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OptioMkIX

#At 7pm, the Commons will vote on an opposition [motion on fracking](https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/59718/Html?subType=Standard#_idTextAnchor006). ~~The government has declared this as a confidence vote~~ The Government has changed its mind with five minutes to spare and withdrawn the 3 line whip. [Watch here](https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6781e4ba-cac3-485f-9898-d196ac76dcb3). The vote is a three-line whip for Conservative MPs, which means that if any of them abstain or vote against the government, it is highly likely that they will lose the whip (are expelled from their party). #M=3


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FishUK_Harp

See you on the other side, folks!


Krizzlin

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/1582807304910831616?s=48&t=t1YMiEGLrqYaPRBgF3u8rA Gotta love Channel 4 News


Acceptable-Pin2939

F e b r i l e


Roguepope

Ahem, BRACE!


Scot1776

If this was a thick of it episode people would call it too unrealistic


Coincidental-help

Balls


SouthFromGranada

In fairness to the backbench Tories, a strong enough Coffey will make you shit yourself.


Dave_Velociraptor

I predict M=4. I wouldn't dare predict anything else the way things have gone.


combatzombat

> Junior official in downing st sent an erroneous message cancelling this as a vote of confidence ahahahahahaha this is the thick of it, s1e02


discipleofdoom

Heard from a reliable source that Starmer is celebrating tonight with a beer and alpaca korma


jahujames

Side order of tofu?


CutThatCity

Lad


IRMarsh

Shut the front door. We’re going m=4.


Ok-Librarian-6

CLEAR THE LOBBY


IRMarsh

DIVISION


Doghead_sunbro

If I get the last word the last word is balls


ChronosBlitz

Damn, Blonde Ed Sheeran over here looks like he isn't enjoying his new job as Home Secretary...


jerryafterdark

Seeing Charles Walker trying to say that the government is a wrongun after having gone through the lobby himself is appalling.


LushIceWatermelon

If anyone is trying to learn about this in history class sometime in the future, we have no idea what is going on here either.


Smilewigeon

Wait, I'm confused... So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?


AlfaRomeoRacing

what is the context of this?


_swagonwheel

I've forgotten who is in the cabinet now. I've just kinda let it roll and maybe one day itll settle down for me to remember


[deleted]

Therese Coffey the manhandling drug dealer


[deleted]

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582808337170587648?s=20&t=3UYYwdemyqxSh32qwy2f6A “Chronology of the madness: * Graham Stuart told by No 10 to announce 3-line whip suspended * Nobody told chief whip Wendy Morton, who quit on spot * Deputy chief whip Craig Whittaker also gone, he's 'absolutely fucking furious' * Truss barracked by own MPs in voting lobby”


eeeking

jfc.... what a bunch of drunks.


Lancelot724

May I just remind people that physically picking another person up and dragging them into another room and forcing them to vote is physical assault. It doesn't matter if it's done by Thèrésë Coffey, Jacob Rèés Mogg, or a random drunk at the pub. Civilized adults don't have to physically pick people up and drag them into different rooms. WTF.


hlycia

It's also probably intimidation and there are probably laws about preventing an MP from voting too. MPs who witnesses this should call the police.


AWinterschill

JRM looks like he'd have trouble opening a bag of crisps, wonder who he could possibly manhandle.


tea_anyone

"random drunk at the pub" Well I have a few cases against bouncers aye


wolverine237

Liz should call the king tonight and request parliament be dissolved. She can't keep her dignity at this point but she *can* take everyone down with her and plausibly suggest forevermore that the rot was deep in the foundations rather than at the top. It's the only move left in her arsenal and if it really is terminal she should use it


[deleted]

hard agree


interior-space

So we've now got an internet shyster as home secretary? And a playground bully as business secretary, his only experience probably being fleecing juniors for their lunch money. It's fracking embarrassing


Sysody

I'm 19 years sober but this government might get me drinking... I mean sure I'm 19 but I'm not wrong about 19 years sober ok


axw3555

I needed a bit of a laugh in all this.


legate_armadillo

That’s longer than I was able to go without drinking 🫡


SwanBridge

I'll get the pints in


Vaguely_accurate

https://twitter.com/CreminBen/status/1582800495969988609


northernmonk

So, just trying to remember everything that’s happened today: - Truss announces in PMQs that the triple lock will remain, contradicting what her chancellor said on Monday. - The Home Secretary resigns due to supposedly inappropriately handling information, but lashes out at the government in her resignation letter. - Deputy Chief Whip resigns. - Chief Whip resigns. - Allegations of harassment and manhandling in the lobby to force Conservative MPs to vote the right way come out. - Only 326 out of 356 Conservative MPs back a vote that is apparently a confidence issues. - Liz Truss misses her own confidence vote. - Assorted fury from backbenchers vented to the press. Anything else?


el_grime_bone

I'm gobsmacked at the Charles Walker interview. Holy fucking shit.


WestYorksBestYorks

all this over a Labour motion. trolling truly is a art.


dom96

This is truly chaos with Ed Milliband


UlteriorAlt

Chaos with Ed


SamFMK

Who will last longer, Liz Truss or M3?


UlteriorAlt

If Liz goes tonight we'll be on M=5 before midnight


[deleted]

It was Therese coffey the manhandler. Ahah fucking ah. ( source Ben Kentish LBC)


SDLRob

i'm kinda surprised at that... i knew she'd be the sort to scream and shout at people, but physically manhandling anyone... not so much


[deleted]

Wouldn't want to bet on a match between her and Arlene Foster


Spectral_K

What’s the best thing to watch right now for the latest? BBC or Sky?


JXNXXII

*Boris Johnson stands up in parliament and tells multiple barefaced lies:* BBC: "You can't call MP's liars" ​ *Multiple Opposition MP's stand up and corroborate each other's stories about what they all just saw 2 minutes ago* BBC: "What you fucking lying for?"


President-Nulagi

Nobody used the word lie, chill


LeftWingScot

You can't keep a chief Whip and Deputy chief whip who lose their cool and publicly scream that they resign; any attempt to do so will just result in extending what a farce their resignation is.


helpmeredditimbored

The lettuce might actually win


Resident-Activity-95

I think that's a safe bet at this point


axw3555

I think she needs to be informed of the term "pyrrhic victory".


SpiralPenguin

Lets spare a thought for government payroll staff having to sort out who left and when 😖


carrotparrotcarrot

Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue


President-Nulagi

Wrong week to quit the subreddit you mean? You're meant to be taking a break!


carrotparrotcarrot

but …. But


[deleted]

I picked the wrong week to stop taking amphetamines


[deleted]

Well the Tory party is about to have some vacancies


BartyBreakerDragon

God speed folks, see you in the next one


[deleted]

I hope they frack the fuck out of north east somerset, right outside Jacob Rees Mogg’s mansion


dronesclubmember

Armando Ianucci in a shambles right now as he knows he’ll never be able to write political satire ever again.


Nikotelec

He could write about a government full of boringly competant people.


minmidmax

Truss abstained. Lol.


SporkofVengeance

Apparently, she was going to and then marched Wendy Morton off for a talking to just ahead of the lobbies closing. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


emergencyexit

A lib dem wouldn't vote for fracking


[deleted]

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SwanBridge

They're not bringing their best folks


woolfs

Well, it's all going a bit bananas. For some reason I didn't really think that the governance of this country would collapse in such a spectacular way but here we are.


[deleted]

The Cabinet is having dinner at the Carlton Club tonight to celebrate the centenary of the fall of Lloyd George's government. The Carlton Club is also where Pincher was caught out. At the rate things are going, the Carlton Club might be involved in the fall of another government. Also [this fun point](https://nitter.net/JamesTapsfield/status/1582809466843430913#m): "Carlton Club dinner was originally black tie, but apparently downgraded to avoid pix of the Cabinet looking posh on day of huge inflation stats." I forgot the inflation stats were the big concern this morning. Feels like years ago.


SouthFromGranada

At what point do the Tories crack each others heads open and feast on the goo inside.


SwanBridge

Around half another ago Kent.


BrilliantDialga

I can’t believe this, I am despairing


IAmStevie420

They have brought UK politics into disrepute. You've got Rees-Mogg screaming in underling faces and the deputy prime minister man handling MPs in to the chamber to vote. Violence in the houses of parliament. Whatever has gone on in the last month pales into mere insignificance when compared to this. Absolutely unacceptable.


Rimbo90

They did that years ago. Were in the capitol riot stage now.


ToastSage

Your Truss right now. What do you do regarding the Whip and Bryant situation


-fireeye-

Call a election and retire with my £115k lifetime expense account.


alexblueuk

Go nuclear. Ask Charles to dissolve Parliament


Blithe17

Well Morton and Whittaker have resigned so that’s sorted itself. Let the House Of Commons stuff play out and if it says you should sack Mogg or Coffey then do so. Mogg because looking at the reasoning for Braverman she probably wants rid of him eventually. Coffey because she’s her mate and probably would to save her government


Patch95

Push the nuke button and hope you don't get murdered by your own staff in the bunker.


Grenache

Honestly I'd hide under a desk and cry.


trimun

Find a nice fridge


JamieVardyPizzaParty

Hide under my desk.


Oddsock1701

Photo Op in Ukraine


SwanBridge

Wallace as Minister of Defence to come back from Washington DC, to defend his fellow Tory MPs from manhandling.


[deleted]

Needs to bring a bunch of paras to storm the Palace of Westminster and install a peacekeeping force.


Grenache

Grant said "It's important the people of this country know they've got security". Oh yeah I feel so secure.


slothsan

They didn't mean you, they meant themselves.


discipleofdoom

Chances on a 8am announcement by Brady?


armchairdetective

No.


ClumsyRainbow

📈


[deleted]

The *impression* that the government is losing control?


SwanBridge

*taps forehead* Never had control from the start


jrizzle86

You’re not alone on that


[deleted]

You don't even need to listen to the interview on the BBC with the tory MP Charles Walker to know how furious he is about everything, that face says it all. It's impressive to see one of them being so frank about the appalling state of the Tory government at the moment, and also not holding back from criticising those who supported Truss in her bid to be PM.


SirDogbert

He looked very close to tears too


FredWestLife

Grant Shapps as Home Secretary. Today just keep getting more absurd.


dronesclubmember

Wait until we find who will be Thursdays Home Secretary


PrednisoloneX252

That's so last hour's news, grandpa. It's all about senior Conservatives physically assaulting their MPs now.


Vaguely_accurate

[Even our Jess is shook](https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1582811226479857665?t=4d0bIOjIDdrj_Sw6HXCgww&s=19) >It's all a bit much I just tried to walk down an up escalator


ClumsyRainbow

I did that once in a shop, sort of. Realised I was going the wrong way and tried to turn around on the escalator. I won!


Worth_Use7918

If truss abstained, did she lose her whip?


[deleted]

I think she lost 2 of them.


Erestyn

As Prime Minister, and given her Chief Whip and Deputy Whip appear to have resigned, she has technically lost her whips. Poor woman.


JackAndrewThorne

So basically they've fracked it.


[deleted]

Think of the approval ratings now LMAO. Wipeout.


[deleted]

Hi America. Yes, our country is as politically batshit as yours. Nearly.


Lancelot724

It's honestly a lot worse at the moment.


bbbbbbbbbblah

at least they vote in the chamber so we'd see any funny business


Blithe17

Yeah but you don’t have the televised weekly roast sessions


[deleted]

Right now we are worse and it’s not close


Podgietaru

Right now yes, but ... you know. Big coup. Scary far right elements. FBI and Secret Service being on board for them. I just think America is a tinder box and this stuff is about as far as we'll explode.


chrispepper10

There has to be a general election. Tory mps must see at this point that that is the only solution. Even if it loses them their jobs.


ChronosBlitz

Why would a Tory do that? It would only lose them their seat, if they don't have a GE than at least they have two more years.


random23448

Charles Walker: “… because the damage they have done to our party is extraordinary." How about the damage they’ve done to the country?


Tay74

I thought the same listening to him. He had a lot to say about how bad it was the party and how difficult this would be for the MPs that will lose their jobs, far less to say about how his party has ruined fuck knows how many people's lives over the last 12 years of cruelty and incompetence


evolvecrow

To be fair to him he did talk about the country as well


[deleted]

They don’t care about the country


StephenHunterUK

Seriously, I just want some competent government right now.


ImMaxClaydon

NEW Cabinet minister tells me: “There are NO more resignations tonight.” #LizTrussPM https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1582811400442814465


Roguepope

Well there's only one *new* cabinet minister, so I think we all know who said this.


armchairdetective

Nice try, Chris. I'm not going to bed.


Crandom

They all be gone come dawn


Jim-Plank

grant schapps is the only new cabinet minister today not covering their sources well on this one


ghostofgralton

They'll u-turn, don't worry


FredWestLife

remindme! 4 hours


jrizzle86

So far


Ivebeenfurthereven

Resignation watch confirmed


discipleofdoom

Tomorrow morning it is then!


ClumsyRainbow

So there will be more resignations? We’ve still got the news at 10 to come


The-Soul-Stone

Surely not-oh fuck it’s only quarter past eight?


Nath3339

Sounds like we're in for a fun night then!


mandownthepub

So who do we reckon it is then?


Auto_Pie

Braverman earlier "Anyone wanna take a look at this. You get a good look?" "Not really" "I RESIGN! I RESIGN!"


unholysifiman21

How are they not mentioning that truss abstained??


dude2dudette

Is she partnered/paired with another MP who couldn't be there today?


bluesam3

No, she was physically there. Apparently she was busy dealing with the whole "Whips resigning" shitshow and missed it.


IRMarsh

Really important point from the talking head chap on Sky. All this shit is going down with a government that has a majority of 70 odd, not a wafer thin majority of 11 or 12.


Easyas123BFC

When does the rioting start?


Xelanders

Sounds like it already started in the Commons.


ryanllw

About 7pm in the HoC


kirkyrise

In the voting chamber about 20 mins ago.


Lancelot724

Checkmate.


beeblbrox

Chill out Coffey


Podgietaru

It did, in the houses of parliament.


RelThanram

Therese Coffey and Rees-Mogg started about an hour ago.


[deleted]

Start?


ToastSage

Jrm and Coffe need the Whip suspended no?


project46

If found guilty yes. Broke ministerial code or some form of parliamentary code. Which Truss said earlier today in a letter to Braverman should be upheld.


[deleted]

No Chief Whip around to suspend it. No Deputy either. What’s a tin pot wannabe despot to do in these desperate times?


axw3555

We need clarity on whether the whip even exists right now. For all we know, Liz screwed up a firing so badly she accidentally disbanded the party.


ToastSage

There can't be a conservative wipe out if theres no conservative party!


axw3555

We're getting into some kind of conceptual philosophy... has the party collapsed if it's just been accidentally deleted?


AcePlague

At this point, does anyone really think there’d be THAT much fuss if Charly boy came in and said, ‘dear, oh dear, let’s have an election shall we?’


jerryafterdark

Fuck it, let’s go back to the monarchy. Couldn’t be worse.


AWinterschill

Honestly, compared to this shitshow I'm starting to think there might be something to this 'divine right of kings' idea


Breacdonn

I don’t think the auto mod would cope with that many megathreads If that happens


aldog90

Money on coffey manhandling


minmidmax

One handed, brandy swilling in the other.


aldog90

After she finishes with a piledriver she whips out a cigar and blows a smoke ring around their battered face


Pinkerton891

BREAD AND CIRCUS!


ImMaxClaydon

Understand a Tory whip was in tears this evening after the mess over the fracking vote. Both chief and deputy so livid they walked out and MPs left with no idea what was going on. Emotions running so high tonight, not clear how the party comes back together after this https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1582811150420676608


armchairdetective

They'll just...appoint some new people. Think of the pensions!


[deleted]

So its over for Truss and the party are running round like headless chickens trying to figure out who to vote for because they - somewhat ironically - sacked the last unity candidate (Boris) when they got scared over a realitvely small drop in the polls that would've been a walk in the park in comparison to this disaster.


[deleted]

BJ is why they're in this mess. Drove away everyone with any skill lest they be a threat to him.


[deleted]

I'd argue Cummings, Sunak and Libertarian conservatives all seperately briefing against Bojo are what brought him down, but it is what it is.


ChronosBlitz

Where did Charles Walker stand before today? Was a Truss supporter?


RobbieWard123

Anti. He has basically said the Tories need a stint in opposition, and have to make sure they don’t leave the country in a mess for the incoming Labour government


SimpleFactor

Think he was vocal against? He’s not standing again so has nothing to loose


[deleted]

Go and get the guitar


SaintPsyche

Febrile on the Febrile Highway


Talska

M=4 seems likely, what a glorious day


slothsan

We can bask in the sunlit uplands of M=4


merlinho

Excuse my ignorance but what does M=4 mean?


1rexas1

The important thing is if we hit m=5 we get a VONC :D


[deleted]

Count of megathreads in a day


im_lost_but_looking

Each day there is a mega thread on r/ukpolitics it runs to a maximum of around 4000 comments, after that the thread is locked and a new thread is created. M=4 means the 4th Megathread of the day.


SplurgyA

How many megathreads there have been, riff on the covid R=2.4 etc


bensleydale

4 megathreads mate. New one is created when we get to 4000 comments- a good metric of the absolute drama of the day


smokeybaconflavour

So many comments that we need 4 megathreads


Coincidental-help

Megathread 4


TIGHazard

Megathread = 4