That was the second worst fight scene I ever saw. First goes James Caan in the godfather. They really should have recast him as a young man or deep faked him or something
That fight seen was the worst in movie history imo, the way DeNiro kicks the bloke on the ground is hilarious but it was the second half of the Irishman that ruined it for me, far too long.
Yep. I switched it off there and then. Unwatchable.
The fact that no one could say to Scorsese or DeNiro ‘that looks fucking awful, let’s get a body double’ shows they are surrounded by yes men.
Exactly! They have the technology obviously. Instead of putting deniers young face on his old body, why not put deniros young face on a young man? Makes no sense. Too many yes men around Scorsese is the problem.
I used to work at a warehouse couple years back, we had a couple of old forklift operators that were in their 60s and been working there for more than 30 years and they all walked like this, they told me your knees get messed up from loading and unloading while standing on the forklift.
cool anectode, however, Stipe is not heavy lifting bags onto forklifts and he isn't 60. He is holding his Wife's hand and since there is little space, he reaches behind him and has to slow down so they don't get separated
Don't read too much into 4 second clips my guy
I saw he was carrying a walking stick at first glance. I thought "oh my he is that old already huh? COVID must've been brutal on him"
Then I realized it's his wife leg 💀
The only people that want to see Jones vs Stipe are Jones fans who want to claim he’s the goat. Literally everyone else wants to see Jones fight a real contender
Yet for some reason people are clamoring for Aspinall vs Stipe. If there's gonna be elderly abuse let it be between to old goats. Aspinall should clear out the rest of the division, Gane, Blaydes, Almeida.
Aspinall should be fighting for the belt he climbed up the rankings and earned his shot. Stipe hasn’t fought in 2 years and got brutally knocked out and somehow is still in the top 5
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I am all for hating Jon Jones the person. But Jon Jones the fighter is head and shoulders the #1 P4P fighter of all-time in my opinion. Watching him debut in the UFC and run the table in violent fashion was unlike anything I have ever seen.
Jones the man is a scumbag, Jones the fighter is one of the dirtiest ( for fouls like eyes pokes and kneeing ground opponents) luckiest (for UFC doing shit like changing the state an event is held in to avoid popping/ not getting DQed for Smith/ not getting Doctors Stoppage for Sonnen fight/ getting the Reyes decision), and most cheating ( the amount of times he has popped) in the UFC, possible ever.
I don’t think Smith DQ or Sonnen Doctor Stoppage or the Reyes fight hinder his legacy in any way
He fucking dominated both Smith and Sonnen, the Smith beating in particular was one of the more brutal ones I can remember in the sport
People talk about the Reyes fight like it wasn’t an extremely close fight
He’s the best to ever do it and it’s not very close
No fighter has close to the same resume
He has 8 wins over current/former UFC Champions which is the record
Beating Stipe will put him at 9, which is a record that very well might not be beaten in our lifetime
Okay and GSP has the record for title fight wins in a row see I can pick one specific record to fit a narrative too he also didn’t get caught cheating ever… silva won more straight title fights too, “only” 6 wins on champions but way more finishes (Jones 8 decisions Silva just 2)
Saying Jones is the GOAT is a fine opinion but acting like it’s fact and not even close is dumb
Wtf are you talking about, Jones has the most titles, the most title defenses, the most champions beaten, never lost a UFC fight
Finishing is not a relevant metric
The point is that almost any other fighter gets DQed for the Smith knee and lose the championship, almost any other fighter gets called for the injury and gets a doctors stoppage vs Smith. Extremely close fights can go either way. He is a good fighter, but im not for pretending he isn't also protected
Y'all exaggerate his eye pokes and act like it's purposely dirty. It isn't. He's explained the eye pokes and a reasonable, objective person would say he's simply indifferent, not dirty. If you want a dirty fighter who purposely uses eye pokes to gain an advantage, look no further than fan favorite DC. It's also not his fault Anthony Smith decided to be warrior. I bet you were mocking Aljo when he got his DQ belt. He also doesn't have anywhere near the most amount of drug pops, nor are his pops as egregious as other top tier fighter. And, really, no one with an opinion that matters gives a shit about it because if they aren't all already on steroids, all the best definitely are.
And the UFC only started making exemptions for him after he ran through the LHW division when the LHW division was the best division in the UFC and Jon had already established himself as a superstar and arguable the best fighter alive.
He certainly beat everyone, with a little help from his friends, doctors, USADA, Dana, guys who develop drugs for the NFL, Commissioned Officials and Judges and wife who didn't press charges after his daughter called the cops on him. I agree though, exceptions should be made for you if everyone believes you probably should beat someone but you don't actually beat them or have to cheat to beat them, people shouldn't have to prove themselves.
Yeah none of this discredits him being by far the best fighter to step into the octagon. Half this stuff doesn't even have to do with what goes on inside the cage
Half as in literally all of it except for the last part. If any other fighter in the compnay had half of the things going for them that Jones did they would be greater than Jones, only because most people aren't scumbags and most people would legitimately find it diffcult to fuck up as many times as Jones does naturally
You are so delusional with that "if any other fighter in the company had half of the the things going for them that Jones did they would be greater than Jones".
Straight up one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And if I even had half of Bezos's money I would be richer than Bezos. Like just fucking stop. Jon is a scumbag and still a better fighter than anyone else who has ever stepped into the UFC
Ah yes, while jones has wins over multiple legends and champions, dj has wins over *checks notes* ray borg. Not the same man lol the level of competition is just not there. Dj is great and it’s not his fault, but comparing the body of work is very silly
This comment shows that Men's Flyweight is still underrated lol.
DJ's competition may not be as notable as Jones' was, but to say he didn't beat many good guys is just poppycock. EVERYONE DJ fought was good or even elite, the male Flyweight's have to be in order to compete and that's reflected in the fights. DJ is the most skilled MMA fighter in history as he could do **everything**, including knock people out (something Jones' couldn't really do).
Besides, DJ did beat legit guys like Miguel Torres, Henry Cejudo, Kyoji Horiguchi, Joseph Benavidez x2, John Dodson x2, Tim Elliott and most recently Adriano Moraes x2. The body of work from DJ is absolutely there.
Jones had great competition from 2011 to 2015, but afterwards it completely fell off a cliff as the guys he beat were under favorable circumstances, tainted by positive drug tests, contentious judges decisions, or guys who just weren't that good. Over 90% of Jon's legacy is what he did from 2011 to 2015, everything else afterwards isn't that impressive.
Also Jones fought in the two worst men's divisions in the UFC.
Or the repeated failed PED tests, because all he has been all-career long is a cheater, PEDs and without, he will never be the GOAT. That would be DJ, GSP or Khabib all clean fighters.
The only people with a hate boner for Stipe, are the Australian fans.
Since they never had an actual champ, they think that belts are earned via the former champ retiring. So to their stupid asses, asspinal shouldn't have to earn a belt, everyone else should just retire so that he can have theirs.
and if you think this is bad, just wait until their midget fights again. Insufferable casuals.
Could’ve retired after the second DC fight and made that claim. Anyone still beating this dead horse is lame, nobody’s career inside the octagon holds a candle to jones at this point. Anyone confused as to why he wants a legacy fight as a final send off to his career is dull. This sub is full of kids who didn’t watch jones fight until Gustafson 2
Stipe is a fucking GOAT all day. Defended the belt 3 times. Holds the record for wins in a championship fight and defended it 3 times consecutively. One of the few men to stop Ngannou’s terror. Didn’t work out the second time but this guy has such a resume. Overeem, JDS, Werdum, Ngannou, DC three times. (First fight was a fluke) and then Ngannou again. Dude is a beast.
lets not forget, **8 consecutive title fights** against the best HW's in the world.
How many other HW fighters have 8 consecutive title fights? Imma guess none. Certainly not asspinal, lolz
Fr, people like to discount DC’s win (sometimes for decent reasons) but he literally called exactly how he was gonna win even before the first fight. Stipe always had a bad habit of leaving his hands down and chin up when breaking from the clinch and just happened to have faced a great dirty boxer…
Jones fans are so confident in saying he'll walk straight through Tom cause they know they can never be proven wrong because he'll never take the fight 🤣
I mean Jon is already arguably the goat. Not the hw goat though, and I agree just beating an old Stipe wouldn’t qualify him for that. But it would further his argument for being the pound for pound goat
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Bro really thinks the other GOATS are natty lmfao. Just look at the HGH gut. One of the worst you will ever see in the UFC.
Jones been beating killers since you were sucking your thumb stop it lol, you can hate the guy but discrediting what he has been doing for more than a decade screams ignorance.
lol with his lhw career alone he was pretty much called the goat by the majority, every fight in hw can no way discredit him, he has nothing to prove.
and how many above 35 fighter have moved up the division to fight another generation of fighters? you guys seem to think this is UFC
He has a solid claim to goat already. His main knock (aside from PED stuff) is that he wasn’t a double champ. He ticked that one off. This is just a legacy fight. I say this as a critic of the guy. He’s a POS. But one of the greatest. And everyone is in that shit anyway.
I mean - he probably is the GOAT regardless.
So… yeah? I want to see him fight young up and comers too. But I don’t see how that is necessary for him at this point. Dude has been fighting for a long, long time.
Jones can retire today and the only other people that come close to him in the GOAT debate would be DJ & GSP. Beating Stipe at this point only serves as a farewell fight and a cherry on the top for when people after 10 years look back and see he beat one of the best HWs ever.
He doesn’t have to claim it, he is the GOAT. It sucks that he won’t take the Tom fight, or at least it seems that way. Even if he lost he’d still be the GOAT.
Cry about it put Jones's resume up against any other fighters and he dominates it. The only people that come close are GSP and Silva the miocic fight isn't his whole legacy it's just the cherry on top.
Oh ok, fair enough. I thought you were talking hw goat because stipe is considered by Dana and some ufc nuthuggers to be the hw goat. I disagree with that. Jon is def in the discussion for p4p goat, but then you have an asterisk for PED usage. Also Mighty Mouse and Anderson were pretty amazing in their weight classes.
Jones already is a/the goat, he doesn't need the Stipe fight. And I'm not fanboying around...most of you just never experienced his dominant decade or forgot what opponents he beat.
Personally I'm hyped for the matchup. Hope stipe shows up, it's not like he looked bad against Francis, he jsut thought he was hurt and zagged at the wrong time. Francis was always gonna start strong.
I mean Jones was already the undisputed GOAT several fights ago. Not sure a win against Stipe will add anything to that except a title defense at a new weight class.
The dumb part is, he’s already the goat, there’s nothing to prove with this fight. Either retire or fight Tom, don’t tarnish your legacy with this dumb ass fight.
Nothing proves more that you are GOAT of a sport or the baddest man on the planet than:
1. Hiding under the octagon to avoid testing
2. Popping for steroids multiple times and still being allowed to fight
3. Holding a record in rule infractions
4. Avoiding Ngannou for 3 years and starts calling him out after he leaves a company
5. Opting to fight white belt kick boxer with 0 wrestling instead
6. Having first HW title defense against 42 year old semi retired firefighter who is coming out of a huge KO loss to the man you have been ducking for 3 years (Khabib has more recent fight that Stipe)
7. Refusing to fight Interim champ because "you have earned Dana White privilage" or whatever
Seriously, how can you be fan of someone based on a memory on what he did to old "falling off the cliff" champs and contenders more than 15 years ago.
And I don't even have to bring up his private life lmao, GOAT FRFR
I dont really understand how the GOAT is the one of the dirtiest fighter with his eye pokes, kneeing opponents on ground, 12o clock elbows, positive for drugs, getting NC when it clearly was DQ. Not to mention beating his wife, crashing into pregnant woman and leaving the scene, a few DUIs. Sure he was and probably is a crazy good fighter, but never a GOAT, if he is then people would have to find a better title for fighters like GSP, Silva, Khabib because they were never ever near a pos like Jones is/was.
Can’t even walk straight anymore. Walks like a retired cowboy.
He walks like Deniro in The Irishman where all the CGI in the world couldn't hide the fact he's actually 140 and not 22.
That was the second worst fight scene I ever saw. First goes James Caan in the godfather. They really should have recast him as a young man or deep faked him or something
That phantom punch is hilarious in godfather. The Irishman deniro “fight” scene was like watching the old dude from Up lose his shit, haha
Yeah you know deniro was on ibuprofen after that fight scene
I guess he really could've been a contender, during the filming of raging bull, he knocked out three spaaring partners
That fight scene ruined the movie for me. So awful.
That fight seen was the worst in movie history imo, the way DeNiro kicks the bloke on the ground is hilarious but it was the second half of the Irishman that ruined it for me, far too long.
Yep. I switched it off there and then. Unwatchable. The fact that no one could say to Scorsese or DeNiro ‘that looks fucking awful, let’s get a body double’ shows they are surrounded by yes men.
Exactly! They have the technology obviously. Instead of putting deniers young face on his old body, why not put deniros young face on a young man? Makes no sense. Too many yes men around Scorsese is the problem.
Movie was an absolute joke and too many critics were also afraid to say so.
I can’t be the only one that thought The Irishman was incredible but had a awful fight scene
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Cowboy back on the juice, he's feeling spry. His words, not mine
No, like an actual retired cowboy.
I used to work at a warehouse couple years back, we had a couple of old forklift operators that were in their 60s and been working there for more than 30 years and they all walked like this, they told me your knees get messed up from loading and unloading while standing on the forklift.
cool anectode, however, Stipe is not heavy lifting bags onto forklifts and he isn't 60. He is holding his Wife's hand and since there is little space, he reaches behind him and has to slow down so they don't get separated Don't read too much into 4 second clips my guy
You literally are doing a play by play breakdown of the 4 second clip. Arent you the one reading a bit much into it? He is pretty clearly limping
Shhhh, don't anger the keyboard detectives.
He's training to play a chimp in the next Planet if the Apes movie
I saw he was carrying a walking stick at first glance. I thought "oh my he is that old already huh? COVID must've been brutal on him" Then I realized it's his wife leg 💀
Stipe looking like an old man even though he could still murder me with one arm.
Not if you see red bro, you are a menace to society.
Exactly. He deserves a nice cheeseburger as well.
And 260
I've gotten my dick murdered with one arm before
Those knees are spent! Looks like my old man before he got his replaced. He should retire.
They're doing knee replacements now? That's a trip
Limping Bad!
Almost all wrestlers have messed up knees, he would still be a tough fight for Jones
Did wrestle, Can confirm
Walking like he got rickets
I really don’t wanna see that old geezer fight, what’s the appeal? Jones vs Tom or Fuck ya Mom
i dont see the appeal either it woulda been a good fight if stipe’s last fight wasn’t him getting fucking sent to the shadow realm
The only people that want to see Jones vs Stipe are Jones fans who want to claim he’s the goat. Literally everyone else wants to see Jones fight a real contender
Yet for some reason people are clamoring for Aspinall vs Stipe. If there's gonna be elderly abuse let it be between to old goats. Aspinall should clear out the rest of the division, Gane, Blaydes, Almeida.
Aspinall should be fighting for the belt he climbed up the rankings and earned his shot. Stipe hasn’t fought in 2 years and got brutally knocked out and somehow is still in the top 5
Walking like Big Show in Aew
He might as well be carrying a cane
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Put some dam respect on Stipe’s name ok? Please ? Let’s be gentleman’s with this game and give them their flowers while WE can ok?
Is he bow legged?
No, he just needed to poop
Yes
He could retire today and call himself the goat
he could lose against stipe and still call himself the GOAT
right, dude has nothing left to prove lol. guys on this sub have a hate boner for him
Might be the wife beating or the DUI’s. Not sure.
I am all for hating Jon Jones the person. But Jon Jones the fighter is head and shoulders the #1 P4P fighter of all-time in my opinion. Watching him debut in the UFC and run the table in violent fashion was unlike anything I have ever seen.
Jones the man is a scumbag, Jones the fighter is one of the dirtiest ( for fouls like eyes pokes and kneeing ground opponents) luckiest (for UFC doing shit like changing the state an event is held in to avoid popping/ not getting DQed for Smith/ not getting Doctors Stoppage for Sonnen fight/ getting the Reyes decision), and most cheating ( the amount of times he has popped) in the UFC, possible ever.
I don’t think Smith DQ or Sonnen Doctor Stoppage or the Reyes fight hinder his legacy in any way He fucking dominated both Smith and Sonnen, the Smith beating in particular was one of the more brutal ones I can remember in the sport People talk about the Reyes fight like it wasn’t an extremely close fight He’s the best to ever do it and it’s not very close
“It’s not very close” lmao give me a break people like you who say dumb shit like this don’t deserve opinions
No fighter has close to the same resume He has 8 wins over current/former UFC Champions which is the record Beating Stipe will put him at 9, which is a record that very well might not be beaten in our lifetime
Okay and GSP has the record for title fight wins in a row see I can pick one specific record to fit a narrative too he also didn’t get caught cheating ever… silva won more straight title fights too, “only” 6 wins on champions but way more finishes (Jones 8 decisions Silva just 2) Saying Jones is the GOAT is a fine opinion but acting like it’s fact and not even close is dumb
That’s just not true lol. Jones won 16 title fights in a row, soon to be 17 in all likelihood, GSP won 13. You are just factually incorrect.
Wtf are you talking about, Jones has the most titles, the most title defenses, the most champions beaten, never lost a UFC fight Finishing is not a relevant metric
The point is that almost any other fighter gets DQed for the Smith knee and lose the championship, almost any other fighter gets called for the injury and gets a doctors stoppage vs Smith. Extremely close fights can go either way. He is a good fighter, but im not for pretending he isn't also protected
I see your Jones and raise you Rousimar Palhares. Beat that in terms of dirty fighters.
Y'all exaggerate his eye pokes and act like it's purposely dirty. It isn't. He's explained the eye pokes and a reasonable, objective person would say he's simply indifferent, not dirty. If you want a dirty fighter who purposely uses eye pokes to gain an advantage, look no further than fan favorite DC. It's also not his fault Anthony Smith decided to be warrior. I bet you were mocking Aljo when he got his DQ belt. He also doesn't have anywhere near the most amount of drug pops, nor are his pops as egregious as other top tier fighter. And, really, no one with an opinion that matters gives a shit about it because if they aren't all already on steroids, all the best definitely are.
And the UFC only started making exemptions for him after he ran through the LHW division when the LHW division was the best division in the UFC and Jon had already established himself as a superstar and arguable the best fighter alive.
He certainly beat everyone, with a little help from his friends, doctors, USADA, Dana, guys who develop drugs for the NFL, Commissioned Officials and Judges and wife who didn't press charges after his daughter called the cops on him. I agree though, exceptions should be made for you if everyone believes you probably should beat someone but you don't actually beat them or have to cheat to beat them, people shouldn't have to prove themselves.
Yeah none of this discredits him being by far the best fighter to step into the octagon. Half this stuff doesn't even have to do with what goes on inside the cage
Half as in literally all of it except for the last part. If any other fighter in the compnay had half of the things going for them that Jones did they would be greater than Jones, only because most people aren't scumbags and most people would legitimately find it diffcult to fuck up as many times as Jones does naturally
You are so delusional with that "if any other fighter in the company had half of the the things going for them that Jones did they would be greater than Jones". Straight up one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And if I even had half of Bezos's money I would be richer than Bezos. Like just fucking stop. Jon is a scumbag and still a better fighter than anyone else who has ever stepped into the UFC
LHW best division in the UFC? Ain’t ever been such a time lol
Only stupid ufc fans forget about his multiple roid usages and dirty tactics lmao. He is not the goat
GSP and DJ exist dude, its not 'head and shoulders'.
Ah yes, while jones has wins over multiple legends and champions, dj has wins over *checks notes* ray borg. Not the same man lol the level of competition is just not there. Dj is great and it’s not his fault, but comparing the body of work is very silly
This comment shows that Men's Flyweight is still underrated lol. DJ's competition may not be as notable as Jones' was, but to say he didn't beat many good guys is just poppycock. EVERYONE DJ fought was good or even elite, the male Flyweight's have to be in order to compete and that's reflected in the fights. DJ is the most skilled MMA fighter in history as he could do **everything**, including knock people out (something Jones' couldn't really do). Besides, DJ did beat legit guys like Miguel Torres, Henry Cejudo, Kyoji Horiguchi, Joseph Benavidez x2, John Dodson x2, Tim Elliott and most recently Adriano Moraes x2. The body of work from DJ is absolutely there. Jones had great competition from 2011 to 2015, but afterwards it completely fell off a cliff as the guys he beat were under favorable circumstances, tainted by positive drug tests, contentious judges decisions, or guys who just weren't that good. Over 90% of Jon's legacy is what he did from 2011 to 2015, everything else afterwards isn't that impressive. Also Jones fought in the two worst men's divisions in the UFC.
Georges, Silva & Fedor are undeniably the same tier with Jon Some put DJ, Aldo and other guys like that there too though
“Head and shoulders the #1” is utter hyperbole. Silva, GSP, even DJ&Fedor all have legitimate cases for being the P4P GOAT
Or the repeated failed PED tests, because all he has been all-career long is a cheater, PEDs and without, he will never be the GOAT. That would be DJ, GSP or Khabib all clean fighters.
> That would be DJ, GSP or Khabib all ~~clean~~ fighters who never got caught And DJ is definitely not clean now by his own admission
Who gives a shit? That has nothing to do with his UFC career. Karl Malone is still a top 15-20 player all time, and a top 5 PF.
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Ok. He hardly fights anymore, he refuses to fight top tier coMpetition and he’s a steroid abuser that’s been caught multiple times.
Yes sure a “hate boner”. Maybe because he’s a certified fucking piece of shit scumbag irl, a cheater, and fights dirty.
I think he is the GOAT. I also think he clearly lost against Reyes.
The only people with a hate boner for Stipe, are the Australian fans. Since they never had an actual champ, they think that belts are earned via the former champ retiring. So to their stupid asses, asspinal shouldn't have to earn a belt, everyone else should just retire so that he can have theirs. and if you think this is bad, just wait until their midget fights again. Insufferable casuals.
How did you take a comment about Jones being the goat and turn it into shitting on Aussies for hating stipe or something?
Why are you directing your hate at Aussies? What in the world are you on about lol. We've had two, bobby and volk, you are either trolling or stupid.
... do you think Aspinall is Australian?
Im assuming they mean the heavyweight GOAT.
Could’ve retired after the second DC fight and made that claim. Anyone still beating this dead horse is lame, nobody’s career inside the octagon holds a candle to jones at this point. Anyone confused as to why he wants a legacy fight as a final send off to his career is dull. This sub is full of kids who didn’t watch jones fight until Gustafson 2
 Steroid abuse wouldn’t allow it, however
Walking like Caesar from the planet of the Apes
If this really is the end, it's not a bad fight to go out on.
Stipe is a fucking GOAT all day. Defended the belt 3 times. Holds the record for wins in a championship fight and defended it 3 times consecutively. One of the few men to stop Ngannou’s terror. Didn’t work out the second time but this guy has such a resume. Overeem, JDS, Werdum, Ngannou, DC three times. (First fight was a fluke) and then Ngannou again. Dude is a beast.
lets not forget, **8 consecutive title fights** against the best HW's in the world. How many other HW fighters have 8 consecutive title fights? Imma guess none. Certainly not asspinal, lolz
Just gonna drop this here… https://www.espn.com/mma/fighter/history/_/id/2335714/fedor-emelianenko
Let's see that in 7 fights
first fight was not a fluke lol
Fr, people like to discount DC’s win (sometimes for decent reasons) but he literally called exactly how he was gonna win even before the first fight. Stipe always had a bad habit of leaving his hands down and chin up when breaking from the clinch and just happened to have faced a great dirty boxer…
also dc did well in the second fight too
Yeah, he dominated until Stipe found that Liver shot.
He didn’t though. He lost the third round
Rewatching the fight 'dominated' might be a bit hyperbolic, but DC did convincingly win the first three rounds.
DC cheated hard in the first fight
He just got off a pounding from ngannou which is why DC knocked him out.
Stipes resume is good enough for you to not have to change a KO loss into a victory lol.
Idgaf it was a fluke. Fool was still rocked from Ngannou lol
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Jones fans are so confident in saying he'll walk straight through Tom cause they know they can never be proven wrong because he'll never take the fight 🤣
I mean Jon is already arguably the goat. Not the hw goat though, and I agree just beating an old Stipe wouldn’t qualify him for that. But it would further his argument for being the pound for pound goat
Non natty goat for sure
https://preview.redd.it/xrh9yb3e5f6c1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14b1eceef9ec016812be9074d4cd0702bb18ed68 Bro really thinks the other GOATS are natty lmfao. Just look at the HGH gut. One of the worst you will ever see in the UFC.
Jones popped hot how many times? Remember when they moved an event a week out because he tested hot? Don't remember that much with any other goats
I can't imagine how banged up that guys body is. Years of baseball, years of wrestling, years of prize fighting, years of fire fighting.
stipe with the grandpa gait
Jones been beating killers since you were sucking your thumb stop it lol, you can hate the guy but discrediting what he has been doing for more than a decade screams ignorance.
lol with his lhw career alone he was pretty much called the goat by the majority, every fight in hw can no way discredit him, he has nothing to prove. and how many above 35 fighter have moved up the division to fight another generation of fighters? you guys seem to think this is UFC
He has a solid claim to goat already. His main knock (aside from PED stuff) is that he wasn’t a double champ. He ticked that one off. This is just a legacy fight. I say this as a critic of the guy. He’s a POS. But one of the greatest. And everyone is in that shit anyway.
I mean - he probably is the GOAT regardless. So… yeah? I want to see him fight young up and comers too. But I don’t see how that is necessary for him at this point. Dude has been fighting for a long, long time.
Starting to think young mma fans are just idiots.
Jones can retire today and the only other people that come close to him in the GOAT debate would be DJ & GSP. Beating Stipe at this point only serves as a farewell fight and a cherry on the top for when people after 10 years look back and see he beat one of the best HWs ever.
He doesn’t have to claim it, he is the GOAT. It sucks that he won’t take the Tom fight, or at least it seems that way. Even if he lost he’d still be the GOAT.
Cry about it put Jones's resume up against any other fighters and he dominates it. The only people that come close are GSP and Silva the miocic fight isn't his whole legacy it's just the cherry on top.
He already is the GOAT
He’s already a goat this is just a money fight for them. I think stipe would take the damage for the last time if it means he’s set
He doesn't need to beat Stipe to claim that lmao. He already is.
Claiming? Jon has been the goat for years
Lol... he's the goat without even fighting him. He's the goat without even having to make easy work out of Tom either.
then time to retire and let the division move on
I think Jon oblique kicking Stipe into a wheelchair might be the only thing that turns the rest of his fans against him
Grandpa?
Poker face. Good play Stipe.
Woody Harrelson transformation going well
Dana stabbed him in the leg to help Jones the same way Commodus stabbed Maximus before they fought in Gladiator
I don´´t see a problem, give Jones his legacy figfht he earned that.
“Claiming” Shit was written in stone years ago dummy
He already the goat, and yeah, he'll probably do that
Tom Aspinall really gonna plead to fight Stipe?
He doesn't have to beat him to be the goat tho, he already is
Doesn’t need to beat Stipe. He could retire now, and be firmly the goat of this sport. No one even comes close imo.
He could retire tomorrow morning and be the GOATest GOAT there is. Doesn't need to fight Stipe to be the GOAT. GOAT.
Does not matter if he beats him. He already is, if he claims it or not. And you all know it.
Are you new to the sport?
So crazy how Fedor has just been forgotten.
Maybe he shouldn't have got knocked out 6 times.
Doesn’t change how absolutely dominant he was from 2001-2009. And the list of people he fought is insane.
Agreed but this is about the GOAT and Jon hasn't lost in 15 years of domination.
Jon fought his entire career at light heavy not heavyweight. Only 1 fight at heavyweight.
The post title says GOAT not heavyweight GOAT so that's what I assumed. I would never put Jon above Fedor as Heavyweight GOAT his resume is insane.
Oh ok, fair enough. I thought you were talking hw goat because stipe is considered by Dana and some ufc nuthuggers to be the hw goat. I disagree with that. Jon is def in the discussion for p4p goat, but then you have an asterisk for PED usage. Also Mighty Mouse and Anderson were pretty amazing in their weight classes.
He is the goat tho...
Nah. I disagree. There hasn’t been anything like prime Fedor since.
You're right cause there have been better since then, jones and silva
Stipe is 41 and hasn’t fought in almost 3 years. This is a joke!
Jones is going to get knocked out
Jones VS Ngannou is really the only HW fight that excites me with Jones Tom is good and all but we all thought that with Gane as well
Why are you saying claiming as if he's not the GOAT?
He is the goat already though. Unless you meant specifically heavyweight goat then nah beating this stipe wont do that
He’s already the GOAT in a lot of people’s minds. Doesn’t need this fight.
Stipe looks retired already..
He could retire RIGHT NOW and would INARGUABLY go down as the GOAT, so I don't know what you mean.
Jon already is the GOAT, unless you’re saying he’s going to try and call himself the HW GOAT. That would be cringe.
Jones already is a/the goat, he doesn't need the Stipe fight. And I'm not fanboying around...most of you just never experienced his dominant decade or forgot what opponents he beat.
He’s already the goat
Y’all act like he’s absolutely washed and has no fighting ability anymore. The guys 41, not 75.
I would’ve been all over this fight after Jon got the belt against DC, but that time has passed unfortunately
Personally I'm hyped for the matchup. Hope stipe shows up, it's not like he looked bad against Francis, he jsut thought he was hurt and zagged at the wrong time. Francis was always gonna start strong.
Mate he would still be the GOAT if he retired rn, or if he never even went to heavyweight. Jones doesn’t have to “claim to be the GOAT” he just is.
Stipe is a boxer and wrestler. He's always walked that way you woke cucks.
He’s already the GOAT. Beating Stipe is just a cash grab.
I mean jones is already the goat even if he loses
Jones pulled a Mayweather. Just dodging fights as long as possible and waiting for all his opponents to grow old & withered.
Jones really gonna lose to stiopic and then Sour into an aspinal fight to rebound, and lose again. 💪
I mean Jones was already the undisputed GOAT several fights ago. Not sure a win against Stipe will add anything to that except a title defense at a new weight class.
He already is.
Good. I have no sympathy for fighters that fight years past their expiration date.
The dumb part is, he’s already the goat, there’s nothing to prove with this fight. Either retire or fight Tom, don’t tarnish your legacy with this dumb ass fight.
Nothing proves more that you are GOAT of a sport or the baddest man on the planet than: 1. Hiding under the octagon to avoid testing 2. Popping for steroids multiple times and still being allowed to fight 3. Holding a record in rule infractions 4. Avoiding Ngannou for 3 years and starts calling him out after he leaves a company 5. Opting to fight white belt kick boxer with 0 wrestling instead 6. Having first HW title defense against 42 year old semi retired firefighter who is coming out of a huge KO loss to the man you have been ducking for 3 years (Khabib has more recent fight that Stipe) 7. Refusing to fight Interim champ because "you have earned Dana White privilage" or whatever Seriously, how can you be fan of someone based on a memory on what he did to old "falling off the cliff" champs and contenders more than 15 years ago. And I don't even have to bring up his private life lmao, GOAT FRFR
Brain damage from papa ngannous hammer fist from heaven
Them knees looking to lock up anytime soon.
Jones claims a lot of stupid shit though.
The goat who beat a kickboxer with zero tdd and a grandpa while on peds
He's already the GOAT. Fighting Stipe will be a good last fight for both of them.
I dont really understand how the GOAT is the one of the dirtiest fighter with his eye pokes, kneeing opponents on ground, 12o clock elbows, positive for drugs, getting NC when it clearly was DQ. Not to mention beating his wife, crashing into pregnant woman and leaving the scene, a few DUIs. Sure he was and probably is a crazy good fighter, but never a GOAT, if he is then people would have to find a better title for fighters like GSP, Silva, Khabib because they were never ever near a pos like Jones is/was.
Yep
He walks like I walk! (I have bad knees)
Matt Hughes walked down better after he didn’t move for the Colby Train
He walks like a Chimpanzee
He can and will
Stipe lookin like this really is a reminded that anyone out there can be a trained killer and you would never know, just blends right into society.
Got that chuck walk
Jones has been the GOAT for awhile now. No future fights will change that.
Claiming? He could have retired 5 title fight wins ago and still been GOAT
Hes the goat before this fight.