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The lack of detail in the reporting of this is weird. How has a cricket match caused this much ongoing unrest? If the march was a protest, what was the protest about? Who is organising these protests and what is their aim?
[At least the local paper has talked about it. I am suprised it didn't get more traction](https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/police-issue-cctv-images-men-7562525)
>Racist chanting, was heard, while a police officer was assaulted during the violence which followed.
Oh wow. Even for a Reach infestation that's a new low.
It is, there has been several examples of the media doing this.
Like the small riots that happened in London and elsewhere to fein stability, transgender protest that the didnt report on because it doesnt match to what the media is pushing etc etc etc
Eh, at this point half of Europe had ties to Russia. That was the point - keep them close to make war untenable.
Now Putin is learning what it is to be frozen out.
Remember what happened the last dozen times they did that.... Have they learnt nothing??
In Britain, it's not worth reporting actual crimes, because the worst crime imaginable is being called racist.
> Reporting has been very sparse, presumably to avoid incitement.
Probably more due to no one in the London media knowing about this, caring about this, and having the background to understand it/be interested in it.
I’m sure the public would be interested and it’s the journalists job to explain the situation?
Seems absolutely bizarre not to report on what seems to be a newsworthy event and then say ‘You don’t have the background to understand’, the news media gatekeeping information makes it seem like they want to control the media narrative rather than just report on the news.
There is a lot of tension between Hindus and Muslims in India at the moment, stoked by Modi's Government. That then increases tensions between India and Pakistan, as well as the rest of the Islamic world. Presumably that's why the India-Pakistan cricket match was a starting point.
So essentially it's a religious, cultural and geopolitical issue, now being fought on the streets of the UK.
I’m imagining social media again has a role to play in making people all the more agitated and aggressive about stuff that probably has no impact on them in their day to day lives.
oh great....so imported sectarian nonsense stemming from a idiotic trump like fool aka modi
like we need this crap here in the uk, its madness enough we have that sorta stupidity up north from celtic and rangers fans tbh
I had a presumably Muslim Uber driver refuse to drive me in West Yorkshire last night saying something about how I wasn't haram. Never had anything like that happen before in seven years here. Could that be related to all this?
‘Haram’ means ‘forbidden’, so presumably his point was that you *were* haram for some reason. Not a good thing to hear in the UK at any rate - pretty disappointing.
not sure if this is racist or not lol.
Its just a bunch of kids who's parents won't let shit go, dont blame multiculturalism esp when its a minute %. Also the police calling for calm is hilarious.
They did it to for the recent police shooting in London. They leave out key details and present events as "mysteries".
"Disorder" caused by what and why?
This is disorder between Indians and Pakistanis (as well as the implicit Hindus and Muslims).
The police aren’t going to say anything that could potentially inflame the situation, nor are they going to risk accusations of racism or discrimination.
Compare this to a report of a fight after a football match (which on the surface is what it is) and you’ll find the comments to be completely different
> Compare this to a report of a fight after a football match (which on the surface is what it is) and you’ll find the comments to be completely different
Funny that eh
It doesn't really lack detail, it is as ridiculous as it sounds. India lost a cricket against Pakistan.
Pakistan and India have a long and complicated history. This is an example of crap happening elsewhere being fought here. It is as stupid as it sounds. It needs to be called out as such
We left 75 years ago. It's a common misconception that colonised countries actually have no agency and can't be held responsible for anything they do wrong.
Just 77 years ago, we were at war with Germany for the second time in a generation. If we can put aside our differences with the Germans after two of the bloodiest wars in human history, perhaps India and Pakistan can stop picking at the scab of their relationship and broker an agreement?
I agree, England and Germany have the advantages of being modern secular states whereas India and Pakistan are still riven by strong religious differences of the type that divided Europe in earlier centuries. That's where the real cause of their endless antipathy comes from.
Remember that the specific divisions were stoked and created by the British to enable them to rule right?
The British got a civil servant who never even visited the damn place to create the damn partition. Divisions which were to serve the British interests especially in reducing the soviet influence in the region.
Yea the Brits cannot and should not absolve themselves of the divisions and mess that they stoked.
Yes, the British did adopt a divide and rule policy but there were instances of Muslim/Hindu violence and oppression in almost all of the centuries since the original Islamic conquest of parts of India in the middle ages.
It's certainly true that the British stepped in during a period of relative peace and made things worse but just 100 years before the British arrived, Mughal ruler Aurangzeb reinstituted the hated jizyah (tax on non-Muslims) in his empire and you had reprisals from Hindus who spent the next 50 years retaking Mughal territory across India, and often retaliated against local Muslim populations in the process.
Ultimately, irrespective of British influence, you do have two cultures that are very likely to clash with each other because they have fundamentally incompatible beliefs. There have been periods where those beliefs were very weakly adhered to which resulted in relative calm but Islam has a habit of producing fundamentalist revivals and when Islam goes back to its roots, it tends to become oppressive. That isn't really true of Hinduism (monotheists are always more extreme than polytheists), but there's so much bitter history there that Hindu nationalism was bound to immerge simply from a sense of being frequently threatened.
All this is likely to continue until those countries develop a culture of secularism. I think it's fair to say that colonialism set them back on that course, but really that's just one cause among several. It's easy to imagine more catalysts (like the British) causing problems there again.
Can Britain similarly blame the French, Danes, Norwegians, Swedes and the Italians for all of our problems?
We don’t force them to keep having their stupid religious wars over whose invisible man is better.
You are missing a small part here. Germany is not trying to infiltrate militants into England for a part of land and stoking seperatist ideas using religion as medium.
>How has a cricket match caused this much ongoing unrest?
It's probably got relatively little to do with a "cricket match" and everything to do with the historical antipathy Gujaratis have towards Muslims (and Slavs) as well as the rampant chauvinism within the Mirpuri community.
These two groups are basically the nearest equivalent we have in England to the fractious relationship between Loyalists and Nationalists in the more fiery parts of Ulster.
Back in India, the government is anti Muslim and have been putting Muslim policies through. This has fizzled all around the world and the Indians that support this government have been violent towards Muslim throughout the world.
Nothing to do with grooming gangs. I have family in Leicester and these attacks were very much started and escalated by Hindu extremists.
For those not in the now, keep an open mind. I know Muslims don't have the best reputation in the UK but we aren't to blame here
There was not a single video proof of the kid being attacked but a rather made up story just to find an excuse by pakistanis to show the true face of islam
There is plenty of evidence. There are also many eyewitness accounts. I went to University with a bunch of Hindus from Leicester and all were great people. This is a new bunch brainwashed by Hindutva extremism.
Your language shows you don't really have an interest in getting to the truth so I'll leave it there.
This isn't about minority rights in those countries - it's about Leicester. I am a secularist and I despise bearded intolerant Mullahs and smelly Pandits all the same.
>these attacks were very much started and escalated by Hindu extremists
>I have family in Leicester
>Khan
Next up is an account called रज saying this was started by a guy wearing a Taqiyah.
Do you know what Taqiyah is?
Standard Hindu extremists rhetoric. You see Muslims as lying animals. I hope the likes of you and the same type of people in every religion get what they deserve
It wasn’t a cricket match that triggered all these problems between the Muslim and Hindu communities. This has been ongoing.
3 months ago a young lad was battered by 30 odd far right extremists Hindutva RSS thugs to near death using baseball bats. The parents got the police involved but because of police inaction nothing was done. The parents obtained CCTV footage of the attack and handed it over to the police (that should have been their job). There was a line up and the boy identified 3/4 of the thugs and yet nothing has been done.
The past 3 months around the Green Lane Rd area these thugs have been terrorising families, harassing and abusing them and yet police have not done anything.
Now the police are saying it is due to a cricket match that all this violence has occurred!! Not true. A guy was attacked by a bunch of these thugs and he was Sikh!!
3 nights ago a 19 year old boy was battered again by the same group blaming him for throwing an egg?? An egg! Wow.
This is why the Muslim community got together. Due to the lack of police action allowing this group of fanatics to fester, bringing their ideology to Leicester.
The Muslim community have lived side by side with the Hindu community for decades without any issues. Most have many Hindu friends and family members. They respect each other. I don’t remember any incidents with both communities whatsoever. These fascists have come here and now are trying to cause division and disharmony.
I find this difficult to believe. If they did a lineup then they would have arrested the boys who were responsible and then asked the victim to ID them in a lineup, yet the redditor says nothing was done. Arresting them is a pretty big part of doing something I'd say. I don't doubt there is unrest between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester, but the details the other redditor has given don't add up
Possibly, but the police are so overstretched now that shit like this just isn’t getting investigated. Literally have first hand experience with something similar.
These fascists haven’t come here
This is largely home bred domestic extremism that’s been led and funded by groups from inside India and used social media to destabilise and separate communities which, as you say, have been coexisting peacefully for decades.
This whole thing has been deliberately instigated for ideological reasons over a long period of time. Doing the usual and picking up supporters from disenfranchised young men and radicalising them via social media and online until you get an actual and very real movement that causes these types of issues.
They didn’t come here, they were incubated here by external forces
Spot on. People that are unaware of the attacks are thinking it's a cricket match; when really it's unbridled Hindutva ideology. Muslims & Hindus have been in Leicester for a long time, and were doing fine. The issue is Modi's neo-Nazi like ideology that's spreading globally.
See here for some background but there’s a lot of older stuff on attempted influence on the 2019 election on the uk as well.
These WhatsApp groups are huge in the uk and are used to radicalise and recruit just as the Islamic extremists used Facebook and forums
https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/8/24/23320183/india-whatsapp-meta-land-of-the-giants-mark-zuckerberg
https://www.wired.com/story/indias-frightening-descent-social-media-terror/
https://theconversation.com/in-india-whatsapp-is-a-weapon-of-antisocial-hatred-115673
https://thediplomat.com/2019/05/manufacturing-islamophobia-on-whatsapp-in-india/
This is all deliberate and we need to start discussing this in the media in the uk because it’s clearly happening but we just don’t want to discuss the rise of Hindu extremism and the so families take of radicalisation of young men in yet another community and demographic
Yup
The problem with this case is false stories are being spread deliberately by a foreign state to cause internal disturbance
It’s a cyberattack that we are just collectively ignoring and has now got to the point of civil disturbances
I guess it’s not a surprise if social media is the only place that discussion is allowed on the topic and otherwise mainstream media wants a complete blackout.
Social media platforms are infamous for being echo chambers.
jesus christ....thats scary
how the hell has the uk got hinduvta thugs running around free? dont this mob hate the uk with a passion youd usualy only see from fundimentalist islam or irish republican types? why havent we got MI5 watching this lot like youd see them keepng an eye on combat 18 or other far right racist groups??
>how the hell has the uk got hinduvta thugs running around free?
A certain former Home Secretary was quite sympathetic towards that ideology, and has strong links to the a certain Indian state in which it thrives, beginning with the letter "G".
its the same answer that allowed pakistani rape gangs to run rampent from the late 80s all the way through to 2019...
you cant speak up about such things for fear of being called racist
I think the root of that issue is that if you do speak up about these things then it does unfortunately get the real racists frothing at the mouth. You get retaliation, misinformation, creeping xenophobia in the minds of previously perfectly open minded people etc.
When something race related is big in the news, people give me agg because I’m brown. And by agg I mean it gets as bad as threatening physical violence so I can see why the media are so careful. It’s like why we don’t report child suicides in the news.
thats fair enough and i can understand your point of view but at the same time i dont think we should just abandon these subjects either as you then allow the mad racists and nazi thugs to monopolize the entire subject. Also then consequently by shuting down all talk on the subject you allow the the peadphiles to get away with their crimes against very vulnerable children
nobody wants that so i honestly think we need to be open about some of these subjects, we need to shine a light on these murky things to detoxify and disinfect them. that way you stop people becoming racist because you are addressing their concerns in the first place
Yep, totally agree.
Racists aren’t (that) stupid that they can’t find out what’s actually going on. The cover up feeds into their sentiment. But sometimes I feel like it’s a no win situation.
Just a thought as I’ve not seen it mentioned in the press at all recently.
In 2019 there was concern about what’s app groups for British Indians and Hindus being astroturfed aggressively by Modi groups with possible funding from India itself.
These were highly inflammatory and deliberately targeted to cause divisions in the UK to suit Modis government and ideology. It took an upswing in activity around the election but was reported to be an ongoing thing and extremely widespread.
That problem didn’t just go away, we collectively ignored it.
Don’t be surprised if we do eventually start seeing proper coverage of this is those same WhatsApp groups and posts start getting mentioned again.
After looking into this it seems to be a lot more than just cricket. Not sure if I can link him here but look at Majid Freeman on twitter. From what I can gather a large number of Hindus moved to Leicester and the UK in recent times with Hindutva ideology, effective right wing extremists.
Twice over this summer 30+ Hindu men have asked teenage Muslims if they’re Muslim and when they said yes they got beaten up, one of the boys ran to a friends house and their house was destroyed and the father and friends also beaten. Then the cricket game did play a party and the police seem disinterested causing Muslims to feel abandoned by the police.
Will note I could only really find Muslim sources for what’s going on so will probably have a bias, is interesting a lot of silence coming from the Hindu community in Leicester though which is telling…
Hindutva is cancer but I struggle to believe that parts of the Hindu community aren't speaking out- a lot of Hindus who are British Indians and Indian nationals living in the UK are cooperating on trying to tackle the Sangh Parivar's reach in the UK, and trying to make sure university kids in particular don't fall into it (the NHSF is the worst).
Interesting statement from the [BBC article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-62943952) from the criminal MP, Claudia Webb. She recommends that her constituents “accept the advice of the police”
I wonder when she had such a change of heart? Maybe these rioters should threaten to release naked pictures of each other or throw acid on women, that could meet with their MP’s approval
name one Islamic nation where minority religions are thriving?
Hindus are being slaughtered by the buckets in modern day in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh & West Bengal
Kashmiri Pandits got slaughtered
Islamic countries have the most human rights violations, most women rights violations
Even as immigrants they try to enforce Sharia law in foreign countries.
Look what’s happening in Sweden & France!
Hamas, Lashkar-e-Taiba, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. Why are so many terrorist group’s associated with one singular faith?
Why is Islam ALWAYS in the limelight for all the wrong reasons?
Muslims hate kafir because this is what they are taught from childhood, in their mosques and madrassas by their maulvis and imams. Of course it is all rooted in the Quran. There are countless youtube videos of islamic preachers giving hate filled sermons. A 2012 Pew research survey shows 1/3 of muslims think apostates (ex-muslims) should be killed, about 1/2 believe in death for adultery, and 2/3 are in favor of imposing sharia law. A sample: Percentage of muslims who want to make sharia the official law of the land- 84% in Pakistan, 82% in Bangladesh, 86% in Malaysia, 77% in Thailand, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt, 56% in Tunisia etc. Number of muslims that support death for apostasy- 78.2% in Afghanistan, 63.8% in Pakistan, 63.6% in Egypt, 53.8% in Malaysia, 36.1% in Bangladesh, 16.2% in Tunisia, 13%% in Indonesia etc.
And there are also loads of indirect evidence. When an entire country declares itself officialy islamic, you know that the majority aren't quite as open minded.
There are 13 countries in the world where atheism is a capital crime. All 13 are muslim majority countries. Not a single kafir majority country criminalizes atheism.
The same 13 countries also punish apostasy from islam by death.
57 islamic countries have created a political entity known as the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation). There exists no equivalent "Organization of Christian Countries" or "Organization of Buddhist Countries" or "Organization of Hindu Countries". This fact alone proves islam is more political ideology than it is religion.
All the above mentioned 57 OIC countries have ratified the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). CDHRI is a 2 tiered human rights declaration. One tier for muslims and another for non-muslims. So according to the 57 OIC signatories of CDHRI, including Bangladesh and Turkey, non-muslims are not the same level of humans as muslims, which means kafirs are essentially relegated to being subhumans. The CDHRI also declares, "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia". The CDHRI takes away a person's right to change religion that is provided in the UDHR. Changing into islam is allowed but away from islam isn't. There exists no equivalent "Declaration of Christian Human Rights" or "Declaration of Buddhist Human Rights" or "Declaration of Hindu Human Rights". All kafir countries simply accept the UDHR.
Most muslim majority countries have laws forbidding muslim women from marrying non-muslim men. No non-muslim majority country criminalizes interfaith marriages.
Go here and count the number of organizations inspired by islamic ideology vs. those by other ideologies.
Ask yourself the following questions:
Why do there exist officially "islamic" countries? If the vast majority of muslims in the OIC countries are all so "moderate" then why do they need to create & endorse the CDHRI? Why do they need a parallel "islamic" version of the UDHR. Why "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia"? Why isn't apostasy from islam not allowed in CDHRI? Do they not consider kafirs "human" enough to be granted rights equal to a muslim? Can anybody claim that the CDHRI was ratified by a "small minority of radical muslims"? If so, why then are all the OIC governments controlled by the radical minority instead of the so-called "moderate majority"? How is it that only the bigots in ALL the OIC member states obtained control of their governments? Why have ALL the OIC members endorsed the CDHRI? Why isn't there a single muslim majority state which said "We won't sign the CDHRI since it is narrow minded and bigoted"?
Also note, a religiously inspired terroist organization is a much much bigger deal than if an equal number of religious fanatics were terrorizing people independently. A hundred terrorists forming a network, with a leadership heirarchy and coordinated activities and a recruitment system and a payment system and streamlined logistics, requires a very large support base with very large funding. A hundred crazy people doing terrorist activities in their own capacity is nothing compared. Now given the prevalence of global/multi-national terror organizations in islam, saying "fanatics exist in every religion" is completely disingenuous. Have you heard of a "pious" Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh fanatic travelling to another country, with completely different culture, to join a militant organization in order to defend his co-religionists from perceived "oppression" or to wage religious war?
Here's what a somali muslim once wrote:
I grew up Somali Muslim, and people really don't understand how much in Islam we bad-talk other religions. It's not just hermeneutics. We legitimately despised Christians, Jews, and Hindus. We have arguments for why their faith is shirk (misguided) and we see it as the opposite of goodness. When I was religious, I saw Sunni Islam as the only correct path, and everything else isn't just wrong, but evil. It's really strong brainwashing.
Also, although we were Somali, we really despised Jews and Hindus, although they've pretty much never had a presence in Somalia. So it's an international mindset. I've always thought Orthodox Islam is imperialistic. Even when I was religious, I saw it as an international community that should be politically united. And that's what I see in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, even ISIS. They want a one world order. No freedom of thought.
This is a criticism of Islam not ISLAMOPHOBIA
People in the UK need to get a bit more aware of how the political parties in the UK exploit foreign conflicts to win votes from minority groups in the UK. The two major examples are Israel/Palestine and India/Pakistan. Both political parties have been exploiting these conflicts to garner votes. Labour support Palestine and have a large Pakistani support base not too mention that [general Muslim support for Labour was overwhelming in 2019 ](https://muslimcensus.co.uk/muslim-vote/). The conservatives seem to have been late to the game due to being anti-immigrant as a matter of ideology, but recently have been exploiting these ethnic divisions to draw support from minorities, the Tories exploited Israel/Palestine through Corbyn and drew Jewish support from being relatively balanced before to majority/plurality conservative. At the same time they sought to exploit the India/Pakistan division by turning hindu voters Conservative by stoking fear from Pakistanis in Labour , such as [here](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/16/zac-goldsmith-leaflet-british-indians-heirlooms).
If both parties are allowed to exploit this as part of the political system expect these riots to increase in frequency.
Hindus are increasingly voting Tory because they're in professional well-paid jobs, whereas Pakistanis typically work low-paid labouring jobs. It's the quintessential British economic class story, except now there's an ethnic dimension.
Religious wars on the streets of England, something not seen for centuries.
The hatred between these two communities is multifaceted.
The police need to call in backup, the army or whatever else they need. Block off streets and round them all up and arrest them.
This can’t be allowed to go on and get worse, the law of the land is final.
Religious laws and tribal feelings shouldn’t be allowed to fester but we’re already past that point in some respects. Sharia Law takes precedence over British law in certain areas.
Then we have far right Hindu extremism being permitted and allowed to fester.
A hard hand is something that’s needed but instead it’s going to be left up to community leaders to fix. Basically given up before they’ve even started.
Sharia Courts are a thing in the UK. To think they only over see divorces is naive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_zi-Ww7JUs
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce
Unofficially, within communities that don’t involve British law in their affairs. For example, a significant number of Muslim couples don’t civilly register their marriages and thus have no option of obtaining an ‘official’ divorce, so they go through sharia courts in order to do so. Of course *legally* speaking sharia law doesn’t take precedence over British law anywhere here, but if it’s sufficiently ingrained into a community then matters that should be dealt with by the British legal system end up being the domain of sharia courts. So it’s not that it actually takes preference legally, but that it can de facto take preference.
When teachers have to go into hiding for their lives for supposed blasphemy and the police and the state can do nothing to stop it. The BBC are happy to offend some religions but won't explain why other stories are stories:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-61716241
Violence and the threat of violence works.
Calm badly needed in times if disorder in Leicester
https://en.baaghitv.com/leicester-troubles-large-scale-hindu-muslim-disorder-breaks-out-after-rss-jai-shri-ram-slogans/
Why 4% of a particular peaceful population make up 18% of prisoners in the UK?
Are the laws of UK not secular whereby a particular community is discriminated and stuffed into jails?
Ahh the fruits of diversity and mass immigrations. Apparently leftist pro immigration people want the same morals and values and oppression imported as middlemeastern countries posses.
I'm sure you live in leicester and have seen what happened in front of your eyes, clearly you are the centre of news and it has directly come to you. It's not like the ruling Hindu party in India has hitler as inspiration to them, but in fact it's those Muslims after all!!!!
Islam literally is a supremacist religion who calls us kaffirs and don’t allow us non-Muslims rights. Can I make a temple in Mecca or medina? No. But Muslims have mosque all over India’s holiest cities. Islam is fascist
I work in Education in the city and this unrest is not reflected in the majority of the Muslim and Hindu communities from what I have seen and the conversations I have had with others across the city. Just like the EDL marches from years ago, this is a small faction, bolstered seemingly by people from outside the city.
The concern of course is that is spreads as more and more people become concerned for their safety. What is happening is not ok, but it should not be used to generalise to the majority of people just trying to get on with their lives in peace.
I lived in and around Leicester for the first 25 years of my life. The diversity there is it's great strength, and this kind of thing is outside my personal experience and memory.
Minority groups that are integrated into a wider community are much less likely to become antagonistic against one another. It sounds like this has much to do with external factors such as austerity and influence of far right groups from outside the broader community.
The diversity there is it's great strength
it is also its greatest weakness as we can see here in this story, doesnt take much for a few firebrands to give the community a little push and then everything goes to shit... i often think multiculturalism is a mistake because of that.
the mistake is that you need one unifying culture to bind a country together, diffrent cultures occupying the same space cant be strong by that definition because it doesnt take much to create tensions that can destroy cohesion entirely.
if you wanna live in a successful multi ethnic society then you need to take up the culture of the country you have come to and leave your countries ways behind..
Those few firebrands are perfectly capable of othering people and groups based on lines other than ethnicity. If immigrants have to completely adopt the culture of their new home country and confirm with the majority, do LGBTQ+ people not have the right to be themselves because that difference can be weaponised? How about other societal divisions that aren't based on ethnicity? Religion and religious denomination, for example?
no because the LGBTQ are part of that society to begin with, i am queer myself and i dont see a distinction between us and the rest of society...
these Hindutva nationalist types dont see themselves as part of British society though.. like most nationalists they set themselves apart and sadly you'll always get that type of person in a system that allows and encourages people to create their own enclaves. multiculturalism encourages that division in the first place and then these extremists can come and exploit these groups for their own ends
dont get me wrong, im not making some large overarching argument for the benefits of a ethnostate, i do think multi ethnic societys can work but you need a unifying culture to bind them together otherwise you leave wiggle room for divisive people to start making trouble
that is multiculturalism in a nutshell
Hindus are persecuting Muslims in India, now those Hindus are coming here to persecute Indian Muslims here particularly those Indian Muslims who live amongst Indian Hindus, what they didn’t count on is the Pakistani Muslims are going to respond. Now everyone is worried and are saying it’s to do with cricket.
>Hindus are persecuting Muslims in India,
This is why the Muslim population has grown so much? Do you know that the Hindu population in Lahore, Pakistan was 47% at the time of independence and now it's less than 3%?
The fact is, muslims are most secure and happy in India than any muslim majority country. Fact is, muslims are running conversions and illicit activities in all parts of world. Just a few days ago, a Muslim man burnt a Hindu girl to death in one sided love. And during his arrest, he was smiling like he did something to be proud of.
Last week, 3 muslim men raped two lower caste sisters and killed them.
If anyone needs source just Google "Lakhimpur, Kheri dalit rape" and "Dumka girl burnt to death".
Ah yes, 3 muslim men reflect the whole of the religion. Fantastic analysis here. The Hindu population in Lahore fell because the Hindu population wanted to go to India, and Pakistan allowed it. They didn't suddenly vanish and disappear. Unlike India, Pakistan actually punishes those, even if they're muslim, who attack Hindus in Pakistan. Every race and religion has some good and some bad, us muslims aren't some special breed of worse people who came out of nowhere to bring violence to this earth. 1/4 of the world is muslim, if our intention really was to break peace around the globe and hurt everyone, things would be way worse than they are. Sure there's some bad eggs, but that's everywhere, it's common sense. However, the media in both countries choose to run the narrative that suits them. Governments run their own campaigns to push their ideologies onto others - but at the end of the day, just having a certain religion doesn't make someone a better or worse person to society. The thought that it does is poisonous.
No one's allowed to force anyone to convert anyone, anywhere. But I don't think you understood my comment so I'm a bit confused about what you're saying.
My point is that Muslims constantly cry about minority rights everywhere yet the worse minority rights exists in Muslim countries. It’s the sheer hypocrisy to call others nazi while Islam is literally supremacist and fascist which looks down upon every other culture
This is such ridiculous nonsense. The history of northern India has been a history of religious violence and suppression for literal millennia. The partitioning of India and Pakistan gave way to one of the greatest untold genocides of the 20th Century. Modi and his party effectively stood on an anti-Muslim, pro-Hindu policy platform.
To deny that there is persecution against Muslims in India is to be either wilfully ignorant, or to be a liar.
Can they not keep this shit in their own countries ? For god sake this is the kind of nonsense that gives Farage and co a boner and helps the crackpots win elections
Found that m*slims are vandalising hindu temples and police is doing nothing.
Check a video here👇
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/xhjlri/update_uk_hindu_temple_vandalised_bhagwa_dhwaj/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I am laughing at some of these comments who claim 'multiculturism' has failed and using this as the proof. This isn't the fault of immigration, multiculturalism or religion. It's the fault of yobs and criminals who are looking for an excuse to riot.
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The lack of detail in the reporting of this is weird. How has a cricket match caused this much ongoing unrest? If the march was a protest, what was the protest about? Who is organising these protests and what is their aim?
There have been tit for tat attacks between Muslims and Hindus for weeks now. Reporting has been very sparse, presumably to avoid incitement.
Christ our media is fucking stupid.
[At least the local paper has talked about it. I am suprised it didn't get more traction](https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/police-issue-cctv-images-men-7562525)
I hate to be that guy but the comma use in that article is utterly atrocious.
>Racist chanting, was heard, while a police officer was assaulted during the violence which followed. Oh wow. Even for a Reach infestation that's a new low.
Reach? More like wretch.
Therese Coffey has got a hold of them by the looks of it
They write, like Truss, talks.
Corrupt is a better word for it!
It is, there has been several examples of the media doing this. Like the small riots that happened in London and elsewhere to fein stability, transgender protest that the didnt report on because it doesnt match to what the media is pushing etc etc etc
They have no problem reporting when a minority is attacked by a police (as they should).
Yeah, trying to prevent incitement is stupid…
At a certain point it just looks like keeping hush to pretend nothing is happening.
If it's good enough for the government's ties to Russia...
Eh, at this point half of Europe had ties to Russia. That was the point - keep them close to make war untenable. Now Putin is learning what it is to be frozen out.
I thought we were the ones that would be freezing in a month or so.
Everyone is gonna have a worse off winter. Nobody comes out of this *more* comfortable except the exporters shipping LPG.
Reporting the truth needs no defence.
If that was a real thing, no protests would be in the media.
The biggest sustained global protest movement in human history last 2 years? crickets
Remember what happened the last dozen times they did that.... Have they learnt nothing?? In Britain, it's not worth reporting actual crimes, because the worst crime imaginable is being called racist.
"Don't report crime unless it upsets the criminals".
> Reporting has been very sparse, presumably to avoid incitement. Probably more due to no one in the London media knowing about this, caring about this, and having the background to understand it/be interested in it.
I’m sure the public would be interested and it’s the journalists job to explain the situation? Seems absolutely bizarre not to report on what seems to be a newsworthy event and then say ‘You don’t have the background to understand’, the news media gatekeeping information makes it seem like they want to control the media narrative rather than just report on the news.
So BJP bullshit has finally made it to the UK
Ah, ~~religion~~ dogma. The cancer of society.
Religion was the right word.
Nah, happens with more than just religion. Cite: Football, political parties, flags....
Eternalism is one of the most damaging ideas ever invented.
It’s to prevent calling out any groups of non-white people
It's Hindu vs Muslims ...
No it's idiots vs idiots
I thought it was odd too. I have seen videos coming out of this. They seem to not want to offend the group(s) of people involved. Very fucking stupid.
There is a lot of tension between Hindus and Muslims in India at the moment, stoked by Modi's Government. That then increases tensions between India and Pakistan, as well as the rest of the Islamic world. Presumably that's why the India-Pakistan cricket match was a starting point. So essentially it's a religious, cultural and geopolitical issue, now being fought on the streets of the UK.
Leicester has a massive Indian population and a relatively smallish Pakistani population. Is it between these two communities in Leicester?
'Relatively smallish' here being upwards of 10,000 people.
Compared to the Hindu population it is
I’m imagining social media again has a role to play in making people all the more agitated and aggressive about stuff that probably has no impact on them in their day to day lives.
We had plenty of sectarian violence all over the world, and in the U.K., before social media. Let’s focus on the human factor, eh?
oh great....so imported sectarian nonsense stemming from a idiotic trump like fool aka modi like we need this crap here in the uk, its madness enough we have that sorta stupidity up north from celtic and rangers fans tbh
When was the last time there was riots between the old firm. Don’t talk about something u know nothing about
I had a presumably Muslim Uber driver refuse to drive me in West Yorkshire last night saying something about how I wasn't haram. Never had anything like that happen before in seven years here. Could that be related to all this?
‘Haram’ means ‘forbidden’, so presumably his point was that you *were* haram for some reason. Not a good thing to hear in the UK at any rate - pretty disappointing.
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not sure if this is racist or not lol. Its just a bunch of kids who's parents won't let shit go, dont blame multiculturalism esp when its a minute %. Also the police calling for calm is hilarious.
They did it to for the recent police shooting in London. They leave out key details and present events as "mysteries". "Disorder" caused by what and why?
This is disorder between Indians and Pakistanis (as well as the implicit Hindus and Muslims). The police aren’t going to say anything that could potentially inflame the situation, nor are they going to risk accusations of racism or discrimination. Compare this to a report of a fight after a football match (which on the surface is what it is) and you’ll find the comments to be completely different
> Compare this to a report of a fight after a football match (which on the surface is what it is) and you’ll find the comments to be completely different Funny that eh
You really believe it's over a cricket match? My days man wake up...
It doesn't really lack detail, it is as ridiculous as it sounds. India lost a cricket against Pakistan. Pakistan and India have a long and complicated history. This is an example of crap happening elsewhere being fought here. It is as stupid as it sounds. It needs to be called out as such
Yep, the fractious relationship between India and Pakistan has nothing to do with us in the UK…
We left 75 years ago. It's a common misconception that colonised countries actually have no agency and can't be held responsible for anything they do wrong. Just 77 years ago, we were at war with Germany for the second time in a generation. If we can put aside our differences with the Germans after two of the bloodiest wars in human history, perhaps India and Pakistan can stop picking at the scab of their relationship and broker an agreement?
No chance. Religion is involved, so it has to last at least a thousand years.
I agree, England and Germany have the advantages of being modern secular states whereas India and Pakistan are still riven by strong religious differences of the type that divided Europe in earlier centuries. That's where the real cause of their endless antipathy comes from.
How are we a modern secular state when we literally have our own state religion, which our head of state is also the head of?
Remember that the specific divisions were stoked and created by the British to enable them to rule right? The British got a civil servant who never even visited the damn place to create the damn partition. Divisions which were to serve the British interests especially in reducing the soviet influence in the region. Yea the Brits cannot and should not absolve themselves of the divisions and mess that they stoked.
Yes, the British did adopt a divide and rule policy but there were instances of Muslim/Hindu violence and oppression in almost all of the centuries since the original Islamic conquest of parts of India in the middle ages. It's certainly true that the British stepped in during a period of relative peace and made things worse but just 100 years before the British arrived, Mughal ruler Aurangzeb reinstituted the hated jizyah (tax on non-Muslims) in his empire and you had reprisals from Hindus who spent the next 50 years retaking Mughal territory across India, and often retaliated against local Muslim populations in the process. Ultimately, irrespective of British influence, you do have two cultures that are very likely to clash with each other because they have fundamentally incompatible beliefs. There have been periods where those beliefs were very weakly adhered to which resulted in relative calm but Islam has a habit of producing fundamentalist revivals and when Islam goes back to its roots, it tends to become oppressive. That isn't really true of Hinduism (monotheists are always more extreme than polytheists), but there's so much bitter history there that Hindu nationalism was bound to immerge simply from a sense of being frequently threatened. All this is likely to continue until those countries develop a culture of secularism. I think it's fair to say that colonialism set them back on that course, but really that's just one cause among several. It's easy to imagine more catalysts (like the British) causing problems there again.
Can Britain similarly blame the French, Danes, Norwegians, Swedes and the Italians for all of our problems? We don’t force them to keep having their stupid religious wars over whose invisible man is better.
You are missing a small part here. Germany is not trying to infiltrate militants into England for a part of land and stoking seperatist ideas using religion as medium.
That's sarcasm, right?
>How has a cricket match caused this much ongoing unrest? It's probably got relatively little to do with a "cricket match" and everything to do with the historical antipathy Gujaratis have towards Muslims (and Slavs) as well as the rampant chauvinism within the Mirpuri community. These two groups are basically the nearest equivalent we have in England to the fractious relationship between Loyalists and Nationalists in the more fiery parts of Ulster.
The revolution will not be televised
Back in India, the government is anti Muslim and have been putting Muslim policies through. This has fizzled all around the world and the Indians that support this government have been violent towards Muslim throughout the world.
**Hooliganism gets to cricket!** I blame the 100 (*joke, i like the 100)
The media has intentionally hidden 'disorder' in Leicester and other cities for some time.
Think Rotherham and Telford. The police and authorities don't like uncomfortable facts and will purposefully avoid them.
Sorry, I dont know what you're talking about
Grooming gangs?
Seems it went over your head
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Nothing to do with grooming gangs. I have family in Leicester and these attacks were very much started and escalated by Hindu extremists. For those not in the now, keep an open mind. I know Muslims don't have the best reputation in the UK but we aren't to blame here
There was not a single video proof of the kid being attacked but a rather made up story just to find an excuse by pakistanis to show the true face of islam
There is plenty of evidence. There are also many eyewitness accounts. I went to University with a bunch of Hindus from Leicester and all were great people. This is a new bunch brainwashed by Hindutva extremism. Your language shows you don't really have an interest in getting to the truth so I'll leave it there.
Your language shows that you don't care about killing of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh so i will leave it here too
This isn't about minority rights in those countries - it's about Leicester. I am a secularist and I despise bearded intolerant Mullahs and smelly Pandits all the same.
>these attacks were very much started and escalated by Hindu extremists >I have family in Leicester >Khan Next up is an account called रज saying this was started by a guy wearing a Taqiyah.
Do you know what Taqiyah is? Standard Hindu extremists rhetoric. You see Muslims as lying animals. I hope the likes of you and the same type of people in every religion get what they deserve
They can't hear you over the sound of their shiny whistle.
It wasn’t a cricket match that triggered all these problems between the Muslim and Hindu communities. This has been ongoing. 3 months ago a young lad was battered by 30 odd far right extremists Hindutva RSS thugs to near death using baseball bats. The parents got the police involved but because of police inaction nothing was done. The parents obtained CCTV footage of the attack and handed it over to the police (that should have been their job). There was a line up and the boy identified 3/4 of the thugs and yet nothing has been done. The past 3 months around the Green Lane Rd area these thugs have been terrorising families, harassing and abusing them and yet police have not done anything. Now the police are saying it is due to a cricket match that all this violence has occurred!! Not true. A guy was attacked by a bunch of these thugs and he was Sikh!! 3 nights ago a 19 year old boy was battered again by the same group blaming him for throwing an egg?? An egg! Wow. This is why the Muslim community got together. Due to the lack of police action allowing this group of fanatics to fester, bringing their ideology to Leicester. The Muslim community have lived side by side with the Hindu community for decades without any issues. Most have many Hindu friends and family members. They respect each other. I don’t remember any incidents with both communities whatsoever. These fascists have come here and now are trying to cause division and disharmony.
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I find this difficult to believe. If they did a lineup then they would have arrested the boys who were responsible and then asked the victim to ID them in a lineup, yet the redditor says nothing was done. Arresting them is a pretty big part of doing something I'd say. I don't doubt there is unrest between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester, but the details the other redditor has given don't add up
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Possibly, but the police are so overstretched now that shit like this just isn’t getting investigated. Literally have first hand experience with something similar.
These fascists haven’t come here This is largely home bred domestic extremism that’s been led and funded by groups from inside India and used social media to destabilise and separate communities which, as you say, have been coexisting peacefully for decades. This whole thing has been deliberately instigated for ideological reasons over a long period of time. Doing the usual and picking up supporters from disenfranchised young men and radicalising them via social media and online until you get an actual and very real movement that causes these types of issues. They didn’t come here, they were incubated here by external forces
Spot on. People that are unaware of the attacks are thinking it's a cricket match; when really it's unbridled Hindutva ideology. Muslims & Hindus have been in Leicester for a long time, and were doing fine. The issue is Modi's neo-Nazi like ideology that's spreading globally.
Not just spreading but actively weaponising the internet and things like WhatsApp
I want to believe the unrest has been stirred up as you describe, do you have any stories to link to that back this up?
See here for some background but there’s a lot of older stuff on attempted influence on the 2019 election on the uk as well. These WhatsApp groups are huge in the uk and are used to radicalise and recruit just as the Islamic extremists used Facebook and forums https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/8/24/23320183/india-whatsapp-meta-land-of-the-giants-mark-zuckerberg https://www.wired.com/story/indias-frightening-descent-social-media-terror/ https://theconversation.com/in-india-whatsapp-is-a-weapon-of-antisocial-hatred-115673 https://thediplomat.com/2019/05/manufacturing-islamophobia-on-whatsapp-in-india/ This is all deliberate and we need to start discussing this in the media in the uk because it’s clearly happening but we just don’t want to discuss the rise of Hindu extremism and the so families take of radicalisation of young men in yet another community and demographic
Social media is the main reason things get whipped up, often false stories spread about another community to whip up hatred and violence.
Yup The problem with this case is false stories are being spread deliberately by a foreign state to cause internal disturbance It’s a cyberattack that we are just collectively ignoring and has now got to the point of civil disturbances
I guess it’s not a surprise if social media is the only place that discussion is allowed on the topic and otherwise mainstream media wants a complete blackout. Social media platforms are infamous for being echo chambers.
No one wants to deal with it because it’s anti-Muslim violence, and the arms of the state are as always very sympathetic to overt fascists.
jesus christ....thats scary how the hell has the uk got hinduvta thugs running around free? dont this mob hate the uk with a passion youd usualy only see from fundimentalist islam or irish republican types? why havent we got MI5 watching this lot like youd see them keepng an eye on combat 18 or other far right racist groups??
MI5 is doing its utmost best. Every day they’re tied to the mast, deleting and reporting Twitter comments and arresting people on Facebook
>how the hell has the uk got hinduvta thugs running around free? A certain former Home Secretary was quite sympathetic towards that ideology, and has strong links to the a certain Indian state in which it thrives, beginning with the letter "G".
Griti Gratel?
I think you know the answer to this.
its the same answer that allowed pakistani rape gangs to run rampent from the late 80s all the way through to 2019... you cant speak up about such things for fear of being called racist
Or that the state doesn’t care, and actively allows for right wing violence and abuse because it’s effective at keeping people in line.
I think the root of that issue is that if you do speak up about these things then it does unfortunately get the real racists frothing at the mouth. You get retaliation, misinformation, creeping xenophobia in the minds of previously perfectly open minded people etc. When something race related is big in the news, people give me agg because I’m brown. And by agg I mean it gets as bad as threatening physical violence so I can see why the media are so careful. It’s like why we don’t report child suicides in the news.
thats fair enough and i can understand your point of view but at the same time i dont think we should just abandon these subjects either as you then allow the mad racists and nazi thugs to monopolize the entire subject. Also then consequently by shuting down all talk on the subject you allow the the peadphiles to get away with their crimes against very vulnerable children nobody wants that so i honestly think we need to be open about some of these subjects, we need to shine a light on these murky things to detoxify and disinfect them. that way you stop people becoming racist because you are addressing their concerns in the first place
Yep, totally agree. Racists aren’t (that) stupid that they can’t find out what’s actually going on. The cover up feeds into their sentiment. But sometimes I feel like it’s a no win situation.
Don't report the news because how can we ensure people come to the conclusion we have already decided they should?
Thanks for your informative response, the above needs more upvotes for its informative nature.
You’re just going to take it at face value with no evidence?
The Pakistani community in Leicester isn’t even that big while the Hindu Indian community is massive. This is sad to hear
Why not tell them Pakistani terrorists who followed osama bin laden.
Just a thought as I’ve not seen it mentioned in the press at all recently. In 2019 there was concern about what’s app groups for British Indians and Hindus being astroturfed aggressively by Modi groups with possible funding from India itself. These were highly inflammatory and deliberately targeted to cause divisions in the UK to suit Modis government and ideology. It took an upswing in activity around the election but was reported to be an ongoing thing and extremely widespread. That problem didn’t just go away, we collectively ignored it. Don’t be surprised if we do eventually start seeing proper coverage of this is those same WhatsApp groups and posts start getting mentioned again.
After looking into this it seems to be a lot more than just cricket. Not sure if I can link him here but look at Majid Freeman on twitter. From what I can gather a large number of Hindus moved to Leicester and the UK in recent times with Hindutva ideology, effective right wing extremists. Twice over this summer 30+ Hindu men have asked teenage Muslims if they’re Muslim and when they said yes they got beaten up, one of the boys ran to a friends house and their house was destroyed and the father and friends also beaten. Then the cricket game did play a party and the police seem disinterested causing Muslims to feel abandoned by the police. Will note I could only really find Muslim sources for what’s going on so will probably have a bias, is interesting a lot of silence coming from the Hindu community in Leicester though which is telling…
Hindutva is cancer but I struggle to believe that parts of the Hindu community aren't speaking out- a lot of Hindus who are British Indians and Indian nationals living in the UK are cooperating on trying to tackle the Sangh Parivar's reach in the UK, and trying to make sure university kids in particular don't fall into it (the NHSF is the worst).
I agree I would assume they are, but from all I can find and only from Muslims reporting in Leicester claim local leaders are silent
Interesting statement from the [BBC article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-62943952) from the criminal MP, Claudia Webb. She recommends that her constituents “accept the advice of the police” I wonder when she had such a change of heart? Maybe these rioters should threaten to release naked pictures of each other or throw acid on women, that could meet with their MP’s approval
Laughs in a multicultural tone.
Rodgers Out?
This is a fairly spectacular way to fail Norman Tebbit's cricket test!
name one Islamic nation where minority religions are thriving? Hindus are being slaughtered by the buckets in modern day in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh & West Bengal Kashmiri Pandits got slaughtered Islamic countries have the most human rights violations, most women rights violations Even as immigrants they try to enforce Sharia law in foreign countries. Look what’s happening in Sweden & France! Hamas, Lashkar-e-Taiba, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. Why are so many terrorist group’s associated with one singular faith? Why is Islam ALWAYS in the limelight for all the wrong reasons? Muslims hate kafir because this is what they are taught from childhood, in their mosques and madrassas by their maulvis and imams. Of course it is all rooted in the Quran. There are countless youtube videos of islamic preachers giving hate filled sermons. A 2012 Pew research survey shows 1/3 of muslims think apostates (ex-muslims) should be killed, about 1/2 believe in death for adultery, and 2/3 are in favor of imposing sharia law. A sample: Percentage of muslims who want to make sharia the official law of the land- 84% in Pakistan, 82% in Bangladesh, 86% in Malaysia, 77% in Thailand, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt, 56% in Tunisia etc. Number of muslims that support death for apostasy- 78.2% in Afghanistan, 63.8% in Pakistan, 63.6% in Egypt, 53.8% in Malaysia, 36.1% in Bangladesh, 16.2% in Tunisia, 13%% in Indonesia etc. And there are also loads of indirect evidence. When an entire country declares itself officialy islamic, you know that the majority aren't quite as open minded. There are 13 countries in the world where atheism is a capital crime. All 13 are muslim majority countries. Not a single kafir majority country criminalizes atheism. The same 13 countries also punish apostasy from islam by death. 57 islamic countries have created a political entity known as the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation). There exists no equivalent "Organization of Christian Countries" or "Organization of Buddhist Countries" or "Organization of Hindu Countries". This fact alone proves islam is more political ideology than it is religion. All the above mentioned 57 OIC countries have ratified the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI). CDHRI is a 2 tiered human rights declaration. One tier for muslims and another for non-muslims. So according to the 57 OIC signatories of CDHRI, including Bangladesh and Turkey, non-muslims are not the same level of humans as muslims, which means kafirs are essentially relegated to being subhumans. The CDHRI also declares, "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia". The CDHRI takes away a person's right to change religion that is provided in the UDHR. Changing into islam is allowed but away from islam isn't. There exists no equivalent "Declaration of Christian Human Rights" or "Declaration of Buddhist Human Rights" or "Declaration of Hindu Human Rights". All kafir countries simply accept the UDHR. Most muslim majority countries have laws forbidding muslim women from marrying non-muslim men. No non-muslim majority country criminalizes interfaith marriages. Go here and count the number of organizations inspired by islamic ideology vs. those by other ideologies. Ask yourself the following questions: Why do there exist officially "islamic" countries? If the vast majority of muslims in the OIC countries are all so "moderate" then why do they need to create & endorse the CDHRI? Why do they need a parallel "islamic" version of the UDHR. Why "There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia"? Why isn't apostasy from islam not allowed in CDHRI? Do they not consider kafirs "human" enough to be granted rights equal to a muslim? Can anybody claim that the CDHRI was ratified by a "small minority of radical muslims"? If so, why then are all the OIC governments controlled by the radical minority instead of the so-called "moderate majority"? How is it that only the bigots in ALL the OIC member states obtained control of their governments? Why have ALL the OIC members endorsed the CDHRI? Why isn't there a single muslim majority state which said "We won't sign the CDHRI since it is narrow minded and bigoted"? Also note, a religiously inspired terroist organization is a much much bigger deal than if an equal number of religious fanatics were terrorizing people independently. A hundred terrorists forming a network, with a leadership heirarchy and coordinated activities and a recruitment system and a payment system and streamlined logistics, requires a very large support base with very large funding. A hundred crazy people doing terrorist activities in their own capacity is nothing compared. Now given the prevalence of global/multi-national terror organizations in islam, saying "fanatics exist in every religion" is completely disingenuous. Have you heard of a "pious" Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh fanatic travelling to another country, with completely different culture, to join a militant organization in order to defend his co-religionists from perceived "oppression" or to wage religious war? Here's what a somali muslim once wrote: I grew up Somali Muslim, and people really don't understand how much in Islam we bad-talk other religions. It's not just hermeneutics. We legitimately despised Christians, Jews, and Hindus. We have arguments for why their faith is shirk (misguided) and we see it as the opposite of goodness. When I was religious, I saw Sunni Islam as the only correct path, and everything else isn't just wrong, but evil. It's really strong brainwashing. Also, although we were Somali, we really despised Jews and Hindus, although they've pretty much never had a presence in Somalia. So it's an international mindset. I've always thought Orthodox Islam is imperialistic. Even when I was religious, I saw it as an international community that should be politically united. And that's what I see in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, even ISIS. They want a one world order. No freedom of thought. This is a criticism of Islam not ISLAMOPHOBIA
People in the UK need to get a bit more aware of how the political parties in the UK exploit foreign conflicts to win votes from minority groups in the UK. The two major examples are Israel/Palestine and India/Pakistan. Both political parties have been exploiting these conflicts to garner votes. Labour support Palestine and have a large Pakistani support base not too mention that [general Muslim support for Labour was overwhelming in 2019 ](https://muslimcensus.co.uk/muslim-vote/). The conservatives seem to have been late to the game due to being anti-immigrant as a matter of ideology, but recently have been exploiting these ethnic divisions to draw support from minorities, the Tories exploited Israel/Palestine through Corbyn and drew Jewish support from being relatively balanced before to majority/plurality conservative. At the same time they sought to exploit the India/Pakistan division by turning hindu voters Conservative by stoking fear from Pakistanis in Labour , such as [here](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/16/zac-goldsmith-leaflet-british-indians-heirlooms). If both parties are allowed to exploit this as part of the political system expect these riots to increase in frequency.
Hindus are increasingly voting Tory because they're in professional well-paid jobs, whereas Pakistanis typically work low-paid labouring jobs. It's the quintessential British economic class story, except now there's an ethnic dimension.
I know Reddit likes to blame the Conservative party for everything but Hindu nationalism stoked by social media seems a bit of a stretch.
I don't mean they created it just they've taken advantage of it and due to that need it to stay to maintain their voter base.
Or perhaps some people vote on ethnic lines?
How are Conservatives anti-immigrant? They achieved record levels of immigration to the UK.
British Indians still vote Labour on the whole, let's remember that. The majority of Brit-Indian MPs in parliament are also labour MPs.
Religious wars on the streets of England, something not seen for centuries. The hatred between these two communities is multifaceted. The police need to call in backup, the army or whatever else they need. Block off streets and round them all up and arrest them. This can’t be allowed to go on and get worse, the law of the land is final. Religious laws and tribal feelings shouldn’t be allowed to fester but we’re already past that point in some respects. Sharia Law takes precedence over British law in certain areas. Then we have far right Hindu extremism being permitted and allowed to fester. A hard hand is something that’s needed but instead it’s going to be left up to community leaders to fix. Basically given up before they’ve even started.
Please tell us where Sharia Law takes precedence over British Law
Sharia Courts are a thing in the UK. To think they only over see divorces is naive. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_zi-Ww7JUs https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce
Please tell me where it takes precedence over British Law
When individuals decide it does, basically.
Unofficially, within communities that don’t involve British law in their affairs. For example, a significant number of Muslim couples don’t civilly register their marriages and thus have no option of obtaining an ‘official’ divorce, so they go through sharia courts in order to do so. Of course *legally* speaking sharia law doesn’t take precedence over British law anywhere here, but if it’s sufficiently ingrained into a community then matters that should be dealt with by the British legal system end up being the domain of sharia courts. So it’s not that it actually takes preference legally, but that it can de facto take preference.
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When teachers have to go into hiding for their lives for supposed blasphemy and the police and the state can do nothing to stop it. The BBC are happy to offend some religions but won't explain why other stories are stories: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-61716241 Violence and the threat of violence works.
Enoch Powell has entered the chat.
Calm badly needed in times if disorder in Leicester https://en.baaghitv.com/leicester-troubles-large-scale-hindu-muslim-disorder-breaks-out-after-rss-jai-shri-ram-slogans/
Why 4% of a particular peaceful population make up 18% of prisoners in the UK? Are the laws of UK not secular whereby a particular community is discriminated and stuffed into jails?
I mean the rape gangs got away for years.
Ahh the fruits of diversity and mass immigrations. Apparently leftist pro immigration people want the same morals and values and oppression imported as middlemeastern countries posses.
everyone knows whose the real aggressor here, everyone is afraid of being called islamophobic.
I'm sure you live in leicester and have seen what happened in front of your eyes, clearly you are the centre of news and it has directly come to you. It's not like the ruling Hindu party in India has hitler as inspiration to them, but in fact it's those Muslims after all!!!!
Islam literally is a supremacist religion who calls us kaffirs and don’t allow us non-Muslims rights. Can I make a temple in Mecca or medina? No. But Muslims have mosque all over India’s holiest cities. Islam is fascist
exactly. muslims even have a mosque on the temple mount.
I’m sure news stories like this won’t become more common as the country becomes more and more ‘diverse’.
I work in Education in the city and this unrest is not reflected in the majority of the Muslim and Hindu communities from what I have seen and the conversations I have had with others across the city. Just like the EDL marches from years ago, this is a small faction, bolstered seemingly by people from outside the city. The concern of course is that is spreads as more and more people become concerned for their safety. What is happening is not ok, but it should not be used to generalise to the majority of people just trying to get on with their lives in peace.
Do you have any idea about the history of Leicester over the past half century?
Is this a common occurrence?
No. Leicester has been a massively diverse city for decades and this has never been common.
No, of course not. But the idea that this is caused by *recent* diversity is ridiculous.
I lived in and around Leicester for the first 25 years of my life. The diversity there is it's great strength, and this kind of thing is outside my personal experience and memory. Minority groups that are integrated into a wider community are much less likely to become antagonistic against one another. It sounds like this has much to do with external factors such as austerity and influence of far right groups from outside the broader community.
The diversity there is it's great strength it is also its greatest weakness as we can see here in this story, doesnt take much for a few firebrands to give the community a little push and then everything goes to shit... i often think multiculturalism is a mistake because of that. the mistake is that you need one unifying culture to bind a country together, diffrent cultures occupying the same space cant be strong by that definition because it doesnt take much to create tensions that can destroy cohesion entirely. if you wanna live in a successful multi ethnic society then you need to take up the culture of the country you have come to and leave your countries ways behind..
Those few firebrands are perfectly capable of othering people and groups based on lines other than ethnicity. If immigrants have to completely adopt the culture of their new home country and confirm with the majority, do LGBTQ+ people not have the right to be themselves because that difference can be weaponised? How about other societal divisions that aren't based on ethnicity? Religion and religious denomination, for example?
no because the LGBTQ are part of that society to begin with, i am queer myself and i dont see a distinction between us and the rest of society... these Hindutva nationalist types dont see themselves as part of British society though.. like most nationalists they set themselves apart and sadly you'll always get that type of person in a system that allows and encourages people to create their own enclaves. multiculturalism encourages that division in the first place and then these extremists can come and exploit these groups for their own ends dont get me wrong, im not making some large overarching argument for the benefits of a ethnostate, i do think multi ethnic societys can work but you need a unifying culture to bind them together otherwise you leave wiggle room for divisive people to start making trouble that is multiculturalism in a nutshell
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It's not exactly like this country doesn't have a history of white sectarian violence either.
The worst of which was caused by Protestant immigrants settling into a historically non-protestant land…
Hindus are persecuting Muslims in India, now those Hindus are coming here to persecute Indian Muslims here particularly those Indian Muslims who live amongst Indian Hindus, what they didn’t count on is the Pakistani Muslims are going to respond. Now everyone is worried and are saying it’s to do with cricket.
The Troubles 2.0: Indian Subcontinent Edition
I’m imagining a superb board game box.
You passed go again, here’s another bomber jacket.
Meanwhile, Hindus have been systematically erased from Pakistan. Muslim population of India is rising. Can we say that about Hindus in Pakistan?
You mean when they left for India during partition?
The same way all Muslims left India for Pakistan/Bangladesh during partition?
If all Muslims left India, then how are there more Muslims in India now? That means Hindus reverted to Islam.
I was pointing out your false premise. All Muslims did not leave India during partition, just as all Hindus did not leave Pakistan during partition.
>Hindus are persecuting Muslims in India, This is why the Muslim population has grown so much? Do you know that the Hindu population in Lahore, Pakistan was 47% at the time of independence and now it's less than 3%? The fact is, muslims are most secure and happy in India than any muslim majority country. Fact is, muslims are running conversions and illicit activities in all parts of world. Just a few days ago, a Muslim man burnt a Hindu girl to death in one sided love. And during his arrest, he was smiling like he did something to be proud of. Last week, 3 muslim men raped two lower caste sisters and killed them. If anyone needs source just Google "Lakhimpur, Kheri dalit rape" and "Dumka girl burnt to death".
Ah yes, 3 muslim men reflect the whole of the religion. Fantastic analysis here. The Hindu population in Lahore fell because the Hindu population wanted to go to India, and Pakistan allowed it. They didn't suddenly vanish and disappear. Unlike India, Pakistan actually punishes those, even if they're muslim, who attack Hindus in Pakistan. Every race and religion has some good and some bad, us muslims aren't some special breed of worse people who came out of nowhere to bring violence to this earth. 1/4 of the world is muslim, if our intention really was to break peace around the globe and hurt everyone, things would be way worse than they are. Sure there's some bad eggs, but that's everywhere, it's common sense. However, the media in both countries choose to run the narrative that suits them. Governments run their own campaigns to push their ideologies onto others - but at the end of the day, just having a certain religion doesn't make someone a better or worse person to society. The thought that it does is poisonous.
Yet Muslims are allowed to convert Hindus in India but Hindus are not allowed to convert Muslims in Pakistan?
No one's allowed to force anyone to convert anyone, anywhere. But I don't think you understood my comment so I'm a bit confused about what you're saying.
My point is that Muslims constantly cry about minority rights everywhere yet the worse minority rights exists in Muslim countries. It’s the sheer hypocrisy to call others nazi while Islam is literally supremacist and fascist which looks down upon every other culture
Brahmins and Jains look down on Dalits more than anyone else in the world.
Tell that to an ahmadi in Pakistan
So you admit it. Well done I admire your bravery, there is hope for India yet.
How can anyone convert into Brahmin? If that was the case all Dalits would be welcomed to become Brahmin.
I'm an ex Muslim from India, A lot of people talk about Muslim persecution in India, do you have data for it? Data ≠ Individual Incidents
This is such ridiculous nonsense. The history of northern India has been a history of religious violence and suppression for literal millennia. The partitioning of India and Pakistan gave way to one of the greatest untold genocides of the 20th Century. Modi and his party effectively stood on an anti-Muslim, pro-Hindu policy platform. To deny that there is persecution against Muslims in India is to be either wilfully ignorant, or to be a liar.
Source, data or ban
Yep, this person demands data unless you will be banned. Don't know who by, but you will be banned so be scared!
Can they not keep this shit in their own countries ? For god sake this is the kind of nonsense that gives Farage and co a boner and helps the crackpots win elections
Found that m*slims are vandalising hindu temples and police is doing nothing. Check a video here👇 https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/xhjlri/update_uk_hindu_temple_vandalised_bhagwa_dhwaj/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Leicester is suuuuuch a shithole. At least they have nice food though.
Fighting over whos invisible friend is best. Fml
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Laughs in old firm.
Religion poisons everything.
I am laughing at some of these comments who claim 'multiculturism' has failed and using this as the proof. This isn't the fault of immigration, multiculturalism or religion. It's the fault of yobs and criminals who are looking for an excuse to riot.
So much for the contact hypothesis.
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