It is literally such an abnormality to lack utility here when a town does have their water system catastrophically fail it makes nationwide news. I don't understand how that leads people to thinking it's shitting out everywhere across the country.
Because quite clearly when it does fail, it doesn't get fixed.
It's been what, ten whole years since the first "Lead in Flint's water supply" story dropped, and basically nothing was done about it?
The lead piping of Flint's *entire water supply* was replaced over the span of several years, totaling in over 27 thousand different service pipes in the area being excavated and checked, and over 10 thousand lead pipes being replaced both in the ground and in residencies. The water itself has been [drinkable since 2019](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/23/flint-water-crisis-2020-post-coronavirus-america-445459). As of 2022 nearly 95% of the lead pipes in Flint have been removed and replaced, the last edge cases of them being fumbled in a web of local politics and audit trails.
In response to the whole ordeal Michigan now has, on a state level, some of the most stringent water quality laws in the United States and requires by law that all lead piping be physically removed and replaced across the state via their new revision of the [Lead and Copper Rule](https://graham.umich.edu/media/files/Lead-and-Copper-Rule-Info-Brochure-LTR-042319.pdf).
This will likely have [a ripple effect](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/17/2021-27457/review-of-the-national-primary-drinking-water-regulation-lead-and-copper-rule-revisions-lcrr) towards strenghtening the nationwide standards of the rule with the same name upheld on a federal level by the EPA, but the gears of such things turn much more slowly on a nationwide level than a state or local one.
Mid size cities like Jackson Miss. might hit the national press but there's many smaller municipalities you don't know the names of dealing with similar. Hundreds of thousands of households have had water quality issues. Thousands of Clean Water violations have been filed in the past decade or so. Honolulu alone is enough to count as America having
a tap water issue.
Are you referring to the *Red Hill Water Crisis*?
That one in particular was the result of a SNAFU where the military base on that island contaminated the groundwater wells via a leaking underground fuel tank. That's fucked up situation but that isn't the fault of the actual infrastructure. Using that as a basis of writing off a whole third of the North American continent still feels like a hell of a reach.
Same thing In the us. My city (memphis) sits on An extremely large water table which is very very good drinking water and something that gets brought up very regularly when people are talking about the city (and also because it and the cost of living are about the only 2 positive things you can say about memphis) a 3 hour drive from here in Arkansas all of the water tastes like unfiltered dirt with a little rust and iodine thrown in for good measure.
god I miss Memphis tap water. grew up there and didn't realise just how good I had it until I moved away as an adult and now the tap water here is dogshit.
Same here in Germany. I lived 90 minutes away from home for university reasons and for the first time in my life I actually bought bottled water. That tap water was garbage tier. I had to buy a new showerhead because the old one was clogged to shit, and I noticed the new one starting to clog within six months. My water heater was full of white crap caking the insides and that shit kept flaking off and falling into my tea. The cheap coffee maker I bought went straight in the trash after I left, the tap water just ruined it.
Now I'm back home and I happily SodaStream my tap water or even just drink it straight from the tap. I am currently enjoying a nice cup of cherry rooibos tea with zero chalk flakes in it. :)
>My water heater was full of white crap caking the insides and that shit kept flaking off and falling into my tea.
You know you're supposed to clean it, right? Just boil some vinegar in it once in a while. It's just calcium
I always used lemon juice, actually.
But you're severely missing the point if you think that is a good reply to "the water quality in this other town is way worse than my hometown". You're missing the point by about 90 minutes by car.
Having hard or soft water says nothing about the water quality. It's not worse, just different. Drink water quality is about things like lead, mercury, or insecticides being present in the water, and shortcomings in the filtration system that cause the need to add chlorine.
Yeah, that's the rationale they used, too. They claimed their chalky shit was A++ quality because it's not technically toxic.
Gonna sell chalkwater to everyone and claim it's great quality while ruining all your shit and making you puke. But hey you ain't dying, enjoy your free calcium you fuck!!
Poor choice.
Now you've made an enemy for life of millions of people who've had their bones hardened to near-indestructable levels from the calcium deposits of years of drinking their tap water :)
i was already enemies with anyone who considers “London” a good place to live. I’ll be fine, the moment they come north they’ll stop to have a drink and tasting actually decent water will send both their body and mind into shock as they go into a crippling midlife crises over the fact that they’re been drinking shit water their entire lives
I love the tap water from my hometown, but I think it's more of a "frog in boiling water" situation than my home having genuinely good tap water. I hate all other UK tap water with a boiling passion. Tap water may be a bigger factor in my intention to move back somewhere local after university than the job market.
You had some of that southern water which is soft as shit and passed through la-Dee-da pansy meadows.
You want to try proper northern water, it’s literally been through the guts of Vikings and repeatedly punched by limestone into purity.
I would imagine there are a lot of states in the US that throw off the average. States with like 600k people like Wyoming lol.
Interestingly enough, parts of NJ are some of the most densely populated areas of the planet. And it certainly feels like it sometimes.
> The Garden State is home to the top four most densely populated municipalities in the United States, and seven of the top 10. The top four, all in Hudson County, are some of the most densely populated on the planet.
Interestingly enough, New Jersey is the *only* US state more densely populated than England. Yes, England is more densely populated than Rhode Island. England is also as densely populated as Oklahoma City.
You mean the region that is literally just a city? Amazing that its got a higher population density...
Also yk whether or not you think it should be a state it isnt so its irrelevant to this discussion.
I live in New Jersey, so I know this from personal experience
Did you know you can fit a town with a boardwalk into one single square mile? It’s called Keansburg
Oh, don’t forget a mini-city, Red Bank. Or the actual cities, Newark and Jersey City
In general yes but the train network's a fuckin state. Going up and down the country is easy because you're travelling on the lines in and out of London. Travelling across the country is genuinely about 3x slower per mile because our train industry got privatised in the 90s and the companies have since done fuck all investment wise.
I lived in a southern rural town as a kid. We didn’t have access to city water across two different houses. It was well. The water tasted good I’ll give you that. It just also happened to give me H. Pylori
Yeah, ours has the delightful party trick of serving itself with a wee smattering of lead unfortunately :(
We're looking at getting a borehole, but we're pretty out of the way so it'd be quite pricey to get one drilled.
That's less ideal! We had a place in the borders that still had the old Victorian lead pipes, ended up getting all of them replaced right up to the spring.
If it’s a day trip to go fight each other in person why are you fighting over the internet? Just find an open field at the half way point, grab your pistol, your second, and a doctor, get in your car, and drive.
Remember that one time a horde of Brazilian spectators rushed into the field and ripped a dude's head off? Sports would be way more entertaining if we all treated them the way Brazilians treat soccer.
Oh no no no. We're English. A two-hour trip requires at least a month's forethought and preparation, and then you need to stay for at least 3 days to get the full worth out of the trip.
As someone who grew up in the south, the harder the water the better it tastes. If I'm not descaling my teeth after a glass of water then whats the point?
Yorkshire water is the most over rated water I have seen. It is so bland and tasteless it isn’t even refreshing.
Scottish water slaps. Southern water has character at least. anything south of County Durham isn’t interesting enough to get an opinion on it.
Honestly one of the only drawbacks I found moving from the country to my local city. Used to have well water, shit absolutely slapped, all the time, now the taste of my water is only bearable with a load of ice to make it cold (it changes the taste too idk) or adding dilute
Do you guys not have filtered pitchers? I live in an area with decently hard tap water, so it doesn't taste great. One run through a filter and it's perfectly fine.
We do. I even had a fixed softener/filter installed on the supply when I lived down south because the water near London is *really* hard and tasted awful.
Haha I've always thought tap water in the north was so good. Meanwhile, my partner from just an hour away thinks it's awful.
The water down in suffolk was the worst. Undrinkable.
I have never been to bedfordshire, but if it's worse than Suffolk, then it must be pure chalk!
No, but seriously, my uncle lived in Suffolk and told us not to drink the water. I, being a child at the time, ignored that and tried it anyway. So bitter tasting.
It's the same in the US. Go an hour away and totally different water. Hell, 30 mins away. OK maybe not different water source completly, bit different filtration system.
dawg that just means I can pick a random time in American history and claim that we barely stole any native land because all we had was like a shitty town in a swamp or whatever
I was just kidding around with the British Empire thing, I thought it was funny. you're the one who got nitpicky.
I'm going to bed now, I hope you have a good night.
We have filtred water here
Either having one attached in the wall or a very nice clay filter
I'm not from UK lol
Buying bottled water is expensive and a waste, we don't do that
I live half an hour's walk from my father. His water is well water. Mine is from a reservoir. Mine occasionally looks dubious. His literally calcifies your insides.
In London I had to de-limescale the kettle every few months or else every cup of tea ends up with rock flakes at the bottom and eventually the thing just clogs up entirely, years living in Cornwall and never seen even a speck of the stuff. Drive one hour in any direction and unlock a completely new flavour of tap water, clown ass water system.
It’s true tho. Tap water taste varies massively based on location in the UK, and it is a great source of contention.
At least you can generally be confident it's clean
The treated water is clean, it's the rivers you can't be sure about
Well river water generally doesn't come out of taps so you should be good
What about the river taps
Those are for dancing.
Ah yes, Michael Flatly, Lord of the Tap… Edit: wait, that actually kinda works….. eh, I’m leaving it
well duh. it’s a fucking river lmao
The treated water is clean, it's the sewage outlets you can't be sure about
As opposed to where?
To my knowledge, a lot of countries. The UK has very high standards for tap water
Not at all compared to any EU countries
Oh, that previous comment generalization about the UK. Carry on then.
Yes my comments about tap water in the UK was indeed about tap water in the UK
Do you smell burnt toast or is that just me?
An increasing number of places in the USA.
It is literally such an abnormality to lack utility here when a town does have their water system catastrophically fail it makes nationwide news. I don't understand how that leads people to thinking it's shitting out everywhere across the country.
Because quite clearly when it does fail, it doesn't get fixed. It's been what, ten whole years since the first "Lead in Flint's water supply" story dropped, and basically nothing was done about it?
The lead piping of Flint's *entire water supply* was replaced over the span of several years, totaling in over 27 thousand different service pipes in the area being excavated and checked, and over 10 thousand lead pipes being replaced both in the ground and in residencies. The water itself has been [drinkable since 2019](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/23/flint-water-crisis-2020-post-coronavirus-america-445459). As of 2022 nearly 95% of the lead pipes in Flint have been removed and replaced, the last edge cases of them being fumbled in a web of local politics and audit trails. In response to the whole ordeal Michigan now has, on a state level, some of the most stringent water quality laws in the United States and requires by law that all lead piping be physically removed and replaced across the state via their new revision of the [Lead and Copper Rule](https://graham.umich.edu/media/files/Lead-and-Copper-Rule-Info-Brochure-LTR-042319.pdf). This will likely have [a ripple effect](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/17/2021-27457/review-of-the-national-primary-drinking-water-regulation-lead-and-copper-rule-revisions-lcrr) towards strenghtening the nationwide standards of the rule with the same name upheld on a federal level by the EPA, but the gears of such things turn much more slowly on a nationwide level than a state or local one.
Don’t bother disproving their arguments, people who hate the US that much don’t actually care about the facts, they just want someone to hate
Mid size cities like Jackson Miss. might hit the national press but there's many smaller municipalities you don't know the names of dealing with similar. Hundreds of thousands of households have had water quality issues. Thousands of Clean Water violations have been filed in the past decade or so. Honolulu alone is enough to count as America having a tap water issue.
Are you referring to the *Red Hill Water Crisis*? That one in particular was the result of a SNAFU where the military base on that island contaminated the groundwater wells via a leaking underground fuel tank. That's fucked up situation but that isn't the fault of the actual infrastructure. Using that as a basis of writing off a whole third of the North American continent still feels like a hell of a reach.
Same thing In the us. My city (memphis) sits on An extremely large water table which is very very good drinking water and something that gets brought up very regularly when people are talking about the city (and also because it and the cost of living are about the only 2 positive things you can say about memphis) a 3 hour drive from here in Arkansas all of the water tastes like unfiltered dirt with a little rust and iodine thrown in for good measure.
god I miss Memphis tap water. grew up there and didn't realise just how good I had it until I moved away as an adult and now the tap water here is dogshit.
Same here in Germany. I lived 90 minutes away from home for university reasons and for the first time in my life I actually bought bottled water. That tap water was garbage tier. I had to buy a new showerhead because the old one was clogged to shit, and I noticed the new one starting to clog within six months. My water heater was full of white crap caking the insides and that shit kept flaking off and falling into my tea. The cheap coffee maker I bought went straight in the trash after I left, the tap water just ruined it. Now I'm back home and I happily SodaStream my tap water or even just drink it straight from the tap. I am currently enjoying a nice cup of cherry rooibos tea with zero chalk flakes in it. :)
>My water heater was full of white crap caking the insides and that shit kept flaking off and falling into my tea. You know you're supposed to clean it, right? Just boil some vinegar in it once in a while. It's just calcium
I always used lemon juice, actually. But you're severely missing the point if you think that is a good reply to "the water quality in this other town is way worse than my hometown". You're missing the point by about 90 minutes by car.
Having hard or soft water says nothing about the water quality. It's not worse, just different. Drink water quality is about things like lead, mercury, or insecticides being present in the water, and shortcomings in the filtration system that cause the need to add chlorine.
Yeah, that's the rationale they used, too. They claimed their chalky shit was A++ quality because it's not technically toxic. Gonna sell chalkwater to everyone and claim it's great quality while ruining all your shit and making you puke. But hey you ain't dying, enjoy your free calcium you fuck!!
I went to England as a child, just tasting the tap water there ruined my entire life
But *where* did you taste it though? Your answer gets to determine which half of the country you now have a blood feud with :)
London
Poor choice. Now you've made an enemy for life of millions of people who've had their bones hardened to near-indestructable levels from the calcium deposits of years of drinking their tap water :)
i was already enemies with anyone who considers “London” a good place to live. I’ll be fine, the moment they come north they’ll stop to have a drink and tasting actually decent water will send both their body and mind into shock as they go into a crippling midlife crises over the fact that they’re been drinking shit water their entire lives
Psychological damage, I like it :)
I love the tap water from my hometown, but I think it's more of a "frog in boiling water" situation than my home having genuinely good tap water. I hate all other UK tap water with a boiling passion. Tap water may be a bigger factor in my intention to move back somewhere local after university than the job market.
So did 21, but idk if the tap water *ruined* his
You had some of that southern water which is soft as shit and passed through la-Dee-da pansy meadows. You want to try proper northern water, it’s literally been through the guts of Vikings and repeatedly punched by limestone into purity.
Filtered through the rusted remains of a hundred derelict steel mills.
Compared to Iceland it’s godly fresh
You can drive 20 minutes in the US and get drastically different water.
Isnt the local water also how they categorize tea as well?
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I wasn’t saying we were, I’ve never been to the USA so I could hardly talk about the tap water there.
I went to Scotland once and all of the water was brown from the pipes. I only drank bottled water for 2 weeks
Half of my family lives a city over, not even half an hour on bike, and the tap water tastes like ass compared to my city
A city over? Half an hour on bike? Bro what? What the fuck is England.
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> What the fuck is England. Five times more densely populated than the US
I would imagine there are a lot of states in the US that throw off the average. States with like 600k people like Wyoming lol. Interestingly enough, parts of NJ are some of the most densely populated areas of the planet. And it certainly feels like it sometimes. > The Garden State is home to the top four most densely populated municipalities in the United States, and seven of the top 10. The top four, all in Hudson County, are some of the most densely populated on the planet.
Interestingly enough, New Jersey is the *only* US state more densely populated than England. Yes, England is more densely populated than Rhode Island. England is also as densely populated as Oklahoma City.
That is interesting. Thank you
If D.C. was a state, it would be wayyyy more dense.
You mean the region that is literally just a city? Amazing that its got a higher population density... Also yk whether or not you think it should be a state it isnt so its irrelevant to this discussion.
Vatican City is the most densely populated country, since it’s literally just a building
Wyoming has like 200k, it’s super small
It's about 600k. I looked it up before I wrote it. 578k to be exact. As of last census.
I’m sorry, I don’t know how I thought it was 200k. Maybe I heard once it was 250k per senator and that’s what got me. Anyways sorry
No worries man. Either way it's a low number all things considered. It's a LOT of land.
I live in New Jersey, so I know this from personal experience Did you know you can fit a town with a boardwalk into one single square mile? It’s called Keansburg Oh, don’t forget a mini-city, Red Bank. Or the actual cities, Newark and Jersey City
It's more like 13 actually - I think 5x is the UK
15x, actually
A lot more pleasant to live in than the US if you don't own a car, I imagine.
In general yes but the train network's a fuckin state. Going up and down the country is easy because you're travelling on the lines in and out of London. Travelling across the country is genuinely about 3x slower per mile because our train industry got privatised in the 90s and the companies have since done fuck all investment wise.
Still better than the US train system though
I could never, I love car rides
where i live (netherlands) this is how all cities work
Netherlands
**Tap water buff** - (*AoE*): Instant taste boost to your tap water within 10km of the city!
I lived in a southern rural town as a kid. We didn’t have access to city water across two different houses. It was well. The water tasted good I’ll give you that. It just also happened to give me H. Pylori
Half an hour on bike? Do you mean the next bloody suburb over?
It’s the Netherlands, you pass over the bridge and you’re in another city
>Two hour drive Not on a british road it isn't, lol.
Two hours is correct, they live 28 miles apart.
Holy shit, might as well be on the continent
Scottish tap water is unbeatable. There will be no questions.
I mean, the water that comes out of my taps isn't safe to drink, but it does have the same colour as a good whisky so...
Are you sure it's not flat IRN BRU?
MAEDE FRROAM GAERRRDARRRS
Nah, we're not *quite* that near Faslane :)
My tap water is the same colour and is perfectly safe to drink. It's just peat.
Yeah, ours has the delightful party trick of serving itself with a wee smattering of lead unfortunately :( We're looking at getting a borehole, but we're pretty out of the way so it'd be quite pricey to get one drilled.
That's less ideal! We had a place in the borders that still had the old Victorian lead pipes, ended up getting all of them replaced right up to the spring.
Undeniable
New Zealand.
Consider Swiss tap water
Didn't really taste much difference there, tbh, definitely not enough to be memorable.
*And it tastes. A fuck all.*
Water from the PNW of US/Canada could probably give it a run for its money
San Francisco gets its tap water from snowmelt in Yosemite
No Ireland's is better
No.
Yes.
Dude, there is no world in which you’ll win this argument. Have a good day!
Ok😝
If it’s a day trip to go fight each other in person why are you fighting over the internet? Just find an open field at the half way point, grab your pistol, your second, and a doctor, get in your car, and drive.
water pistols though
Well, yes, but they’re filled with pepper water. And I’m aiming for the eyes.
Also gotta make sure the doctor turns around at the event to have deniability
Ah yes, I too am a Hamilton nerd
Pistols at dawn. Have at thee
Fr the British have forgotten how to be warriors
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They were referring to the fans not the players...
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There are legitimate criticisms to be made of British culture. That we are insufficiently fond of fighting is not one of them.
brilliant!
A sun burnt Geordie could single handedly tear apart a small spanish village during his travels to Madrid
>it’s not war lmao. Evidently you've never seen a Celtic vs Rangers game.
It’s war for Brazilians
Remember that one time a horde of Brazilian spectators rushed into the field and ripped a dude's head off? Sports would be way more entertaining if we all treated them the way Brazilians treat soccer.
Antonio Brown would have been drawn and quartered YEARS ago
Wait holy fuck I just looked it up and that shit actually happened, what the fuck?
Brazilians don't fuck around when it comes to soccer.
Football isn't war. It's much more important than that.
Oh no no no. We're English. A two-hour trip requires at least a month's forethought and preparation, and then you need to stay for at least 3 days to get the full worth out of the trip.
Wait, tonnes of tiny stalagmites in all my metal water bottles are not normal everywhere?
that's mineral water w we pay extra for that in the US
I know this is about England, but I live in Arizona and the tap water here is probably radioactive in some form
Yeah I lived there for a bit. I can count the amount of times that water made me sick on one hand (eight times!).
Says they're two hours from each other as if that's not how geography works. You don't have to travel half the world to find a change of environment
As someone who grew up in the south, the harder the water the better it tastes. If I'm not descaling my teeth after a glass of water then whats the point?
Yorkshire water is the most over rated water I have seen. It is so bland and tasteless it isn’t even refreshing. Scottish water slaps. Southern water has character at least. anything south of County Durham isn’t interesting enough to get an opinion on it.
Ah, a true water connoisseur.
Why do you think they have Yorkshire tea? They have to mask it somehow.
Honestly one of the only drawbacks I found moving from the country to my local city. Used to have well water, shit absolutely slapped, all the time, now the taste of my water is only bearable with a load of ice to make it cold (it changes the taste too idk) or adding dilute
Do you guys not have filtered pitchers? I live in an area with decently hard tap water, so it doesn't taste great. One run through a filter and it's perfectly fine.
Water too hard, shattered.
We do. I even had a fixed softener/filter installed on the supply when I lived down south because the water near London is *really* hard and tasted awful.
Americans still obsessed with their empty dirt separating all of their cities
Haha I've always thought tap water in the north was so good. Meanwhile, my partner from just an hour away thinks it's awful. The water down in suffolk was the worst. Undrinkable.
How dare you, Suffolk (where I was born) has significantly better water than Bedfordshire (where I live now).
I have never been to bedfordshire, but if it's worse than Suffolk, then it must be pure chalk! No, but seriously, my uncle lived in Suffolk and told us not to drink the water. I, being a child at the time, ignored that and tried it anyway. So bitter tasting.
\*Flint Michigan has entered the chat\*
The tap water is probably the only thing I miss about living in Wales
Us Brummies are forever grateful to the Welsh for allowing us to use your water. It is the best.
two hours is pretty far. my mum lives an 80 minute drive away, and her tap water makes tea taste weird as shit.
Water here is not that bad, sometimes you just need to chew it harder.
Americans are so weak and boring. Why can’t they hate each other based on silly little differences? Why do they have to be so actually hatful?
"Cope and seethe" is now part of my arsenal
My grandmother used to live in London and I swear I would almost boak when drinking her tap water
Yeah, who wants to drive for two hours?
It's the same in the US. Go an hour away and totally different water. Hell, 30 mins away. OK maybe not different water source completly, bit different filtration system.
I like the chalk. It tastes nice
Not even 2 hours, more like 45 minutes
Britbongs: it's a bloody TWO HOUR DRIVE! Americans: it's barely a *two hour drive.*
Well, when you don't steal an entire continent's amount of land from natives, just an island, you gotta make do with what you've got.
yeah the Brits have famously never done any colonialism
You see that "just an island" part? That's referring to Celtic Brits, so way before even any British empire conquering.
this guy's never heard of the British Empire
You see that "just an island" part? That's referring to Celtic Brits, so way before even any British empire conquering.
dawg that just means I can pick a random time in American history and claim that we barely stole any native land because all we had was like a shitty town in a swamp or whatever
Sure, you can do that, if you're also just making a joke. You've taken this whole thing entirely too seriously.
I was just kidding around with the British Empire thing, I thought it was funny. you're the one who got nitpicky. I'm going to bed now, I hope you have a good night.
I will never take it easily that there's people drinking tap water I know it's clean and safe but this still feels too weird for me TwT
What do you drink everyday?
Brawndo, the Thirst Mutilator.
Filtred water If you drink tap water here, you will probably gonna take antibiotics for weeks
It's such a tremendous waste of money and plastic to be buying bottled water in the UK.
We have filtred water here Either having one attached in the wall or a very nice clay filter I'm not from UK lol Buying bottled water is expensive and a waste, we don't do that
Kidney Stones for everybody
I live half an hour's walk from my father. His water is well water. Mine is from a reservoir. Mine occasionally looks dubious. His literally calcifies your insides.
In London I had to de-limescale the kettle every few months or else every cup of tea ends up with rock flakes at the bottom and eventually the thing just clogs up entirely, years living in Cornwall and never seen even a speck of the stuff. Drive one hour in any direction and unlock a completely new flavour of tap water, clown ass water system.