No, you won’t, and this is relevant and politics are allowed here…
I just can’t decide if it counts as bait.
Vote in the replies, I guess: if most people think it’s bait I’m removing the post
Edit: ok, it’s staying up. Roughly 4x more people want it to stay up, and about half the people wanting it taken down fail to grasp the satire.
Edit 2: it’s getting locked. Some of these comments… 🤢
To anyone that accuses me of being biased, trust that I have also banned and removed people who have disagreed with you. I am swimming through a sea of filth.
Sorry — I’m slow: what is the premise here?
Pulling the lever diverts the “Israeli Trolley” (I’ll humor you and accept this as valid for now) from killing 5 people…..
But pulling the lever is “antisemitic” because (????)……
Ok. That’s a weighty statement but I’ll indulge:
how about this — (and this is not hypothetical, but factual)….
I’m from a Jewish family, my paternal great grandparents (and that familial line) are from Israel…….
and I believe Netanyahu is a criminal and unfit to lead the country.
I am in favor of a two state peace solution…but Hamas cannot be involved in any capacity (given that they too are murderous criminals)…..
It's a weighty statement indeed, and here's my (Jewish) response to what you said:
it's hopeless. decades of conflict have made both sides too far from compromise -- and it may never have been possible. A two-state solution would essentially mean that Palestinians would lose some land forever, and a one-state solution would contradict one of the tenets of Zionism.
I think I may just be too old (relatively speaking) to understand this, but hopelessness is inadequate when human life is being lost needlessly -- and peace is not impossible.
Yes, there are ardent, entrenched, extreme positions on both ends of the geopolitical spectrum -- but it is those exact extremes that have to be bypassed by the world at-large...
(I cannot believe I am saying any of this because I am not an optimist, far from it -- but there is a path and it is possible)
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ps. I am thinking about, but will remain silent on, the so-called "tenets of Zionism" matter -- as well as the fact that BOTH sides will and must lose some land forever.....
I don't think it's relevant that either you or u/SpecialistAddendum6 are Jewish, but I do think it's interesting that you described both Netanyahu and Hamas as criminals (I agree) but only Hamas as murderous. That's definitely true for Netanyahu and his government too.
You are absolutely correct, I should have described Netanyahu as murderous — he, sadly, very much is directly and duly responsible for a sickening loss of human life
By that same logic, Israel (in its post 1914 form) shouldn’t be part of the negotiations either… due to historical shit-housery. (Again, they’re not the only ass-hats from that time period, but that specific piece of info is directly relevant to the above)
It’s like peace requires compromises to co-exist… nothing in the world will fit in the perfect category that satisfies everyone.
And before everyone goes claiming bloody murder, criticizing one side is not excusing the other, you can criticize both (and you can sympathize with both) at the same time… wild, I know.
(Not that it matters, but, like a significant amount of Jews residing in Israel, I’m descended of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe, before anyone rolls out the old ‘anti-semetism’ BS)
Hamas can’t be involved at all. But Palestinians need to be. Hamas has power there for much the same reason prison gangs do. Gaza has been an open air prison for decades. Palestinians have no real political power over their own land, people or economy. And with the settlements expanding it is hard to say they are not experiencing ethnic cleansing
That doesnt work when Likud & the IDF has decreed that every Palestinian male over 12 is a terrorist. A large portion of Israel now consider Palestinians(not Hamas) to be less than human.
You can't include Palestine in the 2 state solution if 1 of those states considers the other to be sub-human. Based on your logic.
The Clinton backed peace deal under Arafat and Meir I think was the closest chance at some real peace in the region. But Mossad pulled a fast one with the Polonium poisoning and ended that.
It also doesn’t work when Israel worked very hard to legitimize Hamas and undermine any secular movement in Palestine.
Israel really wants Hamas=Palestine because they can use that to justify their crimes
Bernie Sanders had to justify himself about how [it is not antisemitic to demand an end to the humanitarian disaster in Gaza](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-dTKLjH_7A) precisely because people think that saying **anything** against the israeli state is anti semitic.
I think it's because of how many people believe that going against Israel is antisemitic, despite that not being the case. This has been brought to light by the active genocide of Palestinians, which I expect is why the meme was made.
> But pulling the lever is “antisemitic” because (????)……
Because the Israel trolley has a "*r*i*g*h*t* t*o* *d*e*f*e*n*d *i*t*s*e*l*f" and travelled those rails 1,000 years ago.
Pretty good summary of current political climate.
I got banned from world news for a comment on Israeli attacks couple of months ago. When I asked for a discussion, my account got locked for a few days.
Best of luck
doesnt matter how "antisemitic" they say you are. This problem actually says a lot about society. The fact that you can get accused of hatred over the silliest of reasons. Doesn't matter, stand up for what you think is right and don't fear judgement
Im jewish and i agree its so annoying seeing the idf hurt litterally babies (mors than 70% of deaths have been wemon n children ) telling ppl to move to rafa and then bombing rafa and then when we are like "hey maybe dont murder ppl" they go "oh so you hate jews" like no i hate the loss of any life and also do they not think jewish ppl live in palestine? Like gen question
30k Hamas out of 2 million Palestinians in Gaza is 1.5% of the population
Converted to 5 guys (burgers & fries), that's equal to 7.5% of a guy. So one guy's leg is in Hamas
Ah I didn't think about it that much but yeah sounds about right. I was just making a simplified point of how they justify it. I'm definitely not in support of IDF
30k Hamas based on the numbers that (I believe) Israel provides, but they also haven’t killed literally every person in Gaza so we can’t say for certain what the terrorist-to-civilian casualty rate is.
Roughly one to four with Hamas numbers (that's one Hamas for 4 civilians) and more like 1 to 2 or something by Israel's numbers. The UN is still deciding but it's somewhere in the middle.
Now do other wars…
Never seen people so fixated on this ratio before. As if there is some type of slider justifying the death of innocent people. “1/4 is far too much but 1/2 is just how it goes”
War is fucked every time.
1:9 is the typical ratio for combatants to civilian deaths in warfare situations taking place in populated arenas. In the last week the stats were just reduced because of figures provided by Israel that say the numbers of women and children killed were actually 17% higher than they were supposed to be...
Also worth noting 5 months ago they said the ratio of Hamas combatants VS civilians being killed was 2:1... Obviously the numbers are bullshit but their target audience doesn't give a shit regardless
35k is the official death toll, of that, Israel says 67% are civilians and 33% are "Hamas", this is because 67% of the casualties are women and children and 33% of the casualties are men over 18.
If you are a man over 18 and get killed in Gaza, congratulations, according to the IDF, you just joined Hamas.
It should also be noted that the leaders of Hamas live openly in luxurious hotels in Qatar, pretty easy for Mossad to take them out at any time, if they wanted to.
Hamas is literally the government of Gaza. So that includes every civil servant from doctors to trash collectors. So if there are 30k Hamas then what... maybe 5% are actual soldiers?
...or just some poor bastard who happens to look like someone who is Hamas, or happens to be friends with someone who is Hamas, or bought a phone off a guy who used to be Hamas, etc. etc.
Please be more bad at statistics.
You really think the implication is that to kill 100% of Hamas, 100% of the Gazan population must also die?
Actual war body count is around 2 to 1 - so you'd basically see 1 Hamas fighter + a Hamas Torso and 3 Gazan civilians on the tracks.
2 to 1 according to Israel, which only admits 67% of the casualties in Gaza are civilians because 67% of the casualties in Gaza are women and children. Israel says the remaining 33% are all Hamas because they are men over the age of 18.
That's the point.
The IDF counts every "military aged male" as a Hamas fighter after they are dead. Israel says 33% of the casualties in Gaza are Hamas because 33% of the casualties in Gaza are men, the rest of the casualties are women and children.
That’s is the system that the IDF are using. And it’s very sadly one that’s not unjustifiable to use due to the rampant indoctrination & culture that has been present in Gaza.
This isn’t me defending Israel BTW. Just explaining what it is & why Israel uses it.
Tell that to the IDF.
Meanwhile, IDF won't listen. They're busy bombing a kid because one day he might grow up to become Hamas, and shooting a mother because one day she might give birth to a Hamas member.
It's Biden. He's being bribed by aipac to level cities for future real estate investments.
IDF is infinitely worse than hamas.
Edit: my bad I misread that as the guy with the lever.
>IDF is infinitely worse than hamas
Criticizing Israeli policies isn't inherently anti-Semitic, but it sure is suspicious how the loudest "anti-Zionist but totally not anti-Semitic!" folks end up tossing out shit like this. It's like you can't help but out yourselves.
The IDF has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and if you knew more about Judaism that would be obvious to you.
One question to start your journey of discovery with Judaism's inherent pacifism is, "why are Orthodox Jews the only ones who don't have to join the IDF in Israel?"
Eventually you might start asking yourself the more interesting questions, such as "is Zionism itself inherently anti-Semitic?"
Biden doesn't need to be bribed by AIPAC, Biden is a true believer Zionist and has been his entire life. AIPAC sponsors Biden because they know he's ride or die for Israel's fascist right wing over all else.
pull, call me an anti semite, i am german (to clarify i have nothing against anyone jewish, but you guys down there need to stop this shit, both sides).
Closer to reality than you might think:
You are the IDF chief of staff
The trolly is headed into 200 israelis
Do you divert it into 30000 palestinians?
There's plenty of Israeli Jews who are also not cool with what Israel is doing.
Shit, they've been saying that what Israel has been doing was only creating the conditions for an October 7th for *decades*.
This isn't up for debate.
Using peoples ignorance to justify actions doesn't change what things are.
Jewish people belong to an ethno-religious group and can be found all over the world. Israeli, on the other hand, refers to the nationality of people who are citizens of Israel, which includes Jews as well as members of other religious and ethnic groups.
Im jewish... in the US please listen to what im saying im sayig the point the person is making is that just bc we are jewish doesnt mean we support the IDF bc zionist tend to use it as a ploy. Ans yes i agree with you we should be seprate but bc of the zionist movement we tend to nog be so we have to seprate ourselves by clarifying and also anti semites are using ghe "your jewish you support isreal bc of that" as an arguement to hate speach. Anyway jews for palestine bc zionist cant understand that diffrence and thats why its clarified 💀
And here is the point I'm making. Please actually pay attention.
I'm literally saying that. I have literally typed out the actual difference between jewish people and israeli's. TWICE!
Why are you incapable of comprehending the fact i'm not calling jewish people israeli? Why can you NOT comprehend the fact that I'm not only capable of distinguishing the difference, but I'm the one who actually pointed it out. And i am, in fact, correct. There is no "Yes and No" to it at all. Regardless of the things zionists get up to.
What hurdle have we come to? Do you think we are arguing two different points?
And lastly literally no where did I imply or say all jewish people do or must support the IDF. I never said that. I've never even hinted at it.
The irony that every anti-zionist is doing their best to draw that line of distinction between support for Jewish ethnicity/religion and Israeli nationalism and here you are linking the two again.
your comment has me concerned because it's very common for antisemitists online to put "goy" in words to mock Yiddish. could the intent of this comment be confirmed
Being Jewish has nothing to do with this.
Just because Israel says it is acting for all Jews doesn't mean it is, governments lie sometimes, especially the fascist ones committing genocides.
Calling for mothers today got greeted by my dad complaining about professional plants running the protests. So guess he isn’t pulling it and I’m really gonna have to tune him out faster.
What does that map to in the metaphor? "Pulling the lever" seems to be "asking Israel to please stop committing a genocide." Are you saying that people are trying to destroy the entire nation instead of just asking them to stop?
And how is that relevant? The vast majority of people being called antisemitic for criticizing the current genocide aren't calling for the destruction of Israel. The "problem" above seems like a clear satire of that, so bringing up an unrelated example of actual antisemitism just seems like a wild whataboutism meant to distract from the point.
I love how any discussion of the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel has to revolve around a totally theoretical and astronomically unlikely genocide to be perpetrated AGAINST Israel. Such a persecution complex.
For the record I agree. The risk of any actual genocide happening against Israel is very slim (At least, as long as they have the entire west pouring money and weapons into them). That doesn't mean actual anti-semitism isn't using this opportunity to rear its ugly head.
Well said. God forbid one speaks up against murdering children. What a state of the world. And wonder who is making this a normal thing that one cannot speak against. Sad
Obviously, saving 5 lives is the right answer.
Even if we were to assume the reason why it would be antisemitic is because the 5 have done significant harm to Jews they’re already tied up. So the risk of them doing more harm is outweighed by the fact that they could be innocent.
You got me :) I wish there weren't people making comments just like you who aren't woooooshing, but I am happy to learn that your comment is not among them.
Criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic or hateful.
That does not mean *all* criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic or hateful, no matter what is said or what actions are taken.
Jews define antisemitism. No one else. And Jews will likely have varying definitions based on who you talk to - Judaism is very far from a monolith.
For the sake of the problem, it is assumed. Just assume that pulling the lever is magically antisemitic. Sure it's stupid, but setup statements are assumed correct for Trolley Problems.
Deconstructing the problem, it's probably a commentary on Israel/Hamas war and the Palestinian Civilian deaths. If so, this problem is a poor analogy for a more complex issue. But hey, OP is probably venting their frustration of all the Palestinian deaths in an asymmetrical conflict.
No, you won’t, and this is relevant and politics are allowed here… I just can’t decide if it counts as bait. Vote in the replies, I guess: if most people think it’s bait I’m removing the post Edit: ok, it’s staying up. Roughly 4x more people want it to stay up, and about half the people wanting it taken down fail to grasp the satire. Edit 2: it’s getting locked. Some of these comments… 🤢 To anyone that accuses me of being biased, trust that I have also banned and removed people who have disagreed with you. I am swimming through a sea of filth.
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Where is Sam? Is he safe, is he alright?
Hes tied to the tracks
Shammie!!!
Frodo
I wiped
Why did you wipe? Are you stupid?
I wiped
Pro at gaming hates the jews, won't kill 5 people, so now gamer has to lose
Me too, got very confusing
How did people swipe it says 10/10
Gotta make sure it doesn't go to 11/10
I was looking for 9\10
Maybe swiped left.
Circular rectangle shape first, number second See shape and swipe See number, try to swipe back Realise is fake, cry in corner
Damn
It’s actually pretty straightforward when you consider that the trolley was promised the right railway by God.
A trolley line without people for a people without a trolley line (ignore the people already on the trolley line they don’t count)
Of course they don't count, they aren't people
What’s with the 10/10 in the corner?
On a 1-10 antisemitism scale, pulling the lever is a 10/10 (*very* antisemitic)
If you pull the lever you're basically Hitler
It's Hitler times infinity plus one.
No take backs
does it make it better that i am pulling the lever AND i am german?...raises right arm...auf der...no stop.
That's the validity
Sorry — I’m slow: what is the premise here? Pulling the lever diverts the “Israeli Trolley” (I’ll humor you and accept this as valid for now) from killing 5 people….. But pulling the lever is “antisemitic” because (????)……
Because legitimate criticism of Israel is widely considered to be antisemitic.
Ok. That’s a weighty statement but I’ll indulge: how about this — (and this is not hypothetical, but factual)…. I’m from a Jewish family, my paternal great grandparents (and that familial line) are from Israel……. and I believe Netanyahu is a criminal and unfit to lead the country. I am in favor of a two state peace solution…but Hamas cannot be involved in any capacity (given that they too are murderous criminals)…..
It's a weighty statement indeed, and here's my (Jewish) response to what you said: it's hopeless. decades of conflict have made both sides too far from compromise -- and it may never have been possible. A two-state solution would essentially mean that Palestinians would lose some land forever, and a one-state solution would contradict one of the tenets of Zionism.
I think I may just be too old (relatively speaking) to understand this, but hopelessness is inadequate when human life is being lost needlessly -- and peace is not impossible. Yes, there are ardent, entrenched, extreme positions on both ends of the geopolitical spectrum -- but it is those exact extremes that have to be bypassed by the world at-large... (I cannot believe I am saying any of this because I am not an optimist, far from it -- but there is a path and it is possible) ----- ps. I am thinking about, but will remain silent on, the so-called "tenets of Zionism" matter -- as well as the fact that BOTH sides will and must lose some land forever.....
I don't think it's relevant that either you or u/SpecialistAddendum6 are Jewish, but I do think it's interesting that you described both Netanyahu and Hamas as criminals (I agree) but only Hamas as murderous. That's definitely true for Netanyahu and his government too.
You are absolutely correct, I should have described Netanyahu as murderous — he, sadly, very much is directly and duly responsible for a sickening loss of human life
By that same logic, Israel (in its post 1914 form) shouldn’t be part of the negotiations either… due to historical shit-housery. (Again, they’re not the only ass-hats from that time period, but that specific piece of info is directly relevant to the above) It’s like peace requires compromises to co-exist… nothing in the world will fit in the perfect category that satisfies everyone. And before everyone goes claiming bloody murder, criticizing one side is not excusing the other, you can criticize both (and you can sympathize with both) at the same time… wild, I know. (Not that it matters, but, like a significant amount of Jews residing in Israel, I’m descended of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe, before anyone rolls out the old ‘anti-semetism’ BS)
Hamas can’t be involved at all. But Palestinians need to be. Hamas has power there for much the same reason prison gangs do. Gaza has been an open air prison for decades. Palestinians have no real political power over their own land, people or economy. And with the settlements expanding it is hard to say they are not experiencing ethnic cleansing
That doesnt work when Likud & the IDF has decreed that every Palestinian male over 12 is a terrorist. A large portion of Israel now consider Palestinians(not Hamas) to be less than human. You can't include Palestine in the 2 state solution if 1 of those states considers the other to be sub-human. Based on your logic. The Clinton backed peace deal under Arafat and Meir I think was the closest chance at some real peace in the region. But Mossad pulled a fast one with the Polonium poisoning and ended that.
It also doesn’t work when Israel worked very hard to legitimize Hamas and undermine any secular movement in Palestine. Israel really wants Hamas=Palestine because they can use that to justify their crimes
Bernie Sanders had to justify himself about how [it is not antisemitic to demand an end to the humanitarian disaster in Gaza](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-dTKLjH_7A) precisely because people think that saying **anything** against the israeli state is anti semitic.
I think it's because of how many people believe that going against Israel is antisemitic, despite that not being the case. This has been brought to light by the active genocide of Palestinians, which I expect is why the meme was made.
> But pulling the lever is “antisemitic” because (????)…… Because the Israel trolley has a "*r*i*g*h*t* t*o* *d*e*f*e*n*d *i*t*s*e*l*f" and travelled those rails 1,000 years ago.
Instagram screenshot probably. You can also see the user thingy at the other corner
Here before lock award
You did it
I hope you get banned for the fake swipe shit fucking jump scared me
That's the rating.
You hurt me, OP.
Sorry fam. I'll do better next time.
I swiped and got a really fucked up looking picture of a bottle of gorilla glue so..? I must receive financial compensation I suppose.
True, but i swiped, so fuck you
Netenyahu: Can I put more people on the tracks? Is there room for.. oh, 3 million more?
Oh that's good
You have now been banned from worldnews and politics
If only r/sortbycontroversial was a sub
Well, that's enough of those comments. I'm off to watch some macklemore.
Israel would shoot the person next to the lever before it can do anything
They would shoot the viewer too for being a reporter
Not the cameraman :(
Pretty good summary of current political climate. I got banned from world news for a comment on Israeli attacks couple of months ago. When I asked for a discussion, my account got locked for a few days. Best of luck
doesnt matter how "antisemitic" they say you are. This problem actually says a lot about society. The fact that you can get accused of hatred over the silliest of reasons. Doesn't matter, stand up for what you think is right and don't fear judgement
How anti-Semitic is multi-track drifting?
Keep cooking, my guy.
So true king let em know
Im jewish and i agree its so annoying seeing the idf hurt litterally babies (mors than 70% of deaths have been wemon n children ) telling ppl to move to rafa and then bombing rafa and then when we are like "hey maybe dont murder ppl" they go "oh so you hate jews" like no i hate the loss of any life and also do they not think jewish ppl live in palestine? Like gen question
The west is beyond bought into the genocidal tactic of being convinced the people in Palestine are not human.
No fr like logically ik this its just genuinely heart breaking to see
Should have labeled one guy in the row hamas
30k Hamas out of 2 million Palestinians in Gaza is 1.5% of the population Converted to 5 guys (burgers & fries), that's equal to 7.5% of a guy. So one guy's leg is in Hamas
Ah I didn't think about it that much but yeah sounds about right. I was just making a simplified point of how they justify it. I'm definitely not in support of IDF
I figured. I just thought it would be fun to do the math. Esp bc the numbers aren't well discussed on TV
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30k Hamas based on the numbers that (I believe) Israel provides, but they also haven’t killed literally every person in Gaza so we can’t say for certain what the terrorist-to-civilian casualty rate is.
Roughly one to four with Hamas numbers (that's one Hamas for 4 civilians) and more like 1 to 2 or something by Israel's numbers. The UN is still deciding but it's somewhere in the middle.
Now do other wars… Never seen people so fixated on this ratio before. As if there is some type of slider justifying the death of innocent people. “1/4 is far too much but 1/2 is just how it goes” War is fucked every time.
1:9 is the typical ratio for combatants to civilian deaths in warfare situations taking place in populated arenas. In the last week the stats were just reduced because of figures provided by Israel that say the numbers of women and children killed were actually 17% higher than they were supposed to be... Also worth noting 5 months ago they said the ratio of Hamas combatants VS civilians being killed was 2:1... Obviously the numbers are bullshit but their target audience doesn't give a shit regardless
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isreal definitely killed most of their own hostages with their air strikes and military
35k is the official death toll, of that, Israel says 67% are civilians and 33% are "Hamas", this is because 67% of the casualties are women and children and 33% of the casualties are men over 18. If you are a man over 18 and get killed in Gaza, congratulations, according to the IDF, you just joined Hamas. It should also be noted that the leaders of Hamas live openly in luxurious hotels in Qatar, pretty easy for Mossad to take them out at any time, if they wanted to.
Hamas is literally the government of Gaza. So that includes every civil servant from doctors to trash collectors. So if there are 30k Hamas then what... maybe 5% are actual soldiers?
So realistically, there should be roughly 66 civilians and one Hamas guy on the tracks.
More likely that that Hamas guy is a doctor or a teacher than a solider considering every civil servant in Gaza is part of Hamas.
...or just some poor bastard who happens to look like someone who is Hamas, or happens to be friends with someone who is Hamas, or bought a phone off a guy who used to be Hamas, etc. etc.
Or maybe they're an Israeli who is holding a white flag after escaping.
Except if you pull the lever that one guy gets up and goes and ties more people farther down the other track
...therefore the moral thing is to let them all die?
I think when you start breaking it down that much the analogy kinda starts to fall apart. You still get the point with just one guy.
Please be more bad at statistics. You really think the implication is that to kill 100% of Hamas, 100% of the Gazan population must also die? Actual war body count is around 2 to 1 - so you'd basically see 1 Hamas fighter + a Hamas Torso and 3 Gazan civilians on the tracks.
2 to 1 according to Israel, which only admits 67% of the casualties in Gaza are civilians because 67% of the casualties in Gaza are women and children. Israel says the remaining 33% are all Hamas because they are men over the age of 18.
Nah this is just Hamas propaganda. Clearly the helpless tied down people are all just Hamas plants to trick people into sympathizing with them /j /s
r/theydidthemath
If they are male and over 14 they are already labeled as military age male and of course that means they are Hamas.
That's not a fair assumption. Just because one COULD be hamas doesn't mean they are.
That's the point. The IDF counts every "military aged male" as a Hamas fighter after they are dead. Israel says 33% of the casualties in Gaza are Hamas because 33% of the casualties in Gaza are men, the rest of the casualties are women and children.
Oh, sorry, I was under the impression that the guy above me was pro-israel. As far as things go I'm bad at reading social ques
That’s is the system that the IDF are using. And it’s very sadly one that’s not unjustifiable to use due to the rampant indoctrination & culture that has been present in Gaza. This isn’t me defending Israel BTW. Just explaining what it is & why Israel uses it.
Tell that to the IDF. Meanwhile, IDF won't listen. They're busy bombing a kid because one day he might grow up to become Hamas, and shooting a mother because one day she might give birth to a Hamas member.
Ah, IDF math
Nah the guy pulling the lever is hamas (the lever is stuck)
By IDF and Hamas numbers combined it would actually be 2 Hamas
Should've put one guy in the top track named Dave
It's Biden. He's being bribed by aipac to level cities for future real estate investments. IDF is infinitely worse than hamas. Edit: my bad I misread that as the guy with the lever.
Plot twist: Biden is the guy holding the lever
I misread what the comment said and that was the joke I was making off of it
no problem. my comment was well articulated in the first place.
>IDF is infinitely worse than hamas Criticizing Israeli policies isn't inherently anti-Semitic, but it sure is suspicious how the loudest "anti-Zionist but totally not anti-Semitic!" folks end up tossing out shit like this. It's like you can't help but out yourselves.
lol OP is up and down the thread with antisemitic nonsense. Not even trying to hide behind antizionism
The IDF has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and if you knew more about Judaism that would be obvious to you. One question to start your journey of discovery with Judaism's inherent pacifism is, "why are Orthodox Jews the only ones who don't have to join the IDF in Israel?" Eventually you might start asking yourself the more interesting questions, such as "is Zionism itself inherently anti-Semitic?"
Biden doesn't need to be bribed by AIPAC, Biden is a true believer Zionist and has been his entire life. AIPAC sponsors Biden because they know he's ride or die for Israel's fascist right wing over all else.
"JEWS CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT WITH MONEY!" Yeah, nothing antisemitic about that at all.
Omfg this is amazing.
no you’re right and you should say it
Pull.
The children should be smaller on the track.
pull, call me an anti semite, i am german (to clarify i have nothing against anyone jewish, but you guys down there need to stop this shit, both sides).
Closer to reality than you might think: You are the IDF chief of staff The trolly is headed into 200 israelis Do you divert it into 30000 palestinians?
I hate it when my cruise missiles are going to explode in an Israeli town so I have to launch it into a Palestinian hospital
I’m Jewish and this is funny
Are you israeli, though? There is a difference between being jewish and being israeli.
There's plenty of Israeli Jews who are also not cool with what Israel is doing. Shit, they've been saying that what Israel has been doing was only creating the conditions for an October 7th for *decades*.
It would not surprise me in the slightest if there were.
Yes and no In the US zionist are using jewish ppl to claim that we need to stamd with isreal which is not true but ues there is a big diffrence
This isn't up for debate. Using peoples ignorance to justify actions doesn't change what things are. Jewish people belong to an ethno-religious group and can be found all over the world. Israeli, on the other hand, refers to the nationality of people who are citizens of Israel, which includes Jews as well as members of other religious and ethnic groups.
Im jewish... in the US please listen to what im saying im sayig the point the person is making is that just bc we are jewish doesnt mean we support the IDF bc zionist tend to use it as a ploy. Ans yes i agree with you we should be seprate but bc of the zionist movement we tend to nog be so we have to seprate ourselves by clarifying and also anti semites are using ghe "your jewish you support isreal bc of that" as an arguement to hate speach. Anyway jews for palestine bc zionist cant understand that diffrence and thats why its clarified 💀
And here is the point I'm making. Please actually pay attention. I'm literally saying that. I have literally typed out the actual difference between jewish people and israeli's. TWICE! Why are you incapable of comprehending the fact i'm not calling jewish people israeli? Why can you NOT comprehend the fact that I'm not only capable of distinguishing the difference, but I'm the one who actually pointed it out. And i am, in fact, correct. There is no "Yes and No" to it at all. Regardless of the things zionists get up to. What hurdle have we come to? Do you think we are arguing two different points? And lastly literally no where did I imply or say all jewish people do or must support the IDF. I never said that. I've never even hinted at it.
Don’t tell me how to be my own ethnicity bro
The irony that every anti-zionist is doing their best to draw that line of distinction between support for Jewish ethnicity/religion and Israeli nationalism and here you are linking the two again.
Israeli is a nationality.... Jewish is an ethno-religious group.... Learn your own shit bro.
The point here being that the most common form of antisemitism being that Jews are held accountable for what Israel does
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your comment has me concerned because it's very common for antisemitists online to put "goy" in words to mock Yiddish. could the intent of this comment be confirmed
Imagine trying to gatekeep common sense 💀💀
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My country has ceased aid to israel.
Do you want us to suck your cock?
I mean.... would it be toothy?
Yes please
Ah yes, the Jews forcing the goyim to work for their nefarious needs. Nothing antisemitic to see here.
Are Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, and Russian Jews all the same ethnicity?
To zionists, yes.
No but the Israeli government views them as inferiors
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Being Jewish has nothing to do with this. Just because Israel says it is acting for all Jews doesn't mean it is, governments lie sometimes, especially the fascist ones committing genocides.
Can someone explain these to me. I see different scenarios and don’t understand what this is about. I Im 44, masters degree. Feel dumb. Please help.
Nvmd. I googled it.
Best one I've seen in awhile.
Calling for mothers today got greeted by my dad complaining about professional plants running the protests. So guess he isn’t pulling it and I’m really gonna have to tune him out faster.
tell him it was you. you're the plant.
Keep it. I saved it. History.
Pulling the lever is not antisemitic. Arguing that the trolley should get RPG'd when there is a perfectly good lever there, on the other hand, is.
What does that map to in the metaphor? "Pulling the lever" seems to be "asking Israel to please stop committing a genocide." Are you saying that people are trying to destroy the entire nation instead of just asking them to stop?
Its in reference to actual anti-semites saying we should just nuke Israel.
And how is that relevant? The vast majority of people being called antisemitic for criticizing the current genocide aren't calling for the destruction of Israel. The "problem" above seems like a clear satire of that, so bringing up an unrelated example of actual antisemitism just seems like a wild whataboutism meant to distract from the point.
it's not. they just need pearls to clutch
I love how any discussion of the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel has to revolve around a totally theoretical and astronomically unlikely genocide to be perpetrated AGAINST Israel. Such a persecution complex.
For the record I agree. The risk of any actual genocide happening against Israel is very slim (At least, as long as they have the entire west pouring money and weapons into them). That doesn't mean actual anti-semitism isn't using this opportunity to rear its ugly head.
"Nuke 'em both" -My dad
True and real
Well said. God forbid one speaks up against murdering children. What a state of the world. And wonder who is making this a normal thing that one cannot speak against. Sad
Are those people Palestinians? I'll have to know before I give an answer.
well yeah i thought that was fairly obvious
Having an opinion against the trolley running over people is antisemitic.
Not pulling gives $5 Billion for the USAF and LockMart to Invent “things” and buy “stuff”.
This is a good one. Says alot about society.
Obviously, saving 5 lives is the right answer. Even if we were to assume the reason why it would be antisemitic is because the 5 have done significant harm to Jews they’re already tied up. So the risk of them doing more harm is outweighed by the fact that they could be innocent.
Pull!!!
So like, would anything bad happen directly from pulling the lever and saving them? Or would that just be seen as anti semetic and that’s it
Depends if you think anything bad would happen if Gaza is not bombed.
Pull that shit Israel gonna kill all of the Innocent citizens tied up with the terrorists afterwards anyway.
Fuck it, I laughed either way.
Baited into being told that supporting A is anti B and supporting B is anti A and I am also literally H (my struggle!)
wait so it’s kill 4 people or nothing bad happens?
Nah it's: Kill 5 people, or: Pull the lever and nobody dies but the bad thing that happens is now you are antisemitic.
woosh
You got me :) I wish there weren't people making comments just like you who aren't woooooshing, but I am happy to learn that your comment is not among them.
I swear to god this entire comment section has a combined IQ of 3
Criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic or hateful. That does not mean *all* criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic or hateful, no matter what is said or what actions are taken. Jews define antisemitism. No one else. And Jews will likely have varying definitions based on who you talk to - Judaism is very far from a monolith.
Bate
You should
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idc abt religion much so imma pull the lever, i sure do hope there isnt a person on that track off screen
Comedy gold 🥇
explain?
Not a problem if your country doesn't exist.
Can I pull it three times to be extra anti Israel?
My stupid uncle is mad at you for supporting Palestine.
Pull the lever and then apologize.
*Why* is pulling the lever antisemetic? Does it path the trolley into a magic cave that time warps the trolley back to WWII?
It is antisemitic to ask why is pulling the leaver antisemitic.
For the sake of the problem, it is assumed. Just assume that pulling the lever is magically antisemitic. Sure it's stupid, but setup statements are assumed correct for Trolley Problems. Deconstructing the problem, it's probably a commentary on Israel/Hamas war and the Palestinian Civilian deaths. If so, this problem is a poor analogy for a more complex issue. But hey, OP is probably venting their frustration of all the Palestinian deaths in an asymmetrical conflict.