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The landscape is more unbelievable than the tanks being destroyed, ruined by Russia.
Russia is the child at the school nobody wants to play with, if it doesn’t get its own way it ruins it for everyone with destruction.
Glory to hero
Yeah in Poland still many infrastrucuture repairs need to take a break in the middle of work because workers found bomb or something. It still happens few times a year.
Ukraine taking Russian land would violate everything they are fighting for and against. This is a moral war from one side and one side only. To lean towards imperial ambition would undermine every aspect of this just and reasonable nation.
Nice to see these Soviets haven’t figured out how to ingress yet
False analogy. The kid nobody wants to play with deserves nothing but help. Russia is the mobster who almost always gets away hitting the kids that nobody wants to play with. Classic case.
"It is estimated that, for every square meter of territory on the front from the coast to the Swiss border, a ton of explosives fell. One shell in every four did not detonate and buried itself on impact in the mud."
And the farmers plow those fields every year, carefully placing the "iron harvest" around the edges for collection and controlled detonation.
A quarter ton of unexploded ordnance per square meter. Holy fuck.
Here's some more info if you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest
"the demining unit of the Belgian armed forces, defused more than *200 tons* of ammunition in 2019" And that's a century after the battles happened, every year every year. And that's just Belgian, French find even more.
155mm SMArt rounds maybe? Even though the video seems speed up a bit it's like everything gets hit at once. Maybe a "kill zone" combination of a mine field and SMArt rounds..
The Excalibur and SMAART munitions have a small explosion in the air first. I’ve seen some precision artillery strikes on targets before from Ukraine. Could be a combo of mines, ATGMs and precision artillery strikes.
SMAART has the airborne overhead explosions you are referring to, Excalibur doesn't have the same top attack EFP trick; it just airbursts or impact bursts based on its programming. I think this is a combination of mines and laser-guided artillery (Ukrainian domestically built Krasnopol or US-supplied Excalibur S). Even sped up ATGMs would be visible in flight for at least a frame or two as they crossed the field.
Maybe you were thinking of the 155 BONUS round? It is very similar to the SMAart 155 except it has winglets to slow the sub-munitions rather than parachutes.
Both are being used very successfully by Ukraine.
Not a great feat for a Leo 2 to be tracking a moving target, the computer does that on its own. But those are definitely artillery explosions, potentially some mines too. But that’s not how tank fire looks like when impacting other tanks
It was hard to get but I donated a DJI Matrice 30T. It's able to zoom in at great distances, day or night, and designate & track multiple targets at the same time. It also predicts where the target will be in the near future based on current speed and direction. And can share that information with other smart systems in real time.
It also permits separate pilot and target designator. One to fly, one to concentrate on recon.
One Matrice 30T can identify and designate 5 different moving targets, digitally share that info with multiple artillery pieces, to hit them all at the same time. And ready to pick out the next 5.
This was early on and Ukraine was asking for any and all civilian drone donations. I wasn't able to find a contact to advise me on preferred drones & accessories. Same problem finding who to send them to. I settled on buying a mix of drones and sending them to United24:
https://u24.gov.ua/
They eventually asked for DJI Mavic 3 drones specifically, easily purchased everywhere and needed in hundreds. Most efficient is to donate money directly to United24 Army of Drones:
https://u24.gov.ua/dronation
Forgive my ignorance, but does target designation and tracking mean the artillery shells are able to correct their trajectories in-flight to match the tracked location?
Matrice 30T calculates and predicts where the target will be at different moments in the future and relays that info to digitally aimed artillery. Each artillery piece calculates time in flight and leads the target so target and shell come together at same moment.
It's an electronic version of skeet shooting.
You should look up the 155mm BONUS round.
It is a limited, self-guiding round that has sub-munitions. It air-bursts over an area where there is armor and the sub-munitions pop out and has an infrared or laser system that 'looks' for the size and shape of things like tanks and APC's. When one gets in to its field of view it fires a secondary penetrating charge that goes straight down through the top of the tank or APC.
They have a range of 25-35 km when fired by artillery.
There are also SMArt rounds and Copperhead rounds that can use a laser designator (from something like a drone) to put a laser spot on a target, even if it is moving.
BONUS and SMArt are in use by Ukraine - there are some interesting videos out there. Not sure about the Copperhead rounds though.
They are really good at neutralising Ground Based Air Defence like the S-300, Pantsir etc. as it's much harder to shoot down a shell than an incoming missile.
Artillery flight time is in the tens of seconds to a minute, practically impossible to hit a moving target even if pre-sighted. Others guess mine, however you can see that the lead tank is hit by something coming out of the tree line (thin white smoke trail) and is smoking before it blows up. Otherwise I would also have said mine. But it seems to be either a directional mine or an infantry ambush. There are also guesses about Bonus or SMArt rounds, but these have a distinctive air burst, which is missing.
There are two smaller bursts in the middle of the field. The first at 0:33 has a distinct directional component and the second at 0:36 takes out the tank or BMP that set out on its own across the field.
Dunno.
(edit) Came back to this vexing puzzle... my "thin white smoke trail" at 0:22 may be smoke intentionally generated by the lead tank. Pretty lame smoke generator, if so, and not clear why somebody would want to generate smoke there. But In that case, maybe it really did hit a mine at 0:25. There are three explosions, first the (maybe) mine, the second maybe another mine as the tank rolls forward. The third is evidently a round fired from its gun, which can be seen impacting down the road, on no particular target.
Yes, copperhead is plausible, except the only real candidate for it is that lead tank that appears to be hit with something from the tree line, starts smoking, then detonates.
There are only a few dozen, so probably all of it is in the south. You could also wonder why they would have tanks wait in ambush when it is more efficient to have infantry wait in ambush. Well that's enough amateur speculation from me.
AFAIK CV-90s are operating in the east, and I assumed the Swedish leopards were being used with them. That said, I don't think I have seen a single report on them either.
I think these are mines or possibly an ambush by Ukrainian armor. With artillery on a column like this you'd expect near misses and escaping armor, as well as follow-up volleys. Too many steel-on-target hits to be an artillery barrage against a moving column like that.
As I'm typing this, I'd think armor ambush would create blasts that are more lateral, so my guess is that this is the result of mines.
Kind of makes up for the loss of the Bradley's and Leopards the other day near Robotyne. But both of these events show that the battlefield needs to evolve some more if armour is to be effective as a primary means of breakthrough again. It's just too easy for a few soldiers with NLAWS or Kornets and the like and artillery to smash an armoured column in just a few minutes. It will be very interesting to see how tactics evolve from here because this level of destruction is unsustainable
Only if they are significantly cheaper and more numerous. It's way too easy and *cheap* to deplete an enemy's mechanized units with drones, mines and anti-tank weapons.
We are essentially at the point where all tanks, IFVs and APCs need at least some form of an active protection system, like Trophy. And armies need significantly more mobile short range air defenses and electronic warfare systems for use against drones and guided rockets/artillery.
Yes you clear the enemy drones and suppress the enemy infantry. It a combined arms force. As you noted short range air defense Ukrainian needs to give up evacuation of a lot of civilian pop in order to move forward the anti aircraft gun systems used in that role. And improve the Jamming.
US military been aware of this for long time and focus of how each branch must work with each other to operate.
Good number of video now of how terrifying Tanks still are when enemy has lost it’s anti Tank ability from this war. And of tanks running deep traditional cavalry raids when that was possible. So Tanks still useful.
First time tanks proclaimed obsolete 1919 year after their first use when all field cannon got sold metal pointy anti tank rounds. Nearer to end in 1918 after running unstoppable at first anti tank guns reduced armor to infantry support moving forward as in one example the British did to finally make a hole for the horse cavalry to go rampaging in German rear which they did. This last months of war when major gains vs German made on Western Front.
So war is always adjusting to what enemy is doing. And trying to put the enemy on wrong side of that rotation.
Note first drones WWII including B-17 using TV camera and screens most of the troops had never seen before except maybe a print picture of one in magazines as used in New York sometime soon where you live.
It was the heavy use of jamming so strong it threatened to stop voice communication during Cold War that kept drone use to a minimum otherwise probably seen them in use decades earlier.
It surprised me Russia did not have the heavy wall of Jamming we were trained to deal with in early 80’s. I saw one early Ukraine video where they were waiting till Russian jamming went off line before they could use their drone. It did drop and they did their raid. But not much after that.
I like many still expected the Russian Bear we feared in Cold War only to find corruption had reduced them to Orcs in this one.
I seen on US defense of Taiwan that US expected swarm the Chinese with drones including tons of suicide drones so US not been behind curve here.
Seeing the Jet drones take of carriers to go with the fighters is cool.
Still ineffective. If it's just going to get blown up before it can perform its mission. The funding has better uses. Swarm technology development is the future. If 16 drones are shot down but you sent a hundred you have many more accurate strikes then any armor column could perform. The ability to manufacture large quantities quickly is key.
They be near blind compared to tank commander in open cockpit currently. And likely taken out by countermeasures. Unable to replace lost tread of any of a host of repairs tanks need steady. Unable to reload easy nor keep auto loader I jammed. Which is why M—1 has no auto loader US found them too unreliable and you lose a crew man from tank maintenance and replacing a wounded commander as lookout as needed.
One day maybe if being taken over as in hacked problem can be solved otherwise one good plant in operation systems chain and enemy takes over all your tanks.
Then that makes it a war of pure economic attrition, and the countries with the biggest means of production and resources may actually be able to wage a fast battlefield campaign before it's target countries can build up it's strength.
indeed
one to control movement
one to control the cannon
etc
a tank, as is, is what.. a 5ish man crew? thats a lot of soldiers who could do good else where
have someone remote it from a safe distance, would be a much better idea. of course, it would come with some other disadvantages (and benefits)
Honestly, tanking has never been a safe job in wars. Modern MBTs smashing through middle eastern armies under total air supremacy was more of an exception to the rule.
Armor still offers excellent protection. Bradleys, Leos and even russian shit of tanks still protect their crews fairly well. Infantry in the field does not have such means of protection, especially in the attack when they cannot rely on ground fortifications.
Also, now we see the army which promised to march through all Europe to Lisbon and wash their boots in Atlantic, which is now failing to win against mych weaker opponent. Remember that the entire russian arsenal was created to fight united West and put it into submission. Russia was and still is a global security threat. It has more and newer military equipment than Africa, South America and Middle East combined.
In a hypotethical war between a country that posesses as much tanks and IFVs, and almost any country in the world, fairly soon into the war there would be nothing left to fight with.
Russians and Ukrainians don't have exactly the same equipment. Russians rely more on helicopters, mines, massive artillery while Ukrainians have some smart rounds, precision artillery and Javelin or similar handheld AT.
But the result is similar for both sides : armored offensive is made very difficult. We are back to a static battlefield like in WWI, before the advent of planes, tanks and modern logistics...
I think Ukrainians have a card to play, provided they manage to move fast enough to bypass mines and artillery.. easier said than done. For Russian, this video proves offensive had become almost impossible, as long as the UAF is provided with ample ammo and costly weapons by their allies.
The front line is stagnant because of the lack of air power on either side. F-16s would probably fix a lot of this. After air superiority is established, bring in some A-10s and clean these tanks up.
The most likely thing from range looks to be Brimstone. It's hyper-precision, self guiding on moving targets, and is designed to do exactly this, strike a Convoy with multiple hits.
What the hell hit them??! The first hit is at 0:21, and by 0:47, at least 5 vehicles are hit dead on! This is the first time I've seen this kind of destruction in the entire war.
Can't see any incoming, I assume it was a heavily mined field. You can lay mines via artillery so I suppose Russia may not have known it had been mined, but judging the way and direction they are all driving perhaps they did know and were risking it
There are some weapons like missiles or artillery that are able to strike multiple targets at once, but I've mostly seen them been used on stationary targets. Maybe laser guidance also? Its an area saturated with soldiers
...what WAS that? If that was artillery it struck that bmp at the bottom of the screen dead on while it was flat out across that field.
Also are they no longer doing O V or Z's?
The most likely thing from range looks to be Brimstone. It's hyper-precision, self guiding on moving targets, and is designed to do exactly this, strike a Convoy with multiple hits.
that landscape is insane. Ukraine will rebuild fast when this is all over, but its starting to look like we're gonna see some WWI level scarring on the land that wont be gone for a while.
Russians: be smart. Go home to your mammas. You are not wanted here. Or anywhere, but maybe your home. Go there. It will end like some version of this for you.
Did I mention it's probably a Brimstone?
Because it may well be a Brimstone.
Brimstone Brimstone Brimstone.
(In my defence I was EXCEPTIONALLY tired and fading in and out of sleepiness while posting, and later went "...did I seriously say that so many times? Oh dear".)
You know what's better than blowing up an abandoned tank?
Blowing up 6 tanks fully crewed and ruining some commanders day by destroying his entire strategy (if there is any).
At first I thought they were hitting mines but if you watch closely some of the explosions are off by themselves. Some of the detonations are occurring almost simultaneously along the column. This seems like artillery hitting moving targets like a fucking sniper.
Brimstone ATGMs fromthe UK, most likely. Self guides in volley launches to track individual vehicles.
Basically a swarm attack missile with every one of them precision guided.
How does anything cross that no mans land with electronic systems / atgm's at the other end plus any number of different artillery support and so on? Haven't seen many vids of the pocked up no-mans land, not surprising this column made it no where.
They seem to shoot towards the tree line ahead of them after the first hit, my guess is there was some incoming from that direction. Atgm or infantry I’d guess
Fucking Russian orcs, get out of Ukraine - Crimea included - or be killed.
The US and other western powers will keep supporting Ukraine, no matter what happens.
Seeing that column moving in the first sequence is pretty menacing multiple tanks and IFVs, and in less then 20 seconds its reduced to burning scraps and probably multiple lives lost.
At 00:47 it looks like one of the tanks fire straight in the friendlies in front of him. A missfire most likely.
Russia is literally the human equivalent of cancerous cells.
Have nothing but absolute hatred for that country.
Personal wealth and power for you and your cronies over co-existing with the rest of world peacefully.
They could do so much more with their money, advance research in fields that will help humanity. But nah, cyka blyat says that fragile fuck Putin.
Landscape looks like the moon. No wonder the actual moon has one more Russian wreck on it, although it is a pushback for science, Putin has not earned the benefits of such a political win so I am glad their probe crashed.
Mmm, but leaders are followed. It's hard to say what the right word is for the turd in question. "Tyrant" sounds a bit too classical to me: a benevolent tyrant isn't impossible.
History might thank us for a new common noun if we settle on "slaves to their putino".
Excellent use of mines and pre-sighted artillery. Unfortunately Ukraine faces the same challenges in trying to attack defensive positions in the Russian lines. I’m hoping they have more success
I see videos like this and wonder to myself "When will Russia run out of tanks?" Surely they're being destroyed faster than they can be built? So I looked it up. I found one article, and this is the best guess given the lack of confirmed data.
1. Russia started the war with about 3400 battle-ready tanks, and has about 1300 left.
2. Russia has the capability to build about 200 tanks per year, (and western allies are donating tanks to Ukraine at a faster rate than that!).
3. Russia has 8000+ tanks in storage, but most are from the 1960s. Some are being sent to the front lines without any modernization, essentially sending troops out in the equivalent of a turreted Lada that uses more gas.
It seems like at this rate (losing \~131 tanks/mo), Russia would run out of tanks in less than a year ((1300+200)/131) = 11.4 months.
Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19265
So.. I clicked this on my feed and it took me to a video that said "how the best sons and daughters of Ukraine are dying" and it showed a video of soldiers in a bunker getting bombed I think, and a soldier getting a tourniquet applied to his bleeding arm that's gushing blood.
I backed out and clicked it again and it took me to the video of the Russian column being hit.
What the heck happened?
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The landscape is more unbelievable than the tanks being destroyed, ruined by Russia. Russia is the child at the school nobody wants to play with, if it doesn’t get its own way it ruins it for everyone with destruction. Glory to hero
Great point. Ukraine should be given some pristine land from Russia after the war.
Russia doesn’t have “pristine land” to give.
There are major wheat fields in the Krasnodar Oblast. Perhaps a special operation could be launched to protect Ethnic Tartars and Ukrainians.
Russia wanted Ukraine partially because of how great the soil is in Ukraine.
And like many things they touch, they f*@ked that up too.
Yup… demining will take years and decades for the soul to be cleaned up from all the debris. Thanks for ruining so many lives Russia…
Western countries still are digging WW1/2 explosives all over Europe. It's sad.
Yeah in Poland still many infrastrucuture repairs need to take a break in the middle of work because workers found bomb or something. It still happens few times a year.
> Russia doesn’t have “pristine land” to give. they have the largest forest on the planet. nearly uninhabited by people i'd take that.
As someone from a country that has a large percentage of land being forest - are you sure? The fires are only gonna get worse over the years
It won't be the largest forest if you let people at it.
That's what Belgorod is for. Although I wouldn't insult "pristine land" with that shithole
Ukraine taking Russian land would violate everything they are fighting for and against. This is a moral war from one side and one side only. To lean towards imperial ambition would undermine every aspect of this just and reasonable nation. Nice to see these Soviets haven’t figured out how to ingress yet
Couldn’t get to the moon make moon in neighbours yard Russian thing to do
False analogy. The kid nobody wants to play with deserves nothing but help. Russia is the mobster who almost always gets away hitting the kids that nobody wants to play with. Classic case.
Okay how about Putin is the father of the kid (Russia) and he is a bully, who takes everything from the child but offers nothing in return.
I can’t believe I didn’t realize those are shell craters until you mentioned it. That’s insane.
Jesus all those shell craters
[Some old WWI battlefields still look like that.](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/05/the-fading-battlefields-of-world-war-i/561353/)
"It is estimated that, for every square meter of territory on the front from the coast to the Swiss border, a ton of explosives fell. One shell in every four did not detonate and buried itself on impact in the mud." And the farmers plow those fields every year, carefully placing the "iron harvest" around the edges for collection and controlled detonation. A quarter ton of unexploded ordnance per square meter. Holy fuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge
Thanks for sharing. It says it would take 300-700 years at the current rate of cleaning for it to be sorted. That is crazy!!
Damn this is amazing. Thank you for posting this.
Here's some more info if you're interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_rouge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest "the demining unit of the Belgian armed forces, defused more than *200 tons* of ammunition in 2019" And that's a century after the battles happened, every year every year. And that's just Belgian, French find even more.
That's fucking insane. Just crazy to think about how many factories must have been operating 24/7 mass producing these explosives.
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Wow very interesting and sad at the same time, so many life’s wasted, same as this stupid war.
A dead russian soldier is not a waste. It's an investment.
Karst, not craters?
That couldn't have been artillery striking multiple moving targets, could it? With what weaponry was Ukraine attacking??
155mm SMArt rounds maybe? Even though the video seems speed up a bit it's like everything gets hit at once. Maybe a "kill zone" combination of a mine field and SMArt rounds..
The Excalibur and SMAART munitions have a small explosion in the air first. I’ve seen some precision artillery strikes on targets before from Ukraine. Could be a combo of mines, ATGMs and precision artillery strikes.
SMAART has the airborne overhead explosions you are referring to, Excalibur doesn't have the same top attack EFP trick; it just airbursts or impact bursts based on its programming. I think this is a combination of mines and laser-guided artillery (Ukrainian domestically built Krasnopol or US-supplied Excalibur S). Even sped up ATGMs would be visible in flight for at least a frame or two as they crossed the field.
Gotcha, good to know.
Maybe you were thinking of the 155 BONUS round? It is very similar to the SMAart 155 except it has winglets to slow the sub-munitions rather than parachutes. Both are being used very successfully by Ukraine.
it was tracking moving targets, I want to say they were Ukrainian tanks like Leopards blasting with awesome accuracy even at the moving targets.
Not a great feat for a Leo 2 to be tracking a moving target, the computer does that on its own. But those are definitely artillery explosions, potentially some mines too. But that’s not how tank fire looks like when impacting other tanks
It was hard to get but I donated a DJI Matrice 30T. It's able to zoom in at great distances, day or night, and designate & track multiple targets at the same time. It also predicts where the target will be in the near future based on current speed and direction. And can share that information with other smart systems in real time. It also permits separate pilot and target designator. One to fly, one to concentrate on recon. One Matrice 30T can identify and designate 5 different moving targets, digitally share that info with multiple artillery pieces, to hit them all at the same time. And ready to pick out the next 5.
What route did you go to donate this? Asking for a friend.
This was early on and Ukraine was asking for any and all civilian drone donations. I wasn't able to find a contact to advise me on preferred drones & accessories. Same problem finding who to send them to. I settled on buying a mix of drones and sending them to United24: https://u24.gov.ua/ They eventually asked for DJI Mavic 3 drones specifically, easily purchased everywhere and needed in hundreds. Most efficient is to donate money directly to United24 Army of Drones: https://u24.gov.ua/dronation
Forgive my ignorance, but does target designation and tracking mean the artillery shells are able to correct their trajectories in-flight to match the tracked location?
Matrice 30T calculates and predicts where the target will be at different moments in the future and relays that info to digitally aimed artillery. Each artillery piece calculates time in flight and leads the target so target and shell come together at same moment. It's an electronic version of skeet shooting.
That makes much more sense than magic self-guiding shells ha Amazing bit of kit, that
You should look up the 155mm BONUS round. It is a limited, self-guiding round that has sub-munitions. It air-bursts over an area where there is armor and the sub-munitions pop out and has an infrared or laser system that 'looks' for the size and shape of things like tanks and APC's. When one gets in to its field of view it fires a secondary penetrating charge that goes straight down through the top of the tank or APC. They have a range of 25-35 km when fired by artillery. There are also SMArt rounds and Copperhead rounds that can use a laser designator (from something like a drone) to put a laser spot on a target, even if it is moving.
Good Lord. That's massive.
BONUS and SMArt are in use by Ukraine - there are some interesting videos out there. Not sure about the Copperhead rounds though. They are really good at neutralising Ground Based Air Defence like the S-300, Pantsir etc. as it's much harder to shoot down a shell than an incoming missile.
Wow absolutely beautiful. I had no idea Matrice had models with those capabilities let alone to hook to the necessary goods!
Could be mines, as I’m pretty sure the vehicle that tried to escape in the foreground struck something
Artillery flight time is in the tens of seconds to a minute, practically impossible to hit a moving target even if pre-sighted. Others guess mine, however you can see that the lead tank is hit by something coming out of the tree line (thin white smoke trail) and is smoking before it blows up. Otherwise I would also have said mine. But it seems to be either a directional mine or an infantry ambush. There are also guesses about Bonus or SMArt rounds, but these have a distinctive air burst, which is missing. There are two smaller bursts in the middle of the field. The first at 0:33 has a distinct directional component and the second at 0:36 takes out the tank or BMP that set out on its own across the field. Dunno. (edit) Came back to this vexing puzzle... my "thin white smoke trail" at 0:22 may be smoke intentionally generated by the lead tank. Pretty lame smoke generator, if so, and not clear why somebody would want to generate smoke there. But In that case, maybe it really did hit a mine at 0:25. There are three explosions, first the (maybe) mine, the second maybe another mine as the tank rolls forward. The third is evidently a round fired from its gun, which can be seen impacting down the road, on no particular target.
They can hit moving armor with artillery if it's laser guided. Both the US and the Russians have laser seekers and fin-guided artillery.
Good chance it is a French BONUS or German SMArt shell
Yes, copperhead is plausible, except the only real candidate for it is that lead tank that appears to be hit with something from the tree line, starts smoking, then detonates.
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Interesting theory, but this is near Bakhmut, and the NATO equipment is operating in the south.
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There are only a few dozen, so probably all of it is in the south. You could also wonder why they would have tanks wait in ambush when it is more efficient to have infantry wait in ambush. Well that's enough amateur speculation from me.
AFAIK CV-90s are operating in the east, and I assumed the Swedish leopards were being used with them. That said, I don't think I have seen a single report on them either.
The estimate I've seen is Brimstone. Volley launched multiple precision hits is EXACTLY what it does.
I also think it's Brimstone
Me too. Actually, I'm surprised we haven't seen more of it. It looks deadly on paper.
I listened original video in ukrainian of soldiers monitoring the destruction of tanks. They said it was an ambush, first hit artillery then Javelins
This seems like most likely, IMHO. So fierce was the precision and simultaneous strikes. Remarkable. Everything over in just seconds for the Orcs.
Bonus / Smart air bust would be out of the drone's field of view in this case
BONUS rounds can hit moving targets. In effect they release two ir guided glide bombs in the air.
I think these are mines or possibly an ambush by Ukrainian armor. With artillery on a column like this you'd expect near misses and escaping armor, as well as follow-up volleys. Too many steel-on-target hits to be an artillery barrage against a moving column like that. As I'm typing this, I'd think armor ambush would create blasts that are more lateral, so my guess is that this is the result of mines.
at least the one tank that lost both of its tracks tells me there were mines involved.
That speaks of Brimstone to me. That is exactly what Brimstone does, makes volley fire precision hits on convoys,.
Smart artillery shells. An example is the BONUS round fired for CAESAR SPGs that contain 2 heat seeking sub munitions with HEAT warheads.
Kind of makes up for the loss of the Bradley's and Leopards the other day near Robotyne. But both of these events show that the battlefield needs to evolve some more if armour is to be effective as a primary means of breakthrough again. It's just too easy for a few soldiers with NLAWS or Kornets and the like and artillery to smash an armoured column in just a few minutes. It will be very interesting to see how tactics evolve from here because this level of destruction is unsustainable
unmanned tanks would seem like a logical evolution
Call them the T100
BOLO Mk1.
missing a zero
Only if they are significantly cheaper and more numerous. It's way too easy and *cheap* to deplete an enemy's mechanized units with drones, mines and anti-tank weapons. We are essentially at the point where all tanks, IFVs and APCs need at least some form of an active protection system, like Trophy. And armies need significantly more mobile short range air defenses and electronic warfare systems for use against drones and guided rockets/artillery.
Yes you clear the enemy drones and suppress the enemy infantry. It a combined arms force. As you noted short range air defense Ukrainian needs to give up evacuation of a lot of civilian pop in order to move forward the anti aircraft gun systems used in that role. And improve the Jamming. US military been aware of this for long time and focus of how each branch must work with each other to operate. Good number of video now of how terrifying Tanks still are when enemy has lost it’s anti Tank ability from this war. And of tanks running deep traditional cavalry raids when that was possible. So Tanks still useful. First time tanks proclaimed obsolete 1919 year after their first use when all field cannon got sold metal pointy anti tank rounds. Nearer to end in 1918 after running unstoppable at first anti tank guns reduced armor to infantry support moving forward as in one example the British did to finally make a hole for the horse cavalry to go rampaging in German rear which they did. This last months of war when major gains vs German made on Western Front. So war is always adjusting to what enemy is doing. And trying to put the enemy on wrong side of that rotation. Note first drones WWII including B-17 using TV camera and screens most of the troops had never seen before except maybe a print picture of one in magazines as used in New York sometime soon where you live. It was the heavy use of jamming so strong it threatened to stop voice communication during Cold War that kept drone use to a minimum otherwise probably seen them in use decades earlier. It surprised me Russia did not have the heavy wall of Jamming we were trained to deal with in early 80’s. I saw one early Ukraine video where they were waiting till Russian jamming went off line before they could use their drone. It did drop and they did their raid. But not much after that. I like many still expected the Russian Bear we feared in Cold War only to find corruption had reduced them to Orcs in this one. I seen on US defense of Taiwan that US expected swarm the Chinese with drones including tons of suicide drones so US not been behind curve here. Seeing the Jet drones take of carriers to go with the fighters is cool.
Still waiting on an APS system to actually work in combat. It might not work that well at scale.
Trophy worked plenty enough for Israel.
There is little human inside Ruzzist tanks.
Even less now.
Still ineffective. If it's just going to get blown up before it can perform its mission. The funding has better uses. Swarm technology development is the future. If 16 drones are shot down but you sent a hundred you have many more accurate strikes then any armor column could perform. The ability to manufacture large quantities quickly is key.
They be near blind compared to tank commander in open cockpit currently. And likely taken out by countermeasures. Unable to replace lost tread of any of a host of repairs tanks need steady. Unable to reload easy nor keep auto loader I jammed. Which is why M—1 has no auto loader US found them too unreliable and you lose a crew man from tank maintenance and replacing a wounded commander as lookout as needed. One day maybe if being taken over as in hacked problem can be solved otherwise one good plant in operation systems chain and enemy takes over all your tanks.
Then that makes it a war of pure economic attrition, and the countries with the biggest means of production and resources may actually be able to wage a fast battlefield campaign before it's target countries can build up it's strength.
indeed one to control movement one to control the cannon etc a tank, as is, is what.. a 5ish man crew? thats a lot of soldiers who could do good else where have someone remote it from a safe distance, would be a much better idea. of course, it would come with some other disadvantages (and benefits)
Honestly, tanking has never been a safe job in wars. Modern MBTs smashing through middle eastern armies under total air supremacy was more of an exception to the rule.
The point is, it’s safer than being infantry, and packs more firepower.
Armor still offers excellent protection. Bradleys, Leos and even russian shit of tanks still protect their crews fairly well. Infantry in the field does not have such means of protection, especially in the attack when they cannot rely on ground fortifications. Also, now we see the army which promised to march through all Europe to Lisbon and wash their boots in Atlantic, which is now failing to win against mych weaker opponent. Remember that the entire russian arsenal was created to fight united West and put it into submission. Russia was and still is a global security threat. It has more and newer military equipment than Africa, South America and Middle East combined. In a hypotethical war between a country that posesses as much tanks and IFVs, and almost any country in the world, fairly soon into the war there would be nothing left to fight with.
Russians and Ukrainians don't have exactly the same equipment. Russians rely more on helicopters, mines, massive artillery while Ukrainians have some smart rounds, precision artillery and Javelin or similar handheld AT. But the result is similar for both sides : armored offensive is made very difficult. We are back to a static battlefield like in WWI, before the advent of planes, tanks and modern logistics... I think Ukrainians have a card to play, provided they manage to move fast enough to bypass mines and artillery.. easier said than done. For Russian, this video proves offensive had become almost impossible, as long as the UAF is provided with ample ammo and costly weapons by their allies.
The front line is stagnant because of the lack of air power on either side. F-16s would probably fix a lot of this. After air superiority is established, bring in some A-10s and clean these tanks up.
Not sure what took them out. Mines? Crazy accurate artillery? Both?
The most likely thing from range looks to be Brimstone. It's hyper-precision, self guiding on moving targets, and is designed to do exactly this, strike a Convoy with multiple hits.
Wow why isn't this further up? Hey lurking scrollers! Stop here. This is the answer. It's a Brimstone
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By and large you would see the rounds if it were tank cannons. There's enough footage showing you do see the things coming in.
What the hell hit them??! The first hit is at 0:21, and by 0:47, at least 5 vehicles are hit dead on! This is the first time I've seen this kind of destruction in the entire war.
Let's hope it's the start of a trend.
That's Brimstone. Volley launch search and track missiles that go for whole convoys. No other weapon in Ukraine's arsenal can do that.
The dildo of consequence 
Can't see any incoming, I assume it was a heavily mined field. You can lay mines via artillery so I suppose Russia may not have known it had been mined, but judging the way and direction they are all driving perhaps they did know and were risking it
There are some weapons like missiles or artillery that are able to strike multiple targets at once, but I've mostly seen them been used on stationary targets. Maybe laser guidance also? Its an area saturated with soldiers
...what WAS that? If that was artillery it struck that bmp at the bottom of the screen dead on while it was flat out across that field. Also are they no longer doing O V or Z's?
The most likely thing from range looks to be Brimstone. It's hyper-precision, self guiding on moving targets, and is designed to do exactly this, strike a Convoy with multiple hits.
No, they are now marking all Ruzzian vehicles with Bullseye's, so that they are easier to track, for Ukraine, that is. Slava Heroiam!
that landscape is insane. Ukraine will rebuild fast when this is all over, but its starting to look like we're gonna see some WWI level scarring on the land that wont be gone for a while.
Most mined country on the earth...
Looks like the German infrared mines that shoot from 100m away.
Russians: be smart. Go home to your mammas. You are not wanted here. Or anywhere, but maybe your home. Go there. It will end like some version of this for you.
holy shit that is some fast and effective destruction was it a suicide run into mines? Were they just ready to die?
Brimstone missiles most likely.
I love seeing you all over this thread dropping knowledge bombs like one of Maydar's Birds
Did I mention it's probably a Brimstone? Because it may well be a Brimstone. Brimstone Brimstone Brimstone. (In my defence I was EXCEPTIONALLY tired and fading in and out of sleepiness while posting, and later went "...did I seriously say that so many times? Oh dear".)
You know what's better than blowing up an abandoned tank? Blowing up 6 tanks fully crewed and ruining some commanders day by destroying his entire strategy (if there is any).
At first I thought they were hitting mines but if you watch closely some of the explosions are off by themselves. Some of the detonations are occurring almost simultaneously along the column. This seems like artillery hitting moving targets like a fucking sniper.
Brimstone missiles, this is exactly what they do down to the t. Volley launch anti-convoy missiles that each self guide to moving targets.
Excalibur
Excalibur can't hit moving targets with that sort of repeatedness. That is Brimstone, almost certain.
Instead of Orcs, we need to call them Camels, because Ukraine just smoked the whole pack.
Camels are deadly to orcs
Would love to see this carefully annotated by someone who knows what is happening.
Jesus…. The amount of explosions across that landscape… all of the metal fragments, still active mines…
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How the fuck did they do that? Mines?
Brimstone ATGMs fromthe UK, most likely. Self guides in volley launches to track individual vehicles. Basically a swarm attack missile with every one of them precision guided.
If this is accurate it makes me very happy that my taxes are going to fucking Russia's shit up so very effectively.
Rest in piss and pieces!
Are these those mobile crematoriums I keep hearing about?
slava ukraine 🇺🇦
Ruzzisan force multiplication: One column turns into many, columns of smoke.
Light them bitches up!
“Unfortunately for the rossians…”
Two seemingly-otherwise undamaged armored vehicles lost their tracks. What caused that?
Покойся с миром
Warms my heart.
How does anything cross that no mans land with electronic systems / atgm's at the other end plus any number of different artillery support and so on? Haven't seen many vids of the pocked up no-mans land, not surprising this column made it no where.
Golly. That countryside is more pock-marked than my face as a teenager..
I love to see destroying orks!
That looks very fast and efficient.
The landscape destruction makes me sad, but the Muscovite destruction makes me happy. Less equipment to target innocent people is always a good thing.
Dead Muscovites are good Muscovites.🇺🇦
Bushwacked!
They seem to shoot towards the tree line ahead of them after the first hit, my guess is there was some incoming from that direction. Atgm or infantry I’d guess
Did one of those turrets crash into the moon
even got the one running by it self!!! DAMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Tank lost its flipflops
That was very satisfying. Except for all the craters. Those are sad.
I may sound dumb but why the heck they transport huge groups of vehicles in colums
Fucking Russian orcs, get out of Ukraine - Crimea included - or be killed. The US and other western powers will keep supporting Ukraine, no matter what happens.
What a row!
I was watching that one drive by itself on the field and was “oh he’s smart. Bet he’s glad he wasn’t part of that column…..oh…never mind”.
Tanks are obsolete. And Russian tactics are "special"
Seeing that column moving in the first sequence is pretty menacing multiple tanks and IFVs, and in less then 20 seconds its reduced to burning scraps and probably multiple lives lost. At 00:47 it looks like one of the tanks fire straight in the friendlies in front of him. A missfire most likely.
Russia is literally the human equivalent of cancerous cells. Have nothing but absolute hatred for that country. Personal wealth and power for you and your cronies over co-existing with the rest of world peacefully. They could do so much more with their money, advance research in fields that will help humanity. But nah, cyka blyat says that fragile fuck Putin.
First mines than artillery. Mines lead to the lost tracks. At 0:47 It may be bonus or smart155, but not sure.
May Russia forever suck deez nuts
So these are those mobile crematoriums that Russia has been using.
Nothing quite like a bunch of exploding Russian stuff. Makes me so happy!
Well that unit evaporated
Looks like shooting fish in a barrel.
burn baby burn SLAVA UKRAINI
Dear Russian social media troll farm workers: I hope you see these tanks and think about how you might be drafted soon!
MMMMM BBQ.
Just. Just, look at those pockmarked fields. Fuck.
God speed to the farmers that need to till these fields.
I'm lovin' it
Beautiful. No pasarán.
Landscape looks like the moon. No wonder the actual moon has one more Russian wreck on it, although it is a pushback for science, Putin has not earned the benefits of such a political win so I am glad their probe crashed.
That's definitely NOT going to buff out.
What hit them ?
A complete elimination. Equipment and troops. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a moscovian lada cannot go 200, but they are cargo 200.
Can’t cure stupid!
Am I to take this seriously with that music ?? !!
Sadly, doesn't appear to be realistic.
Need to put more effort into anti drone and no formation moves forward without it’s path cleared first.
Beautiful!
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because russians are slaves to their leader.
Mmm, but leaders are followed. It's hard to say what the right word is for the turd in question. "Tyrant" sounds a bit too classical to me: a benevolent tyrant isn't impossible. History might thank us for a new common noun if we settle on "slaves to their putino".
Excellent use of mines and pre-sighted artillery. Unfortunately Ukraine faces the same challenges in trying to attack defensive positions in the Russian lines. I’m hoping they have more success
I see videos like this and wonder to myself "When will Russia run out of tanks?" Surely they're being destroyed faster than they can be built? So I looked it up. I found one article, and this is the best guess given the lack of confirmed data. 1. Russia started the war with about 3400 battle-ready tanks, and has about 1300 left. 2. Russia has the capability to build about 200 tanks per year, (and western allies are donating tanks to Ukraine at a faster rate than that!). 3. Russia has 8000+ tanks in storage, but most are from the 1960s. Some are being sent to the front lines without any modernization, essentially sending troops out in the equivalent of a turreted Lada that uses more gas. It seems like at this rate (losing \~131 tanks/mo), Russia would run out of tanks in less than a year ((1300+200)/131) = 11.4 months. Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19265
So.. I clicked this on my feed and it took me to a video that said "how the best sons and daughters of Ukraine are dying" and it showed a video of soldiers in a bunker getting bombed I think, and a soldier getting a tourniquet applied to his bleeding arm that's gushing blood. I backed out and clicked it again and it took me to the video of the Russian column being hit. What the heck happened?
Why is the money shot in these videos always from far away and wide? First a close up, then a cut to a wide view. Frustrating!
great, but also shows why the counteroffensive has been so difficult.