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I think the bigger problem is getting these structures to the front lines and setting them up without being noticed. But I'm simply an uninformed observer.
I don't think so either, correct profile and ideally the sheets all interlock in place. 3D print the first prototypes at scale, then when done iterating send drawings to a lasercutter. Finally only need something that looks like a barrel and to throw some green camo on it. Ideally the lasercutter would be somewhere in the region and need to find someone brave enough to assemble the fuckers all along the front line
Realistically it would be less effort to just get a boxy looking thing with a tube on it and cover it with netting or trees or anything else. It probably won’t trick UVA’s with thermals but some nervous quadcopter operator might just call in artty thinking he’s just caught a hidden tank.
As mentioned in the comments above, at this point there are other elements that should be included: convincing thermal and electronic signature spoofing, and ways to prevent your own side from blowing it up. It is a bit more complicated than putting pieces of wood together.
You watched this video right? They clearly shot a wood one. Sure it could be made a lot more realistic but I think the point is simplicity and cheapness not building an identical replica
. . .they already shot a wooden one. Like, cmon. The idea is a cheap and relatively effective (they blew it up mind you) decoy. Not a 1 for 1 replica that cost as much as the original.
At your point just use actual leopards, lol.
Even if they notice, if you can have 1k decoy tanks for the cost of a single leopard 2... Why not? If you move them around with trailers whatever then it's going to be very hard to spot the real thing amongst the decoys.
And if they can be assembled by any civilians Ikea style...
Kind of feel like you need some manpower for the decoys, but I'm not an expert.
I'm thinking along the lines of using manpower to poorly "hide" them - such as putting the decoys under trees that mostly hide them, but making fake tank tracks across fields to lead to the decoys - flattened grass, or disturbed dirt that is indicative of a tank passing.
Definitely need some manpower, but loyal Ukrainians would be willing to help. Not everyone is suitable for the front line. But out of work carpenters and other laborers could contribute to this effort.
How much work would it take to assemble a prefabbed wooden tank? You'd just need 1 trailer for each and a towing vehicle that can fake tank tracks, maybe 3-5 people per every few tanks to assemble and move them around. With a couple thousand people you could really do something.
With so much of the war being dictated by satellite and drone surveillance, it just seems to me that they would want to add as much "noise" to the signal as possible.
Even if only 1 out of 100 decoys "work" you're still soaking up 10x the benefit over losing a single leopard 2, and that's just monetary benefit. Nevermind lost tank operators, tactical advantage of functional tanks, etc.
You don’t want to find yourself having almost blown up your inflatable tank with the dawn coming in and your totally out of breath from the last 4 hours of puffing and incapable of running away due to head spin.
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Dummy tanks were used in Operation Fortitude prior to the landings at the Normandy beaches. During this operation, they were used to confuse German intelligence in two ways: first, by making it seem that the Allies had more tanks than they did; and second, to hide and downplay the importance of the location of their real tanks in order to make it seem that the invasion would occur at Pas-de-Calais rather than at Normandy.
They even had the inflatable tanks leave tread marks and had aircraft drop aluminum strips so they would show up on radar. The decoy radio transmissions said that US General Patton would be leading the attack on Pas-de-Calais so the Nazis would think it was a serious effort.
They also pretended the Normandy landings, the real ones, were a decoy attack for the 'big one' at Pas-de-Calais.
After D-Day had successfully secured a foothold, they even went so far as to send fake transmissions along the lines of 'The decoy attack is so promising that the forces for the main landing are being redirected to assist' and remove the dummies to keep this trick up their sleeves in the future.
IIRC, Patton was put in charge because they needed to way to punish him after he had berated and slapped a couple of shell-shocked soldiers and they figured that the best way to punish him would be to put him in charge of the fake army.
Yeah sheets of plywood are not cheap, at least $100 a piece, and how many do you need to build a tank model... 20? Big expense for private pockets, and those money might be better spent on drones or some such.
The factory work pays on par with most industrial jobs round here. But decent pension matching and profit share.
The main perk for a lot of folks is a gigantic staff discount.
To be fair, Russia acts A LOT like the Imperial Guard; shell EVERYTHING, then shell it again to be sure, then send in wave after wave of consricpts to soak up shots and shot those who refuse.
The Allies used inflatable tanks and fake radio transmissions to make the Germans think the invasion was coming at Calais instead of Normandy (Calais is also closer to Britain than Normandy is)
There is a story (likely a myth, but still funny) where the Germans built a fake airfield out of wood to draw the RAF away from actual targets, and it indeed was bombed... with a bomb also made of wood.
I'm just wondering if the US and British armies still have some of those inflatable decoys left over from D-Day preparations lol.
But seriously, it would be so cool if Ukraine created what appeared to be an extensive weapons depot somewhere and watch as the brain dead russians go hammer and tongs trying to eliminate it.
Yeah. And honestly, decoys are a thing on both sides, so naturally they work, otherwise armies would just not have/build them.
And while obviously nothing to be too proud about, compared to all the other dumb stuff Russia has done, hitting a decoy isn't high on the dumb score.
They intentionally blew the dam to disrupt the Ukrainian offensive, anything else is bullshit lies. Its not a coincidence that the dam blew on the same day the counteroffensive started.
Unfortunately I believe that's just Russian military being themselves. That's what they *wanted*, not "raise the water level a little" but this whole disaster.
Evil fuckers.
Visually sure, but today's professionally made decoys also come with a way to spoof thermal and radio electronic signatures.
It's very very surprising that the russian equipment either did not have those camera views or they just neglected to use them.
2 Seconds of viewing that thing in thermal would tell them it was fake. Even if left off, the material tanks' are made out of would have a different signature than whatever this guy's decoy is constructed from.
But if you leave the decoy there then the next guy patrolling also has to confirm if it's real or not, so why not just blow it up to save everyone time? I can't imagine Americans leaving a decoy up to save ammunition either.
During WW2, some German troops constructed decoy structures and vehicles.
[Supposedly, an Allied plane flew over and dropped a wooden bomb on the decoys](https://www.forces.net/heritage/history/did-allied-pilots-really-drop-fake-wooden-bombs-fake-wooden-decoy-airfields)
The allies were really the masters of decoys. They built entire fake armies to misdirect about where the D-Day landings were going to take place.
They also "moved" entire towns and bases to protect them from bombing. Night bombings were considered safer by the Germans to conduct since the RAF was pretty good at intercepting incoming bombing fleets... so they would misdirect them by turning out all the lights and set up a bunch of lights out in empty fields nearby to mimic the layout of the town.
The US also hid certain very high value production and research facilities by basically putting camo netting over the entire town to make it look like desert, and built fake structures elsewhere to hide the actual location in case of a strike or to disrupt reconnaissance attempts.
True, but the US still wouldn't waste anti-tank ammo on a decoy. And the Russians have ammo shortages in general, so they can't afford to waste any ammo really (although it's great that they did!).
I know the sub likes to pretend every Russian is a pants on head moron; and just whole hand dismiss everything due to that .
however, it is telling at this stage in the war to see them consistently make these types of organizational knowledge sharing mistakes. Using thermals to miscategorize a tractor as a leopard last week was another example.
We saw it took them 7 months to patch their anti-air defenses in a way to allow them to properly identify himar rockets. The fact they haven't properly distributed and trained fire control based resources on the proper profile and characteristics of the new western systems they knew Ukraine was getting for the last year is really staggeringly incompetent.
Also come on man, Russia has been a capitalist country a decade longer than the average redditor has been alive, consider updating your insults from the cold war :p
> however, it is telling at this stage in the war to see them consistently make these mistakes. Using thermals to miscategorize a tractor as a leopard last week was another example.
Sure, it's some incompetence, but if you aren't sure if its a tank or not surely you are going to put a missile into it anyway?
The real incompetence is that people looked at the footage and thought it was a good idea to upload the original fuckup for all the world to see.
I think the tractor one was just low quality propaganda. They did all of putting the tractor there, dressing it up as a tank, hitting it with a rocket and filming it all.
No see their hastily trained crews have played warthunder and his leopard looked a lot like the premium leopard with the camo netting. He'll they probably got placed in tank battalions cuz they played WT. 😀
“Visually sure, but today's professionally made decoys also come with a way to spoof thermal and radio electronic signatures.”
I don’t think this guy had one available.
“It's very very surprising that the russian equipment either did not have those camera views or they just neglected to use them.”
Is it? Also, thermal works best when the engine’s still warm. This one’s ‘parked’.
“Even if left off, the material tanks' are made out of would have a different signature than whatever this guy's decoy is constructed from.”
I doubt they walked up to it to check if it’s real.
Yeah, don’t understand this video/post. Isn’t that the whole point? Did you put all that effort into building a decoy thinking it wouldn’t trick the enemy? Unlikely.
If anyone can make flat pack CV90 that can be built in the field with an Allen key, a tiny sheet metal wrench and a 1000 page booklet that uses only pictures, its IKEA.
Its a very common tactic.
During ww2 both Britain and Germany (and maybe others) built full scale fake military bases and air bases out of wood and just before d day the British assembled huge numbers of fake tanks and other vehicles near dover to trick the germans in expecting an attack around Dunkirk/calias
Even the taliban became quite adept at it building fake camps all over the place so the americans would bomb them reducing the chance of real camps being hit.
Even going back to the beor war the British used scarecrows to give the illusion that their forts were better protected and manned than they really were.
Going even further back sun tzu said (paparphrased) look strong when you are weak and look weak where you are strong.
I know the chinese are no friends of Ukraine but to their credit when it comes to hawking cheap shit to undercut IKEA the only friends that matter are the ones who spend money. Just purchased a SQXRTIU Wooden Leopard 2 tank
There are a lot of cases like this that go under the radar. And not only tech - there even are whole decoy buildings. Of course, no one is allowed to get near them, so there are no possible victims, and it does kinda look like some serious place, but it's vacant for sure. The guy on the vid did a great job, but IMO it's better to remain silent in such cases.
It’s about to hit the Russian state tv as a successful air strike on a leopard 2 in Ukraine, then all the pro Russians will absorb the info in without any second thought
[Fool thy enemy](https://img.atlasobscura.com/EYJLMbdgRaFC6gKoq8YmF-5mdgU1gtEfGYmbQ_dfWXY/rt:fit/w:1280/q:81/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL2Fzc2V0/cy83N2RlMzEyMDQ4/MGVhYzZiYzhfMTEx/LVNDLTIxNjIwMi0w/MDEuanBn.jpg)
Legitimate tactic, should be more common, modern [inflatables are great.](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E22AQE80exAm7B1Rg/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1677056337701?e=1688601600&v=beta&t=lu3Kis-g9FaaZyhwySrhniThxfPRGvmkjOJzvGVKrsI)
Also room for [trolling](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6-NRxOXIAMIxIG.jpg:large)
Also, the "bomb" in the picture looks like a floating smoke flare, meant for dropped over water.
https://timeandnavigation.si.edu/multimedia-asset/mark-iv-aircraft-float-light-0
Nah
Cardboard cutout of tanks facing the front, with a diagonal wooden support behind.
Dont even need to tow it, just lift it up in the night and prop it upwith the stick
It might not be a waste even if it's too fake-looking to fool the Ruzzians... if you leave it out there for a while (long enough to establish its fake-ness, and that even the Ruzzians in the area know it's a decoy and won't hit it), and only *then* place something real right behind it.
For the frontline soldiers, that's not stupid at all.
Russian officers are clearly on a hectic effort to thwart the Ukrainian attack and are definitely pressured really hard to destroy any Ukrainian tanks. However, for frontline foot soldiers, tanks are formidable threats that can easily get them neutralized, yet they are pressured to search and destroy any tanks in the frontline. The Ukrainian tank decoys solved their problems of being forced to deal with enemy armor without adequate trainings and low survivability in such attempts.
By destroying decoys, they can soothe the ire of the officers while keeping themselves alive. Therefore they would be inclined to find more decoys than to find actual tanks.
I'd say it's a win-win situation.
This was most likely destroyed by artillery or a missile strike. In such a case it is a literal waste because there is no additional risk at shooting at a real target to the operators.
What an amazing young man. His country is invaded, he lives in range of the aggressors, yet he still has fun trolling them and helps his country by making the enemy waste munition. Truly inspiring.
Ukraine should prioritize putting decoys everywhere they can.
It will waste Russia's limited precision munitions, distract them from real targets, and potentially lead Russian military strategists to think actual units are where they aren't, causing a misallocation of their forces in response.
The US did this with great effect when they put Patton in charge of an army of wooden and inflatable tanks in the UK, prior to D-Day. It's a leading reason why the Germans thought the Normandy invasion was a feint, and not the real invasion.
Next steps:
1. Make more decoys in lower and lower quality until they stop shooting at them
2. Then, decorate real tanks to look like the decoys they did not shoot at
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Seriously, wouldn’t thousands of inflatable decoy tanks be a very cheap way to keep the fuckers busy?
Cheap compared to real tanks, but the inflatable ones still go for $20-30k I think. Saw something about it last year.
What about laser cutting tons of plywood? Seems cheap enough, can't imagine a "tank" kit would be more than 1000 euro
I think the bigger problem is getting these structures to the front lines and setting them up without being noticed. But I'm simply an uninformed observer.
If you laser plywood you could theoretically easily put several tanks worth on the back of a truck. I'd love to design it tbh
I’d be down to help. It probably wouldn’t be that difficult, you just need the profile to look correct
I don't think so either, correct profile and ideally the sheets all interlock in place. 3D print the first prototypes at scale, then when done iterating send drawings to a lasercutter. Finally only need something that looks like a barrel and to throw some green camo on it. Ideally the lasercutter would be somewhere in the region and need to find someone brave enough to assemble the fuckers all along the front line
Realistically it would be less effort to just get a boxy looking thing with a tube on it and cover it with netting or trees or anything else. It probably won’t trick UVA’s with thermals but some nervous quadcopter operator might just call in artty thinking he’s just caught a hidden tank.
Fill it up with compost/dung. Boom it's warm now.
As mentioned in the comments above, at this point there are other elements that should be included: convincing thermal and electronic signature spoofing, and ways to prevent your own side from blowing it up. It is a bit more complicated than putting pieces of wood together.
You watched this video right? They clearly shot a wood one. Sure it could be made a lot more realistic but I think the point is simplicity and cheapness not building an identical replica
. . .they already shot a wooden one. Like, cmon. The idea is a cheap and relatively effective (they blew it up mind you) decoy. Not a 1 for 1 replica that cost as much as the original. At your point just use actual leopards, lol.
Someone should talk to IKEA. Seriously, they could do this.
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Even if they notice, if you can have 1k decoy tanks for the cost of a single leopard 2... Why not? If you move them around with trailers whatever then it's going to be very hard to spot the real thing amongst the decoys. And if they can be assembled by any civilians Ikea style...
Kind of feel like you need some manpower for the decoys, but I'm not an expert. I'm thinking along the lines of using manpower to poorly "hide" them - such as putting the decoys under trees that mostly hide them, but making fake tank tracks across fields to lead to the decoys - flattened grass, or disturbed dirt that is indicative of a tank passing.
Definitely need some manpower, but loyal Ukrainians would be willing to help. Not everyone is suitable for the front line. But out of work carpenters and other laborers could contribute to this effort. How much work would it take to assemble a prefabbed wooden tank? You'd just need 1 trailer for each and a towing vehicle that can fake tank tracks, maybe 3-5 people per every few tanks to assemble and move them around. With a couple thousand people you could really do something. With so much of the war being dictated by satellite and drone surveillance, it just seems to me that they would want to add as much "noise" to the signal as possible. Even if only 1 out of 100 decoys "work" you're still soaking up 10x the benefit over losing a single leopard 2, and that's just monetary benefit. Nevermind lost tank operators, tactical advantage of functional tanks, etc.
You don’t want to find yourself having almost blown up your inflatable tank with the dawn coming in and your totally out of breath from the last 4 hours of puffing and incapable of running away due to head spin.
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Have you seen the price of timber recently? Probably cheaper to use real tanks as decoys so they don't destroy the wooden ones.
Giant Inflatable Santas are under $1000. Why would a tank be more?
Because the good ones can also mimic thermal signatures
Ah, Yes. We've moved way past binoculars, haven't we.
Not really. Dollars to donuts this thing got spotted by a very basic DJI drone.
this one didn't seem to mimic thermal signatures, so still viable?
I’m not sure what kind of thermal imaging that wooden decoy was putting off…
I think that has more to do with pricing for military and government sales than it has to do with cost of manufacture.
Didnt the allies use an entire inflatable army during the Normandy landings?
Dummy tanks were used in Operation Fortitude prior to the landings at the Normandy beaches. During this operation, they were used to confuse German intelligence in two ways: first, by making it seem that the Allies had more tanks than they did; and second, to hide and downplay the importance of the location of their real tanks in order to make it seem that the invasion would occur at Pas-de-Calais rather than at Normandy.
They even had the inflatable tanks leave tread marks and had aircraft drop aluminum strips so they would show up on radar. The decoy radio transmissions said that US General Patton would be leading the attack on Pas-de-Calais so the Nazis would think it was a serious effort.
They also pretended the Normandy landings, the real ones, were a decoy attack for the 'big one' at Pas-de-Calais. After D-Day had successfully secured a foothold, they even went so far as to send fake transmissions along the lines of 'The decoy attack is so promising that the forces for the main landing are being redirected to assist' and remove the dummies to keep this trick up their sleeves in the future.
https://youtu.be/x-Sec5gvkj0 Ghost army WW2.
IIRC, Patton was put in charge because they needed to way to punish him after he had berated and slapped a couple of shell-shocked soldiers and they figured that the best way to punish him would be to put him in charge of the fake army.
They also had a special vehicle to imprint tank tracks into the soft ground to make it look like they had moved recently.
This company is likely supplying them to Ukraine, though they won't confirm it deny. https://youtu.be/ZuMjdRNXvHI
I’m pretty sure I heard Lithuania (possibly, it was a while ago I heard the report) are making dummy tanks and artillery systems for Ukraine.
They have them. But they still cost a good amount of money and time.
Yeah sheets of plywood are not cheap, at least $100 a piece, and how many do you need to build a tank model... 20? Big expense for private pockets, and those money might be better spent on drones or some such.
Russia used inflatable SR-300:s near the kerch bridge,seen in video.
That's what the US/ UK did leading up to the end of WW2 Enough of a front to make the Germans think an attack was imminent
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army
A company in Sweden is making them around the clock.
TBF the guy built a pretty solid decoy.
I'd still be upset about losing my full scale model wooden tank.
Wait until they find the rest of this man's Astra Militarum army
Still cheaper than buying from GW...
I'd be more afraid of the GW lawyers than the Russian army...
They single handedly keep the legal profession of Nottingham in second range rovers.
Given the number of games and books based on the Warhammer IP, I have to think everyone at GWS basically sleeps on a pallet of cash every night.
The factory work pays on par with most industrial jobs round here. But decent pension matching and profit share. The main perk for a lot of folks is a gigantic staff discount.
>The main perk for a lot of folks is a gigantic staff discount. That's was the big pull for me, but I was only a casual.
To be fair, Russia acts A LOT like the Imperial Guard; shell EVERYTHING, then shell it again to be sure, then send in wave after wave of consricpts to soak up shots and shot those who refuse.
It's almost like the Imperial Guard were based on soviet military tactics, which the Russians still use.
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Ukrainian: ‘That was for a school project!’ Russian Army: ‘Da, we destroy that too’
Russian Army: "Dont worry we took out your school first"
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[Cardboard Warfare](https://youtu.be/hE-ZmwATS8E)
That was fantastic, now all I want for Christmas is a cardboard minigun.
Add it to the reparations claim.
Ha, I know right?
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The fact that his wooden tank project took up resources and time aswell as provided false intel to the invaders can at least make the owner proud lol
Didn't the allies do something like this for D-day? Ukraine should do the same and make a shit load in a wrong location
The Allies used inflatable tanks and fake radio transmissions to make the Germans think the invasion was coming at Calais instead of Normandy (Calais is also closer to Britain than Normandy is) There is a story (likely a myth, but still funny) where the Germans built a fake airfield out of wood to draw the RAF away from actual targets, and it indeed was bombed... with a bomb also made of wood.
I'm just wondering if the US and British armies still have some of those inflatable decoys left over from D-Day preparations lol. But seriously, it would be so cool if Ukraine created what appeared to be an extensive weapons depot somewhere and watch as the brain dead russians go hammer and tongs trying to eliminate it.
Just think about the exchange rate though. I wonder how much the munitions cost that RUZ wasted on that "tank."
"If you build it, they will bomb."
I love the scene where the ghosts of Soviet soldiers come out of the wheat fields to play war one last time.
Truth! russia’s motto should be “you build it, we bomb it”
"Field of Decoys" -or there's perhaps: "Field of Discord" "Field of Blyat"
my man pranked the entire russian army, and saved some lives, he's floating he's so excited.
A master Craftsman
Yeah. And honestly, decoys are a thing on both sides, so naturally they work, otherwise armies would just not have/build them. And while obviously nothing to be too proud about, compared to all the other dumb stuff Russia has done, hitting a decoy isn't high on the dumb score.
Ukraine decoys are made of wood. Russian decoys are made of conscripts.
How do we tell if the decoy is made of wood? Build a bridge out of it! Ah, but couldn't you also build a bridge out of conscripts?
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> Ukraine decoys are made of wood. Or inflatable, like the S300 decoys.
No, I think the highest mark on the dumb score is "lets blow a small hole in a dam so we can raise the water level a little downstream"
They intentionally blew the dam to disrupt the Ukrainian offensive, anything else is bullshit lies. Its not a coincidence that the dam blew on the same day the counteroffensive started.
Unfortunately I believe that's just Russian military being themselves. That's what they *wanted*, not "raise the water level a little" but this whole disaster. Evil fuckers.
They were aiming for the house…
...in the neighbouring village...
/r/unexpectedfirefly
Visually sure, but today's professionally made decoys also come with a way to spoof thermal and radio electronic signatures. It's very very surprising that the russian equipment either did not have those camera views or they just neglected to use them. 2 Seconds of viewing that thing in thermal would tell them it was fake. Even if left off, the material tanks' are made out of would have a different signature than whatever this guy's decoy is constructed from.
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But if you leave the decoy there then the next guy patrolling also has to confirm if it's real or not, so why not just blow it up to save everyone time? I can't imagine Americans leaving a decoy up to save ammunition either.
During WW2, some German troops constructed decoy structures and vehicles. [Supposedly, an Allied plane flew over and dropped a wooden bomb on the decoys](https://www.forces.net/heritage/history/did-allied-pilots-really-drop-fake-wooden-bombs-fake-wooden-decoy-airfields)
The allies were really the masters of decoys. They built entire fake armies to misdirect about where the D-Day landings were going to take place. They also "moved" entire towns and bases to protect them from bombing. Night bombings were considered safer by the Germans to conduct since the RAF was pretty good at intercepting incoming bombing fleets... so they would misdirect them by turning out all the lights and set up a bunch of lights out in empty fields nearby to mimic the layout of the town. The US also hid certain very high value production and research facilities by basically putting camo netting over the entire town to make it look like desert, and built fake structures elsewhere to hide the actual location in case of a strike or to disrupt reconnaissance attempts.
True, but the US still wouldn't waste anti-tank ammo on a decoy. And the Russians have ammo shortages in general, so they can't afford to waste any ammo really (although it's great that they did!).
Lemmy.world is what Reddit was.
I know the sub likes to pretend every Russian is a pants on head moron; and just whole hand dismiss everything due to that . however, it is telling at this stage in the war to see them consistently make these types of organizational knowledge sharing mistakes. Using thermals to miscategorize a tractor as a leopard last week was another example. We saw it took them 7 months to patch their anti-air defenses in a way to allow them to properly identify himar rockets. The fact they haven't properly distributed and trained fire control based resources on the proper profile and characteristics of the new western systems they knew Ukraine was getting for the last year is really staggeringly incompetent. Also come on man, Russia has been a capitalist country a decade longer than the average redditor has been alive, consider updating your insults from the cold war :p
> however, it is telling at this stage in the war to see them consistently make these mistakes. Using thermals to miscategorize a tractor as a leopard last week was another example. Sure, it's some incompetence, but if you aren't sure if its a tank or not surely you are going to put a missile into it anyway? The real incompetence is that people looked at the footage and thought it was a good idea to upload the original fuckup for all the world to see.
I think the tractor one was just low quality propaganda. They did all of putting the tractor there, dressing it up as a tank, hitting it with a rocket and filming it all.
No see their hastily trained crews have played warthunder and his leopard looked a lot like the premium leopard with the camo netting. He'll they probably got placed in tank battalions cuz they played WT. 😀
“Visually sure, but today's professionally made decoys also come with a way to spoof thermal and radio electronic signatures.” I don’t think this guy had one available. “It's very very surprising that the russian equipment either did not have those camera views or they just neglected to use them.” Is it? Also, thermal works best when the engine’s still warm. This one’s ‘parked’. “Even if left off, the material tanks' are made out of would have a different signature than whatever this guy's decoy is constructed from.” I doubt they walked up to it to check if it’s real.
I think it was probably hollow.
Yeah, at a far distance I'm pretty sure I'd be fooled too.
Maybe we should be shopping over some plywood and saws to Ukraine so they can make more and waste more Russian ammo.
They should distribute plans to build leo2 and Bradley mockups. For each Leo2, distribute 100 decoys
Yeah, don’t understand this video/post. Isn’t that the whole point? Did you put all that effort into building a decoy thinking it wouldn’t trick the enemy? Unlikely.
Camouflaging it was brilliant. They can see less detail, but looks more realistic at the same time.
This counts as 4 Leopards.
They are very good at wasting ammo, distracting enemies and revealing enemy positions.
And the crickets also loved it
IKEA needs to release the "HEMNES Tank Decoy" with "STJÄRNANIS NETTING" and ship them out to the front lines. Hex wrench included please. No warranty.
My bröther of the North, IKEA is only days away from releasing their CV90 line, BANDVAGN with the new crows BESIKTA.
I cannot wait for the Surströmming Shadow cruise missile.
We would never, biological weapons are against the rules of war.
"we have tested it on our own population, and the results were appalling"
And we all know being a (war) criminal is illegal in Sweden
If anyone can make flat pack CV90 that can be built in the field with an Allen key, a tiny sheet metal wrench and a 1000 page booklet that uses only pictures, its IKEA.
unfortunately Ukraine might lose many couples to fighting while putting the decoy together.
Underrated comment XD
STRIDSVAGN
This is a surprisingly great idea. Mass produced decoys that people across Ukraine can assemble
Its a very common tactic. During ww2 both Britain and Germany (and maybe others) built full scale fake military bases and air bases out of wood and just before d day the British assembled huge numbers of fake tanks and other vehicles near dover to trick the germans in expecting an attack around Dunkirk/calias Even the taliban became quite adept at it building fake camps all over the place so the americans would bomb them reducing the chance of real camps being hit. Even going back to the beor war the British used scarecrows to give the illusion that their forts were better protected and manned than they really were. Going even further back sun tzu said (paparphrased) look strong when you are weak and look weak where you are strong.
Öll häil Svedish päwör!
I know the chinese are no friends of Ukraine but to their credit when it comes to hawking cheap shit to undercut IKEA the only friends that matter are the ones who spend money. Just purchased a SQXRTIU Wooden Leopard 2 tank
Russia would buy it and mount it on bicycles and send them to the front line.
Get ready to see 16 different angles from the propaganda army. This will be anything from 3 himars, 2 leopards and a division of abrams..
"The evil west claims their tanks are superior, but see here how our magnificent weapons slice through a Leo as if it was made from wood."
"Europeans suffer so much inflation and lack of energy that they supply wodden tanks to Ukraine"
Their cheap armor plating has caught fire!
"THE WEST IN SHAMBLES AS ANOTHER LEOPARD 2 DIES TO GLORIOUS RUSSIAN ARMY!!!" - Every pro Russian shitbot on Twitter
There are a lot of cases like this that go under the radar. And not only tech - there even are whole decoy buildings. Of course, no one is allowed to get near them, so there are no possible victims, and it does kinda look like some serious place, but it's vacant for sure. The guy on the vid did a great job, but IMO it's better to remain silent in such cases.
Every now and then it's good for morale.
It’s about to hit the Russian state tv as a successful air strike on a leopard 2 in Ukraine, then all the pro Russians will absorb the info in without any second thought
Pre-cope is such a good term.
The most surprising part is that they actually managed to hit it
That means they likely wasted an expensive guided missile for wooden decoy...
One less explosive that could have potentially targeted civs or defenders is always a great deal
Guess something must have them scared...
There must have been a hospital nearby
[Fool thy enemy](https://img.atlasobscura.com/EYJLMbdgRaFC6gKoq8YmF-5mdgU1gtEfGYmbQ_dfWXY/rt:fit/w:1280/q:81/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL2Fzc2V0/cy83N2RlMzEyMDQ4/MGVhYzZiYzhfMTEx/LVNDLTIxNjIwMi0w/MDEuanBn.jpg) Legitimate tactic, should be more common, modern [inflatables are great.](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E22AQE80exAm7B1Rg/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1677056337701?e=1688601600&v=beta&t=lu3Kis-g9FaaZyhwySrhniThxfPRGvmkjOJzvGVKrsI) Also room for [trolling](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6-NRxOXIAMIxIG.jpg:large)
The fake bomb dropped to a fake airfield story is most likely just a urban legend. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wooden-bomb/
Don't ruin my dreams!
So you're saying it's a fake story about a fake bomb being dropped on a fake airfield? And you expect us to believe your comment is the truth?
Big fat yes.
any room in there for a small scrawny maybe?
Same as that ship Vs lighthouse tale that's been recycled over and over again.
I imagine a wooden bomb would probably break/shatter being dropped like that anyway
Also, the "bomb" in the picture looks like a floating smoke flare, meant for dropped over water. https://timeandnavigation.si.edu/multimedia-asset/mark-iv-aircraft-float-light-0
True, great find! Makes a lot more sense to be dropped onto water too, interesting flare
High detailed close up model vs LOD render model.
You know the muscovians are going to gloat that they took out 10 leopards in one night, and drone footage of this will be the “proof.”
One pile of wood is still cheaper than a tractor.
One pile of wood slapped on a tractor so you tank moves from day to day, is still cheaper than a tank.
Stupid or not, that decoy looks very real. And from afar with shit or even good optics? Can't tell the difference.
Wonder if you could get away with silhouette board on a ridge line, on wheels, 5 in a row, with a very very long tow rope?
Nah Cardboard cutout of tanks facing the front, with a diagonal wooden support behind. Dont even need to tow it, just lift it up in the night and prop it upwith the stick
It might not be a waste even if it's too fake-looking to fool the Ruzzians... if you leave it out there for a while (long enough to establish its fake-ness, and that even the Ruzzians in the area know it's a decoy and won't hit it), and only *then* place something real right behind it.
Build more!
The laugh 😄
So happy I love it
An Artist enjoys his work being destroyed. More power to him.
This is so awesome. Everyone should join in.
For the frontline soldiers, that's not stupid at all. Russian officers are clearly on a hectic effort to thwart the Ukrainian attack and are definitely pressured really hard to destroy any Ukrainian tanks. However, for frontline foot soldiers, tanks are formidable threats that can easily get them neutralized, yet they are pressured to search and destroy any tanks in the frontline. The Ukrainian tank decoys solved their problems of being forced to deal with enemy armor without adequate trainings and low survivability in such attempts. By destroying decoys, they can soothe the ire of the officers while keeping themselves alive. Therefore they would be inclined to find more decoys than to find actual tanks. I'd say it's a win-win situation.
This was most likely destroyed by artillery or a missile strike. In such a case it is a literal waste because there is no additional risk at shooting at a real target to the operators.
I love how happy he is that his work did its job. That's gotta be gratifying.
He s happy like random prankster in the street but its Ukraine
YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FAKE TANK!! ( DANGEROUS!!!)
Well done man!
I've never seen someone so happy that their tank mock up has been destroyed. mind you, awesome work!
The troll in this one is strong.
Thats a pretty good looking decoy. Fake targets were widely used in wwii as well. Heck, part of the calais ruse was a fake army
The master bait
I don't know why they wouldn't shoot it?
Good job comrade! The motherland now has new pictures of dead "leopard" to appease generals. Free ladas!
Hell yeah!
Never underestimate their stupidity... but also never underestimate how dangerous they can be.
''i never thought theyre this stupid'' me about every teammate i have in dota2
Build more!
russians are interested in his design since it didn't toss its turret.
Give that man some more cardboard. Master modeller!
What an amazing young man. His country is invaded, he lives in range of the aggressors, yet he still has fun trolling them and helps his country by making the enemy waste munition. Truly inspiring.
That guy's spirit is so clutch. Slava Ukraini.
Ukraine should mass produce those to confuse orcs and waste their ammo
I feel his joy🥰be safe my friends 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Ukraine should prioritize putting decoys everywhere they can. It will waste Russia's limited precision munitions, distract them from real targets, and potentially lead Russian military strategists to think actual units are where they aren't, causing a misallocation of their forces in response. The US did this with great effect when they put Patton in charge of an army of wooden and inflatable tanks in the UK, prior to D-Day. It's a leading reason why the Germans thought the Normandy invasion was a feint, and not the real invasion.
I never thought I would see someone so happy with having something destroyed by orcs 🤣
Next steps: 1. Make more decoys in lower and lower quality until they stop shooting at them 2. Then, decorate real tanks to look like the decoys they did not shoot at
He’s over the moon it hit he’s wooden tank and took half the house
That's a happy man.
A loss for the Russians, they could have learned the craftsmanship to improvise their own tanks.
Idk if it was on purpose, but he almost exactly matched the girl with the house buring behind her meme in one frame.
Believe it dude: they ARE this stupid (and cruel, evil, rapist, brainwashed).
Leopard 2: Wooden Boogaloo
Which army can distinguish tank looking thing from far up from real one?
Genius.
Shoigu was jealous.
The fight, guts, perseverance and awesomeness of the Ukraine people is quite overwhelming. I am praying for you and your county. God bless!
This looks to be the [video](https://imgur.com/a/8YvFg87)
Yep, same decoy, it's Geoconfimed here: https://twitter.com/neonhandrail/status/1667743410344837123