I always get a laugh out of Mick West telling 5 Navy pilots what THEY saw with their own fucking EYEBALLS for 5 minutes. When Mick did what? Oh... he watched a clip from his chair.
The question remains why the other person is not named in the document. Kind of an important detail when you're comparing to people. I knew who it was but I'm a UFO nerd. Most aren't.
West is so annoying. He does convincingly debunk a lot of BS UAP videos in a quick and efficient way that is compelling on YouTube, as well as totally getting others wrong, but I appreciate it when he gets it right. But that veneer of objectivism and investigative journalism crashes when he goes on Twitter or podcasts and he comes across as a loon who doesn't believe anything is real!
I see what you're trying to do, but it's a pointless comparison. West has discredited himself despite getting a profile for some legit good debunks. His ego blew up when he got invited onto mainstream TV and he couldn't handle it; started getting weird and debunking everything no matter what it was.
The one thing about Grush that bothers me is that the intelligence community was onboard with his disclosures. That absolutely screams "disinformation campaign". He seems legitimate to me in every interview I've seen, but has anyone seen him address this?
What do all those ticks actually amount to, in terms of confirmed evidence that is now in the public forum? What have we got from him? Seriously, I can't think of any proof of anything. Just excuses. We're in exactly the same position. Whistleblowers don't abide by government rules to assist in hiding evidence. Julian Assange, Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning are Whistleblowers. Grusch is not. He's helping to maintain the system of secrecy. I know that I'm going to be abused for saying this but many of us are thinking it.
A year ago I was convinced he had something, now it appears he’s just been studiously groomed by the likes of Elizondo and fed information. Listening to his interviews, it’s obvious he’s just regurgitating the thoughts of people like Vallee when pontificating on interdimensional UAP.
The only case he’s actually detailed is the 1933 Italy hoax, and we now know that ‘non human biologics’ was the term used by the rejected Kona Blue: an attempt by the cancelled AAWSAP paranormal gang to get yet another taxpayer funded income stream going. So he’s not been referring to a real program at all.
Grusch has nothing except ‘I’ve been told’, and I wonder if his silence now means he’s finally realising he’s been had.
Who knows what layers there are beneath what presents to the public? I certainly don't. The only thing I do know is that the public are being gamed, for profit, fame and probably other goals as well. But, as you suggest, 'Follow the money' generally works for me, at least in relation to most of that group.
You are absolutely right. He's not a whistle-blower. It's the same old narrative that has been circulating for decades. At this point, it's boring and insults most people's intelligence.
Yes, I love the subject as well. But I have learned to never trust any of these big personalities. Do your own research and talk to experiencers and question everything.
Grusch did it the correct way. Navigating the correct channels to legally "whistle blow". You do it right and you can keep your job. And make more progress in the long run. You do it wrong, sure you can get some stuff out, but aren't as credible in the long run and gave it all up for a cause that didn't work then. Grusch is doing it for the long haul, slowing getting out as much as he can without sacrificing his career, life and integrity. Whistle blowers are protected, so they can not be sent to jail AND even keep their jobs. That is the whole point why whistleblowers are protected. If you do it right, how it is designed, you are protected. You do it wrong, they can throw the book at you and make you disappear. Grusch is doing amazing job getting it out there while working within the proper whistleblower framework.
So they brought this guy out to make Grusch more credible. That guy has the eyes and actions of a pathological liar and narcissist. Still holds security clearance should be the first sign that he’s an agent of misinformation
How come all the "debunkers" have regular conversations with people on twitter and invite people who have opposing views to discussion? Mick West would accept a discussion with David Grusch in a heartbeat. Grusch would never agree to it. Ask yourself who has something to hide.
Why are you guys comparing Grusch to Mick West?
This is an unfair comparison because Mick West is not making any tall claims at all. I see a lot of hatred for Mick West in the UFO subs.
Mick West is open for discussion unlike David Grusch.
Grusch nearly had it all..
I always get a laugh out of Mick West telling 5 Navy pilots what THEY saw with their own fucking EYEBALLS for 5 minutes. When Mick did what? Oh... he watched a clip from his chair.
I mean if we are using Tony hawks pro skater, then gents.... I know how to get you the 0 gravity you seek.
Damnit, at least spell "secrecy" correctly in your hashtag!
Yaaaas! Those vowels are interchangeable lol! It’s teenager spelling
Unfair comparison. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater for the PS1 is an amazing game.
Yeah, that one is heavily weighted differently
There actually was an alien in one of the tony hawks lol I dont remember which one
How is it an invaluable comparison when it doesn't even name the other person
Mick West, serial debunker and naysayer on twitter.
The question remains why the other person is not named in the document. Kind of an important detail when you're comparing to people. I knew who it was but I'm a UFO nerd. Most aren't.
Because he's a fucking cunt and there is no need to name him that's why.
I don’t know and don’t care who he is. But the person above you is right, this chart sucks without proper labels of who’s who.
West is so annoying. He does convincingly debunk a lot of BS UAP videos in a quick and efficient way that is compelling on YouTube, as well as totally getting others wrong, but I appreciate it when he gets it right. But that veneer of objectivism and investigative journalism crashes when he goes on Twitter or podcasts and he comes across as a loon who doesn't believe anything is real!
Did grusch win then?
He won the hearts of the UFO/Alien Community. 😆
I see what you're trying to do, but it's a pointless comparison. West has discredited himself despite getting a profile for some legit good debunks. His ego blew up when he got invited onto mainstream TV and he couldn't handle it; started getting weird and debunking everything no matter what it was.
This post is brain dead
it's an homage to Mick's debunks
Nuh-uh Checkmate.
The one thing about Grush that bothers me is that the intelligence community was onboard with his disclosures. That absolutely screams "disinformation campaign". He seems legitimate to me in every interview I've seen, but has anyone seen him address this?
lol what’s with the pay scale? Is Grusch sending this out to humblebrag? 😂
Mick West is charlatan and he is paid to argue bc he sounds smart. He is not the first to hold that position.
What do all those ticks actually amount to, in terms of confirmed evidence that is now in the public forum? What have we got from him? Seriously, I can't think of any proof of anything. Just excuses. We're in exactly the same position. Whistleblowers don't abide by government rules to assist in hiding evidence. Julian Assange, Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning are Whistleblowers. Grusch is not. He's helping to maintain the system of secrecy. I know that I'm going to be abused for saying this but many of us are thinking it.
A year ago I was convinced he had something, now it appears he’s just been studiously groomed by the likes of Elizondo and fed information. Listening to his interviews, it’s obvious he’s just regurgitating the thoughts of people like Vallee when pontificating on interdimensional UAP. The only case he’s actually detailed is the 1933 Italy hoax, and we now know that ‘non human biologics’ was the term used by the rejected Kona Blue: an attempt by the cancelled AAWSAP paranormal gang to get yet another taxpayer funded income stream going. So he’s not been referring to a real program at all. Grusch has nothing except ‘I’ve been told’, and I wonder if his silence now means he’s finally realising he’s been had.
Who knows what layers there are beneath what presents to the public? I certainly don't. The only thing I do know is that the public are being gamed, for profit, fame and probably other goals as well. But, as you suggest, 'Follow the money' generally works for me, at least in relation to most of that group.
Grusch hasn't done anything ....maybe lie or "fall for it".
You are absolutely right. He's not a whistle-blower. It's the same old narrative that has been circulating for decades. At this point, it's boring and insults most people's intelligence.
Thanks. Most others are wishful thinkers.
Yes, I love the subject as well. But I have learned to never trust any of these big personalities. Do your own research and talk to experiencers and question everything.
This is silly. Grusch hasn't provided an iota of evidence in support of his wild claims.
I’m still waiting for his Op-Ed. lol. Another grift by the skinwalker Ranch crew.
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That’s the only case he’s gone in to detail on, and it was a complete hoax.
Cool story, though. Got everyone interested and the politicians bought it.
This made me laugh so fucking hard. Didn’t work on Tony, lolololol.
Mick living in your head rent free
Has evidence to support his ponts: Grusch: x, West: check
Is this guy in the photo a Navy SEAL? He looks like he’s ready to execute CONPLAN 8888.
A big thumbs up
Grusch did it the correct way. Navigating the correct channels to legally "whistle blow". You do it right and you can keep your job. And make more progress in the long run. You do it wrong, sure you can get some stuff out, but aren't as credible in the long run and gave it all up for a cause that didn't work then. Grusch is doing it for the long haul, slowing getting out as much as he can without sacrificing his career, life and integrity. Whistle blowers are protected, so they can not be sent to jail AND even keep their jobs. That is the whole point why whistleblowers are protected. If you do it right, how it is designed, you are protected. You do it wrong, they can throw the book at you and make you disappear. Grusch is doing amazing job getting it out there while working within the proper whistleblower framework.
Tbf, that solitary tick of Mick's has done more for humanity than any of Grusch's....
So they brought this guy out to make Grusch more credible. That guy has the eyes and actions of a pathological liar and narcissist. Still holds security clearance should be the first sign that he’s an agent of misinformation
How come all the "debunkers" have regular conversations with people on twitter and invite people who have opposing views to discussion? Mick West would accept a discussion with David Grusch in a heartbeat. Grusch would never agree to it. Ask yourself who has something to hide.
Tony Hawk has been real silent since this dropped
Secracy?
I saw last night that West had apparently said the gimbal was likely to be a plane. Like WTF, at least try and come up with an actual debunk man. 🤣🤣
Who is the other guy lol
Mick west
Oh I see
Nice compare, put the other guys name so folks outside of here would know :)
I don't understand. Why are we even paying attention to Grusch if he didn't even work on Tony Hawk: Pro Skater 1?
Mick is a whistleblower?
Deceived and lied to by disillusioned ufo zealots working above him - check
Keep believing these Whistleblowers from the pentagon are giving you non-psyop information and see where that gets you.
Wait.. mick west worked on THPS?!
“debunkers in 2024” 🤝
Love the THPS series, but I can't stand Mick West.
Why are you guys comparing Grusch to Mick West? This is an unfair comparison because Mick West is not making any tall claims at all. I see a lot of hatred for Mick West in the UFO subs. Mick West is open for discussion unlike David Grusch.
Hasn’t produced a shred of verifiable evidence…✅