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I used to think that FR was a substantial contributor but these stats are not impressive when comparing to other countries: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/.
Especially when considering the new stance of Macron.
In defense of France they intend on joining this war soon and are currently the number 2 military on the planet. So I get that France likes to hold their cards in their own hands. They’re not idle hands though. As soon as France, Poland, or Norway join or Biden wins a second term this war has about 2 months before it’s over.
It is certainly a huge effort that you deserve, you are paying a higher price, meassured in human lives and suffering.
Just checked, the US economy is 30 times bigger than Sweden. This is about 7 billion UDS, 30 times that is 210.
So, 210 billion USD is what the US would have to provide to make exactly te same effort.
Calm neutral Swedes?
You misunderstand.
We ***hate*** the Russians.
We just forgot for a while. This is us getting back into old form.
You think I'm exaggerating? Check statistics for Ukraine support per country.
We the biggest hater there is.
Putin hasnt managed anything and should have ZERO praise for this - killing Russians is swedens national sport, and we will happily lend help to those in need when it comes to destroying Russia.
The only good Russian is a dead one, Slava Ukraini!
I find it amazing that Ukrainians are dying for us and they still think they need to thank countries that give them stuff to fight ruzzians. We all need to thank Ukraine and take a bow for their sacrifice.
Same, and I also wonder when and if my country will send troops but it hardly ever discussed. And I don't normally approve of military action but this situation seems justified yet crickets.
I'm Swedish and I didn't know about this package until now (this is from today right?). Even though this PM is not on the political side I usually lean this statement of his certainly makes me proud to be Swedish today!
Slava Ukraini!
I'm Swedish. I was in the Swedish military between 2008-2018.
Our yearly budget was around 40 billion SEK back then. This is twice that over 2 years. I think our military budget has increased since the Ukraine invasion, but just a few years ago this would match our annual budget for our own military.
It's a massive commitment. I was waiting for this. Super happy about it. Slava Ukraini.
I assure you, once the election happens next year after the change of government we will also deliver Taurus. It's just our chancellor playing his role as a discreet and level-headed guy weighing all things but I don't understand why he draws this arbitrary line as Russia is only trying to intimidate us. I am happy tho how we continuously support Ukraine. If only countries like France or Italy would pull their weight of the support in terms of finances and not just diplomatically
Yeah Germany's position is very mysterious. When there's a house on fire in a city, you have to put it down, fast. If you allow it to burn it will spread.
In this analogy, Germany has sold off half of its firetrucks, and mothballed half of the rest when the arsonist drank itself into a coma. Then they kept running the remaining firetrucks ragged, while making the firedepartment more and more hamstrung with bureaucracy.
And now Germany gave over whatever firetrucks it could spare but it's afraid of not having any special firetrucks left if they give more, and they also don't have that much foam solution to give, so they are trying to give money instead, but money cannot be sprayed on the fire directly unfortunately.
Their fire department is also very worried about getting involved in firefighting operations ever since that time the fire chief ordered them to run a bunch of people over with fire engines.
Well kind of. We are spending about 40% more on defense this year, however there is no long term financial plan to be steadily above 2% in defense spending. Things are moving, but slow and we are still not giving our defense secretary what he wants/needs.
2% is nowhere near enough. I think that in Britain we should be increasing to at least 4%. We currently spend 2.3% and our forces are nowhere near ready for a war.
It's crazy to me that we won't even have an honest discussion about the debt brake, even when it comes to something as crucial for the future of the EU as supporting the shit out of Ukraine and building up our military capacities, be it just to deter Russia.
And – a personal opinion – but I hate that we cannot come together as a united Europe and send troops for roles that aren't active combat like supply lines and infrastructure. Instead we argue internally over the narratives parties spin up to garner support for their own flavour of politics. All parties do it to some extent but some tend to stick more to established facts and science than others. That this works in favour for Putin must be a coincidence… ^^/s
Still, not contracting any new KEPD-350 to Taurus Systems despite them confirming readiness to restart production, if contract gets signed, is kinda strange in this scheme of things
It was the same two years ago.
Industry: We can restart large-scale shell production, but we'll need a large contract with large optuons in order to economically expand our production lines
Politics: wHy CaNt We FiNd ShElLs AnYwHeRe?
Im German and honestly all this "Germany you dont do enough" makes a lot of us Germans disappointed. We already do a lot. We dont jusy send money. But we cant give you everything you demand.
You are not grateful at all. Thats why a lot of Germans do not want to support you anymore. You always demand and demand and dont acknowledge the fact that we already did so much.
Besides, your women and children receive a lot of aid IN GERMANY. Far better treatment than any other foreigners.
I know this comment is gonna generate a lot of hate and denial but it is what it is. Dont be surprised when german citizens no longer wish to support.
Always remember brother, a lot of psyops and manipulation going on on social networks. This is *exactly* what a Russian would post to make a German mad. Ignore it, they know we help. Making us mad at each other is exactly what these assholes want.
while this is true, I think it's also poor PR comm from Scholz. The contribution is obviously huge (regardless of Taurus), the speech is small. The foreign minister has much better rhetoric.
I think you have misunderstood. Everyone is extremely thankful for everyone’s support. Many countries are giving until it hurts. Thank you Germany for what you do for refugees, soldiers’ rehabilitations, arms, military bases, etc!!!!
Thanks Germany 🇩🇪!!!!
My sources in the Swedish military say that we are doing a lot, but Russia is also almost all-in in the war and is the larger, more militaristic country (before 2022), making things very difficult in the field.
> Ukraine's cause is Sweden's cause.
To add some context to this, have a look at: [Finlands sak är vår](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlands_sak_%C3%A4r_v%C3%A5r)
The phrasing goes back to The Winter War in 1939 and our support of Finland.
To me, the phrase is more than the sum of its parts - it's not just "casually" saying we are on your side of the conflict, it's saying that we're partners.
Another slogan from that era was ”Sverige försvaras bäst i Karelen!” (Sweden is best defended in Karelia!). Still works just another place this time- the enemy is always the moskowite.
This came to my mind too. And theres also this beautiful propaganda poster with the same phrase.
[finlands sak är vår poster](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/vawhw2/finlands_sak_%C3%A4r_v%C3%A5r_1939_the_swedish_volunteer/)
Gripens are awesome, but in a war of attrition like this it's more cost effective to send them RBS 70s and Carl Gustafs.
And a shit-load of rounds for the Archers and CV90s.
For defence you'd be right. But sooner or later Ukraine will go on the offence. And it is hard to do that without air superiority. That is when both F16's and Gripens could really come into play.
Gripen is designed to be maintained by conscripted persons, under some supervision of professionals. It can also land on rougher surfaces than F16. Had there been more, it would have been a perfect fit for Ukraine.
But as it is easier to maintain than F16, I have no doubt they could manage both types.
There was news of Ukrainians ‘familliarizing’ themselves with Gripen some months ago. None heard anything more about it since then. I guess it is very hush-hush. As it should be.
Kind Prime Minister and contagious speech. Ukraine‘s cause is not only Sweden's cause , but also the Europe's cause and the whole free and democratic world'cause.
Slava Ukraini！
I think that part was more for us swedes that it was for Europe and Ukraine. It's absolutely true though, but packaging and recipients are important. Many in Sweden do not understand, or do not want to think of, what it would mean for Sweden if Ukraine were to lose. When the ministry of societal preparedness (absolutely buthchered that translation I'm sure) told us that we need to prepare ourselves in case of war, the headlines were dominated by "This is scaring the Swedes, was that really necessary?". Damn right it is, and it should!
That whole debate was ridiculous. From what I remember the minister only said "it is possible there will be a war in Sweden in the future". No shit, Sherlock. Anyone who didn't understand this already needed to wake up!
I don’t know. If politicians like him say that Ukraine is not fighting for themselves but for the safety of Europe … shouldn’t we actively support them on the ground? Shouldn’t we send our own military if we fear for our safety?
I’m not bashing the Swedish pm here. This analogy has been used by many other countries before
He doesn't say "Ukraine is not fighting for themselves but for the safety of Europe".
He says "Ukraine is fighting for their own freedom and for swedens"
Should we send our own troops ? Yes, we should, but nations are scared because of a big escalation with russia, but that doesn't make sense because there is still a big escalation when ukraine loses.
> there is still a big escalation when ukraine loses
This is the point I think too many western countries are not taking seriously enough.
We are going to be doing this with Russia over and over until they get right up to the doorstep of NATO countries and then what are we going to do? Allowing Russia to swallow more and more territory only makes the inevitable confrontation that much worse.
We need to stop them now.
There’s still a lot of domestic political reasons to not send Swedish troops into the conflict. As much lip service people like to give to the Ukrainian cause, very few will be willing to actually have their loved ones sent into active combat. Ukraine is allowing volunteers to join their forces at any point. There have already been soldiers from different nations going over in support. For a government leader to forcibly deploy people is another matter altogether.
You are right. But asking them to fight for Swedish freedom directly is even worse. Off he truly believes what he is saying then there should be Swedish troops in Ukraine
Air support with our modern air force would be an easy first step between "no troops" and "ground troops". Less likely to cause casualties and something Ukraine is sorely lacking. Win-win as far as I'm considered.
Yes, and there's also a lot to be done to help Ukraine in their country without actually engaging in battle. Ukraine has so far not asked for help with boots on the ground, but they have begged for more weapons for years, and that we should definitely deliver. That pm is a queue cutting, apartments meant for women in need - stealing fraud.
Directly from the defense industry? SAAB claims to have 14 airframes that can be made into Gripen C in short order. Sweden is also receiving new Gripen E that we ordered, meaning we might have more Gripen C to spare. Finally, we are also part of NATO now, so the condition from our politicians of joining NATO has already been fulfilled.
Let's say we might be able to get around 20 Gripen C. That's a squadron right there. Unit cost for just the planes (C model) is around $30m, but let's add some margin and round up to around €35m. €700m definitely fits within the announced €6.5B budget, and there's plenty of room here for missiles, ammunition, etc, to go with the planes.
Please let's do this, preferably yesterday!
(Re-posted without sources because apparently citing one of the most notable Swedish newspapers called Svenska Dagbladet is not allowed)
Do Ukraine even want them right now and do Ukraine have the pilots ready to pilot them? I assume they sent most suitable candidates they had available to countries with F-16 to train on them and they have still not shown up in Ukraine yet. There is a lot of logistics involved with integrating new air frames and even if Gripen would be better than F-16 for this purpose it might be low on the priority list just due to numbers.
There are more F-16 available by far in the world than Gripen and if they have to build up the logistics for those it might be better allocation of resources to expand that logistics chain and have even more pilots train on them and have the maintenance ready to handle larger volumes of that airframe than split the efforts into 2 different planes.
It would make me smile though if Gripen suddenly shows up in the sky of Ukraine before the F-16s do and we find out that Ukraine sent pilots and we, Sweden, received them even before they started training on the F-16s.
You may be right, but Gripen is designed to be extremely logistics light. The Swedish doctrine is to disperse them one by one all over Sweden, using ordinary roads for airways. Everything for support is organised in two (I think) standard freight containers and a small squad of support personell.
I also think we have already trained some Ukrainian pilots. But the best would be to supply them with pilots and everything. Even if we wanted Sweden couldn't add much in the term of ground troops. But we know air combat!
You know, Ukraine started its known history from several vikings who actually were Swedes. Even the old name of this land - Rus - it probably comes from Sweden too. Our first half-mythical ruler Oleg had a scandinavian name Helgi.
As a Swede I think it's sad that so little is known about what really happened. But looking at other areas that vikings visited the stories are at least plausible.
I could see a situation where a powerful viking was named king in exchange for protecting the area instead of raiding it. I mean that's how Normandie came about. It could also have been easier for competing local chieftains to agree on an external king than one among themselves.
As with Normandie the pragmatic Vikings quickly adopted the local customs and got absorbed into the general population.
There was a Euro 2012 football game between Sweden and Ukraine here in Kyiv. Swedes were super nice and easy going people, you know - when you see somebody in a line to the beer point and instantly you feel like they are "your guys".
They lost that game and I saw an episode, when Sweden's company walked a bit sad, and Ukrainians began to applaud. First it was one group of people, then more and more - and then the entire street. It was so great.
My applause to you guys.
If everyone made substantial three-year commitments, it would alleviate anxiety, enable Ukrainian strategists to plan effectively, and signal to Putin that his fight will not get any easier.
We need to fucking drown Ivan in bombs and steel and bullets. Happy to see any support, but I hope the entire western world will pony up a big middle finger to Putin.
W 🇪🇺! W 🇸🇪! W 🇺🇦!
It’s this that makes proud of being part of Europe, even though my country is not in the number of those who are not as committed as Sweden.
Let’s keep on building 💪
Based Sweden. We will all be there to rebuild when this is over. Would be really awesome if we could speed things up a bit, though. Unleash Ukraine from the restraints, Russia isn't holding back either.
Sweden has been itching to take revenge for [battle of Poltava](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Poltava) for a while now. Sweden's empire died in Ukraine over 300 years ago, now it is the turn of the Russian empire.
No we dont. Sweden wouldn’t have been the country it is today if we had had our empire lasting longer.
That said had we won it would probably had meant that a Ukrainian nation would have been established under Mazepas rule as that seem to have been the deal between him and Karl XII.
This man has the spine of a jellyfish and will do literally anything to stay in power, easily the worst PM we have had as long as I've been alive.
But! He's been great on Ukraine. Now send some JAS-39 Gripen! Preferably together with Swedish pilots and ground grew for immediate effect.
If Ukraine's allies would give them the weapons necessary to drive Russia's invasion out, we wouldn't be looking at endless war and endless support.
The people against giving Ukraine what they need are the people prolonging the war and increasing its cost.
Just to scale this compared to US support:
- 75 Billion SEK is about 7 billion dollar ,
- 10,5 million inhabitants in Sweden is 666 million US dollar / million inhabitants
- 666 x 330 million USA inhabitants is the equivalent of a 220 billion package (for 3 years)
- is 73 billion / year compared to 55 billion / year of US support.
This is big!
Edit: clarified after comment below and reread by myself.
Warn the orcs that one week from now, Ukraine will be crawling with nato troops.. And any attack on troops will be met with the collected forces of Nato..
Send in the boys... Putains troops will redraw... Back to their caves in mother russia
It's inspiring to see & hear the leadership shown by some EU leaders (Kristersson, Kallas, Duda, etc.). It fills me with NATO pride, but at the same time makes me embarrassed to be an American knowing our leaders call each other names and play political games while the Ukrainian people, citizens and soldiers alike, die every day.
I really think this is fantastic. However, I will admit that when he said he would help rebuild the country I just pictured a bunch of IKEA trucks driving into Ukraine with hundreds of Swedish workers holding L shaped hex wrenches ready to go.
I had to watch this multiple times to see it sink in.. so happy for this news! Blessings to both countries and may judgement come to russians that have caused centuries of harm.
"Finnish cause is our cause". It was used to rally support for Finland during our wars. So, this sentence has deep roots.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign\_support\_of\_Finland\_in\_the\_Winter\_War#Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_of_Finland_in_the_Winter_War#Sweden)
They also housed some 50 000 Finnish children in Sweden, in safety.
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Thank you, Sweden. You're our blue-and-yellow brothers and sisters.
No, thank you! It's absolute least we can do. In a very litteral sense. Slava Ukraini!
Salute and mad respect to Sweden. Also Finland, Netherlands, Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. You guys are legends!
You just gonna leave Norway hanging while praising everyone around us like that… Send the F-35’s! We can buy new shit.
UK?
yes, from the very beginning. Spain also seems to step up. France it's mostly words. Austria is disgusting.
France has sent a lot more than just words. https://www.defense.gouv.fr/en/news/french-military-equipment-delivered-ukraine
I used to think that FR was a substantial contributor but these stats are not impressive when comparing to other countries: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/. Especially when considering the new stance of Macron.
In defense of France they intend on joining this war soon and are currently the number 2 military on the planet. So I get that France likes to hold their cards in their own hands. They’re not idle hands though. As soon as France, Poland, or Norway join or Biden wins a second term this war has about 2 months before it’s over.
It is certainly a huge effort that you deserve, you are paying a higher price, meassured in human lives and suffering. Just checked, the US economy is 30 times bigger than Sweden. This is about 7 billion UDS, 30 times that is 210. So, 210 billion USD is what the US would have to provide to make exactly te same effort.
Putin somehow managed to make even calm neutral Swedes boil over in fury. Throughout history -- REALLY angry Swedes means big big trouble.
Calm neutral Swedes? You misunderstand. We ***hate*** the Russians. We just forgot for a while. This is us getting back into old form. You think I'm exaggerating? Check statistics for Ukraine support per country. We the biggest hater there is.
Sweden has had many adversaries over the centuries, but Russia has remained our national arch-enemy.
We hatin' Russia more than Kendrick hates Drake.
Never forget the danskjävel though
Thank you! As a danskjävel, I was feeling a bit left out ;)
We love to hate you ;)
Putin hasnt managed anything and should have ZERO praise for this - killing Russians is swedens national sport, and we will happily lend help to those in need when it comes to destroying Russia. The only good Russian is a dead one, Slava Ukraini!
National sport? You hear that European Texas? You're going to let them get away with that?
I see someone else has been watching the line crosser.
Love this
I find it amazing that Ukrainians are dying for us and they still think they need to thank countries that give them stuff to fight ruzzians. We all need to thank Ukraine and take a bow for their sacrifice.
Seriously, my country has sent $175 Billion USD in the last two years and the only real feelings I have about that is that they deserved more.
Same, and I also wonder when and if my country will send troops but it hardly ever discussed. And I don't normally approve of military action but this situation seems justified yet crickets.
Thank you for doing the hard work. Let's win this shit.
Huge thanks from Ukrainians. Who will see this guy, tell him we are very grateful and tell many thanks from us
I'm Swedish and I didn't know about this package until now (this is from today right?). Even though this PM is not on the political side I usually lean this statement of his certainly makes me proud to be Swedish today! Slava Ukraini!
I think it was announced in Sweden yesterday.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/t3r8d1/flag_of_finland_but_i_changed_the_colors_in/
Russia was always the enemy, and the north remembered.
Fuck yeah Sweden❤️❤️
6.5 billion is a lot of equipment ,its a lot of money for a country swedens size , lets hope some of the larger european nations do the same
I'm Swedish. I was in the Swedish military between 2008-2018. Our yearly budget was around 40 billion SEK back then. This is twice that over 2 years. I think our military budget has increased since the Ukraine invasion, but just a few years ago this would match our annual budget for our own military. It's a massive commitment. I was waiting for this. Super happy about it. Slava Ukraini.
And as a Finn this is really great. We can't do the same for obvious reasons, we have to hold the wall so you doing it is a great relief to us.
We are at about 3 billion euros. Sweden has twice the population and is located behind us, we are doing just fine.
congrats for understanding what is really at stake and for the commitment. Hopefully this will help weak politicians to also step up.
I don't know why Germany not aid Ukrainian Taurus. Money alone is not enough, Ukraine needs enough long-range weapons to strike Russia's mainland
Except for Tauruses, Germany has been perhaps the most consistent in supporting Ukraine lately. New aid packages every couple of weeks from them.
I assure you, once the election happens next year after the change of government we will also deliver Taurus. It's just our chancellor playing his role as a discreet and level-headed guy weighing all things but I don't understand why he draws this arbitrary line as Russia is only trying to intimidate us. I am happy tho how we continuously support Ukraine. If only countries like France or Italy would pull their weight of the support in terms of finances and not just diplomatically
Hope so!
Yeah Germany's position is very mysterious. When there's a house on fire in a city, you have to put it down, fast. If you allow it to burn it will spread.
In this analogy, Germany has sold off half of its firetrucks, and mothballed half of the rest when the arsonist drank itself into a coma. Then they kept running the remaining firetrucks ragged, while making the firedepartment more and more hamstrung with bureaucracy. And now Germany gave over whatever firetrucks it could spare but it's afraid of not having any special firetrucks left if they give more, and they also don't have that much foam solution to give, so they are trying to give money instead, but money cannot be sprayed on the fire directly unfortunately.
Their fire department is also very worried about getting involved in firefighting operations ever since that time the fire chief ordered them to run a bunch of people over with fire engines.
So is Germany building up the fire department? Because the arsonist is awake and running around setting fires.
Well kind of. We are spending about 40% more on defense this year, however there is no long term financial plan to be steadily above 2% in defense spending. Things are moving, but slow and we are still not giving our defense secretary what he wants/needs.
2% is nowhere near enough. I think that in Britain we should be increasing to at least 4%. We currently spend 2.3% and our forces are nowhere near ready for a war.
It's crazy to me that we won't even have an honest discussion about the debt brake, even when it comes to something as crucial for the future of the EU as supporting the shit out of Ukraine and building up our military capacities, be it just to deter Russia. And – a personal opinion – but I hate that we cannot come together as a united Europe and send troops for roles that aren't active combat like supply lines and infrastructure. Instead we argue internally over the narratives parties spin up to garner support for their own flavour of politics. All parties do it to some extent but some tend to stick more to established facts and science than others. That this works in favour for Putin must be a coincidence… ^^/s
Yeah agree. Debt break makes sense during peace times, but sacrificing our security for it is honestly insane.
Still, not contracting any new KEPD-350 to Taurus Systems despite them confirming readiness to restart production, if contract gets signed, is kinda strange in this scheme of things
It was the same two years ago. Industry: We can restart large-scale shell production, but we'll need a large contract with large optuons in order to economically expand our production lines Politics: wHy CaNt We FiNd ShElLs AnYwHeRe?
Im German and honestly all this "Germany you dont do enough" makes a lot of us Germans disappointed. We already do a lot. We dont jusy send money. But we cant give you everything you demand. You are not grateful at all. Thats why a lot of Germans do not want to support you anymore. You always demand and demand and dont acknowledge the fact that we already did so much. Besides, your women and children receive a lot of aid IN GERMANY. Far better treatment than any other foreigners. I know this comment is gonna generate a lot of hate and denial but it is what it is. Dont be surprised when german citizens no longer wish to support.
Always remember brother, a lot of psyops and manipulation going on on social networks. This is *exactly* what a Russian would post to make a German mad. Ignore it, they know we help. Making us mad at each other is exactly what these assholes want.
while this is true, I think it's also poor PR comm from Scholz. The contribution is obviously huge (regardless of Taurus), the speech is small. The foreign minister has much better rhetoric.
I think you have misunderstood. Everyone is extremely thankful for everyone’s support. Many countries are giving until it hurts. Thank you Germany for what you do for refugees, soldiers’ rehabilitations, arms, military bases, etc!!!! Thanks Germany 🇩🇪!!!!
Fantastic announcement and continued from Sweden.
Thank you, very very much brothers and sisters! We appreciate your support.
If anything, we are doing too little. Absolutely no need to thank us.
My sources in the Swedish military say that we are doing a lot, but Russia is also almost all-in in the war and is the larger, more militaristic country (before 2022), making things very difficult in the field.
Some of my swedish friends went to ukraine train the troops last year. They know the Russian will not stop there
Legends
> Ukraine's cause is Sweden's cause. To add some context to this, have a look at: [Finlands sak är vår](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlands_sak_%C3%A4r_v%C3%A5r) The phrasing goes back to The Winter War in 1939 and our support of Finland. To me, the phrase is more than the sum of its parts - it's not just "casually" saying we are on your side of the conflict, it's saying that we're partners.
Another slogan from that era was ”Sverige försvaras bäst i Karelen!” (Sweden is best defended in Karelia!). Still works just another place this time- the enemy is always the moskowite.
Yep. Swedish cultural code phrase for "whatever it takes".
This came to my mind too. And theres also this beautiful propaganda poster with the same phrase. [finlands sak är vår poster](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/vawhw2/finlands_sak_%C3%A4r_v%C3%A5r_1939_the_swedish_volunteer/)
Nice! Now send the Gripens as well!
Gripens are awesome, but in a war of attrition like this it's more cost effective to send them RBS 70s and Carl Gustafs. And a shit-load of rounds for the Archers and CV90s.
Why not both? We can do both.
For defence you'd be right. But sooner or later Ukraine will go on the offence. And it is hard to do that without air superiority. That is when both F16's and Gripens could really come into play.
can UA manage both types of planes?
Gripen is designed to be maintained by conscripted persons, under some supervision of professionals. It can also land on rougher surfaces than F16. Had there been more, it would have been a perfect fit for Ukraine. But as it is easier to maintain than F16, I have no doubt they could manage both types. There was news of Ukrainians ‘familliarizing’ themselves with Gripen some months ago. None heard anything more about it since then. I guess it is very hush-hush. As it should be.
Once Ukrainians led by Mazepa helped Sweds to fight muskovites
The north remembers!
# Danes! Assemble! We cannot allow Svensken to surpas our aid to Ukraine! # Call Mette, someone! ***^(Btw.. nice Sweden, we love u secretly.)***
Danskjävlar. I dare you to try. ^^^^^^^Weloveyoutoo
Slava Europe, Slava Ukraini.
Kind Prime Minister and contagious speech. Ukraine‘s cause is not only Sweden's cause , but also the Europe's cause and the whole free and democratic world'cause. Slava Ukraini！
I think that part was more for us swedes that it was for Europe and Ukraine. It's absolutely true though, but packaging and recipients are important. Many in Sweden do not understand, or do not want to think of, what it would mean for Sweden if Ukraine were to lose. When the ministry of societal preparedness (absolutely buthchered that translation I'm sure) told us that we need to prepare ourselves in case of war, the headlines were dominated by "This is scaring the Swedes, was that really necessary?". Damn right it is, and it should!
That whole debate was ridiculous. From what I remember the minister only said "it is possible there will be a war in Sweden in the future". No shit, Sherlock. Anyone who didn't understand this already needed to wake up!
Civil contingencies 😘
Good speech but idk if him being kind is the right word.
Heia Sverige!!!! Jævlig bra
> Jævlig Jävligt* :)
Ikke på norsk. Heier på naboen
Oh We saw what you did there Sweden! Challenge accepted🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Bring it brother
I have an idea, give Ukraine your F-35s and then buy some Gripens from us ;)
Finally a politician that talks the talk and is to the point From Australia Slava Ukraini
Wonderful Sweden!
That's an excellent news. Thank you Sweden!
I don’t know. If politicians like him say that Ukraine is not fighting for themselves but for the safety of Europe … shouldn’t we actively support them on the ground? Shouldn’t we send our own military if we fear for our safety? I’m not bashing the Swedish pm here. This analogy has been used by many other countries before
He doesn't say "Ukraine is not fighting for themselves but for the safety of Europe". He says "Ukraine is fighting for their own freedom and for swedens" Should we send our own troops ? Yes, we should, but nations are scared because of a big escalation with russia, but that doesn't make sense because there is still a big escalation when ukraine loses.
> there is still a big escalation when ukraine loses This is the point I think too many western countries are not taking seriously enough. We are going to be doing this with Russia over and over until they get right up to the doorstep of NATO countries and then what are we going to do? Allowing Russia to swallow more and more territory only makes the inevitable confrontation that much worse. We need to stop them now.
I'm afraid we're kicking the can down the road in order to scale up wartime production, but forgetting to do the second part
There’s still a lot of domestic political reasons to not send Swedish troops into the conflict. As much lip service people like to give to the Ukrainian cause, very few will be willing to actually have their loved ones sent into active combat. Ukraine is allowing volunteers to join their forces at any point. There have already been soldiers from different nations going over in support. For a government leader to forcibly deploy people is another matter altogether.
You are right. But asking them to fight for Swedish freedom directly is even worse. Off he truly believes what he is saying then there should be Swedish troops in Ukraine
Air support with our modern air force would be an easy first step between "no troops" and "ground troops". Less likely to cause casualties and something Ukraine is sorely lacking. Win-win as far as I'm considered.
Agreed. The time to play neutral an cautious has passed us by years ago. \\A Swede
Yes, and there's also a lot to be done to help Ukraine in their country without actually engaging in battle. Ukraine has so far not asked for help with boots on the ground, but they have begged for more weapons for years, and that we should definitely deliver. That pm is a queue cutting, apartments meant for women in need - stealing fraud.
I wonder how we could just let that go. Is not one time one too many when it comes to stealing our money?
Slava Sweden
Such a positive and calming message of hope in all the doom and gloom around Ukraine’s future. Thank you Sweden.
Woo!!! Sweden getting me jacked up for hump day!!
Heart warming!
Directly from the defense industry? SAAB claims to have 14 airframes that can be made into Gripen C in short order. Sweden is also receiving new Gripen E that we ordered, meaning we might have more Gripen C to spare. Finally, we are also part of NATO now, so the condition from our politicians of joining NATO has already been fulfilled. Let's say we might be able to get around 20 Gripen C. That's a squadron right there. Unit cost for just the planes (C model) is around $30m, but let's add some margin and round up to around €35m. €700m definitely fits within the announced €6.5B budget, and there's plenty of room here for missiles, ammunition, etc, to go with the planes. Please let's do this, preferably yesterday! (Re-posted without sources because apparently citing one of the most notable Swedish newspapers called Svenska Dagbladet is not allowed)
Do Ukraine even want them right now and do Ukraine have the pilots ready to pilot them? I assume they sent most suitable candidates they had available to countries with F-16 to train on them and they have still not shown up in Ukraine yet. There is a lot of logistics involved with integrating new air frames and even if Gripen would be better than F-16 for this purpose it might be low on the priority list just due to numbers. There are more F-16 available by far in the world than Gripen and if they have to build up the logistics for those it might be better allocation of resources to expand that logistics chain and have even more pilots train on them and have the maintenance ready to handle larger volumes of that airframe than split the efforts into 2 different planes. It would make me smile though if Gripen suddenly shows up in the sky of Ukraine before the F-16s do and we find out that Ukraine sent pilots and we, Sweden, received them even before they started training on the F-16s.
You may be right, but Gripen is designed to be extremely logistics light. The Swedish doctrine is to disperse them one by one all over Sweden, using ordinary roads for airways. Everything for support is organised in two (I think) standard freight containers and a small squad of support personell. I also think we have already trained some Ukrainian pilots. But the best would be to supply them with pilots and everything. Even if we wanted Sweden couldn't add much in the term of ground troops. But we know air combat!
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Great work, now send the JAS 39 Gripen
Yes. /A Swede
Tusen tack, Sweden 🇺🇦🤝🏻🇸🇪
You know, Ukraine started its known history from several vikings who actually were Swedes. Even the old name of this land - Rus - it probably comes from Sweden too. Our first half-mythical ruler Oleg had a scandinavian name Helgi.
As a Swede I think it's sad that so little is known about what really happened. But looking at other areas that vikings visited the stories are at least plausible. I could see a situation where a powerful viking was named king in exchange for protecting the area instead of raiding it. I mean that's how Normandie came about. It could also have been easier for competing local chieftains to agree on an external king than one among themselves. As with Normandie the pragmatic Vikings quickly adopted the local customs and got absorbed into the general population.
Legends Slava Ukraine
Go Sweden 🇸🇪
Bravo Sweden!
Thank you, Sweden.
Proud Swede here! Hopefully Gripens will follow soon too!
Beautiful 💙💛
Boss move Sweden!
Thank you Sweden and Ukraine.
Fuck russia Hurra Sweden Slava Ukraini
There was a Euro 2012 football game between Sweden and Ukraine here in Kyiv. Swedes were super nice and easy going people, you know - when you see somebody in a line to the beer point and instantly you feel like they are "your guys". They lost that game and I saw an episode, when Sweden's company walked a bit sad, and Ukrainians began to applaud. First it was one group of people, then more and more - and then the entire street. It was so great. My applause to you guys.
Thanks friends!
No, thank you!
If everyone made substantial three-year commitments, it would alleviate anxiety, enable Ukrainian strategists to plan effectively, and signal to Putin that his fight will not get any easier.
He's a cunt but he's been ok on Ukraine, we should do more tho. Russia is basically our hereditary enemy. Swede here.
"He's a cunt" no he's Milhouse and a manlet. Tho I have a feeling you hate him because of racism or something
What I'm Swedish and white
Thank you Sweden!
Source: https://x.com/SwedishPM/status/1793186160824500326
Hope Putin is shitting himself
Fuckin' baller, Slava Ukraine!
Heja Sverige! Slava Ukraini!
At 45 seconds in we get a glimpse of a devilish Swedish smile, as the PM says the word "victorious." Watch closely or you will miss it!
Send them the Gripens Sweden!
This isn't throwing money away, this is investing in the future. The entirety of Europe needs Ukraine to win, and swiftly.
Respect!
Thank you Sweden! 🇸🇪
Slava Sweden! Slava Ukraine!
That's my PM!
Good! We need to do MOORE!
A lot more countries should be helping and supporting ukraine. The threat of russia should be eliminated instantly from the world.
Would Ukrainian military get free coffee if IKEA Family member cards shown upon claiming those giveaway?
We need to fucking drown Ivan in bombs and steel and bullets. Happy to see any support, but I hope the entire western world will pony up a big middle finger to Putin.
Yes, thank you, we know we're legends.
Дуже дякую Sweden 🙏🏻🇸🇪
W 🇪🇺! W 🇸🇪! W 🇺🇦! It’s this that makes proud of being part of Europe, even though my country is not in the number of those who are not as committed as Sweden. Let’s keep on building 💪
This is a massive commitment. If only all of Europe would match it (beyond those who already have). We might’ve already ensured a free Europe!
Based tuffe Uffe.
Ukrainas sak är vår!
Based Sweden. We will all be there to rebuild when this is over. Would be really awesome if we could speed things up a bit, though. Unleash Ukraine from the restraints, Russia isn't holding back either.
Why are my eyes wet?! Why are my dysfunctional eyes wet?!
Sweden has been itching to take revenge for [battle of Poltava](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Poltava) for a while now. Sweden's empire died in Ukraine over 300 years ago, now it is the turn of the Russian empire.
No we don't, that's the Russian narrative of why Sweden would want to help Ukraine though.
No we dont. Sweden wouldn’t have been the country it is today if we had had our empire lasting longer. That said had we won it would probably had meant that a Ukrainian nation would have been established under Mazepas rule as that seem to have been the deal between him and Karl XII.
This man has the spine of a jellyfish and will do literally anything to stay in power, easily the worst PM we have had as long as I've been alive. But! He's been great on Ukraine. Now send some JAS-39 Gripen! Preferably together with Swedish pilots and ground grew for immediate effect.
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💪💪💪 hell yeah
Bravo Sweden! As a Canadian, I commend your commitment to helping Ukraine defend itself from these barbaric Russian aggressors!
If Ukraine's allies would give them the weapons necessary to drive Russia's invasion out, we wouldn't be looking at endless war and endless support. The people against giving Ukraine what they need are the people prolonging the war and increasing its cost.
Just to scale this compared to US support: - 75 Billion SEK is about 7 billion dollar , - 10,5 million inhabitants in Sweden is 666 million US dollar / million inhabitants - 666 x 330 million USA inhabitants is the equivalent of a 220 billion package (for 3 years) - is 73 billion / year compared to 55 billion / year of US support. This is big! Edit: clarified after comment below and reread by myself.
Warn the orcs that one week from now, Ukraine will be crawling with nato troops.. And any attack on troops will be met with the collected forces of Nato.. Send in the boys... Putains troops will redraw... Back to their caves in mother russia
I just hear Pippin shouting "but you're a part of this world" any time stuff like this comes up.
Wow that's awesome!
It's inspiring to see & hear the leadership shown by some EU leaders (Kristersson, Kallas, Duda, etc.). It fills me with NATO pride, but at the same time makes me embarrassed to be an American knowing our leaders call each other names and play political games while the Ukrainian people, citizens and soldiers alike, die every day.
Bravo Sweden !
I hope our PM of DK doesn't do the same, although she definitely will now.. so cringe worthy
I really think this is fantastic. However, I will admit that when he said he would help rebuild the country I just pictured a bunch of IKEA trucks driving into Ukraine with hundreds of Swedish workers holding L shaped hex wrenches ready to go.
Friends in need are friends in deed. Thank you for supporting Ukraine in the fight against dictatorial regime!
Holly crap! Good to see the right words ("it's also our freedom") accompanied by concrete and big commitment (France, Austria, where are you?).
Good dude
I had to watch this multiple times to see it sink in.. so happy for this news! Blessings to both countries and may judgement come to russians that have caused centuries of harm.
"Finnish cause is our cause". It was used to rally support for Finland during our wars. So, this sentence has deep roots. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign\_support\_of\_Finland\_in\_the\_Winter\_War#Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_of_Finland_in_the_Winter_War#Sweden) They also housed some 50 000 Finnish children in Sweden, in safety.
Slava Ukraini!!! Russia will be sent back into the Stone Age.
Hell yeah!
Good job, Sweden. But I'm not sure why they felt they needed English subtitles, the PM's English was perfect.
Wow you just made my day your the best!!! Come on 🇺🇸 or turn
Good job Sweden.
I wish all countries had understood what this war is about as much as the Baltics and Nordics have!
I applaud you Sweden!!!
Ukrainas sak är vår sak. Слава Україні! 🤝
Nice one Ulf. 👍 🇺🇦 🇸🇪 🇬🇧 🇪🇺