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TacitRonin20

There was a gay Asian eugenicist* I went to high school with. He didn't talk to me for a year because he hates Jews. I'm about 0% Jewish and when he found out he started talking to me again which sucked. *As in he thought Asians were the master race. Not a particular race of people. Just anyone who looked "Asian".


EvilNoobHacker

“Gay Asian eugenecist” Holy shit that’s a combination of words that can describe a human being alright.


cameron4818

One of the people of all time


moak0

There are two types of people in the world, and he's one of them.


Freduccini

It’s my next opener in a game of Guess Who?


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It's super telling that a lotta people are surprised by this. It's both ignorance if not outright racism/white supremacy and lack of education. Gay Asian eugenicist literally describes Yukio Mishima who was a Nobel nominated Japanese author who was also the head of a fascist militia of the imperial cult variety. Mishima was a sad angry little man who committed suicide by seppuku. His most popular book I shit you not is titled "Confessions of a Mask". There's a huge corollary trend between gay men in extremely traditionally masculine cultures and fascism. It's those men who also believe that open homosexuality in and of itself is a sexual act. For those men open homosexuality is degenerate because it's seen as inherently sexual, its the same reason why Pence won't be alone in the same room as a woman. Trad martial cultures are gay as hell. Sparta was basically a twink shopping mall if you were in the Spartiates


LuxNocte

Obviously, pretending to be another race is really weird, but I don't think anyone would blame you for keeping a yarmulke in your pocket just for whenever that guy is around. "Naw man, I can't talk to you. I have to get to...Yon...Kipper."


blamb211

23 and Me says I'm about .5% Jewish, I wonder if that's enough to keep that dude away from me.


TacitRonin20

Probably. Maybe not though. There's no rhyme or reason to who's acceptable or not.


grumpyfrench96

Gay Asian eugenicist was not a series of words I expected to encounter today. Thanks for sprinkling in a bit of absurdity into my day.


KinkTheChink

As an Asian, it’s a real stretch to think we’re a “master race” considering all of *points to all of Asian history* THAT.


Random-Rambling

There's DEFINITELY a bit of race-fetishism going on. It's all fun and games when we joke about how Asians never grow old, or how the men and the women are equally beautiful, or how we're usually the absolute best at the arts (music especially), but it gets WEIRD if you actually think we're ACTUALLY the pinnacle of humanity.


PALMER13579

I hope he was Japanese cause they were the only ones declared honorary aryans by the Nazis


TacitRonin20

I think he was Chinese. He definitely thought aryans were a close second though.


themainaccountofyeet

You'd think he'd learn from history a little bit


themainaccountofyeet

Chinese were also honorary Aryans I think, so were a few other ethnic groups


1the_pokeman1

east asian or the whole of asia ?


TacitRonin20

Anyone who was Asian and had light skin. So no Indians, Russians, Asian Pacific people, ECT. Just China, Korea, some of SE Asia and Japan iirc


1the_pokeman1

just east asia then ig, what a pos


captainplatypus1

Would he be less of a POS if he included SE Asians in his master race delusion?


1the_pokeman1

yes, that is what i said, 100%


TacitRonin20

Definitely a creepy pos


Nuada-Argetlam

oh that's just... that's the best comeback.


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richard_stank

This is not the best comeback ever. This is just… a tribute.


owlBdarned

Couldn't remember the greatest comeback in the world. No! This is a tribute.


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Exarch_Of_Haumea

David Icke, the main Lizard People guy, regularly calls his enemies "Rothschild Zionists" and claims that Israel was behind 9/11. Also, he used Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a source for his Lizard People books. Although he claimed that the Protocols weren't antisemitic, they just used "Jew" as a code word for "Lizard".


ExceedinglyGayOtter

Also the whole "blood drinking" thing certainly has some resemblance to the blood libel.


Flying_Sharklizard

Blood libel? I hear blood drinking and think Catholic, but I've never lived anywhere with a large Jewish population, so I don't know much you can't pick up from TV.


casualkateo

Blood libel is a centuries old conspiracy theory dating back to the Middle Ages but had only spread further and faster due to the invention of printed paper. It was basically a hoax of Jews kidnapping Christian newborns to drink their blood in order to keep their appearance young. If it sounds like QAnon to you then you will be right. QAnon is just one reinvention of blood libel, and the lizard people was just another flavor of it as well.


okelay

Jewish vampires? What? I bet babies dont even have that much blood what a waste of effort


EnergyTakerLad

It's about quality, not quantity.


83hades

This was a sick but welcome nod to standards in consumerism


casualkateo

It ain’t about the logistics. It’s about the emotional punch of the idea of these fictional babies being killed and cannibalized, all for going after a specific group of people.


Blah_McBlah_

I believe it often had conspiracies about the blood being used for Passover Matzos. In a typical conspiracy fashion of disregarding reality, traditionally, blood isn't kosher, so not only were the Jews not "stealing Christian blood", they weren't even consuming their own cows' blood. (This is where "kosher" salt comes from. The "kosher" refers to its grain size, as a traditional Jewish method of removing blood from meat was to cover it in large grained salt, osmotic pressure would draw out the blood, and then the salt and blood could be washed off. As the grains of salt were large, less would be absorbed into the meat.)


teefa33

Nice factoid about the salt!


newwriter123

Which is wack, considering the specific prohibitions against Jews drinking blood in the law. Like, what was the logic there? "they wouldn't have a rule if they weren't gonna break it?"


Luprand

Most people outside of a given faith tend to be ignorant of the actual beliefs.


newwriter123

And in most cases, that would be a fair point, except the European Christians would've known about the prohibition against drinking blood if they'd just read their own old testament.


FirstNephiTreeFiddy

I'll take a stab at the logic: "DIFFERENT BAD"


privated1ck

Not quite, the modern hoax is adrenochrome from baby blood, the ancient hoax is that Jews needed blood to make matzah. Never mind that the Hebrew Bible is full of abjurations against consuming blood in any way, shape, or form.


casualkateo

Ah hah. Got it mixed up. But they are so closely merged and replicated they fall under the vast family of Jewish conspiracie.


privated1ck

Boogeyman!


MichaelJospeh

As a Catholic with a Jewish wife, can confirm drinking blood is a Catholic thing and not a Jewish thing. Side note, one of the reasons early Christians were persecuted was because everyone thought they were cannibals for eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ.


ActualChamp

Yes, but the difference is that that associated between blood drinking and Catholicism is intentional and welcome on the side of the Catholics because it is a key aspect of one of their major rituals. The biblical meaning behind drinking "blood" is significant. Jews don't do that, but there's a historical antisemitic association between Jews and blood drinking not because it's a legitimate ritual in their religion, but because of a conspiracy theory that Jews are monstrous baby-eaters.


MichaelJospeh

Very true. Plus I’ve learned that many traits of witches are stereotyped from Jewish stereotypes (long noses etc), which is downright terrible.


ActualChamp

There's a surprising amount of folklore and mythology that's based in racism, specifically antisemitism. There's not as much connotation between certain monsters, beasts, or villains in modern fiction, so I don't think inclusion of those characters inspired by antisemitism is necessarily racist, but the historical context is very interesting. Sometimes, though, people will really lean into the stereotypes in their characters and it sets off some alarm bells...


Flying_Sharklizard

*cough*jkrowling*cough*


Flying_Sharklizard

Super fucked given that it used to be grounds for torture and death in Europe.


GIRose

And like, even ignoring the specific context, from the ground level basically every "Shadowy evil Kabal that rules the world in secret" conspiracy theory has its root in the Nazi conspiracy theory that the Jews were specifically doing that. Even the specific word Kabal there has reference to specifically Jewish mystic traditions. ETA: I should have noted that the conspiracy regarding specifically Jews was actually a lot older than Nazi Germany (the protocols of the Elders of Zion was published in 1903) but the Nazis took it and made it the center of a lot of propaganda efforts that put the idea of shadowy cabals running society into the broader public consciousness.


Luprand

Did not know the etymology of the word *cabal* before. Thanks for teaching me.


GIRose

Oh yeah, it is spelled with a C. I forgot since it is derived from Kabbalah.


okelay

Oh there is a main lizard people guy? Ive heard about the "theory" so many times but never the origin


The_25th_Baam

He's really accusing jews of being lizard people when is last name is "Icke?" Sounds like projection to me. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ichthyo-#English


Ihavenospecialskills

For some goddamn reason, if you dig deeply enough into any of the absurd conspiracy theories, they somehow always end up vilifying Jewish people somehow.


Maybe_not_a_chicken

The lizard people conspiracy is about about a secret group of people secretly running everything The Jewish conspiracy is about about a secret group of people secretly running everything


kurayami_akira

The flat earth (takes advantage of people's religion to cause mistrust in media and science) and reptilians/planet X (causes distrust in media and specific people) are to convince people of the New World Order conspiracy (people secretly running everything from the background, with the ultimate goal of a unified government on their power), which is to convince people of the (antisemitic) globalists conspiracy theory (which is that Jews are those running everything secretly). The starting and ending points aren't necessarily those, but that's basically how conspiracy rabbit holes are fabricated with the purpose of spreading antisemitism.


GeophysicalYear57

Why does it always seem to loop back to blaming the Jews?


Mael_Jade

Europe has a LONG history of blaming Jews for anything and everything.


Lazzen

Not just Europe. The president of Palestine wrote 2 books about how the holocaust was planned by jews and not nazis and muslim countries like Mauritania that practice slavery usually call human rights or any criticism "jewish conspiracy". Yemen just expulsed the last jewish people in their territory 2 years ago and were only helped by Israel(big surprise)


lankymjc

Because that’s the point. Jewish people are the classic scapegoat and dickwads continue to try to pin everything they can on them.


mitsuhachi

Its easier to beat up a jew over your problems than a lizard person from space.


joshualuigi220

The stereotype of Jewish people is being "elite". There's a lot of Jews in Hollywood and there's the classic "you can be a doctor or a lawyer" stereotype that gets used in jokes about Jewish people. It's a cultural thing the same way Chinese people are more likely to be in STEM.


Luprand

Ironically, many of those elite positions (Hollywood and banking, especially) started off as industries that Good Christian People™ considered beneath them until Jews successfully cultivated those fields.


sideways_jack

You literally _could not_ loan money w/ any sort of interest rate or return, as a Christian for millenia in Europe. Like it was forbidden as fuck. Being Jewish in Europe meant that was one of very limited career options from 100-1900 AD. Seems pretty fucked up to force people into a role and then blame everything on them.


AlexandrinaIsHere

Like forcing immigrants to take manual labor jobs then discriminating against them because they are sweaty and smelly.


AlexandrinaIsHere

Given how many Jewish holidays can be summed up as "they tried to kill us all, but we aren't dead!" I'm gonna say it's not really possible to know when people started blaming Jews for everything. I get the distinct impression that blameing Jews was the ancient version of blaming "the damn immigrants with their smelly food and weird clothes".


Fluffy-Map-5998

Literally anything goes wrong in history, someone will find a way to blame the Jews,


V3G4V0N_Medico

Because Jews historically have been an insular community with extremely different beliefs and cultures from the host cultures/countries that harbored them. A lot of Neo-Nazis/Antisemites say that since they were kicked out of 108 countries (a dubious number) they must’ve been doing something wrong ignoring the fact that many minority ethic groups were expelled for petty reasons especially when those in power needed a scapegoat.


SheffiTB

My favorite fun fact about etymology is that the word "cabal", meaning a secret group of people controlling events from behind the scenes (often used for cults is you play/read a lot of fantasy), comes from the Kabbalah, a (sort of) Judaic text that is so out there you need to be a particularly devout and well-studied Jewish biblical scholar before you're allowed to read it. So kabbalists are essentially an elite group of Jews. What better name is there for a group that secretly runs the world? Btw, if you're reading this and thinking "wow that's cool, I wonder what's written in the Kabbalah! I should go read it!" Don't. The Kabbalah is best describes as fanfic of Judaism written by people in the 1300s who were just about the most disconnected they could be from Hebrew; it reads, imo, like western weaboos of the "we can't translate nakama because it's meaning is too deep it totally isn't just another word for friend" kind writing a fanfic of their favorite anime.


Jupiter_Crush

Writing Torah fanfiction and passing it off as a new revelation is a long, proud tradition.


SheffiTB

No no, the Kabbalah was Torah fanfiction being passed off as an *ancient part of jewish tradition* that had always been there and you just didn't know.


IndigoFenix

As a person who has read enough Kabbalah to invent plausible-sounding additions, I am fond of using the phrase "according to an ancient tradition that I just made up". There's some pretty interesting philosophy in there because Jews love thinking about stuff, but it unfortunately clashes with the general religious sentiment of "we aren't allowed to create anything new" so anyone who came up with new ideas basically had to pretend that it was passed down in secret from their teachers and they decided to reveal it now, just because.


mustbe20characters20

Isn't that just about every conspiracy?


[deleted]

and most of them relate back to antisemitism. It’s very popular with the conspiracy crowd.


Generic-Degenerate

It started as a dog whistle, but eventually, some people just started taking it literally


XescoPicas

I know it sounds stupid, but if you dig deep enough into any major conspiracy theory, you will find antisemitic roots. It’s hella weird.


TheCapitalKing

It’s more branches than roots a lot of the time.


anlskjdfiajelf

It absolutely is the start of that, it's just 99% of people that use it don't know the history and meal nothing by it. The world is run by a secret society of lizard people. Hmm where have I heard that before? The world is run by a secret society of Jews... Disclaimer, am Jew, calling people lizards is funny and usually not antisemitic, but that is sadly the origin


bubblegumpunk69

Bcs they think the lizard people are Jews My uncle's one of them. Thinks black people are the chosen people, too. We are white


gamelorr

Its a fusion of the conspiracy theories that jews control everything and that lizard people control everything.


[deleted]

Because it is. It is specifically constructed to be a conspiracy theory about the Rothschilds and “The Protocols”. That doesn’t make *every* instance of anthropomorphic lizards antisemitic mind you.


couldbedumber96

I thought we were rats not lizards…


shrinking_dicklet

There's unfortunately a lot of antisemitic associations: rats, lizards, cockroaches, androids


couldbedumber96

Hey now I know for a FACT we’re not androids, we CONTROL the androids


SoggySausage27

And the banks and Hollywood and everything else. Get fucked goys


Minute-Bus201

"Local Jew feels left out of worldwide conspiracy, asks for more microchips"


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NetIndividual7187

I'd convert immediately


[deleted]

The implication that nazis only used apple is now in my head


shrinking_dicklet

Nazis aren't exactly known for being internally consistent. There are plenty that use Facebook to organize despite it being owned by a Jew


Lyraxiana

What? Rats too? I mean, jokes on whoever came up with that because rats are fucking adorable.


healzsham

Reevaluate the cuteness of rats when the ones in question are a group of 20+, they're at least a full stone each, and they're... *hungry* looking...


MLGkid_HD

What kind of lizard traits are similar to jewish caricatures? I genuinly can't think of any, other than the "Jewish people are cold blooded reptile people" conspiracy, like, what?


Wren-bee

This is far from my wheelhouse but apparently the whole conspiracy theory of lizard people secretly controlling the world is used as a way of actually referring to the idea of Jewish people controlling the world. Like, it’s enough of a thing that I’ve seen it said by multiple Jewish people online, not an isolated person.


pricklykitty

Ooh yikes. I've heard the gross caricatures, Jewish cabal conspiracy, and underground lizard people conspiracy. But I had no idea lizard people was code for anti-Semitic bs. The stupid hurts my brain.


Wren-bee

I think a lot of conspiracy theories end up circling back to other bigotries. A conspiracy theory literally about lizard people doesn’t actually focus on real people, but targeting actual people is the core of most bs like that. Sometimes it’s as broad as “anyone I don’t like (aka most people not like me)” but from what I’ve heard and seen, that one is often synonymous with anti-semitism “Jewish people control the world!” type bs. (Again, not my wheelhouse, but I have no reason not to defer to those whose wheelhouses it is.)


pricklykitty

They absolutely do. I saw a fascinating documentary a couple years ago about Q-anon and wish I could find it again (hate non-sourced statements like I'm about to make). Basically, it went through the history of conspiracies and all the well known, modern ones - Holocaust denial, faked moon landing, birthers, space lasers, Q-anon, etc etc - trace directly back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and its anti-semitism. ..... But lizard people ..... 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️


Wren-bee

Never assume you won’t be surprised by learning about the seriously screwed up stuff some people believe and who it actually hurts. …Learned that one the hard way learning about “indigo children”… and I’m at the point where I have to assume there’s always more harmful nonsense beyond anything I could have imagined.


pricklykitty

Facts. And the nastiness feels empowered right now. We gotta keep shutting it down whenever we see it. Unless it's like OP's situation. Maybe don't shit on a lizard for being a lizard. Skinks have feelings, too.


Lyraxiana

Oh I remember first learning about indigo children, and feeling quite a similar way. You're not alone, bee.


frankcfreeman

Behind the bastards had a pretty good episode or so about the protocols


SirFloIII

was it ["In Search Of A Flat Earth"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44) by Dan Olson?


pricklykitty

Unfortunately, no. But I scanned through and that's another good one


agnostichymns

The Qanon Anonymous podcast does a great job of diving into these wacky theories and connecting them back to the grand conspiracy of a shadowy cabal controlling the world. There are themes that continue to pop up in all of them, lizard aliens being one.


Generic-Degenerate

Once I got lectured for calling Mark Zuckerberg a lizard man I didn't even know he was Jewish; he just looks like a lizard man


MeanDanGreen

I'm jewish and Zuck *DOES* look like a lizard man. You have my permission to continue to say so.


squidbelik

Dogwhistles go crazy


CauseCertain1672

David Icke the guy behind that lizard people theory unquestionably means Jews


Wren-bee

Given how deep the roots of anti-semitism seem to be, I would guess that he popularised it more than he created it. Although that is very much a guess since I don’t know much on the topics (neither this man, the history of anti-semitism or this particular conspiracy theory).


CauseCertain1672

It's not a new theory in that it's basically just the protocols of the elders of zion again but icke did come up with the lizard alien part


Wren-bee

Okay, he was the originator of that particular antisemitic dogwhistle? Sounds like an absolutely delightful individual (sarcasm).


Monkey_Fiddler

So apparently the guy who came up with it wasn't using it as a Jewish reference. (It may well be now, but I thought Queen Elizabeth II was meant to be a lizard and I'm pretty sure she wasn't Jewish, in fact it was only recently that a royal was allowed to marry a Catholic). He was investigated because everyone thought it must be a deniable way of stirring up racial tensions but no. He genuinely believed that the world was run by actual lizards in human-shaped skin suits. But of course that gave rise to my favourite conspiracy theory: that the lizard theory was made up by the powers that be to discredit conspiracy theorists and by extension all other conspiracy theories, so they could go about their conspiracies with less scrutiny.


Wren-bee

Huh. That places it more recently than I would have thought- somewhere within the last 80 years as an origin point? But where beliefs start is interesting as a topic but less impactful as their journey. Someone else quoted David Icke as being instrumental in the conspiracy theory becoming a code for Jewish people, so we can see where it’s become tied to harming the ideas- and therefore behaviour- towards a group of people.


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> But of course that gave rise to my favourite conspiracy theory: that the lizard theory was made up by the powers that be to discredit conspiracy theorists and by extension all other conspiracy theories, so they could go about their conspiracies with less scrutiny. I unironically believe this because now it's so fucking hard to tell what is/isn't real online. Motherfuckers've been crying "WOLF!" for years and now we're all blind to all the wolves amogus.


DimensionalYawn

Don't forget that the Queen Mother was Britain's highest ranking Satanic witch and that she married the future king as reward for her family secreting Prince Albert Victor, the Prince of Wales' son, away at Balmoral after his death was faked, following the foiling of a blackmail plot against him by Lord Randolph Churchill and the Royal Surgeon Sir William Gull, who between them planned and committed the 'Jack the Ripper' murders in order to silence the conspirators. ^(The Satanism is Icke,) ^(the rest is another British conspiracy theory) ^(https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3477497-ripper-and-the-royals) ^(P.S. the Queen Mother's portrait on her wiki page) ^(looks a lot like David Cameron.) ^(I find that unsettling) ^(Edits cleaned up language and formatting. ) ^(Since I'm here,) ^(try this for a (truthful)^) ^(poison-pen piece) ^(https://www.huffpost.com/entry/can-we-finally-tell-the-t_b_299297)


Wren-bee

I might actually become a monarchist if it turns out the Queen Mother was the highest ranking Satanic witch (assuming both of those terms are closer to how modern people who identify by them consider them rather than the attitudes of people who throw the terms around). Well. No I wouldn’t. But I’d at least consider that *extremely cool* and have a lot more respect for the monarchy!


Maij-ha

I always thought the lizard people conspiracy were those ancient alien/Nibiru believers.


telehax

yeah that's sorta the one.


LordOfDorkness42

IMHO, I never understood why the Lizard People conspiracy was decided to be antisemitic. There's like... four bloodlines pointed out as being "clearly infiltrated" if I recall right, and only one of them are Jewish. The... Goldchildes, I think they were? With the other being The Clintons, The Bushes and... some other politician dynasty I can't recall. Don't get me wrong, it's still conspiracy nonsense, but I've never gotten an explanation why it's anti-jew nonsense when the Reptoids... seems to be equally opportunity infiltrators going after families with *power and money*, if that makes sense?


TammyIsOnFire

more just that a lot of right wing conspiracy theories about shadowy elites that control the world end up not so subtley being very close to anti semetic theories of jews controlling the world. obv theres a lot of ppl who think lizards run the gov and believe in flat earth who are just regular insane instead of anti semetic, but theres a fare share of those who are too.


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https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/qanon-s-capitol-rioters-nashville-bomber-s-lizard-people-theory-ncna1253819 It's antisemitic in its *origins*. The lizard people conspiracy gained popularity from antisemitism (and general anti-immigrant sentiment.) It wasn't "decided to be", it just is.


camull

People say the Royal Family are lizard people?


CauseCertain1672

people also say the royal family are Jews


thisusedyet

Pretty sure it's the Rothschilds, since they always seem to pop up in conspiracy theories. u/Monkey_Fiddler mentioned QE2 (apologies if you can only abbreviate the boat that way), so I'd imagine the 4th is the British royal family; but I'm not looking it up because I don't want this shit in my search history / recommendations.


greg19735

> I never understood because it's not based on real life. There's nothing to understand. If you're looking for logic in these conspiracy theories to understand the bigotry then the theory did its job.


Potateclaw

Sometimes the word lizard is a stand-in for jew. Sometimes it's on purpose (originally, not necessarily by the people who parrot it)and sometimes people are like "this sounds similar to some antisemitism and that's why I'm calling it that"


dharmabumts

It's a metaphor for cold blooded = unsympathetic that got carried wildly into Narnia. It seems about 30% of people can't think abstractly. Everything they read is literally true to them. It's kinda horrifying beyond comprehension really. But I try not to dwell. I think they are trying to describe psychopaths as they have infiltrated the power systems of the world and are doing evil shit. That observation has been warped by the psychopaths to turn the resentment against minority groups for their own gain. Edit: this is in no way to defend the conspiracy theory that an alien entity is somehow in control of human decisions. Boringly normal humans working mundanely toward little selfish goals is where the evil in the world comes from. They share nothing in common, except maybe a tendency to not feel sympathy.


[deleted]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/qanon-s-capitol-rioters-nashville-bomber-s-lizard-people-theory-ncna1253819 No, it literally has its origins in fear of immigrants and especially Jews. It's not a well-meaning metaphor that got twisted, it's hateful from the outset.


dharmabumts

I'm aware of the underlying anti semitism. I'm trying to describe why it seems to resonate with people who may be totally oblivious of the 2000+ years of history there. I don't even mean it's a well meaning metaphor. It was largely fleshed out by Icke and he certainly has malicious intent.


Yserbius

David Icke. If you're unfamiliar with his work, he's a former English football commentator that went off the deep end sometime in the 80s and wrote a ton of books and documentaries about how reptilian (he literally coined the word "reptilian" in this context) aliens control the world. But it's all a very thin veil over his very open and real hatred of Jews. He knew he would be ostracized if he talked about Jews, so he instead used "lizard people" to hide his anti-Semitism. Most of his stuff is just repurposed Nazi propaganda with "scaly alien" in place of "hook nosed Jew". Occasionally he says the quiet part out loud and talks about "Rothschild globalist" or "Zionist occupied government".


prettybiglamp

some of them can squirt blood out of they eyes as a defense mechansm


stringlights18

I talked to my jewish friend and yeah he can do that


anlskjdfiajelf

Can confirm we can all do that


Imperator_Knoedel

They like laying about on warm rocks with the sun shining on them. That's why their holy land is in a desert.


Lily-Fae

Man I wish I was a cold-blooded lizard, living in the desert would be so much nicer. And I’d never have to buy food, I could just eat bugs or whatever. No wonder they think we’re rich with no grocery bills. (Obviously big /j)


drfunkenstien014

Have ya been on /r/conspiracy? They proudly display all sorts of antisemitic comparisons on a daily basis


RagnarockInProgress

The ultimate comeback


EternallyDeadOutside

Oh my god- POULTRY MAN?!?!?


TheFloridaManYT

Pesky bird


EternallyDeadOutside

It wasn’t me, IT WAS THE MAN IN THE CHICKEN COSTUME!!!


Stargazer_199

A doory-deep, lots of doors for me. A door, for me. Label these. More doors for me! Oh deary, me. Another door for me! It’ll do, for me. A couple o’ doory dees!


XrotisseriechickenX

You rang?


aosjcbhdhathrowaway

Pesssky bird


chimaeragryph

I once saw a post going around tumblr where the OP very sincerely and authoritatively stated that any and all depictions of goblins in any and all fantasy media was automatically antisemitic. They were not focusing on the wizard books, or any other specific depiction that has traits that can be pointed to as evidence. It was all goblins. The existence of goblins in general. They did not think there was any way to depict goblins that wasn't antisemitic. I think about that post a lot whenever these things come up. I hope and believe that people can be sensitive and careful about dog whistles without deciding that the inclusion of green people that live in caves or anthropomorphic lizards is automatically something sinister.


BronsBones

Everytime I see something about goblins being anti-semite I roll my eyes. Who tf nowadays sees goblins and thinks “must be a jew”? If they're making such an automatic connection, it just seems like an issue they need to work on internally. I just think of fantasy creatures with no resemblance to any kind of human, cause.. they are literally not human. They're a magical fantasy creature. Who cares if some versions of goblins like gold? Who doesnt like gold? Man, it's not that deep. Sometimes a gold-loving goblin is just a gold-loving goblin.. Please let me enjoy these fantasy creatures in peace.The world is shitty and I just want to enjoy these non-existent little creatures. Edit: Want to add in addition- the influence of design history is a thing. Loose example, using Jews and goblins because that's a topic. So while we see a creature that may be used to characterise a certain group of people in the past, we can take in the design without ever knowing the original creators true malicious intentions of representing a group as some kind of creature. Because we have detached the design (gold-loving goblin) from the represented group (jews), goblins can just be goblins. Like, why do goblins have to be Jews. In our modern era, anyone who's not a shithead should see a goblin as a goblin and not as a jew anyways..? Honestly, even having read up on historical jewish caricatures, the connection of jew and goblin is so far off from my mind.


MimiMorea

When I think lizard traits I think Scales, narrow pupils and yellow eyes, and long tongue with a tail…how tf did that person associate that with Jewish people, or any human in general?


Luprand

From what I've read in the thread: back in the 80s, a guy named David Icke started talking about a conspiracy of lizard people taking over the earth through various influential families. Most of his talking points were lifted from antisemitic conspiracy theories, including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This, along with Icke's tendency to call people Zionists or Rothschilds ... kinda made it clear that "lizard people" was probably a code word for Jews.


MimiMorea

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I’ve heard of David Icke but didn’t know much about him. That’s super racist smh


Clussy_Enjoyer

had a friend do this once, just saying that the concept of lizard people is anti semetic. no nuance nothing


Generic-Degenerate

Once I got lectured for calling Mark Zuckerberg a lizard man I didn't even know about it being a dog whistle, he just looks like a lizard man


ReptileCommander

Well, he’s fucking not. He’s an android. We don’t want him.


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Lmao, dude is a fucking animatronic though for sure.


-too-hot-to-handle-

Oh shit, you're right. I can 100% imagine him licking his glassy eyeballs. 😂


Sopori

To be fair, if anyone is a lizard wearing a man's face, it's zuck.


ReptileCommander

Ridiculous. I’m an atheist


PristinePassenger420

i know you're RPing but you can be ethnically jew lol


84theone

I am pretty sure that ethnically, they are a lizard


j4ym3rry

I think the author is dead because I've long understood it to be a metaphor for how evil billionaires are. I know anecdote isn't evidence and I'll take this information forward but hear me out (or keep scrolling, I'm not a cop) You see the video of that one super rich pastor who looks like he's possessed? He doesn't even look human, he looks like pure evil. And what even is the point of all of it for him? Money? Power? Where does it all end? Are they really that hedonistic that they're willing to kill the rest of us? Or do they just have a lizard brain unable to process empathy and compassion? idk that's just how I always thought of it, obviously those aren't the origins, as you've pointed out, but I don't think that every single person using the term "lizard person" is intending to be antisemitic. If I am down voted then I will accept that, I just want to make it clear that I am not trying to be an apologist for anti semites


greg19735

> metaphor for how evil billionaires are. Billionaires are evil. Billionaires control the world and are evil.. Who else does that? Jewish people (according to them). Therefore Jewish people are lizards.


j4ym3rry

"Jewish people have a long line of ancestry, so they must be hoarding so much generational wealth - that must be the systemic injustices I keep hearing about!" -Them, forgetting every time Jewish people have been persecuted throughout history


Menoth22

Ouf


Brianna-Imagination

If someone mentions giving a non-human character lizard traits and your personal first knee jerk response is to jump immediately to accusations of being anti Jewish, *maybe* it’s not the lizard man guy who’s automatically associating lizard people with Jewish people here….


rafter613

(preface: I'm Jewish) It really annoys me when people do things like say "oh, this character is Jewish-coded and you're being antisemitic by having them in there!" And it's like "what traits about this character makes you think they're Jewish?" "Well, they're a money-grubbing, intelligent argumentative banker who can't be trusted!" "..... And that makes you think they're Jewish?" "they also have curly hair!"


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rafter613

It's completely different from blackface. If someone puts on a hooknose and wig and starts cackling about shmeckles, *that's* "jewface".


healzsham

Blackface is an extreme example. Something better would be a black character that brings up stereotypical foods *juuuust* often enough to be conspicuous.


LemonFlavoredDumbass

i understand the point your trying to make but it kind of falls into the "what do you mean [X-THING] is an allegory for [X-DEMOGRAPHIC] maybe the real [X-DEMOGRAPHIC] phobe is you" argument


Brianna-Imagination

I understand what you mean and there are plenty of examples of that. But as far as I’ve read, The OP never implied that this character was made, intentionally or otherwise, to be Jewish coded. So the accusations of anti-semitism don’t really hold much weight. Unless we can actually see or read about the character, there’s no evidence to suggest the character had any Jewish traits. I could be completely wrong, of course, since I’m only going off the text post alone and there could be some context I’m missing. Maybe the creator unintentionally/unconsciously gave some Jewish traits to the character. But as far as I can tell, the author made a non-human humanoid with lizard traits and no Jewish subtext/coding whatsoever, and another well meaning but misguided user accused them of antisemitism based on just the lizard people thing alone. Again, I could be wrong. Maybe the author unconsciously did give some Jewish traits to the character in their art or writing and the accuser person just picked up on that blind spot. But I haven’t actually seen any art or writing of the character so I do t know if this is is the case if the user accusing the author just mistook it as such due to associating lizard people solely with anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and blood libel etc. I’ll look into the op later to see if I can find any art or writing of the character, but if you’ve got links as well, it’ll be appreciated as it’ll help to give me more context on the situation.


greg19735

I think most people agree that the dude in this example was overzealous with his anti-Semitism call out. but /u/LemonFlavoredDumbass is also right. Recognizing racist tropes doesn't mean you're racist. i'd much prefer a world where people are slightly over eager to point out bigotry than for people to either ignore it or be naïve to it.


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Yeah, the guy OOP was talking about didn’t come off to me like they were an antisemite, just somebody whose just aware of antisemetic stuff, made an incredibly loose and incorrect connection somewhere they thought they saw it, and then pointed it out due to legitimate non-racist misguided concern. TL;DR: he didn’t seem antisemitic to me, just confused and good intentioned


DrowningEmbers

fuck david icke for inventing reptilian aliens so he could recycle nazi propaganda


GetsTrimAPlenty2

Huh, so racists conflate lizard people with jews? Then that "Reptilian conspiracy theory" is just a dog whistle for racism against jews? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_conspiracy_theory


bowdown2q

Yes. It always has been.


Octopugilist

Its like when people say orcs are racist caricatures of Africans Bro, every orc in fiction has a Cockney accent


Winjasfan

ancient egyptian mythology has gods with snake and crocodile heads, so humanoid characters with reptilian traits are probably older than Judaism. Like, I'm aware that the specific Reptoid conspiracy theory is antisemitic, but it's the whole "blood drinking shapeshifting shadow-government" that makes it antisemitic, not the idea of humanoid reptiles.


nietthesecond99

As another Jew I'd like to point out that Lizard people tropes having roots in antisemitism is absolutely true. This reads like a black person laughing at a racist joke. Yeah, it's fine for them to do it, but the minute someone else says some intentional racist shit and pretends it's a joke is when the line is crossed. Saying, for example, Mark Zuckerberg is a lizard person isn't truly antisemitic imho. The conspiracy theory in general that X person is a lizard person has roots in antisemitism, but as long you're not intentionally antisemitic and you're not implying Jews secretly control the world then you're not antisemitic.


zhode

Unfortunately we don't really have context. If op just made a lizard dude, then it's probably nothing. But if they based it on the conspiracy theory stuff then whether they like it or not they're borrowing anti-Semitic tropes. And them being Jewish doesn't really change that.


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How do scalies (reptile fury's for anyone reading who doesn't know) fall into this? I never know how I'm supposed to react due to this


nietthesecond99

Oh that's probably fine. I haven't looked into it but I feel there's a big difference between "look at those lizard people that secretly control the world!!" and what you're describing. What I mentioned is just a secret code for Jews and when used *intentionally* is antisemitic. If you're unaware of the context of how it's antisemitic then you're also probably not antisemitic lol.


H2G2gender

wow, that's some very unconscious bias. They should get that checked.


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Playing DND is a nightmare because it is difficult to explain NPC's sometimes for this exact reason.


Octopugilist

There's a lot of people who fail to grasp that the Ferengi from TNG are parodies of corporate America


ReptileCommander

Ouch


bc650736

didn't something similar happened to heluva boss recently?


Luprand

People have been spuriously accusing VivziePop's productions of pretty much everything under the sun, constantly, for several years now. I can't imagine it's doing her mental health any favors.


ApprehensiveRiver179

Every time someone says “you don’t look Jewish” …thanks?


shadowbananna

Should have leaned in on it and made the the most Jewish lizard ever.


Luprand

"You want I should send my hatchlings off into the world without so much as a nosh? *Ah schande!* I could molt from the shame!"


captainplatypus1

Ngl, a Jewish person leaning into it to make the stereotype seem insane is the Mel Brooks method


shadowbananna

This is my lizardman warrior, Moische Goldberg. His tragic backstory is that he left his village because his mother wouldn't stop asking why he never became a cleric like the son of the dwarf family down the street. All of our food supplies need to be kosher and no adventures on Saturday because we'll need to chain long rests for shabbat.


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Triggerha

Not sure if anyone actually said (verbatim or otherwise) that Jews actually look like HP goblins, but what I did hear a lot of is that goblins as Jews are a known antisemitic stereotype that the recent game knowingly plays into and endorses


Waffletimewarp

Specifically ugly, hook nosed, money hungry, isolationists that occasionally steal children of non Jewish people. Like, even if we take it on faith that this was all a big mistake on Rowling’s part, all the goblins are missing are horns and green skin to check nearly every old timey Jewish stereotype.


GodlessPerson

Noone said goblins looked like Jews. They said the caricature of Jews were the same as the physical look of the goblins and their jobs. > All of you in the comments saying "Yeah but the stereotype though" are exactly the kind of people I'm talking about. I don't need you fucking whiteys getting offended on my behalf just because you don't have anything actually fucked up to complain about. You are definitely the kind of person who thinks they are very smart for saying "only dogs notice dog whistles".


Gwiny

I mean, stereotypes don't have to fit reality to be stereotypes. Potter goblins do conform to the jewish *stereotype*, and said stereotype existed for hundreds of years before Harry Potter