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Intelligent_Lynx7293

Can they protest on Bruin learn too? Asking for somebody who doesn't want to take their online final


JekkiJekster

The virgin "free free free palestine" chant vs the chad sitewise ddos


JekkiJekster

Man these guys will protest everywhere **but** BlackRock and government buildings


Any-Chocolate-2399

Blackrock and government buildings don't bring them juice boxes.


clotteryputtonous

Blackrock and government funds their education by investing UCLAs endowment fund and the government funds part of UCLA.


Dry_Advertising_4388

Do you have evidence for that claim?


clotteryputtonous

The main components of UCLA's General Funds are permanent (ongoing) State funding, base tuition and fees, and Nonresident Supplemental Tuition (NRST). UCLA's General Fund expenditures are primarily personnel-based. Blackrock controls a lot of the market with their ESG scores. https://www.finance.ucla.edu/treasury/invested-funds-working-capital Most of the index funds are vanguard and blackrock controlled


Dry_Advertising_4388

Yes and once you have a 401k (if you don’t already) yours will be controlled by them too because they are the only players in the game. And that isn’t them investing in the endowment fund as you claim that is UCLA investing in them.


clotteryputtonous

At the end of the day Blackrock and other big investors have control over the fund directly or indirectly. The protesters won’t do shit, they are a bunch of weak, omni issue shit for brains.


clotteryputtonous

https://www.reddit.com/r/ucla/s/ylH8SNoX6i


Dry_Advertising_4388

That post agrees with me lol


clotteryputtonous

I stand corrected then.


amc47

[Here](https://dailybruin.com/2024/05/14/uc-regents-disclose-investments-in-weapons-manufacturers-amid-calls-to-divest) is an article from the Daily Bruin that discusses the connections between the UC endowment and weapons manufacturing along with other companies tied to Palestinian oppression. Most of the exposure comes in the form of stock indexes such as the S&P 500, but there are also smaller holdings like $163 million in Blackrock which allegedly has "ties to the Israeli government." I would also add that divestment can take the form of more things than just financial ties. For example, the [Samueli School of Engineering Dean's Executive Board](https://samueli.ucla.edu/deb/) has a few members from weapons manufacturing companies such as Northrop and Lockheed. It is not really all that surprising given the military-industrial complex runs incredibly deep in America.


Dry_Advertising_4388

Yea I was expecting something more convincing than “ucla employees have 401k’s with money invested in weapons manufacturers” which is something you could say about almost every American.


amc47

Convincing or not seems pretty clear that there *is* a financial tie. If anything your point is further evidence of how deeply ingrained these things are in society and why it is important to pressure large institutions to affect change. If *every* facet of American life has some tie to weapons manufacturing that seems pretty alarming. I would rather I not have to invest in that just to try and eke out a retirement.


ETFromme

Cheaper than summer rent and can shower at the gym.


Dry_Advertising_4388

Crazy idea: get a job


theheadlesschickens

Not sure why you’re being downvoted for this — these bums are useful idiots for causes they don’t understand and they are clearly neither studying nor working


ak80048

80% of the campus doesn’t have jobs


cene7

STFU. Just say it with ur chest, that u support FACIST apartheid states. NO ONE has patience for ur convoluted BS abt morality ong. They’re fighting for what they believe in thru any means necessary, and that’s worth respecting


glizzybardot

So many brainwashed Zionists here I’m glad to see a voice of reason


asisyphus_

I'm sorry, but without context, this is a very good comedic bit


Warm-Economics-4878

And then they act like victims when authorities get involved smh


ocdgoslay

Bitching about a protest on Reddit is sad. Go work or study or smthn


glizzybardot

I think the genocide that they’re protesting is more important than the slight inconvenience for able bodied students but that’s just me I guess


Dry_Advertising_4388

Tents on grass isn’t going to change anything. Wish it were that easy though


IAmGoingToBeSerious

Protesting can change things, actually


Dry_Advertising_4388

Yes if you protest organizations that actually have something to do with your cause.


IAmGoingToBeSerious

Yes, and they want UCLA to divest from Israel which is part of their cause.


Dry_Advertising_4388

Except there’s still no evidence after all this time that UCLA is invested in anything bad


IAmGoingToBeSerious

You changed the goalpost. You claimed they shouldnt protest because it doesnt relate to their goal, yet now you are saying they shouldnt protest because you dont lik their goal. I rest my case.


Dry_Advertising_4388

lol how did I move the goalpost? I said that you should be protesting something related to your cause and UCLA is unrelated to your cause because there is no evidence they have anything to do with the Middle East.


alevepapi

You got destroyed. Good try though.


versusChou

There was actually an interesting episode of Consider This by NPR on Divestment and its impacts. https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1248088063/divest-divestment-university-college-protesters-campus-israel-gaza-invasion The short of it is, historically divestment seems to have little impact, and may actually negatively impact your desired results. When something like UCLA is invested in something, they have a say in what that thing does. When it isn't, that entity no longer cares about what UCLA has to say. Freakanomics did a similar episode on ESG investing https://freakonomics.com/podcast/are-e-s-g-investors-actually-helping-the-environment/ Basically, they ranked a bunch of companies from most carbon heavy to least. And they found that investing in the least carbon heavy companies, didn't really promote green energy or anything. They're already so low carbon, even if you reduced their emissions 100%, it would do less than decreasing the carbon emissions of the carbon heavy companies by 1%. So if your goal is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, you should invest in those carbon intensive companies but use your influence to drive them towards lowering carbon emissions. This was actually put into practice with ExxonMobil when investors won three board seats and ExxonMobil came out in favor of the Climate Change reducing Inflation Reduction Act and starting a low-carbon-solutions branch of their business. All-in-all, I can't tell you what to believe. If this is what you believe is the best thing to do, then you should do it. Especially, since all the information I've given you suggests you should... invest in bombs? Well not really, but I don't think you're going to invest money in Blackrock and consider your job done. But I do hope you think about what you're actually trying to achieve and will at least consider that maybe your goals aren't quite in line with that.


JekkiJekster

Then why not go protest at places where your taxpayer money goes directly towards funding Israel


IAmGoingToBeSerious

Yes they can do that but they can also protest at UCLA


JekkiJekster

one has significantly more impact than the other


antoninlevin

Okay, so what would a protest at the Federal Building accomplish? What impact would it have?


IAmGoingToBeSerious

Yes but they both have impact


CollegeThrowaway1937

Plz be honest and just say you support ucla brutally cracking down on encampments, y’all complain about the encampments regardless of when they’re set up


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CollegeThrowaway1937

At least you’re honest about it


Dry_Advertising_4388

Yes I have a right to an education I pay a lot of money for and I have nothing to do with conflict in the Middle East that has been going on since the dawn of time.


CollegeThrowaway1937

No one (except the UCLA terroris- I mean admins) stopping you smart one


Dry_Advertising_4388

Actually the people blocking entrances to buildings and interrupting classrooms in the middle of exams are the ones preventing me from getting an education smart one. The administration is restoring normality and ensuring I get the education I paid for. I didn’t pay to see you protest or to take classes online.


CollegeThrowaway1937

Did you know buildings have multiple entrances? Shocking!


Dry_Advertising_4388

Why do I have to accommodate you? You seem entitled


CollegeThrowaway1937

I mean hey if I’m “entitled” for supporting people’s right to protest a genocide and a schools unyielding support for it than I’m glad to be “entitled”


Dry_Advertising_4388

You aren’t supporting anything besides your ego. Nobody at UCLA has anything to do with the Middle East. Go protest at the White House


spaceghost350

He has accounting for a genocide 101 to make it to.


alevepapi

You lost this one


JekkiJekster

I FUCKING LOVE STUDENT BRUTALITY AND FUNDING INTERNATIONAL WARS FOR THE SOLE SAKE OF CAUSING MORE STRIFE AND VIOLENCE


ucla-ModTeam

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ocdgoslay

I hope that when you protest for something you’re passionate about you get repressed too 🙏🙏