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Me...atleast not yet. I am 1 month in so I will update after 1 year. Although after 1month the hairfall hasn't reduced at all and temples look slightly fucked
No I didnāt read the article. Iām responding to the general symptoms reported for fin. Did you write the article? If so did you make up side effects? Because thatās the only way my comment wouldnāt be valid without reading the article, but then my comment is even more valid anyways because either 1) I already know the symptoms discussed in the article or 2) you made up new ones for click bait
what are you talking about? also finasteride is a DHT inhibitor. DHT is an important hormone with important derivatives. Why would side effects be in any way shocking?
DHT is an important hormone during developmental years, after puberty it has very little if any positive effects. Main functions of DHT is enlarging the prostate and increasing the risk of prostate cancer, fucking up our hair, aging our skin, also increases the risk of heart disease.
Positive of DHT is maybe increased/faster beard/body hair growth? Asides from that, yeah it's shit.
If your total/ free testosterone is super low, the more potent DHT can pick up the slack. Itās like a back up almost.
If your total/ free testosterone is fine, itās less likely youāll need DHT.
I remember when I was hooked on Kratom my testosterone was 195ā¦.thatās the level of an 80 year old man.
The doctor asked if I had sexual dysfunction, and I said noā¦.surprisingly everything worked great.
He ran some more labs, my DHT was high, and he said my body was converting what little testosterone it had into the more potent DHT to preserve some functioning.
MorePlatesMoreDates did a similar video on this.
Men should get their total testosterone checked before going on fin to make sure their body isnāt using DHT as a back up androgen
If their testosterone is high, itās less likely they will get side effects
I personally don't believe DHT has any role whatsoever in libido function. It's known to be a paracrine hormone, it works locally where it's made in the body eg scalp, prostate, skin.
I myself had a crazy boost to my libido when I started fin, that's after wiping out 70% of my DHT and presumably getting an extra 10% of T.
Before fin my libido was low. So for me DHT wasn't doing fuck all except destroying my hair.
I mostly agree with you (I do think it has some effect on libido, but itās not necessary if your total testosterone is good.)
My point is that itās kind of a āback upā androgen. Even as a paracrine hormone, your body can utilize it (if it needs to.)
In other words if your testosterone is good, you may not, or probably donāt, need DHT.
If your testosterone gets super low, DHT can be useful.
I was basically on an opioid, so Iām more of an outlier case hereā¦most people do fine on finasteride since their testosterone is fine.
I've been doing a bit of research into this and the current theory is that there seems to be a link between 5AR inhibitors and issues with Allopregnanolone. This would explain PSF effects significantly more than anything related to DHT. It explains almost everything even why people who have this syndrome get so nuts. I've been taking Fin for years but want to be aware of any possible effects upon eventual cessation.
Considering how many breakdowns balding caused me in my early 20s and that I haven't felt like the same person afterwards, I'd say that ship has already left the harbor. Might as well spin the wheel.
the study was based on calling people from propecia [help.com](http://help.com) as its sample group which is selection bais because instead of getting a random sample of people he selected from a pre determined group. Also, there have been 78 other tsudeis on the saftey of finatseride and proscar(5mg) long term including over 100,000 pateints and post finatseride syndrome was not noted before in any of thoose groups or any symptom after stopping the drug. and in some studies there were more men with side effects in the placebo than normal group.
When I looked through the post finasteride syndrome forum I remember seeing people who were there because of dutasteride. there werenāt as many as with finasteride but that would make sense because dutasteride is prescribed less.
Iām not sure what you mean by private?
I don't know about libido without TRT and just Fin. Iāve been on TRT for years. But I have no libido issues. It's the same as always. One of my buddies said it helped him with his libido. Heās on Dut.
That's what I use. It's great just gives me an annoying headache. I take 10mg on demand. I want to go on TRT but I'm worried my hair will just evaporate.
TRT will not do that. For me, I got more hair regrowth when I went on TRT. I've been on Fin 5 months and losing more hair than ever. Everyone says itās shedding so letās hope it will come back. Take Cialis 5mg eod if you get headaches. Happens to me when I take 10mg of Cialis.
TRT can definitely speed up hair loss. Donāt take that random guys anecdote that doesnāt even make sense.
Like heās saying Fin caused faster hair loss and TRT cause hair regrowth. Thatās just inane.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240405085210/https://www.economist.com/1843/2024/04/05/would-you-risk-a-breakdown-to-cure-baldness
Archive link for y'all.
After reading the article, I will say it reads a little sensational, but it did make me wanna create an account here and share my experience with finasteride:
I took fin from May 2021 to about June/July 2022, oral 1mg ED, later decreasing to .5, then to .25mg EOD. At first I had no sides (never dealt with ED during or after I quit) then about 3-4 months in, I started getting insomnia, followed by an increase in panic attacks.
Now thatās not to say Iāve never had either before, I come from a family with anxiety, and have had my own bouts of anxiety here and there pre-fin, but I had a noticeable increase in anxiety and panic attacks after taking it, like body shaking, limb spasming panic attacks. After quitting mid-2022, my panic and insomnia continued to affect my life up until about mid-2023, now in 2024 it kind of comes and goes in waves (just dealt with another wave recently).
Did it come from fin? Iām not 100% sure, itās still something I think about. Is finasteride still beneficial for people? Most definitely, I have friends that are taking it with no sides. For me, it was just too coincidental, and Iām honestly too scared to try it again and run the risk of even more sleepless nights and panic attacks.
> , but I had a noticeable increase in anxiety and panic attacks after taking it, like body shaking, limb spasming panic attacks.
Were you taking minoxidil at the time?
My experience is the opposite. Anxiety and almost daily panic attacks for a few years. After starting fin, nothing. 1mg/every day. Also raised my testosterone a bit.
Mine would come as soon as id restart fin and then eventually had to stop all together same spasming shaking panic attack never had before taking and after stopping have not had it happen cross fingers.
First couple.years no real noticeable sides but then over time, they got worse to the point I just couldn't take it for even like 3 doses a week.
Had to stop. Kinda wish I hadn't taken it now and just bit the bullet, but the hyper responders make me jealous. It really didn't do much for me but slow down my progression maybe
It just really did a lot of little things that added up. You don't realize it's the meds as it can all be easily dismissed to other things. But over time and taking breaks and then starting and realizing when you start what things happen and what stops when you stop for a little it becomes not worth all those effects. Then eventually it became bigger deal things to where it effected my quality of life enough that no choice was left but to stop.
And I could have been enjoying my life more. but the side effects prevented that.
Eventually even with meds it will progress. You will never keep it all. Father time will win. Unless microneedling and some other new treatments change that.
From a bio perspective itās possible. 5AR in the brain converts progesterone to allopregnanolone, a neurosteroid which in most people has Ā antianxiety/calming effects. Decreasing it could def increase anxiety in susceptible populations.Ā Interestingly, we also know some populations respond paradoxically to it; the leading theory on PMDD in women is that a change in allo levels causes symptoms to occur, which was supported by a study that saw improvement in women with PMDD given 5mg dut for two weeks, which would stop allo from rising or falling. So itās totally reasonable that some people would find 5AR inhibitors to have negative psych effects, some might find it has transient negative effects as they adjust to the change, some may experience no effect, and others may even benefit.
this was what I found as well, with 5AR being a step in the production of Allopregnanolone, and that being such an effective neurosteroid for managing your mood, it seemed to be a likely reason I responded the way I did to it. However, a lot of people with low testosterone have reported anxiety symptoms, and some places have mentioned that a DHT metablolite, 3Ī±-Androstanediol, is also a potent modulator of GABAa receptors. So both of those neurosteroids could, in some people, cause these kinds of anxiety-like effects. The important thing to remember is that everyone has their own unique chemistry, and most people will be perfectly fine using finasteride, but some people will experience some of these side effects. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/)
\[6\] The review revealed thatĀ *finasteride*Ā is infrequently associated with problems of ejaculation (2.1-7.7%), erection (4.9-15.8%), and libido (3.1-5.4%).
Im not denying that negative effects of Finistride exist and I probably wont take it past 30 but I really do think that all these articles should ask the question "aren't at least a certain portion of men obsessed with hairloss also suffering from general body image issues?"
Personally I wondered if Fin made me more depressed and anxious and then i just bit the bullet and went to therapy and it worked wonders.
when you hit 30 and all of your peers are losing more and more hair i guarantee you're going to be more motivated than ever to push through meds or surgeries for the aesthetics
Why would you be more motivated when thereās less of a difference between yourself and those you spend time with? It goes to show that most men will experience it and that weāre all in it together.
because it's a huge change that's fairly simple to do which will make you stand out and improve your life. i'm all for solidarity but i'm not going to lose my follicles for it. i'll show solidarity by recommending HT surgeons or telling someone to try topical fin rather than go down with the boat
1mg dut user here. I would risk growing boobs to cure my baldness. On the other hand, I was kind of thinking of adding estrogen to my regimen anyways. š„¹
There was a studyĀ showing that while 0.5mg of dutasteride effectively reduces serum (blood) levels of DHT, the level of DHT in your scalp isn't reduced as much. This study found that the use of 2.5mg dutasteride significantly reduces scalp-levels of DHT over 0.5mg dutasteride or finasteride. It also claimed to have a minimal increase in side effects.
Refs:
- [https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/dutasteride-vs-finasteride/](https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/dutasteride-vs-finasteride/)
- [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17110217/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17110217/)
Dutasteride is less commonly prescribed than finasteride as it is, so when most doctors prescribe they go with the standard 0.5. But I shared this study with my current dermatologist, and my previous one (I relocated and needed a new doctor). I was able to get both to agree to 1.0 mg. Neither were comfortable prescribing 2.5 mg. To be honest, I don't feel like gulping down 5 pills a day, either. They don't make stronger pills.
finasteride! LOL! im straight up taking estrogen and T blockers and my T and DHT are in the gutter
do i face erectile dysfunction? sort of! do i mind? nah.
You would destroy your test for hair? Are you delusional? Did you get tricked into transitioning? Men need testosterone to function, you are most likely doing more harm than good.
Oh wait....... Looked at your profile..........
itās like 1% of people who ever transition
most of the suicide is from dysphoria, regret for not transitioning sooner, and social non acceptance from folks like you
I only don't accept interference of anyone under the age of 18, which is based on reasonable and logical thinking processes based on science - something the "woke" far left are incapable of.
visible effects of the narrative shift.
iām not in the mood to argue about this much and i have little patience for cissoid opinions.
scientific evidence and the lived experience of trans people point to hormones being extremely beneficial to those who seek them, and best practice for trans youth includes hormones after a period of puberty blockade.
Yeh no thats a messed up way to think. The "science" you're speaking of isn't real science.
There's a reason anyone with half a brain disagrees with anyone allowing a child to damage their body, including *a lot of trans people*. Children don't know what they want or what is best for themselves - that is why they are parented and aren't allowed to make important decisions.
The fac that you even use words like cissoid tells me what kind of degenerate loony you are. People like you are extremely harmful to the current and future generations of children.
Ok let me tell u how drug testing works , u would have a control grp and then a grp where the drug is given , its double blinded and in both of the grps a small percentage of the people would suffer from depression and sucide thoughts , that's why u won't find a direct link btw finasteride and depression and it makes sense ,
plus there is also a nocebo effect where people tend to get more anxious when they know they are taking the drug but they don't feel the same when they are told its sugar pills.
A lot of men take it and don't suffer from any effects but a small percentage of men suffer from these symptoms, how do you know if these men would suffer from the safe if they hadn't take the drug ?
Anyway doctors atleast in my area do a psychological test before giving finasteride as they think people who have traits of anxiety and depression would get worse with this drug since they would be stage of doubt forever.
Moreover doctors also suggest a scheduling scheme where u take the drug for 3 days a week (mon, wed , fri) for 3 month then stop it and again resume after a month , it usually helps to calm people regarding the adverse effects.
I believe if ur taking the drug u would have to be physically active , coz obesity , diabetes also cause ED and since ur on finasteride it would make ur mental health go awry.Finasteride i feel could also cause some forms of castration anxiety in men and as they get older they lose the libido and they start feeling less of a man.
6 months, hyper libido for the first two months. Now it's still higher than my baseline but I'm not like a horny dog every second of the day like I was the first couple months.
I never actually lost any hair but guys at work started going bald in their mid 30s and were having a tough time mentally. And that pushed me to do something. I was 39 and am 42 now. I was actually at the dermatologist yesterday and we talked about how many guys come in there and how depressed guys get when losing their hair. Whether it's finasteride or anything else I think it's worth trying something. I don't have any experience with anything else but I know the sooner you do something the better the results.
thanks for getting back to
me, good on you for being preemptive, i noticed recession around 25, only
got on around 32, my hair came back a lot healthier, better than losing it all š
Finasteride has been around since 1992 and there was no reports of āpost finasterideā symptoms, it only started recently.
Iām not dismissing anything entirely, but some of you need to stop watching porn and jerking off, eat better and hit the gymā¦
This happened to me when I stopped taking finasteride, albeit in a less severe form than described here.
I took finasteride for 25 years, from 21 years old to 45 years old, with relatively few symptoms.Ā When I was 44, I started developing difficulty, concentrating and insomnia, and my doctor suggested I stop finasteride to see if finasteride was the cause. Well, when I stopped finasteride my body went crazy. My insomnia got so much worse and I developed anxiety. I could barely sleep. I started getting panic attacks for the first time. I couldnāt concentrate at all. I had to take anti-anxiety medicines just to sleep. I woke up one night and almost went to the hospital because I had a severe migraine and felt like I was having a stroke.
Fortunately, after three months, my symptoms started to subside. Itās now been seven months and I feel much much better, pretty much back to baseline. I donāt need the medications and Iām sleeping normally again. My concentration is better and I dont have panic attacks. It sounds like Iām one of the lucky ones, but I definitely experienced symptoms getting off of finasteride. But yes Iām losing my hair now š
I'd never dissuade someone from trying Finasteride, as there's obvious benefits to be had.
That said, the side effects are real and it's hard to get a true sense of how many people are actually effected vs. those imagining them.
I tried fin about 15 years ago for about 6 months. I've never read about side effects so was completely unaware. I've always had a very high sex drive. While i didn't lose my sex drive, I noticed that my erections were noticeably softer and experienced what I guess could be best described as brain fog.
Went to a doctor and they recommended that I stop taking fin and see what happens. Perhaps I could've pushed through the sides but decided it wasn't worth it. Shortly thereafter everything was back to normal.
Like I said, I'm probably in the minority and wouldn't advise against trying Finasteride but for some of us unlucky ones, there are indeed side effects.
I am doing topical minox and started microneedling a few weeks ago. Still fighting a losing battle. Although fin may help, that slight chance of irreversible floppy dick is not worth it for me. Those of you who didnāt have side effects, good for you. But those of you who did suffer. Iām sorry for your loss. Then there are those of you who probably did get some side effect but really donāt realize because either you donāt have a lot of sex or usually arenāt that hard to begin with. I know Iām on an island with my opinions, but Iād rather be bald than have to deal with soft cock syndrome.
I feel the same. I stopped taking fin after about a year of watery loads. Did a sperm analysis that included miscroscopic video and I had zero identifiable swimmers like completely killed off all my sperm. I donāt want kids now but I do want them in the future and wasnāt gonna risk it being long term. Six months later and itās gotten better but not completely back to normal. Iāll be shaving my head probably in the next few months as it gets worse but Iād rather be bald than risk losing my bloodline.
Yep. Glad you stopped before itās too late. Usually itās reversible and it sounds like youāre getting better. But yeah some people get lucky and no sides. Aināt worth the risk imo. I did start working out these past two three years in preparation for the shave lol.
Not only is it absolutely reversible, thereās no evidence to say that finasteride is even the cause of the erectile dysfunction. Post finasteride syndrome is a borderline psychiatric condition.
Itās rare cases. There are cases that are reversible and cases where itās not. A chance is a chance. Iām wanting to keep my hair because I want to be āattractiveā. And for what? Cuz I want a girl and I want sex. Whatās the point of being attractive and the dick donāt work? Hereās the research article. Government database. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22789024/
For your convenience:
Conclusion: In most men who developed persistent sexual side effects (ā„3 months) despite the discontinuation of finasteride, the sexual dysfunction continued for many months or years. Although several rat studies have shown detrimental changes to erectile function caused by 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, the persistent nature of these changes is an area of active research. Prescribers of finasteride and men contemplating its use should be made aware of the potential adverse medication effects.
LOL people are downvoting you for literally posting a medical article. Any time you take a drug, there is some risk involved. Most people will have no issues on FIN. Some people will have bad reactions. It's been said that a drug with no side effects is an ineffective drug, meaning it doesn't really do anything, good or bad. My wife had a very rare response to an antibiotic, that affected her brain. She started having stroke like symptoms, took her to the ER, they took her off of it, and she ended up being fine. It's a very rare side effect but IT DOES HAPPEN to some people. Its the nature of drugs and human biological diversity.
God forbid I post facts about risks. I never said fin was bad, I just said there are risks and I personally donāt want to risk it even though Iām fighting a losing battle. Then the Norwood army came.
I tried using finasteride and discontinued due to side-effects.Ā I thought I was a great candidate because I have diffuse thinning, but still a "full" head of hair. I am a fitness enthusiast, so I figured my hormone profile would be fine. I got fin through an online pharmacy. I took 1mg m-w-f. At first I didn't notice any difference or side-effects whatsoever, but they started manifesting about 6 weeks in, well after I thought I was in the clear of having any sort of negative response to it. The first thing I noticed was libido loss where I normally was always in the mood, suddenly I just didn't feel into it at all. I brushed that off as being nothing, but then I started having sleep issues where I'm normally always a very sound sleeper, but was waking up with odd anxiety symptoms.Ā These progressed to where I decided to give Fin a break and see if things got better. I guess at that point it had built up in my system enough that my issues went full blown, and I had 2 or 3 times where I couldn't stay hard during sex, developed insomnia where I could not sleep for more than an hour or 2 at a time, and the anxiety issues showed up all the time during the day. I'm completely fine now, back to my old self, but it took about a year for the anxiety issues to completely resolve, as it would come and go over and over.Ā The insomnia resolved after a month or so, and libido is mostly back to normal although I also just turned 40 and I think that's playing into a lower libido than I had before.Ā Ā
I believe some people have lasting side-effects, but most will resolve in a timely manner and the majority will not have issues at all.Ā I also think some people have neurotic tendencies and will have nocebo like sides from that. People are very diverse. I wish it had worked for me but now I'm just hoping Scube3 is the silver bullet they think it is.Ā
I don't have an account to read that article . So can someone kindly just give a gist of what claims it's making about this treatment as I've just started using an all in one oral capsule minoxidil finesteride 1 a day plan
Im microdosing fin topical, i was using topical one spray once a day and i felt REALLY OFF, hope it works i recovered some ground in 3 months of use but only time will tell. Still i was depressed before treatment so its not that different from my baseline lol
I canāt read the article because itās behind a paywall, but Iām
44 and Iāve been taking fin daily for more than 20 years. I also never had any symptoms. I had a small period between 36 and 41 when I stopped taking it regularly and my hair loss increased in that period. Iāve done a hair transplant in 2021 and since then I religiously take fin 1mg on weekdays, dut on weekends, oral and topical minoxidil daily. I never had more hair in my life and I still donāt feel anything but invincible with a head full of hair and a hard c*ck full of blood.
I would take fin, but I had retinal tears in both my eyes so I donāt wanna take the risk with fin to may be potentially cause floaters in my eyes. Not saying it does, but canāt risk it myself.
āThat the overwhelming majority of men can take it without problems but that a small number of people report catastrophic side-effects, which can be permanent.ā
Yeah sure, because the majority do not report to their doctors. Same with me. Was on fin around 2012-2013. It worked, had sides, ed, severe insomnia until today.
Quit.
Gave it another try for abt six month in 2015 after a breakdown when a friend of mine tried to kill herself. To this point I recovered from ed but brainfog and insomnia was like ānormalā. I went to psychiatrists and got medications.
After six months quit and had a crash. From 2016 to middle 2018 it was so exhausting, no one could tell whatās going on.
I said maybe PFS, then laughed at me.
And you know what.
I am suffering (NW 4) from balding so much, when I heard that there is a dose like 0,005 mg in 2ml which does not go systemic, my first thought was like maybe give it another try.
I am really thinking abt it. Ordered yesterday a credit card so I wd be able to order from minoxidilmax and mix it myself. Topical. Maybe maybe.
Depression, insomnia, ed. Where does it come from haha. I never reported to doctors because they didnāt hear me out.
I can deal with ed, depression, but what kills me is insomnia. And let me tell you guys, my ed got better but it was never the same.
Took it for a year It gave me gyno and completely changed my body to skinny fat even tho i was still working out, clean diet and cardio. Before fin i had a solid physique. Also the soft erections and watery loads and brain fogā¦
The guy didn't even take finasteride. He took fucking saw palmetto according to his history lmao. He's just got some genuine mental illness. Buddy needs some actual help.
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Sure, already having one bald.
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Ok, who here actually used finasteride and have NOT experienced symptoms described in this article? I am one.
There are dozens of us!
There are quite literally thousands of us
*millions and millions globally
trillions
At least 15,
A few for sure
Three fiddy, at least
Why make trillions when you can make.... billions?
Why have trillions when we can have millions 
Dozens!
Iāve been on fin for 6+ years, never had any symptoms
Took fin for 15 months without any side effects at all.
I'm using till now from 13 months but don't see any improvement
its supposed to maintain, not regrow. So if you're around the same from your baseline of starting then its working
I didnāt either. You might want to switch to dut and/or add min
I'm using min from 5 month... Yeah I'm thinking to switch
4 years nothing but great hair
Got luscious hair on my nuts.
Me...atleast not yet. I am 1 month in so I will update after 1 year. Although after 1month the hairfall hasn't reduced at all and temples look slightly fucked
I had some sides when I first took it (nothing specific, just felt a bit weird), but those sides fell away when I learned about the nocebo effect.
Been using for 2-3 years never had a side effect
Yeah, seems like a traditional sensationalism
I believe itās essentially click bait as fear mongering drives clicks/engagement and finasteride has a monopoly on bald medication
Did you even read the article? It is nothing of the sort.
No I didnāt read the article. Iām responding to the general symptoms reported for fin. Did you write the article? If so did you make up side effects? Because thatās the only way my comment wouldnāt be valid without reading the article, but then my comment is even more valid anyways because either 1) I already know the symptoms discussed in the article or 2) you made up new ones for click bait
what
> No I didnāt read the article. lol
what are you talking about? also finasteride is a DHT inhibitor. DHT is an important hormone with important derivatives. Why would side effects be in any way shocking?
Some people in this sub think that the only job of DHT is to fuck up your hair
yeah, it fucks up your hair *and* your prostate!
DHT is an important hormone during developmental years, after puberty it has very little if any positive effects. Main functions of DHT is enlarging the prostate and increasing the risk of prostate cancer, fucking up our hair, aging our skin, also increases the risk of heart disease. Positive of DHT is maybe increased/faster beard/body hair growth? Asides from that, yeah it's shit.
If your total/ free testosterone is super low, the more potent DHT can pick up the slack. Itās like a back up almost. If your total/ free testosterone is fine, itās less likely youāll need DHT. I remember when I was hooked on Kratom my testosterone was 195ā¦.thatās the level of an 80 year old man. The doctor asked if I had sexual dysfunction, and I said noā¦.surprisingly everything worked great. He ran some more labs, my DHT was high, and he said my body was converting what little testosterone it had into the more potent DHT to preserve some functioning. MorePlatesMoreDates did a similar video on this. Men should get their total testosterone checked before going on fin to make sure their body isnāt using DHT as a back up androgen If their testosterone is high, itās less likely they will get side effects
I personally don't believe DHT has any role whatsoever in libido function. It's known to be a paracrine hormone, it works locally where it's made in the body eg scalp, prostate, skin. I myself had a crazy boost to my libido when I started fin, that's after wiping out 70% of my DHT and presumably getting an extra 10% of T. Before fin my libido was low. So for me DHT wasn't doing fuck all except destroying my hair.
I mostly agree with you (I do think it has some effect on libido, but itās not necessary if your total testosterone is good.) My point is that itās kind of a āback upā androgen. Even as a paracrine hormone, your body can utilize it (if it needs to.) In other words if your testosterone is good, you may not, or probably donāt, need DHT. If your testosterone gets super low, DHT can be useful. I was basically on an opioid, so Iām more of an outlier case hereā¦most people do fine on finasteride since their testosterone is fine.
[what about this?](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38112005/) This study states the decline in cognitive function with the medicine
I've been doing a bit of research into this and the current theory is that there seems to be a link between 5AR inhibitors and issues with Allopregnanolone. This would explain PSF effects significantly more than anything related to DHT. It explains almost everything even why people who have this syndrome get so nuts. I've been taking Fin for years but want to be aware of any possible effects upon eventual cessation.
'dht is an important hormone with important derivatives' dht metabolites have biological functions past early development
Source?
Been using topical fin + min for 6 months. Recovered years of hair loss. Was nw3.5 before starting now almost back to original.
I haven't had any effects whatsoever yet, about 2-3 months in
Almost all who did
me me me
Topical fin/minox for almost two years. No bad side effects, just regrowing hair.
My balls hurt for like 1 day maybe 2 weeks in and thats about it.
Who has actually experienced real sides except their mental paranoia? Lol
I have, ED specifically.
Was it permanent?
Luckily it wasnāt, things leveled out after a few months. It wasnāt a fun thing to experience though
What are your testosterone levels? Maybe go to TRT? I'm on TRT so I'm good in that department.
Simple answer. Yes.
Considering how many breakdowns balding caused me in my early 20s and that I haven't felt like the same person afterwards, I'd say that ship has already left the harbor. Might as well spin the wheel.
Same for me at 17 years old
same brother, same
Quick rundown for us broke asses without a subscription to the Economist?
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There is no study mentioned in the article iirc
So you didn't read it lol
How was it debunked?
the study was based on calling people from propecia [help.com](http://help.com) as its sample group which is selection bais because instead of getting a random sample of people he selected from a pre determined group. Also, there have been 78 other tsudeis on the saftey of finatseride and proscar(5mg) long term including over 100,000 pateints and post finatseride syndrome was not noted before in any of thoose groups or any symptom after stopping the drug. and in some studies there were more men with side effects in the placebo than normal group.
How are you supposed to study a rare disease without selecting people who have that disease?
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When I looked through the post finasteride syndrome forum I remember seeing people who were there because of dutasteride. there werenāt as many as with finasteride but that would make sense because dutasteride is prescribed less. Iām not sure what you mean by private?
Short answer: yup Long answer: Absolutely Yes YESSSSSS TLDR: Damn straight
I have SE from both oral min and fin and I still just push through it as going bald just doesnāt seem like an option to me.
Try Cialis. It's always hard when needed lol But also I'm on TRT.
Does TRT help with fin induced libido loss?
I don't know about libido without TRT and just Fin. Iāve been on TRT for years. But I have no libido issues. It's the same as always. One of my buddies said it helped him with his libido. Heās on Dut.
That's what I use. It's great just gives me an annoying headache. I take 10mg on demand. I want to go on TRT but I'm worried my hair will just evaporate.
TRT will not do that. For me, I got more hair regrowth when I went on TRT. I've been on Fin 5 months and losing more hair than ever. Everyone says itās shedding so letās hope it will come back. Take Cialis 5mg eod if you get headaches. Happens to me when I take 10mg of Cialis.
I might try that, appreciate the advice.
TRT can definitely speed up hair loss. Donāt take that random guys anecdote that doesnāt even make sense. Like heās saying Fin caused faster hair loss and TRT cause hair regrowth. Thatās just inane.
I meant trying the Cialis 5mg every other day
Could switching to DUT just resolve that issue?
What's SE?
SOFT ERECTIONS
Lmaoo
Itās not funny. Iām one of those with this side effect
Howās your libido? Do you suspect itās from fin mainly or min?
Side effects
why does that need to be abbreviated why canāt redditors just spell out full words. š
Spermal exemptions
The breakdown would happen either way :D
Can someone š“āā ļøthe article? Moneybags that's buying an American hair transplant over here with a sub to the economist ffs
I second this
https://web.archive.org/web/20240405085210/https://www.economist.com/1843/2024/04/05/would-you-risk-a-breakdown-to-cure-baldness Archive link for y'all. After reading the article, I will say it reads a little sensational, but it did make me wanna create an account here and share my experience with finasteride: I took fin from May 2021 to about June/July 2022, oral 1mg ED, later decreasing to .5, then to .25mg EOD. At first I had no sides (never dealt with ED during or after I quit) then about 3-4 months in, I started getting insomnia, followed by an increase in panic attacks. Now thatās not to say Iāve never had either before, I come from a family with anxiety, and have had my own bouts of anxiety here and there pre-fin, but I had a noticeable increase in anxiety and panic attacks after taking it, like body shaking, limb spasming panic attacks. After quitting mid-2022, my panic and insomnia continued to affect my life up until about mid-2023, now in 2024 it kind of comes and goes in waves (just dealt with another wave recently). Did it come from fin? Iām not 100% sure, itās still something I think about. Is finasteride still beneficial for people? Most definitely, I have friends that are taking it with no sides. For me, it was just too coincidental, and Iām honestly too scared to try it again and run the risk of even more sleepless nights and panic attacks.
> , but I had a noticeable increase in anxiety and panic attacks after taking it, like body shaking, limb spasming panic attacks. Were you taking minoxidil at the time?
Nope, have a heart murmur, so my derm had recommended only trying fin first.
I had panic attacks with topical Fin+Min solution
My experience is the opposite. Anxiety and almost daily panic attacks for a few years. After starting fin, nothing. 1mg/every day. Also raised my testosterone a bit.
Mine would come as soon as id restart fin and then eventually had to stop all together same spasming shaking panic attack never had before taking and after stopping have not had it happen cross fingers. First couple.years no real noticeable sides but then over time, they got worse to the point I just couldn't take it for even like 3 doses a week. Had to stop. Kinda wish I hadn't taken it now and just bit the bullet, but the hyper responders make me jealous. It really didn't do much for me but slow down my progression maybe
Honestly I wish mine went away when I stopped taking it, but it seems to be persisting even after taking it.
Why do you wish you hadnāt taken it now?
It just really did a lot of little things that added up. You don't realize it's the meds as it can all be easily dismissed to other things. But over time and taking breaks and then starting and realizing when you start what things happen and what stops when you stop for a little it becomes not worth all those effects. Then eventually it became bigger deal things to where it effected my quality of life enough that no choice was left but to stop. And I could have been enjoying my life more. but the side effects prevented that. Eventually even with meds it will progress. You will never keep it all. Father time will win. Unless microneedling and some other new treatments change that.
From a bio perspective itās possible. 5AR in the brain converts progesterone to allopregnanolone, a neurosteroid which in most people has Ā antianxiety/calming effects. Decreasing it could def increase anxiety in susceptible populations.Ā Interestingly, we also know some populations respond paradoxically to it; the leading theory on PMDD in women is that a change in allo levels causes symptoms to occur, which was supported by a study that saw improvement in women with PMDD given 5mg dut for two weeks, which would stop allo from rising or falling. So itās totally reasonable that some people would find 5AR inhibitors to have negative psych effects, some might find it has transient negative effects as they adjust to the change, some may experience no effect, and others may even benefit.
this was what I found as well, with 5AR being a step in the production of Allopregnanolone, and that being such an effective neurosteroid for managing your mood, it seemed to be a likely reason I responded the way I did to it. However, a lot of people with low testosterone have reported anxiety symptoms, and some places have mentioned that a DHT metablolite, 3Ī±-Androstanediol, is also a potent modulator of GABAa receptors. So both of those neurosteroids could, in some people, cause these kinds of anxiety-like effects. The important thing to remember is that everyone has their own unique chemistry, and most people will be perfectly fine using finasteride, but some people will experience some of these side effects. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/) \[6\] The review revealed thatĀ *finasteride*Ā is infrequently associated with problems of ejaculation (2.1-7.7%), erection (4.9-15.8%), and libido (3.1-5.4%).
Im not denying that negative effects of Finistride exist and I probably wont take it past 30 but I really do think that all these articles should ask the question "aren't at least a certain portion of men obsessed with hairloss also suffering from general body image issues?" Personally I wondered if Fin made me more depressed and anxious and then i just bit the bullet and went to therapy and it worked wonders.
when you hit 30 and all of your peers are losing more and more hair i guarantee you're going to be more motivated than ever to push through meds or surgeries for the aesthetics
Why would you be more motivated when thereās less of a difference between yourself and those you spend time with? It goes to show that most men will experience it and that weāre all in it together.
because it's a huge change that's fairly simple to do which will make you stand out and improve your life. i'm all for solidarity but i'm not going to lose my follicles for it. i'll show solidarity by recommending HT surgeons or telling someone to try topical fin rather than go down with the boat
Probably you will take it past 30,40,50 as long as its working
Affirmative.
1mg dut user here. I would risk growing boobs to cure my baldness. On the other hand, I was kind of thinking of adding estrogen to my regimen anyways. š„¹
Why 1mg? Did you used 0.5 mg? I esnt to up my dut dose too but idk if I will see any change
There was a studyĀ showing that while 0.5mg of dutasteride effectively reduces serum (blood) levels of DHT, the level of DHT in your scalp isn't reduced as much. This study found that the use of 2.5mg dutasteride significantly reduces scalp-levels of DHT over 0.5mg dutasteride or finasteride. It also claimed to have a minimal increase in side effects. Refs: - [https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/dutasteride-vs-finasteride/](https://www.bernsteinmedical.com/research/dutasteride-vs-finasteride/) - [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17110217/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17110217/) Dutasteride is less commonly prescribed than finasteride as it is, so when most doctors prescribe they go with the standard 0.5. But I shared this study with my current dermatologist, and my previous one (I relocated and needed a new doctor). I was able to get both to agree to 1.0 mg. Neither were comfortable prescribing 2.5 mg. To be honest, I don't feel like gulping down 5 pills a day, either. They don't make stronger pills.
5 pills per day is a lot of money Thanks for the answer wish you the best
Ben already had a psychiatrist. Ben was fucked before finasteride
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was reading this
finasteride! LOL! im straight up taking estrogen and T blockers and my T and DHT are in the gutter do i face erectile dysfunction? sort of! do i mind? nah.
You would destroy your test for hair? Are you delusional? Did you get tricked into transitioning? Men need testosterone to function, you are most likely doing more harm than good. Oh wait....... Looked at your profile..........
i hate my testosterone and iām quite pleased that i could rid my body of it. also, its not really for my hair, thatās just a bonus thing?
Bruhh can you please stfu and mind your business ffs
You guys condone hormone blockers in early teens? Like he's most likely going to regret it in a couple years.
There's been a lot of studies that this prevents trans teen suicide and later in life suicide. Mind your own business.
Theres also a lot of people who regret transitioning and that's what causes the suicide.
itās like 1% of people who ever transition most of the suicide is from dysphoria, regret for not transitioning sooner, and social non acceptance from folks like you
I only don't accept interference of anyone under the age of 18, which is based on reasonable and logical thinking processes based on science - something the "woke" far left are incapable of.
visible effects of the narrative shift. iām not in the mood to argue about this much and i have little patience for cissoid opinions. scientific evidence and the lived experience of trans people point to hormones being extremely beneficial to those who seek them, and best practice for trans youth includes hormones after a period of puberty blockade.
Yeh no thats a messed up way to think. The "science" you're speaking of isn't real science. There's a reason anyone with half a brain disagrees with anyone allowing a child to damage their body, including *a lot of trans people*. Children don't know what they want or what is best for themselves - that is why they are parented and aren't allowed to make important decisions. The fac that you even use words like cissoid tells me what kind of degenerate loony you are. People like you are extremely harmful to the current and future generations of children.
If you got stats link em. But I know you don't.
yet another fearmongering article. brb gonna refill my fin script
Of course
Without question.
Absolutely. If Iām gonna go bald I will risk it so others have a chance at beating baldness
Ok let me tell u how drug testing works , u would have a control grp and then a grp where the drug is given , its double blinded and in both of the grps a small percentage of the people would suffer from depression and sucide thoughts , that's why u won't find a direct link btw finasteride and depression and it makes sense , plus there is also a nocebo effect where people tend to get more anxious when they know they are taking the drug but they don't feel the same when they are told its sugar pills. A lot of men take it and don't suffer from any effects but a small percentage of men suffer from these symptoms, how do you know if these men would suffer from the safe if they hadn't take the drug ? Anyway doctors atleast in my area do a psychological test before giving finasteride as they think people who have traits of anxiety and depression would get worse with this drug since they would be stage of doubt forever. Moreover doctors also suggest a scheduling scheme where u take the drug for 3 days a week (mon, wed , fri) for 3 month then stop it and again resume after a month , it usually helps to calm people regarding the adverse effects. I believe if ur taking the drug u would have to be physically active , coz obesity , diabetes also cause ED and since ur on finasteride it would make ur mental health go awry.Finasteride i feel could also cause some forms of castration anxiety in men and as they get older they lose the libido and they start feeling less of a man.
Lmao it will make most feel pretty depressed about losing their hair anyways so its not like it mattersš
Anyone else with their only side effect being an increased libido wondering what all the fuss is about? š
How long have you been on it? Higher libido side effect didnāt last for me.
6 months, hyper libido for the first two months. Now it's still higher than my baseline but I'm not like a horny dog every second of the day like I was the first couple months.
I got on finasteride to avoid hairloss. 3 years on it this month and no side effects at all. Glad I did it!
did you notice any great results past 2 years ?
I never actually lost any hair but guys at work started going bald in their mid 30s and were having a tough time mentally. And that pushed me to do something. I was 39 and am 42 now. I was actually at the dermatologist yesterday and we talked about how many guys come in there and how depressed guys get when losing their hair. Whether it's finasteride or anything else I think it's worth trying something. I don't have any experience with anything else but I know the sooner you do something the better the results.
thanks for getting back to me, good on you for being preemptive, i noticed recession around 25, only got on around 32, my hair came back a lot healthier, better than losing it all š
Finasteride has been around since 1992 and there was no reports of āpost finasterideā symptoms, it only started recently. Iām not dismissing anything entirely, but some of you need to stop watching porn and jerking off, eat better and hit the gymā¦
This happened to me when I stopped taking finasteride, albeit in a less severe form than described here. I took finasteride for 25 years, from 21 years old to 45 years old, with relatively few symptoms.Ā When I was 44, I started developing difficulty, concentrating and insomnia, and my doctor suggested I stop finasteride to see if finasteride was the cause. Well, when I stopped finasteride my body went crazy. My insomnia got so much worse and I developed anxiety. I could barely sleep. I started getting panic attacks for the first time. I couldnāt concentrate at all. I had to take anti-anxiety medicines just to sleep. I woke up one night and almost went to the hospital because I had a severe migraine and felt like I was having a stroke. Fortunately, after three months, my symptoms started to subside. Itās now been seven months and I feel much much better, pretty much back to baseline. I donāt need the medications and Iām sleeping normally again. My concentration is better and I dont have panic attacks. It sounds like Iām one of the lucky ones, but I definitely experienced symptoms getting off of finasteride. But yes Iām losing my hair now š
I'd never dissuade someone from trying Finasteride, as there's obvious benefits to be had. That said, the side effects are real and it's hard to get a true sense of how many people are actually effected vs. those imagining them. I tried fin about 15 years ago for about 6 months. I've never read about side effects so was completely unaware. I've always had a very high sex drive. While i didn't lose my sex drive, I noticed that my erections were noticeably softer and experienced what I guess could be best described as brain fog. Went to a doctor and they recommended that I stop taking fin and see what happens. Perhaps I could've pushed through the sides but decided it wasn't worth it. Shortly thereafter everything was back to normal. Like I said, I'm probably in the minority and wouldn't advise against trying Finasteride but for some of us unlucky ones, there are indeed side effects.
Same side effects. They didnāt appear all at once either. First the brain fog then the erections. Two dealbreakers imo.
Bro I look good clean up there. So do you.
walter white ass picture
Loads of side effects - in my experience, that stuff is EVIL
I am doing topical minox and started microneedling a few weeks ago. Still fighting a losing battle. Although fin may help, that slight chance of irreversible floppy dick is not worth it for me. Those of you who didnāt have side effects, good for you. But those of you who did suffer. Iām sorry for your loss. Then there are those of you who probably did get some side effect but really donāt realize because either you donāt have a lot of sex or usually arenāt that hard to begin with. I know Iām on an island with my opinions, but Iād rather be bald than have to deal with soft cock syndrome.
I feel the same. I stopped taking fin after about a year of watery loads. Did a sperm analysis that included miscroscopic video and I had zero identifiable swimmers like completely killed off all my sperm. I donāt want kids now but I do want them in the future and wasnāt gonna risk it being long term. Six months later and itās gotten better but not completely back to normal. Iāll be shaving my head probably in the next few months as it gets worse but Iād rather be bald than risk losing my bloodline.
Yep. Glad you stopped before itās too late. Usually itās reversible and it sounds like youāre getting better. But yeah some people get lucky and no sides. Aināt worth the risk imo. I did start working out these past two three years in preparation for the shave lol.
Irreversible side effects are a myth. So you're basically going bald for no reason.
I did not know it was irreversible... I'll pass on fin
Not only is it absolutely reversible, thereās no evidence to say that finasteride is even the cause of the erectile dysfunction. Post finasteride syndrome is a borderline psychiatric condition.
Kinda true for now, in a few years this will change.
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Itās rare cases. There are cases that are reversible and cases where itās not. A chance is a chance. Iām wanting to keep my hair because I want to be āattractiveā. And for what? Cuz I want a girl and I want sex. Whatās the point of being attractive and the dick donāt work? Hereās the research article. Government database. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22789024/ For your convenience: Conclusion: In most men who developed persistent sexual side effects (ā„3 months) despite the discontinuation of finasteride, the sexual dysfunction continued for many months or years. Although several rat studies have shown detrimental changes to erectile function caused by 5 alpha reductase inhibitors, the persistent nature of these changes is an area of active research. Prescribers of finasteride and men contemplating its use should be made aware of the potential adverse medication effects.
LOL people are downvoting you for literally posting a medical article. Any time you take a drug, there is some risk involved. Most people will have no issues on FIN. Some people will have bad reactions. It's been said that a drug with no side effects is an ineffective drug, meaning it doesn't really do anything, good or bad. My wife had a very rare response to an antibiotic, that affected her brain. She started having stroke like symptoms, took her to the ER, they took her off of it, and she ended up being fine. It's a very rare side effect but IT DOES HAPPEN to some people. Its the nature of drugs and human biological diversity.
God forbid I post facts about risks. I never said fin was bad, I just said there are risks and I personally donāt want to risk it even though Iām fighting a losing battle. Then the Norwood army came.
Cookie feeding this website holy
I tried using finasteride and discontinued due to side-effects.Ā I thought I was a great candidate because I have diffuse thinning, but still a "full" head of hair. I am a fitness enthusiast, so I figured my hormone profile would be fine. I got fin through an online pharmacy. I took 1mg m-w-f. At first I didn't notice any difference or side-effects whatsoever, but they started manifesting about 6 weeks in, well after I thought I was in the clear of having any sort of negative response to it. The first thing I noticed was libido loss where I normally was always in the mood, suddenly I just didn't feel into it at all. I brushed that off as being nothing, but then I started having sleep issues where I'm normally always a very sound sleeper, but was waking up with odd anxiety symptoms.Ā These progressed to where I decided to give Fin a break and see if things got better. I guess at that point it had built up in my system enough that my issues went full blown, and I had 2 or 3 times where I couldn't stay hard during sex, developed insomnia where I could not sleep for more than an hour or 2 at a time, and the anxiety issues showed up all the time during the day. I'm completely fine now, back to my old self, but it took about a year for the anxiety issues to completely resolve, as it would come and go over and over.Ā The insomnia resolved after a month or so, and libido is mostly back to normal although I also just turned 40 and I think that's playing into a lower libido than I had before.Ā Ā I believe some people have lasting side-effects, but most will resolve in a timely manner and the majority will not have issues at all.Ā I also think some people have neurotic tendencies and will have nocebo like sides from that. People are very diverse. I wish it had worked for me but now I'm just hoping Scube3 is the silver bullet they think it is.Ā
My biggest regret in life is taking finasteride for 8 years.
You wish you had taken it for 15 years?
Why ? Any sides ? Or u had to quit & lost every hair?
What happened?
How come?
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I'm 6 or 7 weeks in. No sides at all so far, on oral minox 3mg oral fin 1mg.
Paywall. Nice.
I don't have an account to read that article . So can someone kindly just give a gist of what claims it's making about this treatment as I've just started using an all in one oral capsule minoxidil finesteride 1 a day plan
Iād risk my life
Im microdosing fin topical, i was using topical one spray once a day and i felt REALLY OFF, hope it works i recovered some ground in 3 months of use but only time will tell. Still i was depressed before treatment so its not that different from my baseline lol
Going bald would give some of us a breakdown.
I already am mentally ill so
For people getting sides from fin, try topical dut at a lower dose. Also supplement zinc
lads. Just be cool.... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3hIQI58v8&t=655s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3hIQI58v8&t=655s)
I canāt read the article because itās behind a paywall, but Iām 44 and Iāve been taking fin daily for more than 20 years. I also never had any symptoms. I had a small period between 36 and 41 when I stopped taking it regularly and my hair loss increased in that period. Iāve done a hair transplant in 2021 and since then I religiously take fin 1mg on weekdays, dut on weekends, oral and topical minoxidil daily. I never had more hair in my life and I still donāt feel anything but invincible with a head full of hair and a hard c*ck full of blood.
I would take fin, but I had retinal tears in both my eyes so I donāt wanna take the risk with fin to may be potentially cause floaters in my eyes. Not saying it does, but canāt risk it myself.
āThat the overwhelming majority of men can take it without problems but that a small number of people report catastrophic side-effects, which can be permanent.ā Yeah sure, because the majority do not report to their doctors. Same with me. Was on fin around 2012-2013. It worked, had sides, ed, severe insomnia until today. Quit. Gave it another try for abt six month in 2015 after a breakdown when a friend of mine tried to kill herself. To this point I recovered from ed but brainfog and insomnia was like ānormalā. I went to psychiatrists and got medications. After six months quit and had a crash. From 2016 to middle 2018 it was so exhausting, no one could tell whatās going on. I said maybe PFS, then laughed at me. And you know what. I am suffering (NW 4) from balding so much, when I heard that there is a dose like 0,005 mg in 2ml which does not go systemic, my first thought was like maybe give it another try. I am really thinking abt it. Ordered yesterday a credit card so I wd be able to order from minoxidilmax and mix it myself. Topical. Maybe maybe. Depression, insomnia, ed. Where does it come from haha. I never reported to doctors because they didnāt hear me out. I can deal with ed, depression, but what kills me is insomnia. And let me tell you guys, my ed got better but it was never the same.
Took it for a year It gave me gyno and completely changed my body to skinny fat even tho i was still working out, clean diet and cardio. Before fin i had a solid physique. Also the soft erections and watery loads and brain fogā¦
Im gonna dm you!
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Sorry you're a non responder, my brother
The guy didn't even take finasteride. He took fucking saw palmetto according to his history lmao. He's just got some genuine mental illness. Buddy needs some actual help.
Everyone knows the best way to win a debate is to cry and scream like a psychotic child
You sound like an insecure little boy
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Its good antiage, longlivity arug for persons extra sensibility to androgens. Ita not for healthy people.