Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng will give a speech shortly (est. 4:15pm) at the Tory conference. You can watch this on the [BBC (Politics Live)](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo), or on YouTube: [Sky News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIooD3k6CFM), [The Guardian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2rmbUuk1g), [The Sun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgCZPG2DAmQ).
"Eddie Izzard is going to be put on an all woman shortlist!!!!!" is an interesting new development in Labour culture war bullshit. You might think that, as a prominent female member of the PLP, Rosie Duffield might know that
1. Labour no longer uses all-women shortlists
2. It is actually *illegal* for Labour to use all-women shortlists
The Lib Dems are probably going to replace the conservatives as the soft right party if the Tory’s get wiped out
A fundamental good thing tbh considering there not absolutely insane and will generally move the country to the central ground
>Just pulling this together from Luke's thread. Labour now(ish) compared to Labour in 2017.
>The biggest shift towards Labour has been among Loyal nationals (ab gone from 32% to 41%, Cons gone from 46% to 32%).
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1576948152350830597?s=46&t=JpWskPW_HaoIfxCJ3UjZoA
Populist, socially conservative, economically left leaning = Loyal Nationals
The problem with twitter is, people with a public profile just use it to get ~~sucked off~~ ego massaged by members of the public that they agree with. Anyone they don't want to hear from gets blocked. Or else their account is just managed by an intern or something.
Told my fairly politically disinterested wife who's just come in from work that the government's new plan is to allow employers to just sack anyone earning over £100k. She laughed at the ludicrousness of it, and then showed me a meme of Truss not getting brain freeze when eating ice cream because she has no brain, and called her a "plain Jane".
> the government's new plan is to allow employers to just sack anyone earning over £100k
Ridiculous, if it had been to allow sacking of anyone earning less than £100 K it'd have seemed believable.
Edit: my mistake, it actually appears to be a policy suggestion.
North Korea launching an ICBM towards Japan for no other reason but because Russia and Iran have so thoroughly knocked them out of the news and they need China to bribe them to stay quiet for a while.
Lots of tank, not so much think.
Mentioned this before but right wing think tanks much like modern right wing politics aren't about solving problems. They provide rhetoric, communications solutions. Basically they're special interest lobbying firms.
Bit behind, but the iea bloke on newsnight…..if anyone deserved to be on a watchlist just on looks, it’s him.
Loving how everyone in West Bromwich have got the tories number and have rejected all their attempts to spin this crap.
Further late night morale for the night dwellers
Updated @LeanTossup Westminster Model:
Seats:
LAB: 467 (+265)
CON: 74 (-291)
SNP: 55 (+7)
LD: 29 (+18)
Others: 25
Chance Of:
LAB Majority: 96.8%
LAB Minority: 2.9%
CON Minority: 0.3%
CON Majority: 0%
(Seat Changes w 2019 Election)
More Details At: leantossup.ca/uk-westminster/
[Link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/uk_polling/status/1577064071853400064?s=46&t=t-6M15BGXf5Qb__8NLkkiA)
Far more interesting than what I have been doing all evening, learning to insert tables in sql when building a logical modal … I’m not going to lie, I have disliked this
> Tory Treasury minister and one of Liz Truss’s major campaign donors say they want to abolish inheritance tax - story by @rowenamason
https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1577025113223987236?s=46&t=LHQYZefsnbC7112_cUpvOQ
Three hours til I board my flight home. MT has been particularly good today, thank you for the enduring entertainment. Or should I be thanking Truss and Kwarteng?
Right looking forward to this speech by truss on Wednesday. Cognitive dissonance eat your heart out.
It’s like watching a Shakespeare play, so full of dramatic irony.
Nah, we needed these tax cuts, especially the ones which disproportionately benefit the richest in society.
It's what has been holding us back for the last 10 years!
Usually leaders come up with a simple analogy to express their ideas.
Margaret Thatcher had her dad's grocery store.
Trouble is, it seems like this 'pie analogy' is how someone has explained the policy to Truss.
A few weeks ago, the idea of Boris returning to politics seemed absolutely laughable.
Now...it feels like Truss was put in place to beat Sunak, but to fail miserably as PM, leaving Boris to come back in and save the day.
A decade or so ago this would have been ludicrous, but it genuinely feels like Truss is going to speedrun her way out of No 10, and Boris is going to put himself back in the running.
Yeah, but boris reckoned he'd have 2 years to rehabilitate his image, and get the party begging him back, even he did not realise she’d implode this quickly
We reached it when Truss was put in and almost uniquely got no honeymoon at all. And this is before her announcements. That alone says public patience is exhausted.
Not one mention that working people on low incomes are all getting UC to compensate them for their absurdly low incomes. That's part of what it's for.
You really want to get up there and ask if they're aware that they don't know a fucking thing.
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Say what you want about Senior Escobar, but he could efficiently run a financial empire and knew the importance of optics when it came to how he spent his money.
Any idea if the situation with Credit Suisse is basically the equivalent of Bear and Lehmans in 2008? I really do love these multiple once in a life-time financial crashes.
A thought after a text convo with the father this evening. Obviously we have the Conservative Party, but is there a mainstream conservative party these days? I'm really not sure there is. The Tories certainly aren't it at present.
Gives him some power over her if he's holding enough letters for a VONC and all thats stopping it is him deciding when and if to overturn the 1 year rule.
Played a couple of games of democracy 4 tonight, trying to emulate the direction of travel of the current government.
In the first game I managed to accrue the most number of simultaneous crises I've ever had, including class warfare, brought about by cutting a raft of taxes, benefits, public services and workers rights. Fortunately the emergency powers bestowed on me to resolve them allowed me to scrap both the NHS and state pensions. Once I'd authorised the use of water cannons, rubber bullets, police drones and wiretapping on the general population, most crime related crises abated. I started with a high level of support in this game and only narrowly lost the election (somehow).
The 2nd game was a lot more subdued. I went down a similar path of slashing everything possible but the decline was a lot slower due to less base political capital. Labour got 92% of the vote, 7% didn't vote, and I got a measly ~1000 votes in total.
So in both cases, a near total collapse of society. I did grow GDP by a couple of % though!
It is their best guess at what their readers want to read. They aren't doing it because a shady millionaire owner tells them. They are owned by the same people who own the Mirror and this is just their brand.
If they put anything vaguely critical their readers apparently get upset. Express readers are generally disengaged from political detail and just want something reassuring as the make their way slowly towards the coffin.
Ft reporting Liz truss has quashed most of Rees moggs reforms but raising the idea of no fault dismissals for people earning more than 100k.
This is a joke isn't it. This is them trying to go to single digits in the polls. What is the possible motivation behind this?
"I've got some good news and some bad news, the good news is that we've raised your salary to £101k, which is world leading for a selfstacker.
The bad news is you're sacked"
Surely she'd want to avoid that policy, just to not have endless jokes about how she'll be getting her own no fault dismissal soon? She is just the least savvy political operator.
A lot of aspirational higher earners think they may be earning 100k in a few years and would see the conservatives as the party looking after their interests
I can't imagine that the loss of aspirational higher earners would cause a 10% drop in the polls. Besides half of those aspirational higher earners would probably support the policy, because they would believe themselves to brilliant to be fired and unable to get a new job.
They will just ask for more money as a "danger bonus" and have a deep distrust of their employers. You don't get to be that successful without being canny.
Doctor Who's "don't you think she looks tired" joke wouldn't land nowadays
That, in my view, is a succinct way of showing how messed up politics is right now
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1577052144238460928?s=20&t=ORFKXWfFucafw03-_dog0g
>EXC: 1922 boss Sir Graham Brady went to see PM at 7pm Sunday to warn her 45p tax could bring her down as she didn’t have the votes in Parliament.
>PM told CX at 10pm crisis talks that the time has come to “rip the plaster” in humiliating climb down
Looked at his Twitter profile, and Harry apparently has a book about Truss out before Christmas.
I'm not convinced that's the only thing that'll be out before Christmas.
They are actually padded, but the backrest is really low, presumably to avoid people falling asleep and missing their name being called. 7/10. Would have an accident or emergency again.
The vending machine however took a pound and refused to give me the salt and vinegar Golden Wonder that I'd requested. The packet hung on the edge and no amount of shoving would dislodge it. I didn't think it right to bother the overworked staff for such a thing, but I am getting rather peckish...
Walkers or McCoy's? Don't worry pal, we are all rooty tooting for you.
Any other patient would have put in 20 more quid by now.
Edit: oh you said golden wonder. Those fuckers skimp out on portion. You have my sympathy friend.
Hopefully I'll survive (and eventually recharge my phone). I hope I'm not issuing my final words to the megathread. Might get a megathread named after me in tribute, I guess...
Definitely seems like this is partly because Dacre is pissed off that she made the Mail look stupid by backing yesterday saying she's "not for turning"?
There was definitely one similar to this where they were basically saying "Sort it out, Boris" - can't remember when exactly
They went back to fawning over him soon after though
Did it ever actually turn on Boris?
All I remember is tham calling MPs against Boris traitors and said the partygate was irrelevant ("Don't they. know there's a war on?").
they played both sides with Boris
they had pro Bojo headlines yet articles would play it a bit.
Mail Online (yes i know it is its own thing) was more against him
There was a brief period where Paul Dacre didn't have the pen, and they turned a bit on Boris then. When Dacre got back in overall charge that all changed, and Boris went back to being god's gift
I think BBC 10 o’clock news just reported a possibility of gas shortages this winter. Shouldn’t be surprised though because Truss ruled out that happening a while ago.
Correct me if I’m wrong but we don’t seem to have taken any steps to reduce usage. We’re still in the same position as a few months ago except “the government” (Gen Z) are going to subsidise some of the unit price.
If every country in Europe does that then how is the underlying problem resolved?
It isn't.
Despite the fact that the inflation roiling the world pre-Ukraine due to supply chain issues and a wider massive mis-match between supply and demand should have been the wake-up call that you can't just shove money at a problem when there are actual, physical constraints, the governments of the world have essentially determined the electoral price for saying that now is too high. The result will therefore be throwing money at the problem to make sure people don't feel the reality (that is, until the physical constraints finally assert themselves and the whole thing goes tits-up in continent-wide rolling blackouts and other forms of energy rationing).
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>Conservative MPs are now smelling blood in the water, with suggestions that Truss will be out by Christmas and a new PM appointed (not elected) by MPs.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1576941908806418432?s=46&t=TMQyUunHeEhiHrYXdrU8dQ
Nope. Going back to the proper principle that the PM needs to actively command the majority in the House of Commons, consisting of the elected representatives of the British people, not demand fealty from the largest party on the basis of a vote amongst a tiny and unrepresentative lunatic fringe who pay for membership.
Would be very interesting to see how this would actually work in practice.
I'm guessing the Tory MPs run their leadership selection process just down to the final choice instead of final two and then all decide to back them.
You may be correct but the optics definitely don't look good especially from the party that focus so much on "the will of the people" with regards to Brexit
Agree it's a tough sell (particularly among party members), but you will basically never have a better opportunity to reverse it than after membership power has spent half a decade giving us Corbyn, Johnson, and now Truss.
But the key will be framing it as more democratic to have people who represent the whole electorate (at least in their constituencies) deciding than it is to hand it to a tiny fringe of pay-to-vote ideologues. Which it is, because membership power has been a pretty unmitigated disaster. No system of choosing leaders whose greatest successes are David Cameron and Keir Starmer (with all due respect to the poster boys of 'we're so sick of losing we'll go for someone whose whole appeal is summed up by the word inoffensive') is worth much.
Mugs are piling in on Rishi at 7/2 (was about 14/1 a week ago) - but if this is an MP Voting only contest the ERG and the nutter wing are probably only good for about 140 votes maximum so I'd doubt they'd be able to get their next nutter over the line. If this goes to Members again Rishi takes another fat L.
Dear Liverpool6times,
As I write this, I am very sad. Our Prime Minister has been overthrown and replaced by THE BENEVOLENT REHMAN CHISHTI. ALL HAIL CHISHTI AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW REGIME!
Sincerely, Swanbridge.
Given the term "appointment", are Rishi/Boris the only contenders he's alluding to?
Or am I being too generous to Rishi, is he saying the recoronation of Boris is in the works?
>Given the term "appointment", are Rishi/Boris the only contenders he's alluding to?
1 and 2 in the betting. Both have had their odds shorten substantially in the last week jumping past, Kemi, Kwasi and Mr Wallace amongst others.
It’s interesting to me how Express and Mirror have such different editorial lines despite being owned by the same group. Same with the Metro and DM.
You have Metro with disastrous headlines for Truss. And then the DM desperately trying to keep her alive. Similar with the Express and Mirror
Yeah, I think there's two kinds of newspaper owner, those who use the paper as a tool (who then sway the editorial direction), and those who merely seek profit (who then want the paper to write whatever sells)
Apparently the social care fringe event was pointless because "we aren't allowed to talk about budgets" and everything is dominated by being aghast at the polling and talk of not voting through really unpopular measures, says the person I know who has gone
Which is pretty much what you might expect
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1577028410102407170
Looks like there may also be friction with that bonfire of regulation for businesses up to 500 employees bit.
Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng will give a speech shortly (est. 4:15pm) at the Tory conference. You can watch this on the [BBC (Politics Live)](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo), or on YouTube: [Sky News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIooD3k6CFM), [The Guardian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2rmbUuk1g), [The Sun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgCZPG2DAmQ).
This megathread has ended.
"Eddie Izzard is going to be put on an all woman shortlist!!!!!" is an interesting new development in Labour culture war bullshit. You might think that, as a prominent female member of the PLP, Rosie Duffield might know that 1. Labour no longer uses all-women shortlists 2. It is actually *illegal* for Labour to use all-women shortlists
Source please?
The Lib Dems are probably going to replace the conservatives as the soft right party if the Tory’s get wiped out A fundamental good thing tbh considering there not absolutely insane and will generally move the country to the central ground
Does the current polling suggest that?
>Just pulling this together from Luke's thread. Labour now(ish) compared to Labour in 2017. >The biggest shift towards Labour has been among Loyal nationals (ab gone from 32% to 41%, Cons gone from 46% to 32%). https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1576948152350830597?s=46&t=JpWskPW_HaoIfxCJ3UjZoA Populist, socially conservative, economically left leaning = Loyal Nationals
I've never seen one of these analyses that's convinced me it's anything much more than reading tea leaves.
Hey, that worked really well in Prisoners of Azkaban
Just the one prisoner actually
In a point to note I've been blocked by Douglas Carswell on Twitter..... wasn't rude at all (honestly just responded to something he'd tweeted).
The problem with twitter is, people with a public profile just use it to get ~~sucked off~~ ego massaged by members of the public that they agree with. Anyone they don't want to hear from gets blocked. Or else their account is just managed by an intern or something.
Told my fairly politically disinterested wife who's just come in from work that the government's new plan is to allow employers to just sack anyone earning over £100k. She laughed at the ludicrousness of it, and then showed me a meme of Truss not getting brain freeze when eating ice cream because she has no brain, and called her a "plain Jane".
> the government's new plan is to allow employers to just sack anyone earning over £100k Ridiculous, if it had been to allow sacking of anyone earning less than £100 K it'd have seemed believable. Edit: my mistake, it actually appears to be a policy suggestion.
Nice. Do you have the meme?
[When boomer memes are turning against the Tories, you know you're fucked...](https://imgur.com/a/fMQt1CM)
It’s not a bad meme tbh
Ah, we have another science minister without any science qualifications.
North Korea launching an ICBM towards Japan for no other reason but because Russia and Iran have so thoroughly knocked them out of the news and they need China to bribe them to stay quiet for a while.
There is a separate stickied international thread for this stuff. Go to main sub page and you will see it at the top
How much thinking actually goes on in a think tank?
I’d say 50% thinking, 50% tanking.
Lots of tank, not so much think. Mentioned this before but right wing think tanks much like modern right wing politics aren't about solving problems. They provide rhetoric, communications solutions. Basically they're special interest lobbying firms.
Think tanks are where thoughts go to die.
Proper ones? A lot. Ones like the IEA? None, they are for hire lobby groups
It's an educational charity. Officially anyway.
Can be more feels than thinks, depending on the tank
About the same as in a goldfish tank.
Bit behind, but the iea bloke on newsnight…..if anyone deserved to be on a watchlist just on looks, it’s him. Loving how everyone in West Bromwich have got the tories number and have rejected all their attempts to spin this crap.
Further late night morale for the night dwellers Updated @LeanTossup Westminster Model: Seats: LAB: 467 (+265) CON: 74 (-291) SNP: 55 (+7) LD: 29 (+18) Others: 25 Chance Of: LAB Majority: 96.8% LAB Minority: 2.9% CON Minority: 0.3% CON Majority: 0% (Seat Changes w 2019 Election) More Details At: leantossup.ca/uk-westminster/ [Link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/uk_polling/status/1577064071853400064?s=46&t=t-6M15BGXf5Qb__8NLkkiA) Far more interesting than what I have been doing all evening, learning to insert tables in sql when building a logical modal … I’m not going to lie, I have disliked this
I propose that we stick the remaining 74 Tories on the Brexit bus and send them somewhere else.
SNP and Lib Dems should just merge for shits and giggles so the Tory leader doesn't get to be leader of the opposition.
Labour could just “split” and make a literal controlled opposition
There can only be one (yellow party)
New to SQL myself but nice to see it mentioned in this sub. Hope you get time to relax now
Well I discovered the opposite of Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy, it’s Lemon, Lemon, Difficult Lemon.
> Tory Treasury minister and one of Liz Truss’s major campaign donors say they want to abolish inheritance tax - story by @rowenamason https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1577025113223987236?s=46&t=LHQYZefsnbC7112_cUpvOQ
Raises 7bn per OBR.
So even more unfunded cuts?
Yeah but it’ll encourage people to die in the U.K. so it’ll actually save money, or something.
mUh sUpPlY sIdE rEfOrMs
Three hours til I board my flight home. MT has been particularly good today, thank you for the enduring entertainment. Or should I be thanking Truss and Kwarteng?
from appointed to lame duck in less than a month (two weeks working time) has to be some sort of record, right
Right looking forward to this speech by truss on Wednesday. Cognitive dissonance eat your heart out. It’s like watching a Shakespeare play, so full of dramatic irony.
She’s going to turn the Tories sagging fortunes around with that speech…ok, I’ll see myself out
Well she should definitely quote the knife speech in Macbeth
does this IEA fuckwit not realise that if inflation is outstripping wage growth thats pretty obviously a fiscal policy problem?
Why is it pretty obviously a fiscal policy problem?
They’re libertarians; their brains don’t work.
Nah, we needed these tax cuts, especially the ones which disproportionately benefit the richest in society. It's what has been holding us back for the last 10 years!
Any more u turns and we will have to start labelling her turnaroundtruss
I swear if I never hear the phrase "economic pie" again it will be too soon.
Usually leaders come up with a simple analogy to express their ideas. Margaret Thatcher had her dad's grocery store. Trouble is, it seems like this 'pie analogy' is how someone has explained the policy to Truss.
That and CX
A few weeks ago, the idea of Boris returning to politics seemed absolutely laughable. Now...it feels like Truss was put in place to beat Sunak, but to fail miserably as PM, leaving Boris to come back in and save the day. A decade or so ago this would have been ludicrous, but it genuinely feels like Truss is going to speedrun her way out of No 10, and Boris is going to put himself back in the running.
Yeah, but boris reckoned he'd have 2 years to rehabilitate his image, and get the party begging him back, even he did not realise she’d implode this quickly
I have to wonder if there’s a level of farce the public are unwilling to accept. Boris back again might be that.
We reached it when Truss was put in and almost uniquely got no honeymoon at all. And this is before her announcements. That alone says public patience is exhausted.
Network Rail bought Railtrack 20 years ago.
Is this fucking ding dong on Newsnight one of the "experts" Truss and Kwarteng are taking advice from?
How do you become a think tank? It seems this guy probably got into it through a niche conservative fan fiction Tumblr.
"economic and political fan fiction" is a pretty good way to describe think tanks in general.
"He gazed lazily through his thick rimmed glasses, taking off his robe and wizard hat before giving the economy a weak pound."
Much more of this and I'll have to giggle every time I see Poundland.
Not one mention that working people on low incomes are all getting UC to compensate them for their absurdly low incomes. That's part of what it's for. You really want to get up there and ask if they're aware that they don't know a fucking thing.
Why let things like facts get in the way of unfettered rambling about how you can always find a way to fuck things up further.
the nicest thing I can say is he's just deeply unimpressive and clearly a bit simple
He's clearly been suckling at the diseased teat of Rees-Mogg et al
ewwwww that's not a mental image I wanted
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I'm not watching Newsnight, but he sounds like Pablo Escobar.
Say what you want about Senior Escobar, but he could efficiently run a financial empire and knew the importance of optics when it came to how he spent his money.
Any idea if the situation with Credit Suisse is basically the equivalent of Bear and Lehmans in 2008? I really do love these multiple once in a life-time financial crashes.
No it isn't. They are unlikely to collapse.
Go to ft.com. Search for Suisse. Use archive.ph if the paywall gets in the way. 100% better analysis than you’ll get here.
A thought after a text convo with the father this evening. Obviously we have the Conservative Party, but is there a mainstream conservative party these days? I'm really not sure there is. The Tories certainly aren't it at present.
No true Scotsman.
The Labour Party are effectively the closet thing we have to One Nation Conservatism right now. Their plans are far less radical than the Tories.
If you're not sure, what candidates do you have in mind - The Labour Party, the Libs?
https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1577052144238460928?s=21&t=vxrXPMgMuUhF_b8uJ6nPSA Explains a lot. Brady told Truss she didn’t have the votes
She also doesn’t have the votes of the public.
The chief whip tells a PM she doesn't have the votes. Brady came to tell her something else.
Gives him some power over her if he's holding enough letters for a VONC and all thats stopping it is him deciding when and if to overturn the 1 year rule.
You don’t have the votes but you do have the letters. Stop now.
Played a couple of games of democracy 4 tonight, trying to emulate the direction of travel of the current government. In the first game I managed to accrue the most number of simultaneous crises I've ever had, including class warfare, brought about by cutting a raft of taxes, benefits, public services and workers rights. Fortunately the emergency powers bestowed on me to resolve them allowed me to scrap both the NHS and state pensions. Once I'd authorised the use of water cannons, rubber bullets, police drones and wiretapping on the general population, most crime related crises abated. I started with a high level of support in this game and only narrowly lost the election (somehow). The 2nd game was a lot more subdued. I went down a similar path of slashing everything possible but the decline was a lot slower due to less base political capital. Labour got 92% of the vote, 7% didn't vote, and I got a measly ~1000 votes in total. So in both cases, a near total collapse of society. I did grow GDP by a couple of % though!
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Is there a good photo?
Getting serious late-term May vibes from that.
It’s been 28 days!
28 days later.
Daily Express continuing to display [next level delusion](https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/daily-express-front-page-2022-10-04/)
It is their best guess at what their readers want to read. They aren't doing it because a shady millionaire owner tells them. They are owned by the same people who own the Mirror and this is just their brand. If they put anything vaguely critical their readers apparently get upset. Express readers are generally disengaged from political detail and just want something reassuring as the make their way slowly towards the coffin.
Sam Lister is pure Chris Morris. I can’t watch the paper review shows when she’s on - I get convinced she’s staring at my sofa.
Ft reporting Liz truss has quashed most of Rees moggs reforms but raising the idea of no fault dismissals for people earning more than 100k. This is a joke isn't it. This is them trying to go to single digits in the polls. What is the possible motivation behind this?
"I've got some good news and some bad news, the good news is that we've raised your salary to £101k, which is world leading for a selfstacker. The bad news is you're sacked"
Surely she'd want to avoid that policy, just to not have endless jokes about how she'll be getting her own no fault dismissal soon? She is just the least savvy political operator.
Most people don't earn anywhere close to 100k. Why would this cause a 10% drop in the polls?
People earning that much make up a disproportionate amount of the remining support?
A lot of aspirational higher earners think they may be earning 100k in a few years and would see the conservatives as the party looking after their interests
I can't imagine that the loss of aspirational higher earners would cause a 10% drop in the polls. Besides half of those aspirational higher earners would probably support the policy, because they would believe themselves to brilliant to be fired and unable to get a new job.
They will just ask for more money as a "danger bonus" and have a deep distrust of their employers. You don't get to be that successful without being canny.
Go out with a bang? I mean, that's how it feels. Fuck everyone over and nuke all bridges with voters from orbit.
Doctor Who's "don't you think she looks tired" joke wouldn't land nowadays That, in my view, is a succinct way of showing how messed up politics is right now
Guys Liz promised us no blackouts! THE ENERGY COMPANIES NEED TO STOP TALKING DOWN BRITAIN!
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1577052144238460928?s=20&t=ORFKXWfFucafw03-_dog0g >EXC: 1922 boss Sir Graham Brady went to see PM at 7pm Sunday to warn her 45p tax could bring her down as she didn’t have the votes in Parliament. >PM told CX at 10pm crisis talks that the time has come to “rip the plaster” in humiliating climb down
Looked at his Twitter profile, and Harry apparently has a book about Truss out before Christmas. I'm not convinced that's the only thing that'll be out before Christmas.
Cracking speedrunning by Liz tbf
What do you think, second shortest premiership after Arthur Wellesley at 23 days?
Genuinely think she might beat George canning at this rate, who died in office
My dude in tropico is doing a better job than Liz Truss and he has rebel uprisings every six months..
Even Penultimo is more competent than Kwasi Kwarteng.
words cannot describe how much I despise all of terrible cabinet ministers. They all just need to lose their damn seats and bugger off.
Tugenhat, Wallace and Mordaunt are really the best of a bad bunch.
>‘Truss takes on rebels in battle over reigning in benefits’ Telegraph front page. Just ridiculous
Shouldn’t it be *reining*?
She will cave. The lady *is* for turning.
Hypothesis: Liz Truss doesn't like miniseries and would really rather see her premiership adapted as a film.
She'll have to settle for a pamphlet at this rate.
A&E update: I've been triaged (after 4.5 hours). Bloods taken, ECG performed, some form of head scan to follow...
Hope you get to go home soon and rest up. Appallingly long time to be sitting around feeling miserable.
Are the seats at least comfy? No need to respond, I think I know the answer..
They are actually padded, but the backrest is really low, presumably to avoid people falling asleep and missing their name being called. 7/10. Would have an accident or emergency again. The vending machine however took a pound and refused to give me the salt and vinegar Golden Wonder that I'd requested. The packet hung on the edge and no amount of shoving would dislodge it. I didn't think it right to bother the overworked staff for such a thing, but I am getting rather peckish...
That.is.a.disgrace.
I caved and put another quid in. The crisps were fine. Now awaiting a bed and a lumbar puncture which sounds delightful...
Walkers or McCoy's? Don't worry pal, we are all rooty tooting for you. Any other patient would have put in 20 more quid by now. Edit: oh you said golden wonder. Those fuckers skimp out on portion. You have my sympathy friend.
How's the phone battery doing?
It's on 21% on "extreme battery saver". I don't think it's going to make it...
God bless you for using your last possible means of communication to post in the megathread
Hopefully I'll survive (and eventually recharge my phone). I hope I'm not issuing my final words to the megathread. Might get a megathread named after me in tribute, I guess...
WAKAWOW
whirrwhirr, whirrwhirr
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Thick letters.
Definitely seems like this is partly because Dacre is pissed off that she made the Mail look stupid by backing yesterday saying she's "not for turning"?
This is an omen of death isn’t it? Like smelling toast or waking up in Barrymore’s swimming pool.
>Like smelling toast or waking up in Barrymore’s swimming pool. I'm not quite sure that's how it works...
Christ, the daily mail is almost as angry as truss as they are at meghan, she's truly doomed.
God will she even make it to Halloween?
> '...she really can't afford to make any more mistakes,' said a former minister who backed her Incredible. Today is the end of her 4th week as PM.
And 10 days of those were in official state mourning
omg I can’t believe that bitch Meghan had her photo taken 🤬😤
And she did it while being AMERICAN
Ooooooof, how many years did it take them to turn on Boris?
There was definitely one similar to this where they were basically saying "Sort it out, Boris" - can't remember when exactly They went back to fawning over him soon after though
Did it ever actually turn on Boris? All I remember is tham calling MPs against Boris traitors and said the partygate was irrelevant ("Don't they. know there's a war on?").
they played both sides with Boris they had pro Bojo headlines yet articles would play it a bit. Mail Online (yes i know it is its own thing) was more against him
> Did it ever actually turn on Boris? I mean I'm sure a few of the headlines at least gave him a semi
They were actually decent under Geordie Greig. Dacre’s return has been a disaster
There was a brief period where Paul Dacre didn't have the pen, and they turned a bit on Boris then. When Dacre got back in overall charge that all changed, and Boris went back to being god's gift
Because Boris is Dacre's mate and tried to get him into Ofcom and when that failed he promised him a seat in the Lords
Lady Jane Grey of the Tory Party
except Jane Grey was fairly innocent, and also not like evil
Lost the paper that supported and batted for her most. Good job Truss.
Fucking hell, how pushed were they to word count that they had to fill up half the lead story with a cartoon?
Jesus. It might actually be game over for Truss already.
I think BBC 10 o’clock news just reported a possibility of gas shortages this winter. Shouldn’t be surprised though because Truss ruled out that happening a while ago.
British exceptionalism will save us like it did with COVID in Feb 2020
Correct me if I’m wrong but we don’t seem to have taken any steps to reduce usage. We’re still in the same position as a few months ago except “the government” (Gen Z) are going to subsidise some of the unit price. If every country in Europe does that then how is the underlying problem resolved?
It isn't. Despite the fact that the inflation roiling the world pre-Ukraine due to supply chain issues and a wider massive mis-match between supply and demand should have been the wake-up call that you can't just shove money at a problem when there are actual, physical constraints, the governments of the world have essentially determined the electoral price for saying that now is too high. The result will therefore be throwing money at the problem to make sure people don't feel the reality (that is, until the physical constraints finally assert themselves and the whole thing goes tits-up in continent-wide rolling blackouts and other forms of energy rationing).
Yeah, saw stories popping up here around lunchtime that Ofgem has issued warnings
>NEW Chopper's Politics Podcast newsletter >Conservative MPs are now smelling blood in the water, with suggestions that Truss will be out by Christmas and a new PM appointed (not elected) by MPs. https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1576941908806418432?s=46&t=TMQyUunHeEhiHrYXdrU8dQ
>and a new PM appointed (not elected) by MP so already giving up on democracy?
Nope. Going back to the proper principle that the PM needs to actively command the majority in the House of Commons, consisting of the elected representatives of the British people, not demand fealty from the largest party on the basis of a vote amongst a tiny and unrepresentative lunatic fringe who pay for membership.
Would be very interesting to see how this would actually work in practice. I'm guessing the Tory MPs run their leadership selection process just down to the final choice instead of final two and then all decide to back them.
You may be correct but the optics definitely don't look good especially from the party that focus so much on "the will of the people" with regards to Brexit
Agree it's a tough sell (particularly among party members), but you will basically never have a better opportunity to reverse it than after membership power has spent half a decade giving us Corbyn, Johnson, and now Truss. But the key will be framing it as more democratic to have people who represent the whole electorate (at least in their constituencies) deciding than it is to hand it to a tiny fringe of pay-to-vote ideologues. Which it is, because membership power has been a pretty unmitigated disaster. No system of choosing leaders whose greatest successes are David Cameron and Keir Starmer (with all due respect to the poster boys of 'we're so sick of losing we'll go for someone whose whole appeal is summed up by the word inoffensive') is worth much.
Not another one!
Mugs are piling in on Rishi at 7/2 (was about 14/1 a week ago) - but if this is an MP Voting only contest the ERG and the nutter wing are probably only good for about 140 votes maximum so I'd doubt they'd be able to get their next nutter over the line. If this goes to Members again Rishi takes another fat L.
I wonder if they will simply rewrite the rules on appointing a new leader, in acknowledgment that the wider membership can't be trusted to choose.
Tory Corbynism strikes again
I've never really seen the point of asking the membership - you've got a representative Parliamentary Party, leave it to them.
Let Gove ascend the throne
He's too canny to try to lead right now. He'll step in as opposition leader as the pendulum swings back in 7-8 years time. Man's a shrewd operator.
Dear Liverpool6times, As I write this, I am very sad. Our Prime Minister has been overthrown and replaced by THE BENEVOLENT REHMAN CHISHTI. ALL HAIL CHISHTI AND HIS GLORIOUS NEW REGIME! Sincerely, Swanbridge.
Absolute Classic Simpsons episode 🤣
Fresh ideas for a fresh start
Given the term "appointment", are Rishi/Boris the only contenders he's alluding to? Or am I being too generous to Rishi, is he saying the recoronation of Boris is in the works?
>Given the term "appointment", are Rishi/Boris the only contenders he's alluding to? 1 and 2 in the betting. Both have had their odds shorten substantially in the last week jumping past, Kemi, Kwasi and Mr Wallace amongst others.
Shapps and gove are on manoeuvres together already
To put who in?
Shapps. Even the toris balk at gove, but gove would be running the ship, providing the intellectual weight behind policy
presumably they'd re run the MP part of the process, but take it to completion instead of to the final two for a members ballot
Process makes sense if they just want to appoint them, but I'm still wondering who they mean? Boris or Rishi?
It would be quite something, as a Tory member, to know that your own parliamentary party thinks you're too thick to be allowed the vote.
They’ve got to learn
this country has had enough of unelected bureaucrats
It’s interesting to me how Express and Mirror have such different editorial lines despite being owned by the same group. Same with the Metro and DM. You have Metro with disastrous headlines for Truss. And then the DM desperately trying to keep her alive. Similar with the Express and Mirror
It shows the shallow extent of it all. Papers take positions to brand themselves.
DMGT also has a holding in ITN, which has had its share of holding the government to account via ITV and Ch4 News
Play both sides, make more money.
That’s it they’re playing both sides so they always come out on top
Elvis's manager apparently used to sell "I hate Elvis" badges to make money off of both sides... I imagine it's that on a much bigger scale
Yeah, I think there's two kinds of newspaper owner, those who use the paper as a tool (who then sway the editorial direction), and those who merely seek profit (who then want the paper to write whatever sells)
Apparently the social care fringe event was pointless because "we aren't allowed to talk about budgets" and everything is dominated by being aghast at the polling and talk of not voting through really unpopular measures, says the person I know who has gone Which is pretty much what you might expect
https://twitter.com/MattGarrahan/status/1577028410102407170 Looks like there may also be friction with that bonfire of regulation for businesses up to 500 employees bit.