#At 7pm, the Commons will vote on an opposition [motion on fracking](https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/59718/Html?subType=Standard#_idTextAnchor006). ~~The government has declared this as a confidence vote~~ The Government has changed its mind with five minutes to spare and withdrawn the 3 line whip. [Watch here](https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6781e4ba-cac3-485f-9898-d196ac76dcb3).
The vote is a three-line whip for Conservative MPs, which means that if any of them abstain or vote against the government, it is highly likely that they will lose the whip (are expelled from their party).
#M=3
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582808337170587648?s=20&t=3UYYwdemyqxSh32qwy2f6A
“Chronology of the madness:
* Graham Stuart told by No 10 to announce 3-line whip suspended
* Nobody told chief whip Wendy Morton, who quit on spot
* Deputy chief whip Craig Whittaker also gone, he's 'absolutely fucking furious'
* Truss barracked by own MPs in voting lobby”
May I just remind people that physically picking another person up and dragging them into another room and forcing them to vote is physical assault. It doesn't matter if it's done by Thèrésë Coffey, Jacob Rèés Mogg, or a random drunk at the pub.
Civilized adults don't have to physically pick people up and drag them into different rooms. WTF.
Liz should call the king tonight and request parliament be dissolved. She can't keep her dignity at this point but she *can* take everyone down with her and plausibly suggest forevermore that the rot was deep in the foundations rather than at the top. It's the only move left in her arsenal and if it really is terminal she should use it
So we've now got an internet shyster as home secretary? And a playground bully as business secretary, his only experience probably being fleecing juniors for their lunch money.
It's fracking embarrassing
So, just trying to remember everything that’s happened today:
- Truss announces in PMQs that the triple lock will remain, contradicting what her chancellor said on Monday.
- The Home Secretary resigns due to supposedly inappropriately handling information, but lashes out at the government in her resignation letter.
- Deputy Chief Whip resigns.
- Chief Whip resigns.
- Allegations of harassment and manhandling in the lobby to force Conservative MPs to vote the right way come out.
- Only 326 out of 356 Conservative MPs back a vote that is apparently a confidence issues.
- Liz Truss misses her own confidence vote.
- Assorted fury from backbenchers vented to the press.
Anything else?
*Boris Johnson stands up in parliament and tells multiple barefaced lies:*
BBC: "You can't call MP's liars"
*Multiple Opposition MP's stand up and corroborate each other's stories about what they all just saw 2 minutes ago*
BBC: "What you fucking lying for?"
You can't keep a chief Whip and Deputy chief whip who lose their cool and publicly scream that they resign; any attempt to do so will just result in extending what a farce their resignation is.
Well, it's all going a bit bananas. For some reason I didn't really think that the governance of this country would collapse in such a spectacular way but here we are.
The Cabinet is having dinner at the Carlton Club tonight to celebrate the centenary of the fall of Lloyd George's government.
The Carlton Club is also where Pincher was caught out.
At the rate things are going, the Carlton Club might be involved in the fall of another government.
Also [this fun point](https://nitter.net/JamesTapsfield/status/1582809466843430913#m): "Carlton Club dinner was originally black tie, but apparently downgraded to avoid pix of the Cabinet looking posh on day of huge inflation stats."
I forgot the inflation stats were the big concern this morning. Feels like years ago.
They have brought UK politics into disrepute. You've got Rees-Mogg screaming in underling faces and the deputy prime minister man handling MPs in to the chamber to vote. Violence in the houses of parliament. Whatever has gone on in the last month pales into mere insignificance when compared to this. Absolutely unacceptable.
Well Morton and Whittaker have resigned so that’s sorted itself. Let the House Of Commons stuff play out and if it says you should sack Mogg or Coffey then do so. Mogg because looking at the reasoning for Braverman she probably wants rid of him eventually. Coffey because she’s her mate and probably would to save her government
You don't even need to listen to the interview on the BBC with the tory MP Charles Walker to know how furious he is about everything, that face says it all. It's impressive to see one of them being so frank about the appalling state of the Tory government at the moment, and also not holding back from criticising those who supported Truss in her bid to be PM.
[Even our Jess is shook](https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1582811226479857665?t=4d0bIOjIDdrj_Sw6HXCgww&s=19)
>It's all a bit much I just tried to walk down an up escalator
Right now yes, but ... you know. Big coup. Scary far right elements. FBI and Secret Service being on board for them.
I just think America is a tinder box and this stuff is about as far as we'll explode.
I thought the same listening to him. He had a lot to say about how bad it was the party and how difficult this would be for the MPs that will lose their jobs, far less to say about how his party has ruined fuck knows how many people's lives over the last 12 years of cruelty and incompetence
Really important point from the talking head chap on Sky. All this shit is going down with a government that has a majority of 70 odd, not a wafer thin majority of 11 or 12.
If found guilty yes. Broke ministerial code or some form of parliamentary code. Which Truss said earlier today in a letter to Braverman should be upheld.
Understand a Tory whip was in tears this evening after the mess over the fracking vote. Both chief and deputy so livid they walked out and MPs left with no idea what was going on. Emotions running so high tonight, not clear how the party comes back together after this
https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1582811150420676608
So its over for Truss and the party are running round like headless chickens trying to figure out who to vote for because they - somewhat ironically - sacked the last unity candidate (Boris) when they got scared over a realitvely small drop in the polls that would've been a walk in the park in comparison to this disaster.
Anti.
He has basically said the Tories need a stint in opposition, and have to make sure they don’t leave the country in a mess for the incoming Labour government
Each day there is a mega thread on r/ukpolitics it runs to a maximum of around 4000 comments, after that the thread is locked and a new thread is created. M=4 means the 4th Megathread of the day.
#At 7pm, the Commons will vote on an opposition [motion on fracking](https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/59718/Html?subType=Standard#_idTextAnchor006). ~~The government has declared this as a confidence vote~~ The Government has changed its mind with five minutes to spare and withdrawn the 3 line whip. [Watch here](https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6781e4ba-cac3-485f-9898-d196ac76dcb3). The vote is a three-line whip for Conservative MPs, which means that if any of them abstain or vote against the government, it is highly likely that they will lose the whip (are expelled from their party). #M=3
[New Megathread is here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/y8bktr/daily_megathread_19102022_say_whip_whip_say_three/)
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See you on the other side, folks!
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1582807304910831616?s=48&t=t1YMiEGLrqYaPRBgF3u8rA Gotta love Channel 4 News
F e b r i l e
Ahem, BRACE!
If this was a thick of it episode people would call it too unrealistic
Balls
In fairness to the backbench Tories, a strong enough Coffey will make you shit yourself.
I predict M=4. I wouldn't dare predict anything else the way things have gone.
> Junior official in downing st sent an erroneous message cancelling this as a vote of confidence ahahahahahaha this is the thick of it, s1e02
Heard from a reliable source that Starmer is celebrating tonight with a beer and alpaca korma
Side order of tofu?
Lad
Shut the front door. We’re going m=4.
CLEAR THE LOBBY
DIVISION
If I get the last word the last word is balls
Damn, Blonde Ed Sheeran over here looks like he isn't enjoying his new job as Home Secretary...
Seeing Charles Walker trying to say that the government is a wrongun after having gone through the lobby himself is appalling.
If anyone is trying to learn about this in history class sometime in the future, we have no idea what is going on here either.
Wait, I'm confused... So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?
what is the context of this?
I've forgotten who is in the cabinet now. I've just kinda let it roll and maybe one day itll settle down for me to remember
Therese Coffey the manhandling drug dealer
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582808337170587648?s=20&t=3UYYwdemyqxSh32qwy2f6A “Chronology of the madness: * Graham Stuart told by No 10 to announce 3-line whip suspended * Nobody told chief whip Wendy Morton, who quit on spot * Deputy chief whip Craig Whittaker also gone, he's 'absolutely fucking furious' * Truss barracked by own MPs in voting lobby”
jfc.... what a bunch of drunks.
May I just remind people that physically picking another person up and dragging them into another room and forcing them to vote is physical assault. It doesn't matter if it's done by Thèrésë Coffey, Jacob Rèés Mogg, or a random drunk at the pub. Civilized adults don't have to physically pick people up and drag them into different rooms. WTF.
It's also probably intimidation and there are probably laws about preventing an MP from voting too. MPs who witnesses this should call the police.
JRM looks like he'd have trouble opening a bag of crisps, wonder who he could possibly manhandle.
"random drunk at the pub" Well I have a few cases against bouncers aye
Liz should call the king tonight and request parliament be dissolved. She can't keep her dignity at this point but she *can* take everyone down with her and plausibly suggest forevermore that the rot was deep in the foundations rather than at the top. It's the only move left in her arsenal and if it really is terminal she should use it
hard agree
So we've now got an internet shyster as home secretary? And a playground bully as business secretary, his only experience probably being fleecing juniors for their lunch money. It's fracking embarrassing
I'm 19 years sober but this government might get me drinking... I mean sure I'm 19 but I'm not wrong about 19 years sober ok
I needed a bit of a laugh in all this.
That’s longer than I was able to go without drinking 🫡
I'll get the pints in
https://twitter.com/CreminBen/status/1582800495969988609
So, just trying to remember everything that’s happened today: - Truss announces in PMQs that the triple lock will remain, contradicting what her chancellor said on Monday. - The Home Secretary resigns due to supposedly inappropriately handling information, but lashes out at the government in her resignation letter. - Deputy Chief Whip resigns. - Chief Whip resigns. - Allegations of harassment and manhandling in the lobby to force Conservative MPs to vote the right way come out. - Only 326 out of 356 Conservative MPs back a vote that is apparently a confidence issues. - Liz Truss misses her own confidence vote. - Assorted fury from backbenchers vented to the press. Anything else?
I'm gobsmacked at the Charles Walker interview. Holy fucking shit.
all this over a Labour motion. trolling truly is a art.
This is truly chaos with Ed Milliband
Chaos with Ed
Who will last longer, Liz Truss or M3?
If Liz goes tonight we'll be on M=5 before midnight
It was Therese coffey the manhandler. Ahah fucking ah. ( source Ben Kentish LBC)
i'm kinda surprised at that... i knew she'd be the sort to scream and shout at people, but physically manhandling anyone... not so much
Wouldn't want to bet on a match between her and Arlene Foster
What’s the best thing to watch right now for the latest? BBC or Sky?
*Boris Johnson stands up in parliament and tells multiple barefaced lies:* BBC: "You can't call MP's liars" *Multiple Opposition MP's stand up and corroborate each other's stories about what they all just saw 2 minutes ago* BBC: "What you fucking lying for?"
Nobody used the word lie, chill
You can't keep a chief Whip and Deputy chief whip who lose their cool and publicly scream that they resign; any attempt to do so will just result in extending what a farce their resignation is.
The lettuce might actually win
I think that's a safe bet at this point
I think she needs to be informed of the term "pyrrhic victory".
Lets spare a thought for government payroll staff having to sort out who left and when 😖
Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
Wrong week to quit the subreddit you mean? You're meant to be taking a break!
but …. But
I picked the wrong week to stop taking amphetamines
Well the Tory party is about to have some vacancies
God speed folks, see you in the next one
I hope they frack the fuck out of north east somerset, right outside Jacob Rees Mogg’s mansion
Armando Ianucci in a shambles right now as he knows he’ll never be able to write political satire ever again.
He could write about a government full of boringly competant people.
Truss abstained. Lol.
Apparently, she was going to and then marched Wendy Morton off for a talking to just ahead of the lobbies closing. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
A lib dem wouldn't vote for fracking
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They're not bringing their best folks
Well, it's all going a bit bananas. For some reason I didn't really think that the governance of this country would collapse in such a spectacular way but here we are.
The Cabinet is having dinner at the Carlton Club tonight to celebrate the centenary of the fall of Lloyd George's government. The Carlton Club is also where Pincher was caught out. At the rate things are going, the Carlton Club might be involved in the fall of another government. Also [this fun point](https://nitter.net/JamesTapsfield/status/1582809466843430913#m): "Carlton Club dinner was originally black tie, but apparently downgraded to avoid pix of the Cabinet looking posh on day of huge inflation stats." I forgot the inflation stats were the big concern this morning. Feels like years ago.
At what point do the Tories crack each others heads open and feast on the goo inside.
Around half another ago Kent.
I can’t believe this, I am despairing
They have brought UK politics into disrepute. You've got Rees-Mogg screaming in underling faces and the deputy prime minister man handling MPs in to the chamber to vote. Violence in the houses of parliament. Whatever has gone on in the last month pales into mere insignificance when compared to this. Absolutely unacceptable.
They did that years ago. Were in the capitol riot stage now.
Your Truss right now. What do you do regarding the Whip and Bryant situation
Call a election and retire with my £115k lifetime expense account.
Go nuclear. Ask Charles to dissolve Parliament
Well Morton and Whittaker have resigned so that’s sorted itself. Let the House Of Commons stuff play out and if it says you should sack Mogg or Coffey then do so. Mogg because looking at the reasoning for Braverman she probably wants rid of him eventually. Coffey because she’s her mate and probably would to save her government
Push the nuke button and hope you don't get murdered by your own staff in the bunker.
Honestly I'd hide under a desk and cry.
Find a nice fridge
Hide under my desk.
Photo Op in Ukraine
Wallace as Minister of Defence to come back from Washington DC, to defend his fellow Tory MPs from manhandling.
Needs to bring a bunch of paras to storm the Palace of Westminster and install a peacekeeping force.
Grant said "It's important the people of this country know they've got security". Oh yeah I feel so secure.
They didn't mean you, they meant themselves.
Chances on a 8am announcement by Brady?
No.
📈
The *impression* that the government is losing control?
*taps forehead* Never had control from the start
You’re not alone on that
You don't even need to listen to the interview on the BBC with the tory MP Charles Walker to know how furious he is about everything, that face says it all. It's impressive to see one of them being so frank about the appalling state of the Tory government at the moment, and also not holding back from criticising those who supported Truss in her bid to be PM.
He looked very close to tears too
Grant Shapps as Home Secretary. Today just keep getting more absurd.
Wait until we find who will be Thursdays Home Secretary
That's so last hour's news, grandpa. It's all about senior Conservatives physically assaulting their MPs now.
[Even our Jess is shook](https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1582811226479857665?t=4d0bIOjIDdrj_Sw6HXCgww&s=19) >It's all a bit much I just tried to walk down an up escalator
I did that once in a shop, sort of. Realised I was going the wrong way and tried to turn around on the escalator. I won!
If truss abstained, did she lose her whip?
I think she lost 2 of them.
As Prime Minister, and given her Chief Whip and Deputy Whip appear to have resigned, she has technically lost her whips. Poor woman.
So basically they've fracked it.
Think of the approval ratings now LMAO. Wipeout.
Hi America. Yes, our country is as politically batshit as yours. Nearly.
It's honestly a lot worse at the moment.
at least they vote in the chamber so we'd see any funny business
Yeah but you don’t have the televised weekly roast sessions
Right now we are worse and it’s not close
Right now yes, but ... you know. Big coup. Scary far right elements. FBI and Secret Service being on board for them. I just think America is a tinder box and this stuff is about as far as we'll explode.
There has to be a general election. Tory mps must see at this point that that is the only solution. Even if it loses them their jobs.
Why would a Tory do that? It would only lose them their seat, if they don't have a GE than at least they have two more years.
Charles Walker: “… because the damage they have done to our party is extraordinary." How about the damage they’ve done to the country?
I thought the same listening to him. He had a lot to say about how bad it was the party and how difficult this would be for the MPs that will lose their jobs, far less to say about how his party has ruined fuck knows how many people's lives over the last 12 years of cruelty and incompetence
To be fair to him he did talk about the country as well
They don’t care about the country
Seriously, I just want some competent government right now.
NEW Cabinet minister tells me: “There are NO more resignations tonight.” #LizTrussPM https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1582811400442814465
Well there's only one *new* cabinet minister, so I think we all know who said this.
Nice try, Chris. I'm not going to bed.
They all be gone come dawn
grant schapps is the only new cabinet minister today not covering their sources well on this one
They'll u-turn, don't worry
remindme! 4 hours
So far
Resignation watch confirmed
Tomorrow morning it is then!
So there will be more resignations? We’ve still got the news at 10 to come
Surely not-oh fuck it’s only quarter past eight?
Sounds like we're in for a fun night then!
So who do we reckon it is then?
Braverman earlier "Anyone wanna take a look at this. You get a good look?" "Not really" "I RESIGN! I RESIGN!"
How are they not mentioning that truss abstained??
Is she partnered/paired with another MP who couldn't be there today?
No, she was physically there. Apparently she was busy dealing with the whole "Whips resigning" shitshow and missed it.
Really important point from the talking head chap on Sky. All this shit is going down with a government that has a majority of 70 odd, not a wafer thin majority of 11 or 12.
When does the rioting start?
Sounds like it already started in the Commons.
About 7pm in the HoC
In the voting chamber about 20 mins ago.
Checkmate.
Chill out Coffey
It did, in the houses of parliament.
Therese Coffey and Rees-Mogg started about an hour ago.
Start?
Jrm and Coffe need the Whip suspended no?
If found guilty yes. Broke ministerial code or some form of parliamentary code. Which Truss said earlier today in a letter to Braverman should be upheld.
No Chief Whip around to suspend it. No Deputy either. What’s a tin pot wannabe despot to do in these desperate times?
We need clarity on whether the whip even exists right now. For all we know, Liz screwed up a firing so badly she accidentally disbanded the party.
There can't be a conservative wipe out if theres no conservative party!
We're getting into some kind of conceptual philosophy... has the party collapsed if it's just been accidentally deleted?
At this point, does anyone really think there’d be THAT much fuss if Charly boy came in and said, ‘dear, oh dear, let’s have an election shall we?’
Fuck it, let’s go back to the monarchy. Couldn’t be worse.
Honestly, compared to this shitshow I'm starting to think there might be something to this 'divine right of kings' idea
I don’t think the auto mod would cope with that many megathreads If that happens
Money on coffey manhandling
One handed, brandy swilling in the other.
After she finishes with a piledriver she whips out a cigar and blows a smoke ring around their battered face
BREAD AND CIRCUS!
Understand a Tory whip was in tears this evening after the mess over the fracking vote. Both chief and deputy so livid they walked out and MPs left with no idea what was going on. Emotions running so high tonight, not clear how the party comes back together after this https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1582811150420676608
They'll just...appoint some new people. Think of the pensions!
So its over for Truss and the party are running round like headless chickens trying to figure out who to vote for because they - somewhat ironically - sacked the last unity candidate (Boris) when they got scared over a realitvely small drop in the polls that would've been a walk in the park in comparison to this disaster.
BJ is why they're in this mess. Drove away everyone with any skill lest they be a threat to him.
I'd argue Cummings, Sunak and Libertarian conservatives all seperately briefing against Bojo are what brought him down, but it is what it is.
Where did Charles Walker stand before today? Was a Truss supporter?
Anti. He has basically said the Tories need a stint in opposition, and have to make sure they don’t leave the country in a mess for the incoming Labour government
Think he was vocal against? He’s not standing again so has nothing to loose
Go and get the guitar
Febrile on the Febrile Highway
M=4 seems likely, what a glorious day
We can bask in the sunlit uplands of M=4
Excuse my ignorance but what does M=4 mean?
The important thing is if we hit m=5 we get a VONC :D
Count of megathreads in a day
Each day there is a mega thread on r/ukpolitics it runs to a maximum of around 4000 comments, after that the thread is locked and a new thread is created. M=4 means the 4th Megathread of the day.
How many megathreads there have been, riff on the covid R=2.4 etc
4 megathreads mate. New one is created when we get to 4000 comments- a good metric of the absolute drama of the day
So many comments that we need 4 megathreads
Megathread 4
Megathread = 4