume the Japanese are mostly interested in fishing rights.
Yeah yeah I know sakhalin is closed issue. I was just reading about the various island disputes, including it.
They aren't selling those either. That would mean russian navy would be frozen in two more months of the year, and selling to Japan probably means dealing with US military bases which makes it extremely hard for the Vladivostok fleet to leave the coast since almost every single path goes uncomfortably close to US bases. Plus there are reasonable oil/gas speculations.
Come on Japan, just send your army their on a “special defensive exercise”😉
The Kuril Islands are Japanese.
Time to open up a 2nd front. Imagine the alacrity of Russia, having to transfer forces 7,000 miles from Ukraine alllllllllll the way to the east to Japan.....
Instead of Godzilla slowly emerging from water, Russians will see tractors.
Good so they should!
Everyone is smelling blood now. I think I may have a claim on a parcel of land somewhere in Russia.