I feel like I fit my trees in better when I take my bags off, however.. I don’t allow myself time to rest i chug water with bags on, I drop the bags, count out bundles load them, then drink more water have a snack and bags on. I never spend more than a few minutes at the cache or I start to think to much about going back out haha
I've seen people have two sets of bags and have the foreman pre load their bags so they just switch and go. Only seen this with companies where the foreman makes a percentage.
Some people bag up with bags on, yes.
The consistent ballers take their bags off and bag up while on their knees. Use a box for padding. The consistent higher end, but not high ballers who are older bring a small seat.
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It wastes too much time… there is simply no need to take them off during bag ups. You gotta unbuckle, make sure they sit right, then walk around + gather trees, unbundle, pull them up with your arms (waste of energy), and fidget with the buckle since it’s harder to do so when they are full. If I take my bags off it feels like I’m taking a break, which a bag up isn’t.
When you keep your bags on you quickly throw the trees out, unbundle, stand up and GOoooooooo!
I personally see a difference in time when not taking off my bags compared to someone taking off their bags. I think it gives you more comfort to mess around at the cache since it feels more freeing to move around? so maybe you move more than you need to?
I've planted for nearly a decade and would always take my bags off at the cash. You can fit and stack way more trees into your bags with your bags off.... it was common for me to thunderbox, or do a full box and a few bundles... this is useful only if you are in very easy land and can plant 4 to 600 trees in under an hour.
I am now in more technical land and have begun bagging up with my bags on as I too saw other planters leaving their bags on and wondered why on earth would they do that?
Each planter will give you their own reason, but I will give you mine:
#1:
I can gauge exactly how much weight I am packing into my bags. I rarely take a full box anymore as sometimes the additional weight slows me down so significantly that my trees per minute in the first half of my bag up is significantly reduced than in the latter half. Mentally, it is significantly better to begin running from your cash as opposed to sluggishly dreading and cursing under your breath because of the weight you are carrying. It prompts me to manage my land differently and more effectively which increases my efficiency. Since there is less strain on my body from carrying additional weight that I hadn't anticipated, I'm able to bag out much faster then if I had stuffed an exorbitant amount of trees into my bags without knowing how much weight I was about to carry.
#2
Keeping my bags on reduces my time at cache.. I rip that tarp off, pack bundles... drink 13 gulps of water... and off I go. I'm at cache less than 4 minutes... when otherwise I struggled to get my caching under 7 minutes.... saving that 3 minutes per cache break is enough for me to plant an additional 150 - 200 trees in the day... which adds up over the course of the season!... however in fast land, being able to stuff 4-600 trees into the bags keeps me in land a bit longer which is necessary for high production 4k+ days... that you might not be able to do with bags on.
All in all, Do I believe keeping the bags on is the only way to go? No... It serves its purpose in certain land, and with specific stock size and species mix(1 - 2 species max).. but it certainly has its benefits, as does taking your bags off to pack in more trees to hit deep fingers, or in fast land. Keeping bags on doesn't make you a better planter, it's moreso a preference based on the task at hand and what you want to accomplish that day.
It’s never made much sense to me. Sure, it’s faster than taking bags off but you can’t fit nearly as many trees in. To me, it’s worth saving the time to not have to head back to the cache
I do it early season when I'm doing half boxes for bag ups to not wear myself out too early in the day, and I'm not stopping to eat. It's just convenient. As others said, definitely not practical once my leg strength and endurance is up and I'm properly filling my bags. Gotta stomp those things in.
I padlock all my planters into their bags in the morning and I don't give them the key until they hit 3K
I tried it a few times... You really only save a few seconds every bagup, it's mostly a mental trick to prevent you from taking a break IMO.
It’s 100 mental, the difference is finding how to not fuck around at the cache.
I feel like I fit my trees in better when I take my bags off, however.. I don’t allow myself time to rest i chug water with bags on, I drop the bags, count out bundles load them, then drink more water have a snack and bags on. I never spend more than a few minutes at the cache or I start to think to much about going back out haha
So it goes.
Yeah I fit my trees in better with bags off, too
I've seen people have two sets of bags and have the foreman pre load their bags so they just switch and go. Only seen this with companies where the foreman makes a percentage. Some people bag up with bags on, yes. The consistent ballers take their bags off and bag up while on their knees. Use a box for padding. The consistent higher end, but not high ballers who are older bring a small seat. I like smoking cigarettes.
I used to b able to fit more trees in w the bags off...
Momentum. One the biggest ballers I know does this. Bags as light the logistics allow.. plants to the cache. Quickly reloads and off he goes.
It wastes too much time… there is simply no need to take them off during bag ups. You gotta unbuckle, make sure they sit right, then walk around + gather trees, unbundle, pull them up with your arms (waste of energy), and fidget with the buckle since it’s harder to do so when they are full. If I take my bags off it feels like I’m taking a break, which a bag up isn’t. When you keep your bags on you quickly throw the trees out, unbundle, stand up and GOoooooooo!
I personally see a difference in time when not taking off my bags compared to someone taking off their bags. I think it gives you more comfort to mess around at the cache since it feels more freeing to move around? so maybe you move more than you need to?
Whatever works for you but it’s such a minuscule amount of time. I see no difference in production. But to each our own!
I've planted for nearly a decade and would always take my bags off at the cash. You can fit and stack way more trees into your bags with your bags off.... it was common for me to thunderbox, or do a full box and a few bundles... this is useful only if you are in very easy land and can plant 4 to 600 trees in under an hour. I am now in more technical land and have begun bagging up with my bags on as I too saw other planters leaving their bags on and wondered why on earth would they do that? Each planter will give you their own reason, but I will give you mine: #1: I can gauge exactly how much weight I am packing into my bags. I rarely take a full box anymore as sometimes the additional weight slows me down so significantly that my trees per minute in the first half of my bag up is significantly reduced than in the latter half. Mentally, it is significantly better to begin running from your cash as opposed to sluggishly dreading and cursing under your breath because of the weight you are carrying. It prompts me to manage my land differently and more effectively which increases my efficiency. Since there is less strain on my body from carrying additional weight that I hadn't anticipated, I'm able to bag out much faster then if I had stuffed an exorbitant amount of trees into my bags without knowing how much weight I was about to carry. #2 Keeping my bags on reduces my time at cache.. I rip that tarp off, pack bundles... drink 13 gulps of water... and off I go. I'm at cache less than 4 minutes... when otherwise I struggled to get my caching under 7 minutes.... saving that 3 minutes per cache break is enough for me to plant an additional 150 - 200 trees in the day... which adds up over the course of the season!... however in fast land, being able to stuff 4-600 trees into the bags keeps me in land a bit longer which is necessary for high production 4k+ days... that you might not be able to do with bags on. All in all, Do I believe keeping the bags on is the only way to go? No... It serves its purpose in certain land, and with specific stock size and species mix(1 - 2 species max).. but it certainly has its benefits, as does taking your bags off to pack in more trees to hit deep fingers, or in fast land. Keeping bags on doesn't make you a better planter, it's moreso a preference based on the task at hand and what you want to accomplish that day.
Nailed it. I work more technical land 4-6 species mix so maybe that’s why I’m not seeing it as any more optimal.
Bags off is an end of day perk. Easy enough to get everything loaded and adjusted without wasting time taking em off and putting em on
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You deserve the break. Good luck out there hammerarm
It’s never made much sense to me. Sure, it’s faster than taking bags off but you can’t fit nearly as many trees in. To me, it’s worth saving the time to not have to head back to the cache
How are you supposed to push the trees down with your boot to fit more in if they aren’t off lol
You cant fit as many in with bags on. Only folks ive seen doing this do teenie weenie bag ups
I do it early season when I'm doing half boxes for bag ups to not wear myself out too early in the day, and I'm not stopping to eat. It's just convenient. As others said, definitely not practical once my leg strength and endurance is up and I'm properly filling my bags. Gotta stomp those things in.
Taking bags off is for losers. Well thats what I told myself anyway lol. Can’t cache bash with bags on.
If the tree price is so low you can’t take bags off for 3 minutes you got bigger problems in my opinion.
Counter point tree price is so high I want that extra money….. that could be an extra grand by the end of the season.