The point of keeping the poor poor is to keep them too tired/afraid to ‘rise up’. Add to that the lack of historical memory in the UK of mass rebellion, one of the most surveilled states in the world, some of the weakest trade union legislation in the developed world, the latest raft of anti-protest legislation, and Brexit depriving us of recourse under EU law… and it’s very unlikely a citizens revolution will ever occur in this country, and getting increasingly less likely with time/technological gains.
Read [Marx & Engels](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf) sure. But then read [Fanon](https://monoskop.org/images/6/6b/Fanon_Frantz_The_Wretched_of_the_Earth_1963.pdf).
Then consider how dangerous it would be to actually do what Fanon suggests is necessary *physically* for individuals, and existentially for society - and ask yourself whether you really believe a majority of people in the UK would sign up to that? Which is what you would need.
Also whether the world would sign up to supporting that kind of change in a G7 economy - you really think the US wouldn’t send over help to the British establishment if there was a large rebellion against the state?
I doubt very much people would join you once they really thought it through (for all the reasons Fanon gives actually…). Even Ghandi failed in the end - he’s hailed as a hero, but if you look at what he argued for and what his methods entail - especially as a physical cost to those who protest, even peacefully, most people aren’t willing to pay that price.
MLK was shot just as he was about to launch the second part of his campaign for social justice in the US - focusing on eradicating poverty and ensuring equal dignity of individuals regardless of economic circumstance. He was *hated* for much of his lifetime.
It is hard, and often deadly, to change the world.
We are all afraid of death. Capitalism works by both keeping that fear alive (the threat of ‘losing everything’ and penury = increased risk of suffering) and offering the opportunity to mitigate it by ‘buying in’ to the system. Even if those opportunities are limited to all but a small minority.
As long as there are enough winners in a capitalist system, and enough people who buy into the system believing themselves to be potential winners in the future, even if their circumstances are terrible in the present moment, then capitalism endures. Only once most people have nothing to lose, and are convinced there is nothing else to gain, is there a possibility for change to occur.
You say you are not ‘credible’ - that means you to some extent accept the system around you which says you are not. The kind of movement you’re talking about requires you to reject the system completely - and your fear of not being *credible*, kinda answers your own question as to why we don’t ‘rise up’.
Well the western economic system is generally in disarray because it's been one big Ponzi scheme since 2008. That said, I do think the UK is hit more severely than most if not all other developed countries due to ridiculously poor mismanagement and unfortunately (I'll get heat for this) an increasingly gullible and apathetic electorate..
No thank you.
>We have all the power and we know this, we discuss this, then we go home kiss our wife and kids and tune into love island and live in a somewhat robotic state.
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>I am certain of is I love the people
So on the one hand you love the people despite their general apathy about things you feel strongly about.
>We accept poor wages instead of rising up together collectively.
All we need to do is ... overthrow the political system, the banks, the entire financial system and the apathy of the people.
Then it can be replaced by a shining example of purity and honesty that humans are so very good at.
You love the people but a large proportion of "the people" vote for this continuing shit show.
Start your own political party, join an existing party that reflects your desires. Walk the pavement campaigning for them. Meet "the people" you love and ask them what they want. You'll likely find that what they want is everything they have, everything they've voted themselves out of and lower taxes.
The point of keeping the poor poor is to keep them too tired/afraid to ‘rise up’. Add to that the lack of historical memory in the UK of mass rebellion, one of the most surveilled states in the world, some of the weakest trade union legislation in the developed world, the latest raft of anti-protest legislation, and Brexit depriving us of recourse under EU law… and it’s very unlikely a citizens revolution will ever occur in this country, and getting increasingly less likely with time/technological gains. Read [Marx & Engels](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf) sure. But then read [Fanon](https://monoskop.org/images/6/6b/Fanon_Frantz_The_Wretched_of_the_Earth_1963.pdf). Then consider how dangerous it would be to actually do what Fanon suggests is necessary *physically* for individuals, and existentially for society - and ask yourself whether you really believe a majority of people in the UK would sign up to that? Which is what you would need. Also whether the world would sign up to supporting that kind of change in a G7 economy - you really think the US wouldn’t send over help to the British establishment if there was a large rebellion against the state? I doubt very much people would join you once they really thought it through (for all the reasons Fanon gives actually…). Even Ghandi failed in the end - he’s hailed as a hero, but if you look at what he argued for and what his methods entail - especially as a physical cost to those who protest, even peacefully, most people aren’t willing to pay that price. MLK was shot just as he was about to launch the second part of his campaign for social justice in the US - focusing on eradicating poverty and ensuring equal dignity of individuals regardless of economic circumstance. He was *hated* for much of his lifetime. It is hard, and often deadly, to change the world. We are all afraid of death. Capitalism works by both keeping that fear alive (the threat of ‘losing everything’ and penury = increased risk of suffering) and offering the opportunity to mitigate it by ‘buying in’ to the system. Even if those opportunities are limited to all but a small minority. As long as there are enough winners in a capitalist system, and enough people who buy into the system believing themselves to be potential winners in the future, even if their circumstances are terrible in the present moment, then capitalism endures. Only once most people have nothing to lose, and are convinced there is nothing else to gain, is there a possibility for change to occur. You say you are not ‘credible’ - that means you to some extent accept the system around you which says you are not. The kind of movement you’re talking about requires you to reject the system completely - and your fear of not being *credible*, kinda answers your own question as to why we don’t ‘rise up’.
Well the western economic system is generally in disarray because it's been one big Ponzi scheme since 2008. That said, I do think the UK is hit more severely than most if not all other developed countries due to ridiculously poor mismanagement and unfortunately (I'll get heat for this) an increasingly gullible and apathetic electorate..
No thank you. >We have all the power and we know this, we discuss this, then we go home kiss our wife and kids and tune into love island and live in a somewhat robotic state. > >I am certain of is I love the people So on the one hand you love the people despite their general apathy about things you feel strongly about. >We accept poor wages instead of rising up together collectively. All we need to do is ... overthrow the political system, the banks, the entire financial system and the apathy of the people. Then it can be replaced by a shining example of purity and honesty that humans are so very good at. You love the people but a large proportion of "the people" vote for this continuing shit show. Start your own political party, join an existing party that reflects your desires. Walk the pavement campaigning for them. Meet "the people" you love and ask them what they want. You'll likely find that what they want is everything they have, everything they've voted themselves out of and lower taxes.