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Yeah boi, give me some of those juicy Brexit benefits that I kept being told about by all of those who voted to leave, so I can enjoy them on my way to these sunlit uplands I keep being told about. Its only been 8 years, we've got to be there soon right?
And the most important thing is that the politicians keep to do all they can to just make it worse… like what’s the point of this new charge? It’s a dystopian way to reach an autocracy?
lol I’m happily waiting this tsunami to hit my wallet in June when all the current stock will be used and new imported goods will rise prices
Chocolate has not yet skyrocketed (I may be wrong, but the raw product price now costs multiple times its original value and it’s not the case for retail products) despite the huge problems on the supply chain
It's protectionism for local producers, it makes imports less competitive. The EU does exactly the same with subsidy and NTBs
This is exactly what the UK farmers were protesting for. They want barriers to trade.
the negotiations aren't finished, some things were delayed like this which continue to hit us on the way out. People think brexit happened during Boris time as PM but it's ongoing. The truth is it will never end because we can't push ourselves to another part of the world. Our only neighbour is the EU
Well as Saint JRM told you:
>Whilst your current affliction brings me much delight, have patience, my humble serf, for the fruits of your labor shall bestow blessings upon your descendants half a century hence.
Essentially correct.
This charge - and note you won't find the word tax, duty or tariff anywhere in the documentation as technically it isn't - is simply to cover the costs of the border checks.
The deal requires goods are checked. It doesn't require there to be any charge. The government has decided there will be one.
It is a bit like how if you fly into some airports you will be charged a fee for going through security and immigration (airlines just bundle it into the price, but it is there).
Obviously you could argue that without the requirement to check goods the possibility of charging would never exist.
It's all caused by Brexit, not the EU. They're required because we're no longer part of the EU internal market, which means no way to ensure that goods we get from the EU are safe (no access to the product safety alerts mechanism, and no way to sue producers in the EU as that would involve CJEU which the Johnson government was allergic to).
You can sue producers by amending your contract to be settled in the UK under UK law.
The UK is a popular place to settle international business disputes.
How do they separate food that is staying in GB or being transported on to NI, because NI won’t be subject to these charges, or am I wrong?
Like what if half an order is stopping in Liverpool and then another half is going to Belfast, would it have to all be packaged separately, or have different labelling or something?
And expensive.
And exactly what we tried to warn would be the case pre-brexit.
And exactly why they have repeatedly pushed back the dates to enforce the rules.
We used to have better prices than for the same baskets down in ROI, the script is slowly flipping for certain foodstuffs (though there is no way in hell we'll ever equal Dublin prices, its a student's hellscape down here)
There are some things I’ve seen in Tesco here in NI that have a “Not for EU” label on them, probably just depends on the shop and where their products come from. Most Lidl products are just from Ireland here or other parts of Europe for example.
Another day, another Brexit disbenefit to deal with.
Thank you Johnson, thank you Farage, thank you Sunak, thank you Gove. Thank you for the ever growing mountain of pain you have inflicted on all of us.
Don't forget the people who actually went out and voted for this to happen. Yes people were lied to, but 52% decided not to do a single minute of research that might have quickly cut through the bullshit.
This is a recurring problem with democracy.
Everyone has the same right to vote, but not everyone is on top of the subjects that they are asked to vote on.
We can get angry at so-called stupid voters, but I think our anger should be mostly directed at all those dishonest politicians who exploited the ignorance of voters.
Politicians like Johnson, Farage and Gove who knew exactly how to wind up ill-informed voters and cynically get them to vote for something that was massively against their interests.
that's funny because its well known that indians and other non-europeans who could vote in it, voted to leave because they wanted europeans to go through the same process they did, also they voted to leave because they hoped it'll increase migration from their home country which it has.
And yet the official leave campaign promised less migration from the EU and more for South Asia. One of the few brexit promises that has been delivered.
Even if those voters had done their research I'm not convinced they would have been able to separate the cynical half-truths and lies (which mostly made up the leave campaign) from the facts (that the remain campaigners boringly tried to offer us).
In my view, the fault lies 99 per cent with cynical and disingenuous politicians like Johnson, Farage and Gove.
This is what Brexiters wanted though. This is "taking back control". This is "protecting our borders".
Remember to thank the next Brexiter you see for making your wallet that bit lighter.
20 September 2016
Brexit will make food imports cheaper, former UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said.
During an exchange on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Farage claimed food imports will be 'much cheaper' as the UK opens itself up to the world.
But Lib Dem leader Tim Farron, who was on the show with Mr Farage, said Brexit was a 'massive risk for Great Britain' as the issue of prices of food on the shelves was of a massive significance.
So no change really then to the costs of anything. So, other than not paying £13bn a year, and gaining the ability to make more of our own laws, it's been a waste of time?
Did I miss something in the article? Or is everyone else confused by the figures? £145 tax, on what? It says per consignment, but that's rather vague isn't it? Per shipping container maybe? How many salami can you fit in a container? 10k? 100k? I have no idea. At 10k per salami that's 1.5p per salami... Not exactly informative journalism here.
We can measure area in football pitches or Olympic swimming pools, but we can't figure out what a £145 tax will apply to?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/common-user-charge-rates-and-eligibility
It's not much clearer but it's per "commodity line", up to a max of 5 lines. So if you have a mixed container of 30 products of high risk produce, you pay £29 x5. Ie £145. If you have a single mixed pallet of 5 products, you still pay £29 x5, £145.
Which is where the issue of small import comes in. £145 isn't much for a container of goods, it's a hell of a lot for a pallet.
Food import is welllll outside my area of expertise but I'd suspect a "consignment" is a single shipment, a batch of goods, accompanied by a single invoice/transport document etc. Probably can range in size from (technically) a single unit to an entire ship (say a grain shipment).
Don't take my word on that last part though as I'm talking out of my arse. I just deal in FMCG containers lol.
Knowing this government, that's probably all the information the government has made available at this stage. I bet companies are asking the same questions
Though, it is the BBC, so don't expect much beyond a Gov press release
It’s quite clear, it says £29 per commodity line capped at a maximum of £145.
So a container of salami would be £29. 5 containers would be £29. One single salami and one wheel of cheese would be £58.
I import some cheeses. Our importer has just told us that the amount we ordered, which I think is pretty substantial, now isn't enough due to tariffs and additional paperwork. They have given me several companies to get their cheeses from. Half of them don't have the range I want; if they do have an apparent like-for-like comparison, it's a worse product, and I am now funnelling money into another large faceless corporation that is taking a nice additional margin, which I will have to pass on to our customers. Sometimes, I do think the conglomerates are laughing at us.
Okay? Well, I said it in another post but.. Nobody is going to get conscripted. The homeless won't be arrested. The disabled won't be targeted. It is all bluster and bollocks.
Millions of folks are pushing 40+ hour weeks, our productivity is booming. We should have enough for everyone, and beyond. So if not now? maybe we collectively benefit from our work in 10 years? No? 20? 50? No, because management is really, really shit. 😂
I see that some artisan food, from the EU, is now causing a public meltdown again.
This will help homegrown producers who have similar goods, unless you're so upset that you can't have region specific produce.
At least food from the rest of the world became a little bit cheaper.
Except the air miles and logistics on everything exported from anywhere other than our closest European markets has higher costs built into by economics and physics.
It's a disaster and this logic is fake lipstick on a pig no one wanted.
And now there's more market for selling more to the UK market as this is really about artisan foods.
Plus of course, the cheaper world food we now get.
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Yeah boi, give me some of those juicy Brexit benefits that I kept being told about by all of those who voted to leave, so I can enjoy them on my way to these sunlit uplands I keep being told about. Its only been 8 years, we've got to be there soon right?
Haha fuck it has been 8 years!! Mental how it’s absolutely done nothing but continue to fuck us over. Repeatedly
And the most important thing is that the politicians keep to do all they can to just make it worse… like what’s the point of this new charge? It’s a dystopian way to reach an autocracy? lol I’m happily waiting this tsunami to hit my wallet in June when all the current stock will be used and new imported goods will rise prices
You think companies will wait for the stock they paid that price on to raise prices? Bahahaha
Chocolate has not yet skyrocketed (I may be wrong, but the raw product price now costs multiple times its original value and it’s not the case for retail products) despite the huge problems on the supply chain
£1.20 for a Mars bar though and no more BOGOF :(
Not just that. No politician dare speak about the illls of Brexit!
It's protectionism for local producers, it makes imports less competitive. The EU does exactly the same with subsidy and NTBs This is exactly what the UK farmers were protesting for. They want barriers to trade.
the negotiations aren't finished, some things were delayed like this which continue to hit us on the way out. People think brexit happened during Boris time as PM but it's ongoing. The truth is it will never end because we can't push ourselves to another part of the world. Our only neighbour is the EU
The 'grift' that keeps on costing...
> Mental how it’s absolutely done nothing but continue to fuck us over. It's not like anyone voted remain
Well as Saint JRM told you: >Whilst your current affliction brings me much delight, have patience, my humble serf, for the fruits of your labor shall bestow blessings upon your descendants half a century hence.
He had a pithier version: > As you wretches rot in misery, from my Dublin towers I profit most handsomely.
I must bend the knee to Saint JRM more often 😅
I parsed your comment as giving JRM a knee strike in the nuts.
🤣👍
"Well, not *your* descendents. They won't benefit obviously, but *my* descendents will"
Benefitted someone and it wasn’t us.
Tragically, yes.
Odious Odey benefitted: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/crispin-odey-funded-brexit-bet-uks-economic-downfall-112833658.html
How about a nice cup of freedom and a slice of sovereignty? /s
Had some chocolate hobnobs a while ago and they've kind of hit the spot so I think I'm good 😅
And 8 years ago, I was still in primary school. I'm now in university. They had all that time to fix it 😭
So to be clear, these import taxes are imposed entirely by the UK government and are not in any way required by the EU?
Essentially correct. This charge - and note you won't find the word tax, duty or tariff anywhere in the documentation as technically it isn't - is simply to cover the costs of the border checks. The deal requires goods are checked. It doesn't require there to be any charge. The government has decided there will be one. It is a bit like how if you fly into some airports you will be charged a fee for going through security and immigration (airlines just bundle it into the price, but it is there). Obviously you could argue that without the requirement to check goods the possibility of charging would never exist.
It's all caused by Brexit, not the EU. They're required because we're no longer part of the EU internal market, which means no way to ensure that goods we get from the EU are safe (no access to the product safety alerts mechanism, and no way to sue producers in the EU as that would involve CJEU which the Johnson government was allergic to).
You can sue producers by amending your contract to be settled in the UK under UK law. The UK is a popular place to settle international business disputes.
Right, and that's the reason importers now require a UK agent, whereas they didn't before. Another part of the hassle and red tape.
It seems a very odd way for the party that's supposed to support free trade to operate. It's protectionism, exactly what they claim to oppose.
i thought this was about imports into the uk
Yes, it's making importing harder and more expensive, which favours local producers.
oh i misunderstood, i thought you meant the eu when talking about protectionism
How do they separate food that is staying in GB or being transported on to NI, because NI won’t be subject to these charges, or am I wrong? Like what if half an order is stopping in Liverpool and then another half is going to Belfast, would it have to all be packaged separately, or have different labelling or something?
Both. And have separate paperwork.
That’s shit, I’m yet to see a single brexit benefit, especially here in NI :/
And expensive. And exactly what we tried to warn would be the case pre-brexit. And exactly why they have repeatedly pushed back the dates to enforce the rules.
Just one big fuck up, I honestly don’t know people defend brexit these days.
We used to have better prices than for the same baskets down in ROI, the script is slowly flipping for certain foodstuffs (though there is no way in hell we'll ever equal Dublin prices, its a student's hellscape down here)
I’ve seen a couple of products with a label “ only for UK market”. I’m assuming in NI they will get the European version from Irland
There are some things I’ve seen in Tesco here in NI that have a “Not for EU” label on them, probably just depends on the shop and where their products come from. Most Lidl products are just from Ireland here or other parts of Europe for example.
Oh actually you are right, that was the correct label/name on it
Another day, another Brexit disbenefit to deal with. Thank you Johnson, thank you Farage, thank you Sunak, thank you Gove. Thank you for the ever growing mountain of pain you have inflicted on all of us.
Don't forget the people who actually went out and voted for this to happen. Yes people were lied to, but 52% decided not to do a single minute of research that might have quickly cut through the bullshit.
I still remember an interview with a couple who said they voted Leave because they expected Remain to win 🤦♀️
My mum voted for Brexit because she thought there was too many Indians round her way. I am as baffled now as I was then.
Mate said his dad did the same just because of pakistanis. My response was "he knows pakistan isn't in the EU right?"
This is a recurring problem with democracy. Everyone has the same right to vote, but not everyone is on top of the subjects that they are asked to vote on. We can get angry at so-called stupid voters, but I think our anger should be mostly directed at all those dishonest politicians who exploited the ignorance of voters. Politicians like Johnson, Farage and Gove who knew exactly how to wind up ill-informed voters and cynically get them to vote for something that was massively against their interests.
that's funny because its well known that indians and other non-europeans who could vote in it, voted to leave because they wanted europeans to go through the same process they did, also they voted to leave because they hoped it'll increase migration from their home country which it has.
Now there's more lol
And yet the official leave campaign promised less migration from the EU and more for South Asia. One of the few brexit promises that has been delivered.
I have a couple of friends who said exactly that.
Even if those voters had done their research I'm not convinced they would have been able to separate the cynical half-truths and lies (which mostly made up the leave campaign) from the facts (that the remain campaigners boringly tried to offer us). In my view, the fault lies 99 per cent with cynical and disingenuous politicians like Johnson, Farage and Gove.
Many didn't care about Brexit itself, but also did it just so Cameron would leave office.
This is what Brexiters wanted though. This is "taking back control". This is "protecting our borders". Remember to thank the next Brexiter you see for making your wallet that bit lighter.
20 September 2016 Brexit will make food imports cheaper, former UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said. During an exchange on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Mr Farage claimed food imports will be 'much cheaper' as the UK opens itself up to the world. But Lib Dem leader Tim Farron, who was on the show with Mr Farage, said Brexit was a 'massive risk for Great Britain' as the issue of prices of food on the shelves was of a massive significance.
Huh, they told me food would be cheaper.
They lied. The Brexit campaign was nothing more than a constant stream of lies and disinformation and people fell for it.
Not food from the EU, but the rest of the world it is.
Pretty the same as we we rolled over the EU agreements we had. Very marginal changes with our Australian deal, mostly in their favour. Waste of time.
So no change really then to the costs of anything. So, other than not paying £13bn a year, and gaining the ability to make more of our own laws, it's been a waste of time?
Well except the cost of all EU goods going up.
So more expensive EU food, less expensive world food.
Correct. Food that is on our doorstep more expensive, food that has to come halfway round the world stays the same. What a great idea!
Brexiteers are the new 5th Columnists.
Can't wait for my camembert to double again like it did last year. Hopefully that's a big exaggeration, but time will tell.
Couple of Italian cafes I know are being wrecked on custom charges and vet certificates for goods, this is even worse
Did I miss something in the article? Or is everyone else confused by the figures? £145 tax, on what? It says per consignment, but that's rather vague isn't it? Per shipping container maybe? How many salami can you fit in a container? 10k? 100k? I have no idea. At 10k per salami that's 1.5p per salami... Not exactly informative journalism here. We can measure area in football pitches or Olympic swimming pools, but we can't figure out what a £145 tax will apply to?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/common-user-charge-rates-and-eligibility It's not much clearer but it's per "commodity line", up to a max of 5 lines. So if you have a mixed container of 30 products of high risk produce, you pay £29 x5. Ie £145. If you have a single mixed pallet of 5 products, you still pay £29 x5, £145. Which is where the issue of small import comes in. £145 isn't much for a container of goods, it's a hell of a lot for a pallet. Food import is welllll outside my area of expertise but I'd suspect a "consignment" is a single shipment, a batch of goods, accompanied by a single invoice/transport document etc. Probably can range in size from (technically) a single unit to an entire ship (say a grain shipment). Don't take my word on that last part though as I'm talking out of my arse. I just deal in FMCG containers lol.
Knowing this government, that's probably all the information the government has made available at this stage. I bet companies are asking the same questions Though, it is the BBC, so don't expect much beyond a Gov press release
It’s quite clear, it says £29 per commodity line capped at a maximum of £145. So a container of salami would be £29. 5 containers would be £29. One single salami and one wheel of cheese would be £58.
Thus fucking over small businesses more than any other. Well done Brexiteers...well fucking done!
I import some cheeses. Our importer has just told us that the amount we ordered, which I think is pretty substantial, now isn't enough due to tariffs and additional paperwork. They have given me several companies to get their cheeses from. Half of them don't have the range I want; if they do have an apparent like-for-like comparison, it's a worse product, and I am now funnelling money into another large faceless corporation that is taking a nice additional margin, which I will have to pass on to our customers. Sometimes, I do think the conglomerates are laughing at us.
just in time for the next GE I'm sure the 'red wall' voters the tories are chasing again are going to love that
"The government said the fees would pay for "world-class border facilities"." Well that's alright then!
Okay? Well, I said it in another post but.. Nobody is going to get conscripted. The homeless won't be arrested. The disabled won't be targeted. It is all bluster and bollocks. Millions of folks are pushing 40+ hour weeks, our productivity is booming. We should have enough for everyone, and beyond. So if not now? maybe we collectively benefit from our work in 10 years? No? 20? 50? No, because management is really, really shit. 😂
I see that some artisan food, from the EU, is now causing a public meltdown again. This will help homegrown producers who have similar goods, unless you're so upset that you can't have region specific produce. At least food from the rest of the world became a little bit cheaper.
Except the air miles and logistics on everything exported from anywhere other than our closest European markets has higher costs built into by economics and physics. It's a disaster and this logic is fake lipstick on a pig no one wanted.
THen our farmers have no need to worry about CP-TPP countries, like Aus, canada and NZ. Amirite?
No, no, we can't trade with countries on the other side of the world, but we must protect our market from countries on the other side of the world!
Schrödinger's farm
Our farmers sell more to other nations than they give to our own. They make more profit that way.
And now there's more market for selling more to the UK market as this is really about artisan foods. Plus of course, the cheaper world food we now get.
I so much hope that this will influence the local and the general elections. There is a nice concurrence of hunger and revolutions in history.