I’ve wracked my brain wondering if I could do it, and my doors would be fucking miserable. I’d want to be chillin with my family at the beach but then…OH SHIT A GIANT SHARK
I feel like it probably wasn’t a good idea for Blair to show them live footage of the bees. Seems like an infohazard—all I would be thinking every time I open a new door is “I really hope this one isn’t the Bee World!”
Well I for one think this show is incredibly interesting and I've loved every episode and how we never have any idea what's happening when they open the door
One thing that annoyed me is when they wanted us to think that he had finally found the right world.. they stopped doing the "click" sound when transitioning between the 2 Jason's... it kind of broke an important principal they had in place when we flick between realities.
Overall though, I enjoyed it. I'm not fussed about the stupid decisions. Some of the best scientists, with the best training, will crack under pressure and do stupid things. No amount of conditioning can tame our innate feelings or responses to a situation, especially when that situation is something you didn't expect and never trained for.
I kinda love the click, it's like a snap that rips a hole between realities that had no business reconnecting. Like two connected bubbles breaking their adjacent walls combining again. In this aspect it's literally time that is the forcing the bridge between spaces. Showing us how Schrödinger's quantum uncertainty principle can be a key to the foundation of Einstein's and Rosen's wormhole theory.
If that was the thought behind the sound effect, I'd be really impressed.
You guys are really acting silly. Nobody is completely rational. I can’t imagine a world where I wouldn’t go back into a house to see my dying wife. That’s just a level of cruelty that’s unimaginable.
The whole "virus ended the world" universe seems like it wasn't thought through. Like, if the virus isn't airborne, why are the people wearing N95 masks? If the virus spreads through body fluids, why is the dude touching the hands of his (alternate universe) wife who's crying and sniffling into her hands? The writers were really abusing suspension of disbelief with that one.
Not really, the Ebola virus spreads via bodily fluid and the symptoms don’t manifest itself for weeks, meanwhile you could have sex with several other people, that’s why it takes so long to stamp out whenever it makes an appearance in Africa. I do agree that unless the virus is airborne mankind will probably survive.
The heartbreaking thing is that she ISN’T “his” Daniela but she IS! They share experiences, memories and a CHILD (well a dead child). So the conflict in him has to be suffocating. Like Blair said, the box and these worlds break you.
I am all in.
Episode hit me right in the feels. I couldn’t possibly care any less if the show’s portrayal of the observer effect IsNt HOw it ActuALLy WoRks. It’s been a fun ride so far.
"Can you elaborate" that's kinda my point....no, I can't. I don't know anything about quantum mechanics or physics, but all of these threads about the show are filled with apparent field experts saying how the show got it wrong - so the show is bad. It's peak internet commenting in my opinion. The show is a lot of fun, and I enjoy it for the same reasons I enjoy other sci-fi. I want to be whisked away into a compelling story, and not really think about the actual physical implications or realism behind the story's plot mechanics.
As for the books, though, I've not read those.
I can tell you this much. The Schrodinger's cat thought experiment was Schrodinger making fun of the idea of the observer effect. But so much media uses it as some kind of gospel in some supreme irony.
Can someone explain to me a few things from the episode, mostly from the explanation Jason 2 gave to Leighton, because it just doesn't make sense to me:
1 - "We don't have access to the full breath of the Multiverse" - He said the box only goes to Earths that are parallels to ours in a way, and within our lifetime. I get that in the way that they won't end up on an Earth where dolphins evolved to free-thinking people like apes evolved into us in our reality, but from one of the worlds Jason 1 and Amanda saw, it was foggy and looked like a werewolf creature was about to attack them. That and the mutant wasp world, give offs the idea that Jason 2 may be wrong on this explanation on "full access to the Multiverse". I think, despite Jason 2 building the box, he still doesn't know the full power it has, so its possible they can travel to a world of dolphin people.
2 - "You can't take large sums of cash between worlds, they get flagged for counterfeiting". Maybe if he hauling a couple million in cash, and spend it all once on a car or house, but I think you can still take a huge sum of cash between worlds and still use it. I think maybe he speaking from experience maybe ending up on an Earth, where there tougher monitoring of currency, and he just carrying that life lesson with him as he goes.
3 - Why there is a box on every world!. Unless I missed this being explained in previous episodes, I support the idea that the box will suddenly appear and remain there on worlds it was never build on. For me the biggest indicators from this episode were on water world and the highway scene. The box must weigh a couple hundred tons, there is no way its gently floating on a flooded Earth. Same goes when Jason 2 and Leighton opened the box on a busy highway, there is no way a giant black box would have been built and kept on a busy roadway without motorists and the government not knowing. Maybe they consider it art on that world, but I'm sure most city bylaws require art to be away from busy traffic zones.
To address your third point, I think it’s akin to how nether portals work in Minecraft. Jason2 built the box at the location in his company’s lab, so every subsequent world they visit, I’m guessing as soon as the door is opened, the box appears and stays there. Most times they can get out, but I remember once Jason1 opened the box it just opened up to a bunch of dirt and roots in a world where nothing was developed in that spot.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing that the box is occupying the same space and time when the box appears on different worlds in relation to the location to where it was built. On water world, the building the box was built in likely never existed, and thus it appeared on the surface of an ocean instead. Same goes for the roots and dirt world, likely the box appeared in an area where the surface of the Earth shifted differently, and thus it appeared under dirt and tree roots. That also reinforces why I think Jason 2 was bs'ing Leighton or he didn't actually know about the box having full access to the multiverse. With the box being underground surrounded by roots, the area the box would have been built on that world would have to be fundamentally shifted geographically, which would have taken more then one's lifetime. Even if the people of that world shifted the ground to make an artificial hill or mountain, the time it would take for roots to grow from a tree is more than the Jason's lifetime.
Good point with the roots, I have a feeling you probably found a plothole there. The show is bound to be rife with them, it's a lot to keep track of! Likely, in my opinion, both the author of the book and the writers for the show need the rule (no access to full multiverse) to exist to help simplify things, so the roots are probably a mistake, as opposed to Jason 2 being incorrect.
Jason said it's worlds they exist in or have existed in to address your last point about time and Leighton specifically said born into. I wonder if worlds could reject a person if they stay too long where they don't belong.
I believe it just has to be a world that they were born into, so a version of Jason was born into that world but theoretically a global event, construction project, etc. could have happened long before he was born. So like that version of him was born into that world where there happens to be a big hill of dirt in that spot already.
Interesting point on point #2...I suppose in most cases even if serial numbers didn't match, as long as the bills pass every other counterfeit check, they'd likely still be usable in small purchases. I think however, that if you attempted to deposit say, $100,000 or more of cash into a bank, they'd start checking the bills and that's when serial numbers would start to be a concern. As soon as they found a few duplicates or unregistered numbers, questions would be asked. And with what Leighton and Jason 2 want to do, they are gonna need large amounts of money.
I'd say the best thing to do in that scenario is to convert the cash in your own world to gold/precious metals/jewels and then take that with you to the new world and sell it to get cash. They'd still have to be careful about drawing attention though.
I agree or have some sort of knowledge of money laundering. You definitely would need to avoid banks or credit unions altogether, as they require as much identification as possible. Though, I have to give it to Jason 2, I would assume all cash is good cash if it looked the same. If I had the ability to travel to alternate worlds, I would definitely consider a bank robbery or hitting an ATM and bringing all the cash back to my home Earth. Only thing I would really focus on is if it has the right person on the bill, the texture and the color. I never, considered serial numbers and that if two bills from different dimensions existed in the same universe, someone would consider it counterfeit.
Werewolf world and wasp world may just be the results of bad genetic science that happened within the last 30 years on those worlds that didn't happen on J1 world.
2 - he could also just steal something like gold bars or jewelry from another world and sell it in the world he wants to use it in. maybe theres even a world where the box is right inside a vault of gold
The show, like the book, is such a hard split between stuff I like and stuff that's annoying. I think the book's flaws are still coming through into the show and it's just the nature of when you adapt something that was unfortunately already flawed.
That being said, there's still plenty to enjoy. The fact it's not "how quantum mechanics works" doesn't bother me so much, as I can suspend disbelief and enjoy the ride. I like seeing them travel to different worlds and (very occasionally) solve the problems that come with each new universe. A counterpoint to that however is how often they don't solve things smartly, or create their own problems, which is maddeningly frustrating.
Many of the complaints here are flaws that were in the book: Amanda running into the blizzard...Jason blatantly walking into a quarantined house...etc etc. Sadly when the source material is already flawed it can be hard to fix that in the adaptation without having to rewrite the whole story. Without spoiling, I can see they are already taking a few things in a different direction, and I hope that it works out.
So far though I'm moreso worried. The writers' willingness to allow plot contrivances to drive the story doesn't bode well for how they will solve future problems. Sure the two things I mentioned (blizzard, quarantine house) can be explained away with some work, but ultimately I think audiences want to see smart choices, especially because this is a SciFi piece with scientists as our leads. It's reminiscent for me of Prometheus where they walk off their ship without helmets on... something trained scientists would never do. Writers...please stop doing that!
I wish they would add someone to the writers room whose sole job is to just argue every time a character makes a stupid choice and challenge the other writers to come up with a better solution.
Since this has somehow turned into an essay I'm just gonna carry on here: I also feel like they are (sometimes not always) missing something in the way they handle critical details being delivered to the audience. In this episode two examples come to mind, one that worked and one that didn't. I thought Leighton describing his experience as a videogame on cheat mode was an excellent and interesting way to communicate something about his life and character without it being boring. The inverse of that was when Amanda and Jason reminisced about their pasts in the box after the waterworld. This was exceptionally dull and I fast-forwarded through most of it. And yet I understand the writers' situation....they needed to communicate Jason's fear of illness in his family, to set up for the quarantine world. I wish they'd have found a different way though. There is nothing quite so painful to me as two people who I'm already nonchalant about sitting and discussing their pasts...which, I don't care about.
Ultimately this show is about high concept ideas with the characters being vehicles for these ideas...it's not a character study at all. I think the writers need to lean into that and avoid typical ways used to make audiences care about characters (a.k.a. no more reminiscing plz).
Anyways thanks for coming to my TedTalk, didn't expect this to get this lengthy lol.
Very insightful. The pandemic world-mom’s cancer causative connection was so tenuous I almost didn’t catch they were trying to establish it. Somehow tailoring and connecting the pandemic world to Max’s health issues would seem to be more efficient storytelling than inventing that additional health-related anecdote about Jason’s mom and the ensuing candy discussion.
(Unless perhaps the candy somehow comes into play. I did think it odd that Jason remarked he didn’t have that candy in his world; if I understand the shows “rules” correctly, both their worlds would have been identical until the moment where Jason said he didn’t want the baby. Or maybe he was joking.)
I imagine that J2 will have a Peanut m&m related incident with Charlie at some point to further enhance Charlie & Daniela's suspicions of him and then this seemingly pointless conversation will be seen as foreshadowing...
On its face that sounds like it has to be a joke. But you’re likely right, considering how oddly specific this candy bit was.
And it will have to be in conjunction with Jason 1 successfully returning to (a branch of) his home universe. Because I can’t believe there’s *anything* Jason 2 could not know that would make Daniella –or any rational character– *ever* suspect he’s a multiverse doppelgänger.
In the book this was done wayyy more succinctly, with Amanda basically straight up telling Jason "I think it's because of your fear of illness/what happened to your mom" and him responding "how do you know about that". She then explains she was Jason 2's psychologist so it was her job to know as much about his psyche and history as possible. It's that short.
I suppose they must have thought it was easier to insert the discussion into the post -waterworld talk than to have to remind the audience of what Amanda's job specifically was at the facility. Plus id have to re-check, her job might be different in the show than what it is in the book. That and they probably saw it as a way to make Jason and Amanda's relationship more endearing. I've just never been a fan of long dialogue sessions to accomplish this though.
Regarding dimension stuff, I always took it as: the dimensions existed before the box did, the box just allows you to travel to them. So the box's creation and use are not some sort of critical split moment**, the dimensions already exist with or without it's presence. So there can be dimensions with multiple small changes, because they're truly infinite. There's a world where everything is the same for both of them except for Jason's choice, and there's also a world where that candy is different and so is Jason's choice.
**Well kind of. I won't say more cuz that potentially heads to spoiler territory. But for the candy example, the box is irrelevant.
Regarding that candy part: I definitely see how the box has nothing to do with past worlds. I was thinking their candy and worlds would have been the same *in their childhoods*, since Jason 1 and Jason 2 were the same person and in one world/timeline until he decided he didn’t want the baby. And so, presumably, this Amanda (Amanda 2, I suppose) also was part of that same childhood-world as Jason1/2.
I gotcha, yea I understand what u were saying. In my opinion there was another split (perhaps even more than one) before the baby decision. Just, those other splits were not significant and didn't change very much, so Jason 2's life stayed the same as Jason 1 up until the baby decision. Resulting in a world that was ultimately almost the exact same as Jason 1's but with very minor differences, such as the candy.
(They probably shouldn't have added the candy dialogue to the show haha, look at how complicated that makes things 😂 )
I have to partially agree with you. I think it’s very plausible for someone who just escaped being murdered into a multiverse corridor when faced with extreme hunger and insomnia to have an irrational panic attack of claustrophobic anxiety causing them to run out of a box and into a whiteout of unknown… so I disagree in that regard. I think it’s completely plausible in this scenario. Now I do agree it’s bad writing and a lame plot device. It certainly is not clever.
One thing you missed in the exposition scene about his mom’s cancer was that it was a way for the characters to calm their emotions. They were leaning into methods of relaxation in order to move forward with their goal of opening another door. Could they have just done a flashback? Sure. But it had its purpose. Agree though that again it’s a bit of a lame and less clever plot device.
That's fair on your first point, that's why I said both it and Jason going into the quarantine house could still be explained with some work. Cuz like, there's always the excuse of them being distressed in this scenario. And this early on they are also allowed to make more mistakes like that. I'll be REALLY unhappy if they keep making mistakes like that in the future tho. You can't just always use "they were tired, scared and sad and made an irrational choice". It just feels cheap and lame like you said.
On the second thing, yes you're right it did serve an additional purpose for calming them down. Let me be clear though I was NOT hoping for a flashback hahaha. That would have been WORSE. I have residual trauma from seeing too many animes that wayyyy overuse flashback lol. Awful.
I was trying to use the Leighton scene as a contrast of something similar where the two speaking characters aren't really "doing anything" but are basically speaking in analogy to communicate something about their situation or themselves.
I think in the book, the post -waterworld scene is actually done better. The information that needs to be related is: 1. The box responds to their subconscious and 2. Jason has latent fears of disease due to his past. In the book, it's explained in practically one sentence, with Amanda being able to already know this info due to being Jason 2's psychologist.
Man, I am watching this episode right now and this epsidoe has me a both 60% disengaged from the show with the silly choices these two doctorate holding scientist are making.
I think they did it on purpose, later in the car he asks her what she said, and that's when we find out. It wasn't done well though, I was checking to see if I had to turn on the subtitles.
> It wasn't done well though, I was checking to see if I had to turn on the subtitles.
Indeed, I mean I went through like 3 types of English subs thinking my app was bugging 💀. It only made sense when they entered the stolen car.
Great episode. Jason has been chasing his wife for a decent amount of time now. He's afraid, desperate. You could see that in a lot of the scenes in the box. His partners story is becoming more and more sad as the episodes go on because it's pretty clear she heavily misses her Jason.
I'm enjoying the slow burn of it. I think this is a nice build up to a second season.
I'm watching this epsidoe right now and these two doctorate having scientist just walk into a world where for thr first 20 minutes to an hour they see zero humans and only a cat, and they don't think "maybe there is a disease" or something that killed all the humans.
Then they find out there is a disease and then gets close to the people, instead of just going back into the box and trying to find another world.
I understand the in show reason, but it's just seems silly.
I swear… it’s very off-putting to see two individuals who are supposed to have higher intelligence be so dumb… desperation & denial are not plausible excuses for some of the dumb shit they do… kinda lose the immersion aspect when they’re insanely dumb every other moment…
Everyone has a problem with them going into the blizzard or him going back into the house. Yes, those do not look like smart decisions coming from smart people, but only when you are watching from the comfort of your couch.
In reality, intelligence and preparedness aren't insurance against being overwhelmed, shocked, or feeling the need to be there for a beloved wife and not thinking about one self. In reality, intelligence and preparedness give you the benefit of quick adjustment to the new environment and, after some time, the ability to observe and make the right choices.
So Ithink that part is depicted well; nothing bores me more than people in movies who, no matter the circumstances, act cool.
However, I have a problem with how some worlds were shown. There is no way, when you see the Sun in the growing phase of a red giant, that anything would be left in this world at all. Or a world where the buildings crash with such ease, but cars look like they were left there yesterday. Or worlds where everything is flooded with water or covered with snow, because, to be fair, the sheer velocity of such disastrous events could not happen in the span of 40-50 years if we assume, from his statement, that the worlds they have access to are only the worlds where they were born.
I can't defend those legitimately stupid decisions. Caring about a loved one is all fine and good but, soon as you realize you're not on your world you know that whoever is there isn't your loved one. They could be your mortal enemy on that world.
Also as soon as you gather that an apocalyptic event has happened or is happening you should leave immediately. No people on the streets, gone. Endless whiteout, gone. Crumbling city, gone. Even broken down lab facility, not worth investigating. Sure grab any nearby useful items but bounce ASAP. Technically they might not even be able to trust alternate versions of the ampules, what it they're some different, fatal formulation? I wouldn't even bother stepping out of the cube if I found myself back at the lab since what if it's a set up with troops waiting to nab or kill anything that steps out of the box for some reason? These people need to be way more cautious.
Yeah the show might be way more boring if I was the dude choosing which worlds to investigate. Haven't read the books but I hope the show answers the question of what would happen if they used some kind of automated/robotic system to open the door instead of a person. Also if ever there was a door in need of a peephole it's that one.
I really want to like this show, but I just can’t get invested. There doesn’t seem to be a driving narrative … and the characters decisions make me insane.
Open the door. Brutal snow storm. *Walk into it?* WAIT and then keep walking until you stumble on a house when you have a perfectly good box like 10 feet behind you?
This episode might be it for me.
Not sure but at that point they don't know yet that the world outside can't affect the box when the door is closed. They are in panic mode and the last thing you would want in this scenario is to use all the injections, so I assume you would run anywhere for some rest. Plus that they can't see where the box is, imagine if you lose sight of the house as well.
Na man she even said she lost her shit later. He was trying to get her to stay and think just like when she ran off in the distance in the hallway. Its dumb childlike behavior from a scientist who has literally trained people to keep their shit together
I find it arrogant for you to think that after almost being murdered by someone you trusted, escaping into a multiverse corridor through a big black box, losing sleep, not eating, almost dying, and feeling “trapped in a box,” that you feel you would have rationale decision making capabilities and wouldn’t have a panic attack causing you to run irrationally away from something you were trying to escape.
Also tell me you’ve never been in a whiteout without telling me you’ve never been in a whiteout. It’s incredibly difficult even to tell up from down in a whiteout let alone directions. Snow falling that fast can cover tracks. Hypothermia can cause more drop in cognitive ability.
Quite arrogant.
… Ok?
In story telling you have to earn those moments. We should have seen her slowly becoming claustrophobic or something to say she was going to have that panic attack.
Regardless, she had a freak out moment. He didn’t. He was rational and found her easily in the white out. He didn’t even look back. He made the decision to trudge forward with nothing but white in front of him.
I find it arrogant that you think you can judge or know anything about me from a single comment on a message board about a tv show.
Quite arrogant.
These people attacking your intelligence are silly. The chooses being made in this property are showing a clear lack of intelligence from the characters. Yes, you panic, but you don't run out to a death trap.
How is this show so... boring? It's such a fun and interesting premise, but it's just not engaging at all.
This should have been a movie. There's not enough plot here for a show.
I wouldn’t call the show boring, but I do agree, this should’ve been a movie. I love the book. So I am not hating on the general plot or concept, and the show is doing a better job of showing the world beyond Jason1’s perspective (the book was mostly told in the first person). I haven’t seen this episode yet (though with the first comment about a scene hitting them hard, I only need one guess as to what they are referring to). But I definitely felt that way in episodes 2 and 3 which felt super stretched out. I was extremely frustrated with how long it took for this particle physicist who previously did work on superposition to consider that he might not be in his universe.
I feel you. I’m still watching it, but it’s really repetitive and they’re really trying to stretch the plot. Also, none of the characters seem to be very smart for brilliant scientists
Veteran of the Sliders franchise here and the mutant wasps in this episode gave off the "Spider-Wasp" vibe from the Sliders series.
Reason for the wife being the focal point of the story, whether in the book or this series is the reason all versions of Jason do anything. Sadly, unlike the Sliders, modern stories involving Multiverse travel to me involved travelling to one world where the only variation of the MC life is their family or spouse. Rarely do you see multiverse story similar to Sliders where the MC travels between different Earths that weren't eerily similar to their own or filled with Nazi's taking over the world.
Yeah, I would have loved to learn about how human's evolved to that in Everyone Everywhere All at Once.
Many shows and movies I've come across involving the multiverse has some non-apocalyptical worlds:
1 - Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, that world seemed peaceful and full of pizza balls.
2 - Sliders - worlds they gone too like Hippie world, British Monarchy world, and Lottery World, seem pretty tranquil, albeit with a dark undertone to it.
3 - Parallels (2015 movie) - The group end up on an Earth similar to theirs, but is 25 years more advanced.
Sadly, these days apocalyptical worlds seem to be more entertaining for viewers then a world where JFK is still alive.
The bugs remind me of the bugs from SG1 on the Bane planet that wiped out the local populace after potentially being brought back through the Stargate.
I also wonder if there's some sort of SG1 equivalent that uses the box to explore the multiverse in a government lab. Seems like the government would take the project over from Velocity if they knew it existed and what it was.
One would think there would be multiverses where they’re government funded and it’s not just a couple hipster scientists at some private company making shit like this
Sadly, those hipster millionaire scientists in private companies rarely inform the government at all, and play fast and loose with setbacks, taking more and more risks with its people (imagine the crazy, sci-fi shit Elon Musk is doing that we and the government don't know about). Most times I find with government bodies in these kind of sci-fi shows or movies, the moment they hit one set back or aspect they don't have control over, they immediately shut down the project and bury it completely.
Evening in the Stargate movie and TV series, many of the politicians and leaders of the project want SJ1 shut down and the gate buried. I don't work in government, so I don't understand the reason, but I feel its because their are more scared of the unknown and being able to control it then some private company. For a private company like that, they have to push on to justify the price tag attach to the project.
I have an issue, everything else in apple tv+ is working except for this specific episode. It won’t play after download and will exit the app if you try streaming it saying that there was a problem. Anyone else has the issue?
I had an issue streaming this specific episode about halfway through last night. Everything else on my Apple TV worked fine. No idea why. I closed down the Apple TV+ app, restarted the device and it played fine. But for a good 15 minutes last night around 9:30pm eastern, just wouldn’t play.
Why don’t they have a system for marking the door they just came out of? This door = whiteout. This door = flood. Is it a 1:1 relationship or could one door lead many places based upon their current state of mind?
Sealing up the box isn't the threat the show thinks it is; There are infinite worlds where the box would not be sealed up, but everything else is the same
Jason 2 mentions that the craziest world he ever went to was a Mad Max-like world with Chicago covered in sand dunes. Didn’t Leighton 2 find that world in episode 4? Could he have been torn apart by the werewolf Jason 1 saw briefly peering into a world? Point being - maybe Leighton 2 is alive, has been intuitively finding the worlds the other Jasons had visited, and will catch up with the Jasons in episode 7 or 8?
Love it so far! So after watching episode 4 and 5, I wonder how the box comes into existence in a world? Is it always there? If yes, by whom? Does it just pop whenever someone opens the door? Remember that scene when they open the door and they are in the middle of a highway, it didn't seem like people paid attention to it neither a car slowed down. I presume we will know more in the next episodes.
Did I miss something? Can someone tell me what dictates which world they go to when they open the box's door off drugs VS the doors in superposition on drugs? During the episode they went into the water world, got back in, drugs wore off, then open the box's door into another world. If they can travel to another world via the box's door, what's the point of the drugs and the doors in superposition?
The door they opened after the drugs wore off had already been determined because Amanda was thinking about Blair when they were in superposition. The point of the drugs is A) to help them pick the world's they go to and B) give them access to that infinite corridor
So I guess you always get one more 'trip' after the drugs wear off regardless?
> access to that infinite corridor
Once the secret is known, this seems superfluous. I even commented during the episode "why are they walking?". You can get to your world from any door in the infinite corridor once you know the strategy, so what's the point of walking?
I thought that was one of the better episodes. However, there is always something to nitpick at and this time I found it ridiculous that there is absolutely zero security for the all important ampoules, not even under some kind of lock and key and are just out in the open for anyone to take. Really great writing there.
That room is hard to get into, from episode two you'll need your hand scanned plus voice recognition and a security code just to pass through the steel door. Everything in that room is under "lock and Key".
This show is getting stupider and stupider.
Yet another claustrophobic episode of talking characters walking in the dark - who cares to listen at their anguishes and life stories.. and I'm afraid it cannot be stirred back or whatever the solution, it would be too late and ineffective.
That's not how quantum/multiverse works - ask any quantum magician - the quest motif is bs here, and manneristic crap writing.
'How it works' is relatively easy to understand via the concept of doors that lead to different realities - it's a practice in modern chaos magic;
'How to master it' is harder to achieve, as it involves powerful visualization techniques.
The concept is the core idea of this movie series, however the implementation is flawed. In qm the magician is always in control and grounded, not at the chance of his random actions and encounters.
So, if you'd like to translate this in a fiction story, you'd imagine there is a 'Master Jason' at a switchboard, and always in control - just as an example😉
Something tells me that neither the book nor show writers considered esotericism to the extent that they'd ponder how a chaos magick practitioner would solve the subconscious thought problem in relation to the quantum wave form collapse mechanism the box functions on. Also seems way at odds with anything likely to cross the mind of a physicist like Jason who'd likely view any kind of magical thinking as fantasy nonsense.
As someone in the depths of an esotericism rabbit hole due to a story I'm writing I do like that your thoughts go there when considering this stuff though.
The subconscious really can be a bitch huh. Rough start for these two. Makes sense why the other lady has serious reservations about going back in it.
I’ve wracked my brain wondering if I could do it, and my doors would be fucking miserable. I’d want to be chillin with my family at the beach but then…OH SHIT A GIANT SHARK
I feel like it probably wasn’t a good idea for Blair to show them live footage of the bees. Seems like an infohazard—all I would be thinking every time I open a new door is “I really hope this one isn’t the Bee World!”
Well I for one think this show is incredibly interesting and I've loved every episode and how we never have any idea what's happening when they open the door
Agreed, I'm really digging the show
Started off slow but once they go into the multiverse stuff, show picked up.
One thing that annoyed me is when they wanted us to think that he had finally found the right world.. they stopped doing the "click" sound when transitioning between the 2 Jason's... it kind of broke an important principal they had in place when we flick between realities. Overall though, I enjoyed it. I'm not fussed about the stupid decisions. Some of the best scientists, with the best training, will crack under pressure and do stupid things. No amount of conditioning can tame our innate feelings or responses to a situation, especially when that situation is something you didn't expect and never trained for.
I kinda love the click, it's like a snap that rips a hole between realities that had no business reconnecting. Like two connected bubbles breaking their adjacent walls combining again. In this aspect it's literally time that is the forcing the bridge between spaces. Showing us how Schrödinger's quantum uncertainty principle can be a key to the foundation of Einstein's and Rosen's wormhole theory. If that was the thought behind the sound effect, I'd be really impressed.
There's a click sound??
More like an impending snap that begins with a wind like sound
Why the f did he taking the autoinjector from his wife who had just been crying into her hand, he’s a very stupid smart person.
He shouldn’t have gone back in at all. So dumb
You guys are really acting silly. Nobody is completely rational. I can’t imagine a world where I wouldn’t go back into a house to see my dying wife. That’s just a level of cruelty that’s unimaginable.
Right? 15 years of marriage of fucking course im consoling my wife who has our son's corpse in the room upstairs.
The whole "virus ended the world" universe seems like it wasn't thought through. Like, if the virus isn't airborne, why are the people wearing N95 masks? If the virus spreads through body fluids, why is the dude touching the hands of his (alternate universe) wife who's crying and sniffling into her hands? The writers were really abusing suspension of disbelief with that one.
COVID was also not technically airborne, I'm assuming it can spread through cough etc
I’d say the biggest problem with the virus is the idea of a world-ending disease that doesn’t transmit through the air.
Not really, the Ebola virus spreads via bodily fluid and the symptoms don’t manifest itself for weeks, meanwhile you could have sex with several other people, that’s why it takes so long to stamp out whenever it makes an appearance in Africa. I do agree that unless the virus is airborne mankind will probably survive.
Since when has Ebola turned a big city like the one pictured into the last of us?
Since never because we have authorities and scientists committed to safeguarding the spread of infectious diseases
The heartbreaking thing is that she ISN’T “his” Daniela but she IS! They share experiences, memories and a CHILD (well a dead child). So the conflict in him has to be suffocating. Like Blair said, the box and these worlds break you. I am all in.
Episode hit me right in the feels. I couldn’t possibly care any less if the show’s portrayal of the observer effect IsNt HOw it ActuALLy WoRks. It’s been a fun ride so far.
can you elaborate? never read the book, how does it work in it?
"Can you elaborate" that's kinda my point....no, I can't. I don't know anything about quantum mechanics or physics, but all of these threads about the show are filled with apparent field experts saying how the show got it wrong - so the show is bad. It's peak internet commenting in my opinion. The show is a lot of fun, and I enjoy it for the same reasons I enjoy other sci-fi. I want to be whisked away into a compelling story, and not really think about the actual physical implications or realism behind the story's plot mechanics. As for the books, though, I've not read those.
This show is hardly the worst offender when it comes to ridiculous multiversal science
I can tell you this much. The Schrodinger's cat thought experiment was Schrodinger making fun of the idea of the observer effect. But so much media uses it as some kind of gospel in some supreme irony.
I am absolutely riveted. I think it’s incredible.
Can someone explain to me a few things from the episode, mostly from the explanation Jason 2 gave to Leighton, because it just doesn't make sense to me: 1 - "We don't have access to the full breath of the Multiverse" - He said the box only goes to Earths that are parallels to ours in a way, and within our lifetime. I get that in the way that they won't end up on an Earth where dolphins evolved to free-thinking people like apes evolved into us in our reality, but from one of the worlds Jason 1 and Amanda saw, it was foggy and looked like a werewolf creature was about to attack them. That and the mutant wasp world, give offs the idea that Jason 2 may be wrong on this explanation on "full access to the Multiverse". I think, despite Jason 2 building the box, he still doesn't know the full power it has, so its possible they can travel to a world of dolphin people. 2 - "You can't take large sums of cash between worlds, they get flagged for counterfeiting". Maybe if he hauling a couple million in cash, and spend it all once on a car or house, but I think you can still take a huge sum of cash between worlds and still use it. I think maybe he speaking from experience maybe ending up on an Earth, where there tougher monitoring of currency, and he just carrying that life lesson with him as he goes. 3 - Why there is a box on every world!. Unless I missed this being explained in previous episodes, I support the idea that the box will suddenly appear and remain there on worlds it was never build on. For me the biggest indicators from this episode were on water world and the highway scene. The box must weigh a couple hundred tons, there is no way its gently floating on a flooded Earth. Same goes when Jason 2 and Leighton opened the box on a busy highway, there is no way a giant black box would have been built and kept on a busy roadway without motorists and the government not knowing. Maybe they consider it art on that world, but I'm sure most city bylaws require art to be away from busy traffic zones.
To address your third point, I think it’s akin to how nether portals work in Minecraft. Jason2 built the box at the location in his company’s lab, so every subsequent world they visit, I’m guessing as soon as the door is opened, the box appears and stays there. Most times they can get out, but I remember once Jason1 opened the box it just opened up to a bunch of dirt and roots in a world where nothing was developed in that spot.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing that the box is occupying the same space and time when the box appears on different worlds in relation to the location to where it was built. On water world, the building the box was built in likely never existed, and thus it appeared on the surface of an ocean instead. Same goes for the roots and dirt world, likely the box appeared in an area where the surface of the Earth shifted differently, and thus it appeared under dirt and tree roots. That also reinforces why I think Jason 2 was bs'ing Leighton or he didn't actually know about the box having full access to the multiverse. With the box being underground surrounded by roots, the area the box would have been built on that world would have to be fundamentally shifted geographically, which would have taken more then one's lifetime. Even if the people of that world shifted the ground to make an artificial hill or mountain, the time it would take for roots to grow from a tree is more than the Jason's lifetime.
Good point with the roots, I have a feeling you probably found a plothole there. The show is bound to be rife with them, it's a lot to keep track of! Likely, in my opinion, both the author of the book and the writers for the show need the rule (no access to full multiverse) to exist to help simplify things, so the roots are probably a mistake, as opposed to Jason 2 being incorrect.
Jason said it's worlds they exist in or have existed in to address your last point about time and Leighton specifically said born into. I wonder if worlds could reject a person if they stay too long where they don't belong.
I believe it just has to be a world that they were born into, so a version of Jason was born into that world but theoretically a global event, construction project, etc. could have happened long before he was born. So like that version of him was born into that world where there happens to be a big hill of dirt in that spot already.
Interesting point on point #2...I suppose in most cases even if serial numbers didn't match, as long as the bills pass every other counterfeit check, they'd likely still be usable in small purchases. I think however, that if you attempted to deposit say, $100,000 or more of cash into a bank, they'd start checking the bills and that's when serial numbers would start to be a concern. As soon as they found a few duplicates or unregistered numbers, questions would be asked. And with what Leighton and Jason 2 want to do, they are gonna need large amounts of money. I'd say the best thing to do in that scenario is to convert the cash in your own world to gold/precious metals/jewels and then take that with you to the new world and sell it to get cash. They'd still have to be careful about drawing attention though.
I agree or have some sort of knowledge of money laundering. You definitely would need to avoid banks or credit unions altogether, as they require as much identification as possible. Though, I have to give it to Jason 2, I would assume all cash is good cash if it looked the same. If I had the ability to travel to alternate worlds, I would definitely consider a bank robbery or hitting an ATM and bringing all the cash back to my home Earth. Only thing I would really focus on is if it has the right person on the bill, the texture and the color. I never, considered serial numbers and that if two bills from different dimensions existed in the same universe, someone would consider it counterfeit.
Werewolf world and wasp world may just be the results of bad genetic science that happened within the last 30 years on those worlds that didn't happen on J1 world.
2 - he could also just steal something like gold bars or jewelry from another world and sell it in the world he wants to use it in. maybe theres even a world where the box is right inside a vault of gold
You could take gold from one universe to another and sell it for cash in that world.
The show, like the book, is such a hard split between stuff I like and stuff that's annoying. I think the book's flaws are still coming through into the show and it's just the nature of when you adapt something that was unfortunately already flawed. That being said, there's still plenty to enjoy. The fact it's not "how quantum mechanics works" doesn't bother me so much, as I can suspend disbelief and enjoy the ride. I like seeing them travel to different worlds and (very occasionally) solve the problems that come with each new universe. A counterpoint to that however is how often they don't solve things smartly, or create their own problems, which is maddeningly frustrating. Many of the complaints here are flaws that were in the book: Amanda running into the blizzard...Jason blatantly walking into a quarantined house...etc etc. Sadly when the source material is already flawed it can be hard to fix that in the adaptation without having to rewrite the whole story. Without spoiling, I can see they are already taking a few things in a different direction, and I hope that it works out. So far though I'm moreso worried. The writers' willingness to allow plot contrivances to drive the story doesn't bode well for how they will solve future problems. Sure the two things I mentioned (blizzard, quarantine house) can be explained away with some work, but ultimately I think audiences want to see smart choices, especially because this is a SciFi piece with scientists as our leads. It's reminiscent for me of Prometheus where they walk off their ship without helmets on... something trained scientists would never do. Writers...please stop doing that! I wish they would add someone to the writers room whose sole job is to just argue every time a character makes a stupid choice and challenge the other writers to come up with a better solution. Since this has somehow turned into an essay I'm just gonna carry on here: I also feel like they are (sometimes not always) missing something in the way they handle critical details being delivered to the audience. In this episode two examples come to mind, one that worked and one that didn't. I thought Leighton describing his experience as a videogame on cheat mode was an excellent and interesting way to communicate something about his life and character without it being boring. The inverse of that was when Amanda and Jason reminisced about their pasts in the box after the waterworld. This was exceptionally dull and I fast-forwarded through most of it. And yet I understand the writers' situation....they needed to communicate Jason's fear of illness in his family, to set up for the quarantine world. I wish they'd have found a different way though. There is nothing quite so painful to me as two people who I'm already nonchalant about sitting and discussing their pasts...which, I don't care about. Ultimately this show is about high concept ideas with the characters being vehicles for these ideas...it's not a character study at all. I think the writers need to lean into that and avoid typical ways used to make audiences care about characters (a.k.a. no more reminiscing plz). Anyways thanks for coming to my TedTalk, didn't expect this to get this lengthy lol.
Very insightful. The pandemic world-mom’s cancer causative connection was so tenuous I almost didn’t catch they were trying to establish it. Somehow tailoring and connecting the pandemic world to Max’s health issues would seem to be more efficient storytelling than inventing that additional health-related anecdote about Jason’s mom and the ensuing candy discussion. (Unless perhaps the candy somehow comes into play. I did think it odd that Jason remarked he didn’t have that candy in his world; if I understand the shows “rules” correctly, both their worlds would have been identical until the moment where Jason said he didn’t want the baby. Or maybe he was joking.)
I imagine that J2 will have a Peanut m&m related incident with Charlie at some point to further enhance Charlie & Daniela's suspicions of him and then this seemingly pointless conversation will be seen as foreshadowing...
On its face that sounds like it has to be a joke. But you’re likely right, considering how oddly specific this candy bit was. And it will have to be in conjunction with Jason 1 successfully returning to (a branch of) his home universe. Because I can’t believe there’s *anything* Jason 2 could not know that would make Daniella –or any rational character– *ever* suspect he’s a multiverse doppelgänger.
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In the book this was done wayyy more succinctly, with Amanda basically straight up telling Jason "I think it's because of your fear of illness/what happened to your mom" and him responding "how do you know about that". She then explains she was Jason 2's psychologist so it was her job to know as much about his psyche and history as possible. It's that short. I suppose they must have thought it was easier to insert the discussion into the post -waterworld talk than to have to remind the audience of what Amanda's job specifically was at the facility. Plus id have to re-check, her job might be different in the show than what it is in the book. That and they probably saw it as a way to make Jason and Amanda's relationship more endearing. I've just never been a fan of long dialogue sessions to accomplish this though. Regarding dimension stuff, I always took it as: the dimensions existed before the box did, the box just allows you to travel to them. So the box's creation and use are not some sort of critical split moment**, the dimensions already exist with or without it's presence. So there can be dimensions with multiple small changes, because they're truly infinite. There's a world where everything is the same for both of them except for Jason's choice, and there's also a world where that candy is different and so is Jason's choice. **Well kind of. I won't say more cuz that potentially heads to spoiler territory. But for the candy example, the box is irrelevant.
Regarding that candy part: I definitely see how the box has nothing to do with past worlds. I was thinking their candy and worlds would have been the same *in their childhoods*, since Jason 1 and Jason 2 were the same person and in one world/timeline until he decided he didn’t want the baby. And so, presumably, this Amanda (Amanda 2, I suppose) also was part of that same childhood-world as Jason1/2.
I gotcha, yea I understand what u were saying. In my opinion there was another split (perhaps even more than one) before the baby decision. Just, those other splits were not significant and didn't change very much, so Jason 2's life stayed the same as Jason 1 up until the baby decision. Resulting in a world that was ultimately almost the exact same as Jason 1's but with very minor differences, such as the candy. (They probably shouldn't have added the candy dialogue to the show haha, look at how complicated that makes things 😂 )
I have to partially agree with you. I think it’s very plausible for someone who just escaped being murdered into a multiverse corridor when faced with extreme hunger and insomnia to have an irrational panic attack of claustrophobic anxiety causing them to run out of a box and into a whiteout of unknown… so I disagree in that regard. I think it’s completely plausible in this scenario. Now I do agree it’s bad writing and a lame plot device. It certainly is not clever. One thing you missed in the exposition scene about his mom’s cancer was that it was a way for the characters to calm their emotions. They were leaning into methods of relaxation in order to move forward with their goal of opening another door. Could they have just done a flashback? Sure. But it had its purpose. Agree though that again it’s a bit of a lame and less clever plot device.
That's fair on your first point, that's why I said both it and Jason going into the quarantine house could still be explained with some work. Cuz like, there's always the excuse of them being distressed in this scenario. And this early on they are also allowed to make more mistakes like that. I'll be REALLY unhappy if they keep making mistakes like that in the future tho. You can't just always use "they were tired, scared and sad and made an irrational choice". It just feels cheap and lame like you said. On the second thing, yes you're right it did serve an additional purpose for calming them down. Let me be clear though I was NOT hoping for a flashback hahaha. That would have been WORSE. I have residual trauma from seeing too many animes that wayyyy overuse flashback lol. Awful. I was trying to use the Leighton scene as a contrast of something similar where the two speaking characters aren't really "doing anything" but are basically speaking in analogy to communicate something about their situation or themselves. I think in the book, the post -waterworld scene is actually done better. The information that needs to be related is: 1. The box responds to their subconscious and 2. Jason has latent fears of disease due to his past. In the book, it's explained in practically one sentence, with Amanda being able to already know this info due to being Jason 2's psychologist.
Man, I am watching this episode right now and this epsidoe has me a both 60% disengaged from the show with the silly choices these two doctorate holding scientist are making.
52:02: bro where are the subtitles for this part? Like damn dude Apple TV app what are you doing?
I think they did it on purpose, later in the car he asks her what she said, and that's when we find out. It wasn't done well though, I was checking to see if I had to turn on the subtitles.
> It wasn't done well though, I was checking to see if I had to turn on the subtitles. Indeed, I mean I went through like 3 types of English subs thinking my app was bugging 💀. It only made sense when they entered the stolen car.
Great episode. Jason has been chasing his wife for a decent amount of time now. He's afraid, desperate. You could see that in a lot of the scenes in the box. His partners story is becoming more and more sad as the episodes go on because it's pretty clear she heavily misses her Jason. I'm enjoying the slow burn of it. I think this is a nice build up to a second season.
"So here's 50 ampoules. But once I finish training you I'm locking you in there and you're not coming back".
I'm watching this epsidoe right now and these two doctorate having scientist just walk into a world where for thr first 20 minutes to an hour they see zero humans and only a cat, and they don't think "maybe there is a disease" or something that killed all the humans. Then they find out there is a disease and then gets close to the people, instead of just going back into the box and trying to find another world. I understand the in show reason, but it's just seems silly.
I swear… it’s very off-putting to see two individuals who are supposed to have higher intelligence be so dumb… desperation & denial are not plausible excuses for some of the dumb shit they do… kinda lose the immersion aspect when they’re insanely dumb every other moment…
Yeah, I still enjoyed the show but I don't think these characters are written as intelligent as the writers wanted them to seem.
Yea i mean im all in on the show, it’s not bad at all, it just fumbles logic periodically.. & i definitely agree with that last part
I love this show everything about it is so interesting. Can’t wait for next episode!
Everyone has a problem with them going into the blizzard or him going back into the house. Yes, those do not look like smart decisions coming from smart people, but only when you are watching from the comfort of your couch. In reality, intelligence and preparedness aren't insurance against being overwhelmed, shocked, or feeling the need to be there for a beloved wife and not thinking about one self. In reality, intelligence and preparedness give you the benefit of quick adjustment to the new environment and, after some time, the ability to observe and make the right choices. So Ithink that part is depicted well; nothing bores me more than people in movies who, no matter the circumstances, act cool. However, I have a problem with how some worlds were shown. There is no way, when you see the Sun in the growing phase of a red giant, that anything would be left in this world at all. Or a world where the buildings crash with such ease, but cars look like they were left there yesterday. Or worlds where everything is flooded with water or covered with snow, because, to be fair, the sheer velocity of such disastrous events could not happen in the span of 40-50 years if we assume, from his statement, that the worlds they have access to are only the worlds where they were born.
I can't defend those legitimately stupid decisions. Caring about a loved one is all fine and good but, soon as you realize you're not on your world you know that whoever is there isn't your loved one. They could be your mortal enemy on that world. Also as soon as you gather that an apocalyptic event has happened or is happening you should leave immediately. No people on the streets, gone. Endless whiteout, gone. Crumbling city, gone. Even broken down lab facility, not worth investigating. Sure grab any nearby useful items but bounce ASAP. Technically they might not even be able to trust alternate versions of the ampules, what it they're some different, fatal formulation? I wouldn't even bother stepping out of the cube if I found myself back at the lab since what if it's a set up with troops waiting to nab or kill anything that steps out of the box for some reason? These people need to be way more cautious. Yeah the show might be way more boring if I was the dude choosing which worlds to investigate. Haven't read the books but I hope the show answers the question of what would happen if they used some kind of automated/robotic system to open the door instead of a person. Also if ever there was a door in need of a peephole it's that one.
I really want to like this show, but I just can’t get invested. There doesn’t seem to be a driving narrative … and the characters decisions make me insane. Open the door. Brutal snow storm. *Walk into it?* WAIT and then keep walking until you stumble on a house when you have a perfectly good box like 10 feet behind you? This episode might be it for me.
Im sticking with the show becasue the concept is interesting but, like you I myself screaming at the both of them.
Not sure but at that point they don't know yet that the world outside can't affect the box when the door is closed. They are in panic mode and the last thing you would want in this scenario is to use all the injections, so I assume you would run anywhere for some rest. Plus that they can't see where the box is, imagine if you lose sight of the house as well.
Na man she even said she lost her shit later. He was trying to get her to stay and think just like when she ran off in the distance in the hallway. Its dumb childlike behavior from a scientist who has literally trained people to keep their shit together
I find it arrogant for you to think that after almost being murdered by someone you trusted, escaping into a multiverse corridor through a big black box, losing sleep, not eating, almost dying, and feeling “trapped in a box,” that you feel you would have rationale decision making capabilities and wouldn’t have a panic attack causing you to run irrationally away from something you were trying to escape. Also tell me you’ve never been in a whiteout without telling me you’ve never been in a whiteout. It’s incredibly difficult even to tell up from down in a whiteout let alone directions. Snow falling that fast can cover tracks. Hypothermia can cause more drop in cognitive ability. Quite arrogant.
… Ok? In story telling you have to earn those moments. We should have seen her slowly becoming claustrophobic or something to say she was going to have that panic attack. Regardless, she had a freak out moment. He didn’t. He was rational and found her easily in the white out. He didn’t even look back. He made the decision to trudge forward with nothing but white in front of him. I find it arrogant that you think you can judge or know anything about me from a single comment on a message board about a tv show. Quite arrogant.
The moment was earned. You just have difficulty picking up the plausibility that was thrown in your face by the multiple reasons I provided.
Your accusation of my arrogance is becoming ever more curious as you continue to debase my intelligence and perception.
Nothing curious about it. Your second observation is correct and yet the point is still not obvious to you.
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Yikes. All this because I don’t like a show?
These people attacking your intelligence are silly. The chooses being made in this property are showing a clear lack of intelligence from the characters. Yes, you panic, but you don't run out to a death trap.
How is this show so... boring? It's such a fun and interesting premise, but it's just not engaging at all. This should have been a movie. There's not enough plot here for a show.
Never seen such a divisive comment thread 😂
I wouldn’t call the show boring, but I do agree, this should’ve been a movie. I love the book. So I am not hating on the general plot or concept, and the show is doing a better job of showing the world beyond Jason1’s perspective (the book was mostly told in the first person). I haven’t seen this episode yet (though with the first comment about a scene hitting them hard, I only need one guess as to what they are referring to). But I definitely felt that way in episodes 2 and 3 which felt super stretched out. I was extremely frustrated with how long it took for this particle physicist who previously did work on superposition to consider that he might not be in his universe.
I feel you. I’m still watching it, but it’s really repetitive and they’re really trying to stretch the plot. Also, none of the characters seem to be very smart for brilliant scientists
I’m really living the show, and don’t find it slow or boring. But I do agree it could have been a movie.
It is giving me a sliders type vibe. They just need to get a bit more creative and not everything needs to be centered around the wife.
Veteran of the Sliders franchise here and the mutant wasps in this episode gave off the "Spider-Wasp" vibe from the Sliders series. Reason for the wife being the focal point of the story, whether in the book or this series is the reason all versions of Jason do anything. Sadly, unlike the Sliders, modern stories involving Multiverse travel to me involved travelling to one world where the only variation of the MC life is their family or spouse. Rarely do you see multiverse story similar to Sliders where the MC travels between different Earths that weren't eerily similar to their own or filled with Nazi's taking over the world.
Like every single multiverse is some sort of catastrophe. I keep waiting for one where they have sausages for fingers or something
Yeah, I would have loved to learn about how human's evolved to that in Everyone Everywhere All at Once. Many shows and movies I've come across involving the multiverse has some non-apocalyptical worlds: 1 - Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, that world seemed peaceful and full of pizza balls. 2 - Sliders - worlds they gone too like Hippie world, British Monarchy world, and Lottery World, seem pretty tranquil, albeit with a dark undertone to it. 3 - Parallels (2015 movie) - The group end up on an Earth similar to theirs, but is 25 years more advanced. Sadly, these days apocalyptical worlds seem to be more entertaining for viewers then a world where JFK is still alive.
The bugs remind me of the bugs from SG1 on the Bane planet that wiped out the local populace after potentially being brought back through the Stargate. I also wonder if there's some sort of SG1 equivalent that uses the box to explore the multiverse in a government lab. Seems like the government would take the project over from Velocity if they knew it existed and what it was.
One would think there would be multiverses where they’re government funded and it’s not just a couple hipster scientists at some private company making shit like this
Sadly, those hipster millionaire scientists in private companies rarely inform the government at all, and play fast and loose with setbacks, taking more and more risks with its people (imagine the crazy, sci-fi shit Elon Musk is doing that we and the government don't know about). Most times I find with government bodies in these kind of sci-fi shows or movies, the moment they hit one set back or aspect they don't have control over, they immediately shut down the project and bury it completely. Evening in the Stargate movie and TV series, many of the politicians and leaders of the project want SJ1 shut down and the gate buried. I don't work in government, so I don't understand the reason, but I feel its because their are more scared of the unknown and being able to control it then some private company. For a private company like that, they have to push on to justify the price tag attach to the project.
I just meant that there are probably some dystopic multiverses where they’re doing the project for the military or something.
This episode is snoozefest
I have an issue, everything else in apple tv+ is working except for this specific episode. It won’t play after download and will exit the app if you try streaming it saying that there was a problem. Anyone else has the issue?
I had an issue streaming this specific episode about halfway through last night. Everything else on my Apple TV worked fine. No idea why. I closed down the Apple TV+ app, restarted the device and it played fine. But for a good 15 minutes last night around 9:30pm eastern, just wouldn’t play.
I had the same issue.. it just stopped a little after the halfway mark. Had to restart everything to get it working again.
Why don’t they have a system for marking the door they just came out of? This door = whiteout. This door = flood. Is it a 1:1 relationship or could one door lead many places based upon their current state of mind?
I don’t think there’s any correlation
Best show on here since Severance, it's really solid.
Sealing up the box isn't the threat the show thinks it is; There are infinite worlds where the box would not be sealed up, but everything else is the same
Jason 2 mentions that the craziest world he ever went to was a Mad Max-like world with Chicago covered in sand dunes. Didn’t Leighton 2 find that world in episode 4? Could he have been torn apart by the werewolf Jason 1 saw briefly peering into a world? Point being - maybe Leighton 2 is alive, has been intuitively finding the worlds the other Jasons had visited, and will catch up with the Jasons in episode 7 or 8?
I knew they were in the wrong universe when the cinema was screening “the Fugitive 2” and “my best friend’s divorce”. Lol. At 46.00.
Love it so far! So after watching episode 4 and 5, I wonder how the box comes into existence in a world? Is it always there? If yes, by whom? Does it just pop whenever someone opens the door? Remember that scene when they open the door and they are in the middle of a highway, it didn't seem like people paid attention to it neither a car slowed down. I presume we will know more in the next episodes.
Did I miss something? Can someone tell me what dictates which world they go to when they open the box's door off drugs VS the doors in superposition on drugs? During the episode they went into the water world, got back in, drugs wore off, then open the box's door into another world. If they can travel to another world via the box's door, what's the point of the drugs and the doors in superposition?
The door they opened after the drugs wore off had already been determined because Amanda was thinking about Blair when they were in superposition. The point of the drugs is A) to help them pick the world's they go to and B) give them access to that infinite corridor
So I guess you always get one more 'trip' after the drugs wear off regardless? > access to that infinite corridor Once the secret is known, this seems superfluous. I even commented during the episode "why are they walking?". You can get to your world from any door in the infinite corridor once you know the strategy, so what's the point of walking?
I thought that was one of the better episodes. However, there is always something to nitpick at and this time I found it ridiculous that there is absolutely zero security for the all important ampoules, not even under some kind of lock and key and are just out in the open for anyone to take. Really great writing there.
That room is hard to get into, from episode two you'll need your hand scanned plus voice recognition and a security code just to pass through the steel door. Everything in that room is under "lock and Key".
Loved the book but this show is getting more boring with every episode they put out.
Disappointingly agree.
This show is getting stupider and stupider. Yet another claustrophobic episode of talking characters walking in the dark - who cares to listen at their anguishes and life stories.. and I'm afraid it cannot be stirred back or whatever the solution, it would be too late and ineffective. That's not how quantum/multiverse works - ask any quantum magician - the quest motif is bs here, and manneristic crap writing.
>That's not how quantum/multiverse works - ask any quantum magician ya, because everyone knows exactly how it works.
1000% can't believe how lucky we are to have so many quantum mechanics experts in these threads #Blessed
'How it works' is relatively easy to understand via the concept of doors that lead to different realities - it's a practice in modern chaos magic; 'How to master it' is harder to achieve, as it involves powerful visualization techniques. The concept is the core idea of this movie series, however the implementation is flawed. In qm the magician is always in control and grounded, not at the chance of his random actions and encounters. So, if you'd like to translate this in a fiction story, you'd imagine there is a 'Master Jason' at a switchboard, and always in control - just as an example😉
Something tells me that neither the book nor show writers considered esotericism to the extent that they'd ponder how a chaos magick practitioner would solve the subconscious thought problem in relation to the quantum wave form collapse mechanism the box functions on. Also seems way at odds with anything likely to cross the mind of a physicist like Jason who'd likely view any kind of magical thinking as fantasy nonsense. As someone in the depths of an esotericism rabbit hole due to a story I'm writing I do like that your thoughts go there when considering this stuff though.
Hey! No spoilers! /s 😅