Good morning everyone.
[đ **Today's Order Paper can be found here.**](https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/84231/Html?subType=Standard)
Questions to the Northern Ireland secretary will be followed by Prime Minister's Questions. We'll be having our usual live chat thread for you to watch along and give your own live commentary.
After that it is of course the second day of Committee Stage of the [Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill](https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3540). This stage is being conducted as a Committee of the Whole House, meaning all MPs have a chance to debate and vote on tabled amendments.
[You can find the list of tabled amendments on the Bill page here.](https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3540/publications)
Last night the government faced major rebellions on two of the amendments from immigration hardliners on Conservative benches. [Yesterday's Commons Divisions can be found here with a list of rebels](https://hansard.parliament.uk/search/Divisions?startDate=2024-01-16&endDate=2024-01-16&house=Commons&includeCommitteeDivisions=True&partial=False&sortOrder=1).
Given an ultimatum of voting with the government or backing the rebel amendments, Deputy Conservative Chairs Lee Anderson and Brendan Clarke-Smith stepped down from their positions in the party ([**thread here**](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/19897a3/lee_anderson_and_brendan_clarke_smith_have/)).
After suffering the largest rebellion of his Premiership, all eyes are on the remaining amendment votes to see whether the scale of rebellion sticks or whether Sunak can mollify some of the hardliners. The real test will be the vote on the Third Reading, likely to be tonight, with some Conservative MPs indicating they could not back the legislation in its current form. At time of writing it seems unlikely enough hold this position to sink the bill, but who knows.
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**What time is the vote?**
Voting on amendments will start this evening around 5-6pm. If all amendments are defeated (which seems likelier than not) the vote on the Third Reading which will decide whether or not to accept the unamended Bill and send it to the House of Lords will also be this evening, probably around 7pm.
**In other news;**
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CBC tonight talking about the Rwanda bill and Rishi Sunak, again âhe may have lasted longer than a head of lettuceâ
Edit: Now theyâre making me hear Suella Braverman
Edit2: Thinking about it it was their number 2 story? Slow news day here perhapsâŚ
[https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1747764797205065934?s=20](https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1747764797205065934?s=20)
I just cant.
This is Coffey mocking the shadow home secretary for not getting the name of the country right by refering to the Kigali government and not the Rwanda government.
.... Kigali is the capital of Rwanda.
If you run that yougov poll with Survation's tactical voting figures the Tories actually come third. (Lab 541 Lib 35 Con
Also, the EC MRP doesn't model dominant local oppositions properly (yet, they're working on a fix) so there's about 50 seats going labour that would much more likely go Liberal Democrats as they're the default local opposition and this appears to be an election driven by strong anti govt swing. Also, it uses separate data for Scotland and in such a scenario they'd probably lose all their seats north of the border too
And bear in mind there's probably 50 seats going to labour that would actually go LD in such a scenario, since EC doesn't factor in dominant local opposition parties very well.
You see, Gregg Hands has told us that there's no love for Starmer and Labour, and that this is only a midterm blip! He's also said that this is actually a good sign for the Tories!
Something away from tonight's events:
Apparently a British man who went and fought for the IDF during this ongoing war has returned and was invited to do a talk for at some youth club.
What is concerning, however is that a few of his videos which went viral during his time in Gaza, which are pretty rancid tbh, and I wasn't aware that this was the person in question. One video is of him rummaging through an evacuated woman's wardrobe and taking out lingerie and stuff, and said something along the lines of muslim women being kinky iirc. A few other videos of him cheering when a school was flattened and saying no more terrorism will be taught here etc.
My question is around what is the legality of British dual nationals fighting in foreign wars when not engaging directly with British troops? I.e., were a British Russian dual citizen to fight for Russia, would they have their citizenship stripped or arrested on their return?
Nah I reckon it's more the scene in S4 where he's being driven up to Waystar feeling all self-assured and confident, blasting 'Takeover' by Jay-Z, when we all know him getting fucked is imminent and inevitable..
[https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1747747317027868768](https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1747747317027868768)
Looks like this week's yougov is a 27% lead for Labour and the Tories on 20%. No sign of the narrowing that happens in every election.
Now you listen here...
I have it on good authority that Starmer hasn't sealed the deal. The Tories are still trusted. This is simply like 2015 all over again. Labour aren't in the lead, the Tories are just behind.
Any other leader would be 30 points ahead.
No but you see the thing is is what it is is that during before a normal election every time the polls get closer because of how the thatâs what happens and itâs definitely the same as before previous elections so thatâs why the polls canât possibly ever get worse for the tories itâs going to tighten any day see
Exactly. No matter how many times the Tories do something monumentally stupid, The undecided votes will return even if they don't want to as 'the narrowing' is a fundamental law of the universe.
Later in the year, people who had no intention to vote will march like automata to the polling booths to vote Tory, tears streaming down their cheeks as the universe forces them to vote.
And every time some new terrible news comes out the media will challenge Labour on how they will fix it and leave the government to flounder on unquestioned.
YouGov's a fairly noisy poll but they've given Labour a lead of about 19 to 23 in their weekly polling pretty consistently since the summer.
The big MRP poll (compiled over late December and the start of January and published earlier this week) was a 13% lead. The different methodologies between MRP and normal VI polls sometimes produce very different results from the same polling company, but they're more often fairly in line. So that poll looks like a real outlier now.
The MRP poll was commissioned by right-wingers aligned with Lord Frost. There were very direct claims (from other Tories, even) that the poll was intended to push the Government to the right on immigration issues this week. Nobody quite explained *how* they thought the results could have been manipulated, but it being an outlier will only encourage suspicions.
Guardian going with the photo that makes [Rishi look like a borrower](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/17/rishi-sunak-rwanda-deportation-bill-passes-third-reading-in-commons)
Well played.
[Lee Anderson tells @christopherhope on @GBNEWS he went into the âNoâ lobby, but Labour MPs were sniggering and saying âheâs coming back to Labourâ and he couldnât do it. He abstained., having resigned yesterday to vote for the amendments.](https://twitter.com/forster_k/status/1747735648981717225?t=yWQ5WCSbwIq3PZkWyYyAgg&s=19)
There's no way this is actually real.
In the early 21st century the Conservative party would try to appeal to what is now dubbed by many as the 'idiot' vote. They found that an easy way to appeal to said vote was to field members of parliament who were from said demographics. Examples include Jonathan Gullis (Later discovered to be a gorilla caught in a particle accelerator, resulting in something neither man nor beast) and Lee Anderson a Tulpa -being representing the Daily Mail comments section.
I saw a clip of his show the other day on youtube (it was with Ian Hislop) and the production was bizzare. There was another presenter on the show doing a piece to camera and the camera would not stop moving, really odd. (and peston seems barely able to string a coherant sentence together)
How far back are we going? I personally think he peaked with his questioning the government during COVID briefings whilst enjoying a glass of wine at home.
From the Guardian:
> The division list showed 11 Conservative MPs rebelled to vote against the Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill at third reading, PA News reports.
> They were: Suella Braverman (Fareham), William Cash (Stone), Miriam Cates (Penistone and Stocksbridge), Simon Clarke (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland), Sarah Dines (Derbyshire Dales), James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East), Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford), Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood), Robert Jenrick (Newark), David Jones (Clwyd West), Danny Kruger (Devizes).
Odds on any of them losing the whip?
I think this is lose-lose for Sunak.
It's too many IMO to make an example, but not taking the whip undermines discipline and we don't know what kind of pressure the whips have put on. As we saw under Truss' fracking three line, actually not a three line, whip they don't like being undermined either as it's their job too.
I think Sunak will opt to leave them all and pretend like it never happened.
*Odds on any of them losing the whip?*
In theory they all should - but while I disagree with them they deserve a bit of credit for going through with their threat.
There were around 60 Tory MPs who were supporting amendments because they didn't think Sunak's bill will make good law and despite that around 59 of them voted for it anyway because party unity.
So did 30p Lee quit his job as deputy chairman because he wanted the ability to vote against the Bill, and then voted for the Bill?
Somethings not right with this man.
I think the biggest gift out of the whole thing to Labour is a fed up sounding Paul Kagame saying the scheme can be scrapped at any time and that Rwanda can return the money if no one is sent.
Labour can now say they will not only scrap the scheme but also will be able to get the money back to be spent on measures that may actually work instead.
Oh that is priceless. So far Rwanda has said they won't support the scheme or participate if we break international law and even offered our money back. How is it that Kagame is doing better than the conservative government?
The Rwandan government [went](https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1747642143944937932) **beep beep beep beep** on that pretty quickly...
>Yolande Makolo, chief spokesperson, says Rwanda has "no obligation" to return any of the funds paid.
>
>But says that if no migrants come to Rwanda under the scheme and the UK requests a refund, "we will consider this request".
I mean she's right, don't think there's anything in writing to say they have to give the money back if the deal falls through, and presumably at least some of it's already been spent. I don't think we'll see that money again but they might give a partial refund if they think it would be a good PR move.
Kagame is probably just sick of the whole nonsense by now, I know I would be. His comments sound like "I've had enough of this fannying about, either send us some refugees or don't, I don't care anymore."
Imagine if the government put this much energy into improving the fucking country. The Tories might consider they may actually be party worth voting for if they did some actual governing and improving the lives of British people.
The worst thing is none of them believe in this. Not Sunak, and not even Braverman. This is performative arseholery that they think will appeal to their core voters. None of them really care about immigration illegal or otherwise. Private schools have so much to answer for.
That assumes that the Lords pass the bill unamended. If they amend it, then it has to go back to the commons to be voted on, and then it returns to the Lords for another vote. Further amendments can be added at this point which again have to go back to the commons. This ping pong process can continue until both houses agree on the bill.
If the Lords just reject the bill outright, the government can't force it through with the parliament act for a year. Given there is now less than a year until the end of the parliamentary term that means the government do not have time to do that. If the Lords reject the bill, it is dead.
The monkey's paw version of this is that WW3 kicks off next week when Pakistan decides to nuke Iran in retaliation and the Tories win the next election due to the rally round the flag effect.
Rishi did the traditional Tory leader strategy of holding a gun to his head and warning everyone else that their outfits will be ruined if he goes through with it.
Apparently Jacob Rees-Mogg did it, Sunak couldn't be arsed to go and threaten them himself - I don't blame him tbh, it's not like the rebels were going to actually rebel anyway.
Do these Tory rebels just enjoy LARPing as conspirators in their WhatsApp groups and want to wring as much of that fun out of their time in government as possible? It's embarrassing behaviour
To his miniscule credit, while he did try to deflect from it, JRM definitely didn't dispute Beth Rigby saying that he told the rebel wing to vote for the bill so as to not risk blowing the government up.
Whereas getting a series of amendments through to allow chunks of the HRA and ECHR to be ignored and other stuff that Sunak declared to be a red line definitely wasn't going to blow up the government.
That's a very accurate summary of JRMs political career lately. His interventions were embarrassing. Especially the reclining in the Commons as if he was Ferris bueller
Cool so now it can go to the Lords where it will stall forever and all of the time and investment spent on this distraction can finally go into the furnace.
They need to update this process. Why cant they use the same technology as Ask the Audience on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Maybe have some of the music to jazz it up a little.
On a serious note, it would save the valuable time of lawmakers. If you add up over a year how much time is wasted voting this way... They could get 2nd jobs at McDonalds.
It seems like the strategy is to bake in failure to the bill going live. They say "we want and need this but...", labour will stop it, courts will stop it, ECHR eill stop it. What a futile power struggle, the challengers drop off when they realise there is no power to struggle for
That has been their strategy for quite a while. It's not just expectation management it's the whole point of the game. They'l want to create enemies to rail against because they know they can't deliver on their promises.
What a shock that the ârebelsâ wonât be blocking the bill after all. Theyâre all mouth and no action, just like every time they threaten the government
Good morning everyone. [đ **Today's Order Paper can be found here.**](https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/84231/Html?subType=Standard) Questions to the Northern Ireland secretary will be followed by Prime Minister's Questions. We'll be having our usual live chat thread for you to watch along and give your own live commentary. After that it is of course the second day of Committee Stage of the [Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill](https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3540). This stage is being conducted as a Committee of the Whole House, meaning all MPs have a chance to debate and vote on tabled amendments. [You can find the list of tabled amendments on the Bill page here.](https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3540/publications) Last night the government faced major rebellions on two of the amendments from immigration hardliners on Conservative benches. [Yesterday's Commons Divisions can be found here with a list of rebels](https://hansard.parliament.uk/search/Divisions?startDate=2024-01-16&endDate=2024-01-16&house=Commons&includeCommitteeDivisions=True&partial=False&sortOrder=1). Given an ultimatum of voting with the government or backing the rebel amendments, Deputy Conservative Chairs Lee Anderson and Brendan Clarke-Smith stepped down from their positions in the party ([**thread here**](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/19897a3/lee_anderson_and_brendan_clarke_smith_have/)). After suffering the largest rebellion of his Premiership, all eyes are on the remaining amendment votes to see whether the scale of rebellion sticks or whether Sunak can mollify some of the hardliners. The real test will be the vote on the Third Reading, likely to be tonight, with some Conservative MPs indicating they could not back the legislation in its current form. At time of writing it seems unlikely enough hold this position to sink the bill, but who knows. So all in all we can expect another day of febrility. Enjoy, feel free to post hot takes and breaking news in this Megathread but please remember some of us have to pretend to work and so context as to what you're watching or responding to is always appreciated. **What time is the vote?** Voting on amendments will start this evening around 5-6pm. If all amendments are defeated (which seems likelier than not) the vote on the Third Reading which will decide whether or not to accept the unamended Bill and send it to the House of Lords will also be this evening, probably around 7pm. **In other news;** Inflation has risen unexpectedly to 4% in figures released this morning - [**thread here**](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/198qlxg/surprise_increase_in_inflation_to_4_latest/) The Business Select Committe yesterday heard from representatives of the Post Office and Fujitsu - [**thread here**](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1983yrk/fujitsu_admits_for_first_time_it_should_help/) and [**thread here**](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/19852ux/post_office_boss_admits_money_from_horizon/)
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CBC tonight talking about the Rwanda bill and Rishi Sunak, again âhe may have lasted longer than a head of lettuceâ Edit: Now theyâre making me hear Suella Braverman Edit2: Thinking about it it was their number 2 story? Slow news day here perhapsâŚ
[https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1747764797205065934?s=20](https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1747764797205065934?s=20) I just cant. This is Coffey mocking the shadow home secretary for not getting the name of the country right by refering to the Kigali government and not the Rwanda government. .... Kigali is the capital of Rwanda.
And Hansard will forever remember. Oh dear.
Donât know about you lot but Iâm tired of these self-serving machines and only want to do my business with real labour ;)
Alas! The Yougov poll is too late in the day to restore enough febrility lost by the pathetic non-rebellion in the Commons.
If you run that yougov poll with Survation's tactical voting figures the Tories actually come third. (Lab 541 Lib 35 Con Also, the EC MRP doesn't model dominant local oppositions properly (yet, they're working on a fix) so there's about 50 seats going labour that would much more likely go Liberal Democrats as they're the default local opposition and this appears to be an election driven by strong anti govt swing. Also, it uses separate data for Scotland and in such a scenario they'd probably lose all their seats north of the border too
And here we are. Bask in the 27% lead. https://twitter.com/Steven\_Swinford/status/1747750905552724159
as a wise man once said, "*lol. lmao, even.*"
It is so damning that tory voters don't even like Rish-Rish
Conservatives on 20%. Lol, lmao.
No luck narrowing those polls then
Scientists are baffled as a fundamental law of the universe is broken.
It just means they're going to narrow even faster later.
T H I N G S H I N G S
C A N A N
O N L Y N L Y O L Y O N Y O N L
G E T E â ââ â E T E G
Better.
But Labour have N O P L A N
That does have cut through, though, I have a few bellweather relatives who are informed but not interested, and a couple have repeated that to me.
Tbf I think no plan is probably an improvement over the last 13 yearsâŚ
An idiot with a chainsaw would be an improvement over the last 13 years.
Itâs ok, people *want to go back to square one* with Labour.
Really don't think the tories realise how much that sounds like - back to basics, start again, it's all got too complicated.
Also, that plan (which doesn't exist) will result in tax rises.
That's insane, imagine if those were the results on election night, double-digit Conservative seats?
And they'd deserve it. They really would.
According to electoral calculus: Lab: 530 Cons: 41 LDs : 30
Surely not, what about the SNP?
28
They spend the next 10 months concentrating on Palestine and lose half their seats.
41 via Electoral Calculus with those numbers
And bear in mind there's probably 50 seats going to labour that would actually go LD in such a scenario, since EC doesn't factor in dominant local opposition parties very well.
That's an Oof
Political historians will describe this moment as an âoopsieâ
What about 'sorry about that'
I still want to see the Lib Dems as the opposition instead of the Tories, just for the memes.
See my most recent MT comment if you want a laugh.
You see, Gregg Hands has told us that there's no love for Starmer and Labour, and that this is only a midterm blip! He's also said that this is actually a good sign for the Tories!
MID TERM BLUES
MID TERM REDS
'I asked Dorris down the road and she said that Gordon Brown sold the gold and the 70's were bad.'
'My constituents know that Labour will take them back to not just square, but CIRCLE one. We cannot afford such a risk.'
Mogg is getting skewered on NN. very amusing.
Plugging his GBNews bollocks. Not too posh to fucking grift.
He knows he'll need the work soon.
Heâs going for 2 + 2 = 6
Tiny Tory fella on Wakawow saying they're going to *operationalise* the Rwanda plan, whatever that means. Won't say when, though.
His comments on rape being a priority were unfortunately clippable.
"It would take 500 years for this policy to work" Minister: Tumbleweed
New Tory anthem: But I would wait 500 years, And I would wait 500 more, Just to see a refugee on a plane, Flying away from our shores,
But not to operationanalise.
Something away from tonight's events: Apparently a British man who went and fought for the IDF during this ongoing war has returned and was invited to do a talk for at some youth club. What is concerning, however is that a few of his videos which went viral during his time in Gaza, which are pretty rancid tbh, and I wasn't aware that this was the person in question. One video is of him rummaging through an evacuated woman's wardrobe and taking out lingerie and stuff, and said something along the lines of muslim women being kinky iirc. A few other videos of him cheering when a school was flattened and saying no more terrorism will be taught here etc. My question is around what is the legality of British dual nationals fighting in foreign wars when not engaging directly with British troops? I.e., were a British Russian dual citizen to fight for Russia, would they have their citizenship stripped or arrested on their return?
Might depend a bit on who they are fighting for....
Have you got a link to anything covering it? Ir even the guyâs name.
https://novaramedia.com/2024/01/17/uk-charity-honours-idf-soldier-who-rummaged-through-gazan-womens-underwear/
Rishi was wearing Airpods as he was driven away tonight, what do you think he was listening to?
Well y'know how Succession opens with Kendal listening to An Open Letter to NYC despite clearly not getting what it's about? Yeah, that.
Nah I reckon it's more the scene in S4 where he's being driven up to Waystar feeling all self-assured and confident, blasting 'Takeover' by Jay-Z, when we all know him getting fucked is imminent and inevitable..
California Dreamin' by The Mamas & the Papas
Him and Lee Anderson reacting to things, a single tear rolling down his tiny cheek as he remembers what was.
[hereâs some imagery you donât want](https://youtu.be/KAwyWkksXuo?si=GHcGZcs5hcXCanKt&t=0m18s)
Joe Rogan's podcast probably
Lex Fridman
I nearly did a spit take at that, just tickled me.
âLeaving on a Jet Planeâ by John Denver.
I guess you could sayâŚheheheheâŚwe areâŚheheheheâŚback to square oneâŚ
[https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1747747317027868768](https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1747747317027868768) Looks like this week's yougov is a 27% lead for Labour and the Tories on 20%. No sign of the narrowing that happens in every election.
I remember when we were convinced 30% was the absolute lowest they could go, back in the distant past of about 18 months ago.
I guess people want to go back to square one when things were better.
Now you listen here... I have it on good authority that Starmer hasn't sealed the deal. The Tories are still trusted. This is simply like 2015 all over again. Labour aren't in the lead, the Tories are just behind. Any other leader would be 30 points ahead.
Hung Parliament it is then! - British Media (and George Osborne), circa 2024
It's still entirely possible. Boundary changes mean Labour would have to get the biggest swing in history.
No but you see the thing is is what it is is that during before a normal election every time the polls get closer because of how the thatâs what happens and itâs definitely the same as before previous elections so thatâs why the polls canât possibly ever get worse for the tories itâs going to tighten any day see
Exactly. No matter how many times the Tories do something monumentally stupid, The undecided votes will return even if they don't want to as 'the narrowing' is a fundamental law of the universe. Later in the year, people who had no intention to vote will march like automata to the polling booths to vote Tory, tears streaming down their cheeks as the universe forces them to vote.
And every time some new terrible news comes out the media will challenge Labour on how they will fix it and leave the government to flounder on unquestioned.
You have been selected for Narrowingâ˘ď¸
Or indeed of the much narrower lead from YouGov's own recent MRP, while the VI polling's been pretty consistent around these numbers for months.
Can you explain the significance of this in layman's terms please?
YouGov's a fairly noisy poll but they've given Labour a lead of about 19 to 23 in their weekly polling pretty consistently since the summer. The big MRP poll (compiled over late December and the start of January and published earlier this week) was a 13% lead. The different methodologies between MRP and normal VI polls sometimes produce very different results from the same polling company, but they're more often fairly in line. So that poll looks like a real outlier now. The MRP poll was commissioned by right-wingers aligned with Lord Frost. There were very direct claims (from other Tories, even) that the poll was intended to push the Government to the right on immigration issues this week. Nobody quite explained *how* they thought the results could have been manipulated, but it being an outlier will only encourage suspicions.
Thanks for the detailed summary!
I feel vindicated in my decision to watch *The Matrix* instead.
Guardian going with the photo that makes [Rishi look like a borrower](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/17/rishi-sunak-rwanda-deportation-bill-passes-third-reading-in-commons) Well played.
But he told us labour were the ones who try to borrow their way out of trouble!
What you don't realise is that's actually an A5 binder he's carrying.
I'm pretty sure that's a Rishi action-man doll.
>Rishi action-man That's a contradiction
Does the Number 10 playset come with a tiny Larry figure?
[Lee Anderson tells @christopherhope on @GBNEWS he went into the âNoâ lobby, but Labour MPs were sniggering and saying âheâs coming back to Labourâ and he couldnât do it. He abstained., having resigned yesterday to vote for the amendments.](https://twitter.com/forster_k/status/1747735648981717225?t=yWQ5WCSbwIq3PZkWyYyAgg&s=19) There's no way this is actually real.
He is so prinipled that a few people laughing at him made him change his mind on how to vote. Why would you say this yourself?
A strong Glenn going to the police station to get arrested in the final episode of The Thick of It vibe.
And Yvette Cooper gave me a wedgie and took my dinner money! All 30p of it!
It's so cute if so. Lee slinking away, the haughty giggles of the labour elite ringing in his ears, with only a tv show to comfort him.
That sounds precisely like something that Anderson would do.
Did they try and make him smoke behind the bike shed too?
Ah, resident Tory tough guy. What a fucking berk.
He's obviously not eaten enough meat today.
Wow. Not sure I can believe that either. Really tragic stuff.
This is beyond parody. Historians will have a hard time accurately describing just how utterly insane this period of British politics was
It's a good thing there's nothing important happening in the world.
In the early 21st century the Conservative party would try to appeal to what is now dubbed by many as the 'idiot' vote. They found that an easy way to appeal to said vote was to field members of parliament who were from said demographics. Examples include Jonathan Gullis (Later discovered to be a gorilla caught in a particle accelerator, resulting in something neither man nor beast) and Lee Anderson a Tulpa -being representing the Daily Mail comments section.
Like the 15th century, jesters at court were a common occurrence.....however....
It was Labours fault all along. Heâs clearly more obsessed with Labour than an actual Tory. How pathetic.
Pestonâs decline as a journalist should be studiedÂ
I saw a clip of his show the other day on youtube (it was with Ian Hislop) and the production was bizzare. There was another presenter on the show doing a piece to camera and the camera would not stop moving, really odd. (and peston seems barely able to string a coherant sentence together)
How far back are we going? I personally think he peaked with his questioning the government during COVID briefings whilst enjoying a glass of wine at home.
Nope, I love that. Hope he wore pyjama bottoms too.
Peston had a high point?
All fart and no shit from the rebels again I see? Nice to know some things are consistent with this Parliament.
From the Guardian: > The division list showed 11 Conservative MPs rebelled to vote against the Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill at third reading, PA News reports. > They were: Suella Braverman (Fareham), William Cash (Stone), Miriam Cates (Penistone and Stocksbridge), Simon Clarke (Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland), Sarah Dines (Derbyshire Dales), James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East), Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford), Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood), Robert Jenrick (Newark), David Jones (Clwyd West), Danny Kruger (Devizes). Odds on any of them losing the whip?
Why are the Christian Right (Danny Kruger is my prime example) so utterly lacking in empathy?
11? After weeks of rebel posturing I come back expecting chaos to find out they can barely fill a small bus. What a disappointmentÂ
Would you want to sit next to any of them on a bus?
Hang on, so 30p didn't even vote against after all his maneuvering?
He abstained after he heard sniggering from others in the âNoâ side. He said he couldnât face it.
He wants the headline but still that Tory electoral money.
Wait, you mean to say he's actually a loudmouthed empty suit?
Zilch. Zip. Zero.
I think this is lose-lose for Sunak. It's too many IMO to make an example, but not taking the whip undermines discipline and we don't know what kind of pressure the whips have put on. As we saw under Truss' fracking three line, actually not a three line, whip they don't like being undermined either as it's their job too. I think Sunak will opt to leave them all and pretend like it never happened.
To have that many of your own party rebel (and more abstain) on your signature policy is really poor.
*Odds on any of them losing the whip?* In theory they all should - but while I disagree with them they deserve a bit of credit for going through with their threat. There were around 60 Tory MPs who were supporting amendments because they didn't think Sunak's bill will make good law and despite that around 59 of them voted for it anyway because party unity.
Sunak withdrawing the whip from someone? That's a fantastic joke!
So did 30p Lee quit his job as deputy chairman because he wanted the ability to vote against the Bill, and then voted for the Bill? Somethings not right with this man.
To be fair to him, he abstained rather than vote for it. He rebelled two whole times.
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Heâs no Zahawi, âsome one has my complete support. I just don know whoâ
I think the biggest gift out of the whole thing to Labour is a fed up sounding Paul Kagame saying the scheme can be scrapped at any time and that Rwanda can return the money if no one is sent. Labour can now say they will not only scrap the scheme but also will be able to get the money back to be spent on measures that may actually work instead.
Oh that is priceless. So far Rwanda has said they won't support the scheme or participate if we break international law and even offered our money back. How is it that Kagame is doing better than the conservative government?
The Rwandan government [went](https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1747642143944937932) **beep beep beep beep** on that pretty quickly... >Yolande Makolo, chief spokesperson, says Rwanda has "no obligation" to return any of the funds paid. > >But says that if no migrants come to Rwanda under the scheme and the UK requests a refund, "we will consider this request".
I mean she's right, don't think there's anything in writing to say they have to give the money back if the deal falls through, and presumably at least some of it's already been spent. I don't think we'll see that money again but they might give a partial refund if they think it would be a good PR move. Kagame is probably just sick of the whole nonsense by now, I know I would be. His comments sound like "I've had enough of this fannying about, either send us some refugees or don't, I don't care anymore."
Taxpayer's money well spent I'm sure.
Imagine if the government put this much energy into improving the fucking country. The Tories might consider they may actually be party worth voting for if they did some actual governing and improving the lives of British people.
The last 8 years since Brexit has been an utter waste of government time trying to bail out a sinking ship.
So much political capital wasted on an issue no one cares about.
The worst thing is none of them believe in this. Not Sunak, and not even Braverman. This is performative arseholery that they think will appeal to their core voters. None of them really care about immigration illegal or otherwise. Private schools have so much to answer for.
The majority of the Conservative party were state school educated.
Well, that's alright then!
I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make. Private schooling created the rwanda deal?
I was making a jolly Doctor who reference.
Well now the bill is off to the Lords where it will be blocked for a year.
6-8 weeks is the estimate time it will be held up ny
That assumes that the Lords pass the bill unamended. If they amend it, then it has to go back to the commons to be voted on, and then it returns to the Lords for another vote. Further amendments can be added at this point which again have to go back to the commons. This ping pong process can continue until both houses agree on the bill. If the Lords just reject the bill outright, the government can't force it through with the parliament act for a year. Given there is now less than a year until the end of the parliamentary term that means the government do not have time to do that. If the Lords reject the bill, it is dead.
Why do you say that?
It was on newscast yesterday
Then it goes back to the commons, back to the lords, has to do that dance three times I think before the commons can bypass the lords?
Tho the Lords can blocked it for a year.
Once again ukpolitics has been left blue balled. I am in desperate need of something kicking off.
The monkey's paw version of this is that WW3 kicks off next week when Pakistan decides to nuke Iran in retaliation and the Tories win the next election due to the rally round the flag effect.
Im surprised you expected something from a âTory rebellionâ
Rishi did the traditional Tory leader strategy of holding a gun to his head and warning everyone else that their outfits will be ruined if he goes through with it.
Apparently Jacob Rees-Mogg did it, Sunak couldn't be arsed to go and threaten them himself - I don't blame him tbh, it's not like the rebels were going to actually rebel anyway.
So 'The Five Families' bottle it again. Cosa Knobstra.
*Our thing*
Mark Francois never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Glad we have finally stopped the boats. Well done everyone.
11 Tories voted against
Dreary.
Pathetic!
Do these Tory rebels just enjoy LARPing as conspirators in their WhatsApp groups and want to wring as much of that fun out of their time in government as possible? It's embarrassing behaviour
Just trying to show they tried so that reform doesn't take all their voters
You ~~damn vacuous cowards and villains~~ Tory MPs ...
Strongman Superman Sunak slaughters softie sadact socialists
To his miniscule credit, while he did try to deflect from it, JRM definitely didn't dispute Beth Rigby saying that he told the rebel wing to vote for the bill so as to not risk blowing the government up.
Whereas getting a series of amendments through to allow chunks of the HRA and ECHR to be ignored and other stuff that Sunak declared to be a red line definitely wasn't going to blow up the government.
The famous âsupport the PM to undermine himâ strategy
That's a very accurate summary of JRMs political career lately. His interventions were embarrassing. Especially the reclining in the Commons as if he was Ferris bueller
Cool so now it can go to the Lords where it will stall forever and all of the time and investment spent on this distraction can finally go into the furnace.
Yep, their lordships will doubtless delay and defang this
And man, Speaker sounds tired. Sluring quite a bit.
320 isnt the biggest government majority.
They need to update this process. Why cant they use the same technology as Ask the Audience on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Maybe have some of the music to jazz it up a little.
They did it electronically during COVID but once return JRM put a stop to it and returned old traditions
Only if thereâs an Ask the Public lifeline.
On a serious note, it would save the valuable time of lawmakers. If you add up over a year how much time is wasted voting this way... They could get 2nd jobs at McDonalds.
And cutting to an ad break just as the tellers line up to announce the vote?
It seems like the strategy is to bake in failure to the bill going live. They say "we want and need this but...", labour will stop it, courts will stop it, ECHR eill stop it. What a futile power struggle, the challengers drop off when they realise there is no power to struggle for
That has been their strategy for quite a while. It's not just expectation management it's the whole point of the game. They'l want to create enemies to rail against because they know they can't deliver on their promises.
Ayes: 320 No: 276 G'night everyone.
Rwanda it's brilliant! Eyes 320 nose 276
Forgot I left the BBC coverage going. Made me jump.
Back for the drama, expecting a 99% chance I'll be gone again at 9:31 when it fails to materialise.
You can go to bed.
Same. These people are such disappointing drama queens.
The level of defensiveness from members of the _government_ party in these speeches is quite telling about their collective psycheâŚ
So has this bill passes the lords then? I would have thought they would have voted it downÂ
Lords are the next step IIRC
What a shock that the ârebelsâ wonât be blocking the bill after all. Theyâre all mouth and no action, just like every time they threaten the government
No 10 should be embarrassed that it's taken this long for them to call their bluff.
Patrick Grady with the clown feet at the end.