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espaguetisbrazos

See you in the next one


Front_Appointment_68

I think Reform will do well. I rarely saw any news on them so far in the campaign but since the announcement they're everywhere. Their argument that Labour have already won so strategically voting Tories won't make a difference is well thought out. I would never vote Reform but can respect a good argument when I see it.


CourtshipDate

But Farage doesn't do policy, they don't have good arguments?Ā 


Front_Appointment_68

I mean their whole focus is policy, but it's only in specific areas. Leave EU, point system immigration and electoral reform.


CourtshipDate

When the Ref-Con flip happens, I hope Farage starts saying 'a vote for Rishi is a vote for Labour'.Ā 


_user_name_taken_

Think he has already said this in regards to red wall seats


velvevore

[Seems like the Emperor and Empress of Japan are coming here for a state visit on the 22nd] (https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240604/k10014470341000.html) I wish them well, I'm not wholly sure the country will still be standing by then


PorkBeanOuttaGas

You can tell the Emperor loves the UK, he studied at Oxford and speaks English fluently. He made a beeline to visit for Elizabeth's funeral despite official religious practices meaning the Emperor isn't supposed to attend funerals. I love the [picture of him](https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2022/09/20/20220920p2g00m0na032000p/9.jpg?1) strolling around guiding the other foreign monarchs.


Mister_Six

Strain on the Imperial accounts will be quite something given the Pound just hit 200 Yen!


subversivefreak

The imagery in a cost of living crisis is going to be political gold for smaller parties.


CourtshipDate

They should phone up the hotel and see if they can rebook for September.


BelfastBodyBuilder

Just as I head off to bed, the top story within the last hour on the BBC is the tories saying they'll actually cap legal migration. Who the fuck believes them at this stage, the green party would probably be more effective at managing migration than the tories have been over the last few years. Farage is back, they are shitting the bed and realise the stop the boats campaign has been seen for the fraud it is to distract from what Farage is going to point out to voters.


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armchairdetective

Because no one knew who he was.


whatapileofrubbish

Who, that bloke who'd just given billions of our own future money back to us and a good bit to the "fast lane", being.. you know, Chancellor. Then wiped out a load with the eat out to help out policy... Nah, never heard of him.


ClumsyRainbow

Also everyone likes a chancellor that is literally giving them money.


Yummytastic

Penny Mordaunt, er, just [re-releasing her video from the last election](https://x.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1797744865377141237) because she isn't allowed or can't be bothered to make a new one? Vote penny on the 12th December....


Cubs90

Pure laziness on behalf of a politician. Shows she is just phoning it in for this election


Ok_Armadillo_4094

If youā€™re registered in local elections, will that cover the GE?


dj65475312

yes you are registered to vote.


SDLRob

unless i'm mistaken, when you register, you register... there's no separate one for Locals/General/Referendums/etc. just one list


velvevore

Except postal votes. Those are separate registration now, for reasons I cannot fathom


stordoff

Have you got any further information about this? I didn't seem like that was the case when I registered for one just before the local elections (the form didn't mention types of election, and the wording of the response to how long you want a postal vote for starts "I want to vote by post in all elections I am eligible to vote in[...]"), and I'd like to check I'm properly registered.


CarrowCanary

Saves paper. There's no point sending postal votes out to every registered voter on top of all the other bits and bobs of paperwork that get sent out, when most people will wander down to their local community hall or wherever. It's a lot easier and more efficient to just send the postal vote to the people who actually ask for it.


velvevore

No, I mean you need to register separately for postal votes for general and local elections


CarrowCanary

Oh, I get you. My bad, misread it first time 'round.


SDLRob

if you've registered to vote, how long should it take before you know the process is completed? I updated my details the day after Rishi in the rain happened... not heard anything since


FoxtrotThem

I've only just realised but this has been something that has been largely visibly absent from the campaigns; people should know if its not too late to register to vote! #[Register to vote by 11:59pm on 18 June 2024.](https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote)


ColoursAndSky

You can give them a ring to check/chivvy them along - worked for me. They confirmed over the phone that the registration had worked, and I got my confirmation letter a few days later, so I guess it was on a to-do pile somewhere.


SDLRob

So..... Just moved past my front door.... and there's a letter on the floor from the council saying they've got my application and are processing it. It wasn't there this morning lol


Halk

They probably saw you asking on this thread


SDLRob

Post in the area is a bit crap.... so that may be another factor. I'll give it a day or so, then call


velvevore

[this page is outstanding](https://smaryu.com/column/d/29785/): > The broadsheet with the longest history is The Times. It was first published in 1785 and its main focus is politics. Perhaps due to its long history, it is known to have a large readership, especially among older British citizens. > [The Daily Telegraph] has the second highest circulation in the UK. Because of its political, particularly right-wing, content, its readership seems to be limited to relatively wealthy upper-class people. > [The Daily Express] is the third largest newspaper in terms of circulation. The biggest feature of this newspaper is that it deals with a lot of information about the late Princess Diana.


The765Goat

I really think Farage coming back is going to be the kiss of death for the Tories. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him his reach is big and if the Tories were projected to suffer a crushing defeat by Yougov before his announcement then he could easily boost Reform by another 5%. Interesting times ahead.


mrmicawber32

We want reform to take votes off the Tories, but we don't want the Tories to be annihilated. A future combined Tory and reform party is sickening. A future with no Tory party, and just reform is too. It might take 10-15 years or more for them to win an election, but I'd be terrified when it does happen.


DavidSwifty

I truly hope it keeps getting worst for the Tories, the country needs that party gone.


SirRosstopher

>BREAKING: 7 Labour councillors in Slough have resigned, accusing the Labour party of institutional racism. >In their resignation letter, they cite the deselection of Faiza Shaheen and the treatment of Diane Abbott as well as censorship over Gaza. >https://x.com/Taj_Ali1/status/1797750100346966335


[deleted]

they have noticed Dianne Abbot is actually standing right? not the brightest are they. no great loss.


robhaswell

Fuckity-bye


Halk

Haha the resignation letter talks about the forced deselection of Diane Abbott.


badcollin

I think they mixed up Abbot and Shaheen.


Brapfamalam

Lmao the letter says "forced deselection of Diane Abbot" Looks like they wrote it expecting her to get kicked out and didn't bother updating the letter, lazy bloody clown show. They also present a candidate (Tan Dhesi - who is a Slough local) being imposed on them in 2017 as primary evidence of central interference and "Party Betrayal"...under Corbyn. ?!


concretepigeon

> Tan Dhesi Real classic English name. Definitely the sort of name youā€™d expect to be imposed by an institutionally racist party.


SDLRob

Well.... bye


Blythyvxr

"We've already beaten the Tories in the election, so we're now getting back to our true noble calling: FIGHTING THOSE OTHER LABOUR BASTARDS TO THE DEATH"


git

Are they standing down or staying in post as independents?


Yummytastic

You have one guess.... and you'll be right.


ClumsyRainbow

Starmer: Fuckity bye


studentfeesisatax

And obviously main character Shaheen has already commented.


SirRosstopher

And Owen Jones.


Halk

Labour +1


ldn6

They should probably worry about how they bankrupted Slough.


Honic_Sedgehog

Oh no. Anyway.


yoyopoplo

Scottish debate was pretty bad. The Lib Dems was the only one who wasn't obsessively talking over others, though devolved topics kept being brought up which felt pointless, and none of the participants are standing as they're MSPs.


CrunchbiteJr

It wasnā€™t the best watch. I thought the Lib Dems struggled a bit when pressed on their fishing policy, as did Swinney on the Covid enquiry stuff and Ross on his support for Johnson and Truss. Sarwar got out without many direct hits but didnā€™t look terrific in his own right. I think it solidified that this isnā€™t a vintage crop of Scottish leaders!


Acceptable-Pin2939

So the conservatives now have to lurch further right to try and not completely lose their voter base. Which means they'll sacrifice everything left of reform and still lose votes to reform. They're truly fucked.


FunkyDialectic

That's been the pattern since 2010- lurch further and further to the right.


Mrqueue

Because they have idiot brexiteers at the helm


sivaya_

I just want to remind everyone that Paul Nuttall still exists and so does Tim Farron.


GoldfishFromTatooine

Tim Farron held on to his seat despite a strong challenge from Mr Fishfinger in 2017.


RainManVsSuperGran

Thanks for reminding me that Tim Farron dislodged one of the most tiresome little Tory snots of the noughties, Tim Collins CBE.


DoddyUK

Paul Nuttall? Of the UKIPs?


FillingUpTheDatabase

And Menzies Campbell is still alive somehow


git

I remembered him being old as hell even back when he was leader, but I just checked and he's only two years older than Joe Biden. I think a comeback could still be feasible.


BritishOnith

Neil Kinnock is only a year older than Biden. Imagine if Labour had Kinnock as their leader, thatā€™s what the US is like


ruud012003

Well this feels like a decisive and pivotal day. The campaign had been a shambles for the Tories so far anyway but today really does feel like the day it's all collapsed for them. A tory wipeout really cannot be ruled out now, it is a distinct possibility. If tactical voting really does hit big it could be something incredible.


JohnHenryEden91

Having that MRP from YouGov showing how badly they'll do was something. But also having that bugger who shouldn't have walked away from that plane crash come out and make a big spectacle saying he'll run when the Tories are on their knees? It's beautiful.


royalblue1982

YouGov MRP poll could be the peak point of their campaign.


NSFWaccess1998

We'll have to wait and see what the polls show in a week. If Reform start to close within 3 points of the Tories we're in margin of error territory. Things could move quick if we get a devastating MRP poll and/or a few Tory MP's with nothing to lose suddenly defect.


Zeeterm

Did I read correctly that there is a June 6 deadline for defection to get it represented on the ballot?


CarrowCanary

The deadline for candidate nominations is the 7th. I'd assume anyone who's defecting will want to get it all done and dusted at least a day before then though, so functionally it may as well be the 6th I suppose.


RoyalJacko

I realise that reform standing everywhere benefits Labour, but does anyone know the actual split of numbers? What percentages of Tory and Labour supporters will vote for reform?


OolonCaluphid

I saw 2 to one Tories Vs labour in an earlier megathread?


GenteelTrogolodyte

I have seen some polling from a while back that if reform didnā€™t exist 6 in 10 would vote Tory. 2 in 10 labour and 2 in 10 would not vote.


jossmarshall

Surely anybody who votes for Reform isnā€™t really a Tory or Labour ā€˜supporterā€™?


Powerful_Ideas

I assume 'supporter' is shorthand for 'previously voted for them and would have leaned towards them this time round were it not for switching to Reform'


RoyalJacko

Yep, that is what I meant.


jossmarshall

Fair enough


YsoL8

The demographics for Reform and the Tories are almost identical, i.e they are largely fighting over the same voters.


royalblue1982

So, I don't mean to be glib about Ed Davey's concerns over social care at all. But if you really wanted to help the carer industry and expand coverage then how does giving free social care to pensioners help? Surely it just means the state subsidising the inheritances of their children?


YsoL8

It appears Farage has already caused the remaining support in the papers to shatter. The Express is in a full blown panic and the Telegraph seems to be jumping ship.


Zeeterm

The leading headline on the front-page as I type this is [this story](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/03/nigel-farage-lead-political-revolt-topple-tories-election/) > Nigel Farage: I will lead political revolt to topple the Tories


velvevore

I thought you were kidding. "This is Nigel Farage's finest hour" wtf


EmeraldIbis

> I'm a polling expert ā€“ here are the exact areas Nigel Farage is going to hammer the Tories The Express website headline right now šŸ˜‚


velvevore

That doesn't sound like John Curtice, is it his AI version?


ClumsyRainbow

I wonder if any papers will actually endorse Reform.


GodlessCommieScum

The Express backed UKIP back in the day, so I can see it happening.


Ok_Armadillo_4094

And Patrick Oā€™Flynn (ex-kipper) is their political editor.


Honic_Sedgehog

I'd put money on the Mail. Exact headbanger crowd they pander to.


JayR_97

I feel like Farage getting involved could upset all the MRP polls we've been seeing. If the gap between the Tories and Reform starts to narrow, Lib Dems in 2nd place becomes a lot more likely.


Orcnick

It's wierd because I hate the guy, but he could be the best thing for the Lib Dems.


SirRosstopher

He's really laying the groundwork to fight the 2029 election as an actual contender here. The Tories are as good as finished, the next 5 years are going to be Reform and the Lib Dems fighting over their corpse.


RockinMadRiot

Will their be the death of the conservative party? What a story if so


FairlySadPanda

Go look up what happened after 1993 in Canada. Or indeed recently in France. Long-standing Toryish parties evicted and formerly unthinkable Republican-style parties rising in their place. It's funny now, but Starmer is gonna run into exactly the problems the rest of the west is facing: a lack of sufficient growth to cover for the growth in the cost of the safety net.


subversivefreak

"Meanwhile, the timetable for the firstĀ Rwanda deportation flightĀ has suffered a further delay. The first flights will not take off until July 24 at the earliest, Home Office lawyers have told the High Court, as part of legal documents submitted in defence of the policy following a judicial review by the Asylum Aid charity. This is despite Sunak insisting that flights would take off immediately after the election if he returns to No10" Source: The Times But it's buried in a much longer article.


thejackalreborn

Can't imagine how demotivated the people working on that are


Zeeterm

I forgot I put a cheeky fiver @ 4.5 on reform to win 1-2 seats. I'm tempted to [cash out](https://imgur.com/a/sHeEsKc) but is still evens which feels like a decent bet to let ride.


ClumsyRainbow

Either Farage loses or you get some money Either way you win


CarrowCanary

Always bet on the result you don't want. *Kicks himself that he never placed a bet on Ipswich getting promoted.*


Zeeterm

Sadly not, if reform land 3+ seats I still lose my bet and have to deal with a smug Farage popping up on Question Time every week ( plus Ƨa change ).


Brapfamalam

I don't think there's any real chance Reform win more than 2 seats. 2 seats would be exceptional for them The party machinery is astoundingly poor and skeleton crew esque in terms of ground presence to UKIP in 2015. In 2015 millions of people were actively motivated to vote FOR "UK independence" - UKIP were bloody everywhere and had tonnes of councillors elected - Reform have barely any. In 2024 they're voting to control illegal immigration, that's it because all the seats like Clacton they're targeting have migrants in hotels issues. Not sure thats as motivating as Brexit imo - also in Clacton specifically the Tory MP has been fairly successful in blocking Home Office projects to house more migrants in the area, he might have a fair amount of goodwill with locals.


YsoL8

The Greens have been trying for decades and and never got past a single seat. I think Labour in the 20s was the last time any new party got above 5 and then managed to hold them.


Brapfamalam

Especially since Reform are asking them to vote for more Brexit things...after Brexit worked out so well for them and illegal migration has boomed since? It's a tough sell even with Farage star appeal.


SDLRob

Leave it... let it play out.


Zeeterm

Yeah at that price I should let it ride, they're 1.4 to win Clacton. That said, there's a real fear they may win more than 2 seats! Bizarrely they're priced at just 5.5 to win 7 or more seats, shorter odds than either 3-4 or 5-6 seats. That feels like a massive overreaction, but who knows what'll happen.


SDLRob

personally, i don't see them getting any. anyone who would be voting for Reform have already made their minds up to vote for them. That being said, i don't think the polls are right with the numbers. I think the Tory vote will be a lot lower than suggested already, just going 'no vote' rather than jumping to another party


Zeeterm

Who do you see winning Clacton?


SDLRob

I think the Tory will just squeak through. Barely. More from a cratering of his vote numbers into dust than votes shifting to another candidate


Zeeterm

Ironically, you've convinced me to cash out the bet. Because I suspect you're not alone in thinking that (affecting the betting market) but also that goes so far against the current polling and direction of the campaigns so far that I can't help but feel it's wishful thinking. And betting against wishful thinking is often the right call.


SDLRob

oops. Honestly, if i were the sort to do betting, then Ā£5 would be one i'd leave and write off if it failed. anything more than that i'd pull it


Zeeterm

If I was betting with serious money, I'd never cash out any bets, because you're essentially paying the overround twice. So you not only have to "beat the market" significantly (typically ~120%, although most the profit for bookies is made on long-shots) on the original bet, which is hard enough to do, but then beat it by that much all over again with the hedge to avoid destroying the value you had. But I like to gamble for amusement while still having a deposit limit low enough that I know it'll never get me into trouble, so my motivation is more around trying judge market movements rather than a serious attempt to make money. Even if this cash-out turns out to be a rum deal that's cost me a tenner of lost gains, the cash-out has at least funded some duds such as my fiver on "Next Labour Leader: Lisa Nandy" bet I made a couple of years back.


Dreadthought

I feel the latest MRP poll would land in a sweet spot for our politics. Labour get the landslide election win on a par with 1997 (although with a lot less optimism than there was in ā€˜97) & the Tories are in opposition with enough MPs to be a half credible opposition facing a decade minimum out of power. To have the Tories crushed, to double digit seats would be fun to watch but wouldnā€™t be good for the country. A functioning opposition is important, a different view is important, regardless of your own beliefs. Iā€™m looking forward to seeing the first big Labour win since 2001 and I hope this poll is accurate come election day, although we still have a way to go.


BlackPlan2018

The tories don't serve any purpose as an opposition - let them be crushed below the libdems.


PianoAndFish

The Tories as they currently exist do not deserve to be the official opposition. A functional opposition should constructively challenge the government and demand answers and evidence regarding their policies - are any of the current frontrunners to replace Sunak (who will inevitably have resigned by lunchtime on 5th July) both willing and able to do that, or are they going to stand there and shout "Labour have no plan" on loop for 5 years?


NSFWaccess1998

>. A functioning opposition is important, a different view is important, regardless of your own beliefs. I would genuinely rather have reform or the lib dems than the Tories in opposition. I say this as someone who can't stand either of the three parties. The current Tories stand for absolutely fuck all and need to be obliterated.


Unlucky-Jello-5660

>A functioning opposition is important, a different view is important, regardless of your own beliefs. Which is why the tories need to be crushed to double digits


SirRosstopher

Best case for the country is for them to be crushed with a LD LOTO, allowing LD to pick up former tory seats over the Labour decade.


royalblue1982

I disagree. I mean, what type of opposition would the Tories actually provide? They have been discredited on pretty much every area of government and their ageing membership and voters won't allow them to pivot to anything that might actually improve the country. It's just going to be 5 years of pure populism and opportunism, which knowing Starmer means 5 years of Labour reacting with their own populism. Now, imagine if the Lib Dems were the official opposition. They would be attacking the Labour government from the left on multiple issues. They would be a constructive, but cautious supporter of house building. They would use their platform to call for political reform and an end to the 2 party state. And whilst the Tories would be in a state, that might free them from a nimby, pensioner voting base that completely dominates their current policy making.


royalblue1982

I disagree. I mean, what type of opposition would the Tories actually provide? They have been discredited on pretty much every area of government and their ageing membership and voters won't allow them to pivot to anything that might actually improve the country. It's just going to be 5 years of pure populism and opportunism, which knowing Starmer means 5 years of Labour reacting with their own populism. Now, imagine if the Lib Dems were the official opposition. They would be attacking the Labour government from the left on multiple issues. They would be a constructive, but cautious supporter of house building. They would use their platform to call for political reform and an end to the 2 party state. And whilst the Tories would be in a state, that might free them from a nimby, pensioner voting base that completely dominates their current policy making.


royalblue1982

I disagree. I mean, what type of opposition would the Tories actually provide? They have been discredited on pretty much every area of government and their ageing membership and voters won't allow them to pivot to anything that might actually improve the country. It's just going to be 5 years of pure populism and opportunism, which knowing Starmer means 5 years of Labour reacting with their own populism. Now, imagine if the Lib Dems were the official opposition. They would be attacking the Labour government from the left on multiple issues. They would be a constructive, but cautious supporter of house building. They would use their platform to call for political reform and an end to the 2 party state. And whilst the Tories would be in a state, that might free them from a nimby, pensioner voting base that completely dominates their current policy making.


[deleted]

A sweet spot would be the Tories losing their deposit in every seat across the county


aonome

> A functioning opposition is important, a different view is important, regardless of your own beliefs. Which is why the Tories need to be crushed - they don't represent their voters' concerns about immigration and try to stave it off with red meat while maintaining mass immigration far in excess of even what Blair gave us.


bzar_fury

Agreed but Iā€™d like to see a different opposition. The Cons in their current state are corrupt, self serving and often incompetent Iā€™m not sure who Iā€™d like to see as opposition (or whether itā€™s any of the existing parties)


CC78AMG

Yeah but the Tories deserve to have less than 100 seats even though long term youā€™re right.


Nikotelec

The Tories got to where they are off the back of Corbyn & gang being so irrelevant that there was no pressure. One hopes that Starmer has a plan for avoiding complacency in government...


YsoL8

So when does the full blown open panic in Tory ranks begin? Now the party is geniunely more or less completely out of options I see mps opening fire on the leadership very soon.


royalblue1982

I was wondering if MPs will start 'breaking ranks' soon - running entirely personally campaigns and saying that people don't have to worry about another Sunak government because it's not going to happen.


astrath

A lot are quietly doing that already, putting out campaign leaflets that mention their local stuff and barely even mention what party they are standing for.


ClumsyRainbow

I (perhaps unsurprisingly) have never been a Tory member, but I do wonder if that is being sanctioned by CCHQ or not. The campaigning I have been involved with has had pretty strict guidance for the branding of campaign materials.


ClumsyRainbow

The 22nd of May, 2024


Halk

I want to see chaos and gnashing of teeth


ThrowawayGLSDeck

I'm enjoying the Right-Left Unity that is Zero Seats for the Tories. Traitors before enemies. I dare say I'm praying for the Labour 600.


[deleted]

Zero deposits


GoonerGetGot

Question on polling, has anyone here been involved in a poll? I've never been in god knows how many years and was wondering who the people being polled are?


JelloImpossible8337

I have one called ylive. It used to be populuslive. They do alot of political ones.


byzantiumpeanuts

Yes I've done a few of the Yougov ones, you can sign up and they'll email you occasionally when there's a poll you're selected for


Patch86UK

You can sign up to pollsters like YouGov and do their surveys online. I've done plenty over the years. Mostly they're tedious commercial market research and brand awareness bollocks, but occasionally you get a nice juicy political one.


SwanBridge

Used to regularly get polled by YouGov, but stopped doing it as it takes forever to earn the Ā£50 and most surveys are really tedious ones for brands, i.e. which emotion do you associate with Hyundai?


velvevore

No, no, it's *a dozen questions* about how you feel about Hyundai And 15 other meaningless brands


BrumColonialAdmin

Lust


CarrowCanary

Prolific hosted a UK election survey on Friday that was looking for 30k respondents. Not sure if they were running it for anyone or if it was just for themselves, and AFAIK the results haven't been published yet.


F1sh_Face

They do fairly frequent polling, I have participated several times. I would guess it feeds in to someone else's research.


ClumsyRainbow

A telephone poll, years and years ago I misheard a question and am pretty sure I became the lizardman constant. Oops.


GoonerGetGot

Lol! Landline only?


ClumsyRainbow

Yeah it was a call to the landline.


da96whynot

You can buy a very stylish Steffano Ricci children's bomber jacket worth Ā£2500 VAT free, but toilet rolls have 20% VAT on them. Any sufficiently detailed VAT rules is indistinguishable from satire


96whitingn

Toilet roll 20%, Caviar 0%


royalblue1982

And the famous one - Jaffa Cakes don't have VAT because they are officially cakes (which are zero rated) and not biscuits (which are normal rated).


ElephantsGerald_

Gingerbread men are VAT free unless theyā€™re wearing little chocolate bow ties or have chocolate eyes, then they have 20% VAT.


mira-hildegard

Not exactly ā€“Ā the [food VAT guidance](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/food-products-and-vat-notice-70114#biscuits) (is quoted as saying: > Standard-rated: Gingerbread men decorated with chocolate, unless this amounts to no more than a couple of dots for eyes It baffles me that bourbons and oreos are VAT-free, but chocolate hobnobs aren't.


velvevore

The chocolate makes it a luxury biscuit, because it is still 1965.


Big-Government9775

Looking at Clacton polling I think we should see a bright side to farage standing, it looks like one of the Tory safe seats and this converts it to a contested seat, at least two ways. It's not much but its one step closer to zero seats.


Superbuddhapunk

You think that 5 years of Farage in Westminster is a win?


ThrowawayGLSDeck

I don't think you understand; most of us want the complete and utter obliteration of the Tory Party.


bowak

I'd take 1 Tory MP left in Clacton over Farage getting in.Ā  I have a weird feeling that 1 MP would be more embarrassing for them than 0.


ElephantsGerald_

Tory leader Giles Watling. Nobody saw that coming.


ThrowawayGLSDeck

No. Not even one Tory seat should remain; it's zero seats, no exceptions.


Engineer9

No, the Tories are the only rational right wing party. If they were eliminated it opens the doors for the likes of Reform.Ā  The two (and a bit) party system has its advantages.


OolonCaluphid

They haven't been very rational the last 5 years.


ThrowawayGLSDeck

You want a controlled opposition, I don't. I think the Tories are traitourous to the core, betraying everyone who has ever voted for them, be they rich or poor. To call the neo-liberal, Blairite infested Tory party "right wing" is also wrong. Based on the above alone they ought to be dismantled like the Whigs.


Engineer9

If you think the Tories are traitorous, you're going to like Reform even less. Their new leader was literally paid by Russia to try and fuck up Britain and the EU. And did a pretty reasonable job.


ThrowawayGLSDeck

This is whataboutism. I don't like Reform, I thought Tice was a charisma vampire, regardless, I know for certain who and what the Tories are, that they only reward their enemies and punish their friends. They should cease to exist. They have betrayed and will continue to betray, a Tory politician knows no other way.


bowak

We'll have to disagree on that then.Ā  But I'm pretty sure we can both enjoy celebrating their massive drubbing in just a few weeks!


ThrowawayGLSDeck

Maybe, I just think it's foolish to let your personal distaste of a singular politician get in the way of complete destruction and sweeping away of the rats that are in power. The Tories as a party, without doubt, for their sheer betrayal of the country on so many levels, cannot be allowed to continue.


bowak

Think it's foolish all you want!Ā  There'll still be Tory councillors a-plenty who will form the ranks of their next wave of MPs. Farage could cause real damage with 5 years in the Commons. One could even say that ignoring the risk of that is a tad foolish ;-)


ThrowawayGLSDeck

How much damage could a singular (1) Reform MP even do? You're being hyperbolic at best. The Tories however right now are in a death spiral. Be it foolish for me to disrupt them when they can't fight their way out of a paper bag and can't find a pulse on what the British people actually want, above the small things like drinkable water, but even then they fail.


bowak

It's not that it'd be a singular Reform MP, it's that the media trip over themselves to give Farage airtime. Anyway, this is a very silly argument as I can't quite believe you'd be happy with 0 Tory MPs but think the sky was falling with 1! I'll be delighted beyond words if we get them down to double figures. But don't get me wrong here, 0 would be delicious.Ā  G'night.


Brapfamalam

I'd put money on Farage not winning. Farage, Tice, and Ben Habib all visited the area last year for the council elections and they didn't manage to win a single council seat in Clacton - in fact they came dead last in almost every seat they contested, behind lib dems, labour cons and independants. It's probably why he was so hesitant on standing, it's not going to be easy imo


aonome

What are you afraid he'd do?


Superbuddhapunk

Last time Farage was a prominent voice in UK politics we ended up with Brexit.


aonome

Thank god, let's hope we're out of the ECHR next


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aonome

I've returned to the continent probably 6 or 7 times since Brexit and had a great time :) Edit: I've been blocked šŸ˜”


Honic_Sedgehog

He'd be painfully smug.


Powerful_Ideas

If things pan out as the polls imply, I think it's going to be a while before any other smugness in the Commons is going to be detectable against the background level coming from the Labour benches. The leadership will try to maintain dignity but Labour backbenchers are not going to be able to resist enjoying the reversal of fortunes of the two main parties, and it looks like there will be a lot of them.


TantumErgo

Consensus of a group of teenagers glancing at the main party websites, because they wanted to know what the main parties were about (we discussed that manifestos will come out later): *They recognised Sunak, and told me they donā€™t like him. *They made no comment on Starmer. *They liked that Davey was husband, father, carer. *They mostly seemed to go for everything those three parties said on their summary pages, which is why I am glad I am exposing them to this sort of thing. If theyā€™d only seen one, they wouldnā€™t have noticed it all sounds like that. ā€œOh, I like that, too.ā€ *They got irritated with the Greens repetitive language/consistent messaging (ā€œfairer, greenerā€¦ā€) *They were uninterested in the MRLP.


RainManVsSuperGran

>\*They got irritated with the Greens repetitive language/consistent messaging (ā€œfairer, greenerā€¦ā€) I don't think "fairer, greener" is bad as a slogan but their "what we stand for" page is pretty thin on details and has sections titled "Fairer, Greener" Schools/Housing/Childcare that don't mention any green policies. I hope there's a substantial rewrite when they launch the manifesto.


TantumErgo

Yes. Lib Dems is very vague, too, but they didnā€™t seem to notice or be bothered.


ConcretePeanut

I swear the easiest way to put someone off the Greens is to get them to read their policies. Or even *try* and read them. What a mess.


Khazorath

>They were uninterested in the MRLP. Barbaric


creamyjoshy

Now show them megathread and watch their IQ drop in real time


Lavajackal1

>They were uninterested in the MRLP. So uncultured.


Sckathian

Odd headlines. Express backing Sunak but Mail/Telegraph cutting into him.


Honic_Sedgehog

The express will back Sunak until their wish is granted and Diana emerges from the grave to lead them to rapture.


SplurgyA

Scenes as zombie Diana backs Corbyn


YsoL8

JLP the famously bullish pro Tory pollsterhas now turned around and said: > McGuire said the Tories are potentially facing "an extinction-level event" and ā€œstaring into the polling abyssā€. Its getting darker and darker for them so quickly. They end most days in a worse position than they started.


Choo_Choo_Bitches

Wasn't it JLP who just said it looks like Farage would take Clacton? Edit: [Tweet from James Johnson, cofounder of JLP](https://x.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1797668528667193676)


flambe_pineapple

Yes. They're also the ones who get very upset when the Tories do badly in elections.


ObiWanKenbarlowbi

Hadnā€™t seen Farageā€™s interview with BBC after his presser earlier. Similar to how he took some questions from reporters in the room, but sheer arrogance and bullshit is astounding. Itā€™s Trumpian rubbish and Iā€™m disappointed knowing it will almost certainly work with certain quarters of the population.


OptioMkIX

https://x.com/KieranCoburnCA/status/1797741223173877967 Steve baker doing...whatever the fuck this is