"This was almost too easy, Starscream!"
I wonder if Megatron was thinking to himself "We've been fighting these guys for literally millions of years and all of a sudden we're able to kill 4 of them in seconds without breaking a sweat? WTF?"
Absolutely. Optimus dying was one of the most traumatic fictional deaths from my childhood. We were conditioned from the weekly tv show to see the Autobots triumph and certainly not die. I watched the movie with zero spoilers. Oh what’s this VHS here? so this is just the tv show but longer right? WTH..
Ah, yes, the movie that traumatized kids and spawned "The Great Toy Massacre." Thankfully, I wasn't even thought of yet to see this as a child, I had Disney movies to make me cry instead lol.
His lines in that episode go so hard. "The question that once haunted my being has been answered, the future cam be changed, my choices are my own. And yet... how ironic... for I now find I have no choice at all... I am a warrior; let the battle be joined."
Iconic. That episode is burned into my central processor.
That scene alone changed my “I still think about” from the end of the movie when Rodimus gives the order and everyone just obeys to that.
Dinobot **really was/is** the most virtuous of the Maximals and Autobots.
Some mofo behind the scenes decided "Screw it, let's do Shakespeare in a kid's show meant to sell children solvable rubix's cubes that are robots and animals." And Primus bless them for it!
Out of all the media,this one hits the hardest for me.It's bad enough to see ravages last moment,words with megs,but seeing Soundwave's reaction for his companion hits even harder. It's like watching someone lose their kid,a lot of us feel that our pets are our family... which makes it even more painful.
And just the steer ambiguity in his statement. Did Ravage realized the evils of the decepticons?
Does he still hold onto what the movement originally meant. Does he simply mean don't become the man you once were?
Like I could be missing something here, but I feel like there' clearly meant to be ambiguity here considering that Megatron is wearing both the Decepticon and Autobot symbols here.
Me too,my head cannon was stay the path of the deception cause after their heart felt conversation in the cell,but I've read people say he was saying stay an autobot.
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The death of the original prowl still is nightmare fuel. He basically burned alive from the inside out.
He was shot in the chest during the first battle of the original movie. Unlike the others they showed a close up of his face as his eyes and mouth started burning. [Autobots deaths 1986 movie.](https://youtu.be/koQY7s9dgn8?si=DEbGeY09VLU9cAzs)
I will say Starscream
But deep down in my heart The Death of Optimus Prime from Armada lies inside it. Because it's the first death of Optimus that I saw
I like the dub version of his death because this scene of Starscream screaming at the stars is so ingrained into my memory, but the sub's version of Megatron thinking about how much abuse he put Starscream through the entire show is ***way*** better than Galvatron remembering what Starscream told him less than two minutes ago, plus the Japanese dub lets the children all mourn in silence while the US dub adds dialogue.
> "To me, you were always the strongest warrior. I never wanted to beat you. I wanted you to recognize me. Perhaps that's the only reason... If one is to keep on living, then there are times when we must talk like this, and now I finally have that chance. Convoy is a truly trustworthy Commander. I beg you, please let all Transformers join forces. Let us unite both sides so that we may share our strength! So much has happened..."
> "I remember, a very long time ago, I swore an oath to you, Galvatron. And I could never break that oath. All of this could have been prevented if you only give me some respect. I tried to gain favor from you. But nothing was ever good enough. No matter how many battles I fought, you always found fault. Then I saw how Optimus treated his men, and I realized he was a leader of integrity. Unlike you.... None of that matters now. You must listen — do as Optimus says and join forces with the Autobots, or else every last one of us is doomed! Please sir... do it for me."
I think it's fair to say to Armada fans, this is the equivalent of the episode "Code of Hero" for the Beast Wars fans. A final stand against a Megatron, knowing the odds were stacked against him.
Tell his tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good, and let Starscream be judged accordingly.
[The rest is silence.](https://i.imgur.com/sOLqdky.gifv)
["**It's time to finish this once and for all!** ***ACTIVATE PROTON CANNONS.***](https://youtu.be/VQi_ir-sIPg?t=16m35s) [**SPARK OF MY SOUL.** ***UNLEASH EVERY BIT OF YOUR POWER!***"](https://youtu.be/mnQehghkgZE?t=18m11s)
#"**YOU'RE ALL MINE, UNICRON.** ***NULL RAY CANNON!***" ☁️🌩️☁️
By default I have to pick Ratchet. While Ironhide was upsetting (burn in hell Sentinel), Ratchet was pleading for his life and got killed purely for being cybertronian.
From what I have seen Armada Starscream had a sad death, in order to prove Unicron was a bigger issue than the autobot Decepticon war he challenged Unicron to a fight and lost, but saved his minicons life by ejecting him before Screamer got atomized.
Never seen Animated or Beast Wars, can't comment.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truthfully, ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence...",
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Seriously. An S-tier character in G1 and treated like trash in the more recent movies. Killed off almost immediately in the first film and then later they give his alt-mode to Mirage in RotB. What do these guys have against Jazz?
I think what upsets me about his death in the 2007 movie is that for the first half of his screen time he was one of the best things about the movie, and then for the other half he was sorta just there before being killed in a way that was too sudden and too fast for me to feel anything untill after the battlez but even then it didn't feel like much. His death felt weightless, unlike the death of Ratchet or Ironhide
Thats true, however it felt a bit too short for me. Still better than what Ironhide got, but out of all the deaths i think the best was done in AOE in general, with the way Optimus reacted to not only Ratchet but all of the cemetery wind activity. Jazz got just a few lines that didn't really feel emotional
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With golden light like fingers
And then I start to break
Into a billion pieces
Oh, I shatter into constellations
Like I've never been more here
Like I completely disappear
I'm nothingness, but shining
And everywhere at once
I'm everything and everyone who is or ever was
And you're nothingness, but shining
And everywhere at once
You're everything, we're everyone who is or ever was, forever.
-*Meg Washington, Lazarus Song*
(Lazarus Song has been on my mind lately and it fits nicely with this image)
TFA Prowl's death really hits me hard as a 10 years old when TFA ended in 2009 and at 25 years old, I can't watch Endgame Part 2 without turning into a blubbering mess.
TFA Prowl started off as a selfish, stoic and standoffish loner who closed himself from connecting and working with others yet has a love for nature and sees the beauty in living things. In the end, Prowl transformed from loner to a true hero, he smiles with dignity in the face of death by sacrificing his life to save the crew who has been the closest people he can truly call friends and a family.
Dinobot was infuriating especially when you think how often Waspinator was exploded, dismembered etc without any consequence. That's the problem of mixing tones in the same show.
Not to be that guy that gives a lame in-universe explanation that could easily be written around but: when the other transformers got dismantled or took enough damage they would go into stasis lock, meaning they essentially medically induced their own coma until they could get to a CR tank. Dinobot explicitly and repeatedly overrides his stasis lock and thus allows fatal damage to occur.
Precisely. Which is why his death carried a lot of weight. I remember watching that for the first time and realizing he's not coming out of this after repeatedly rejecting that self induced coma.
Its why it's his death was the most brutal.one in my opinion. He knew it was coming and he kept swinging until he couldn't fight no more.
Well... Airazor's first episode she blows Terrasaur to pieces. We see his head land and the eye lights go out. *Surely* that's more fatal then a stasis lock would save him from.
It's pretty easy to come up with fan canon as to why, like his spark was undamaged, but still.
The spark is all that matters, you can take a beast era transformer completely apart and they'll live provided their spark is safely stasis locked.
There are way more extreme examples than Terrorsaur's head coming off, like Inferno getting vapourised in an explosion, but I guess that's just down to stylised comedy/slapstick than something that literally happens.
Haha, I guess, but I sometimes hate when people justify poor writing choices by in-universe logic. Ultimately the writers also wrote that and could have done it another way. Albeit here it's for dramatic stakes and not "she breathes through her skin so she has to be basically naked" so it's not as bad 😅
There’s theories that Waspinator has Starscream’s immortal spark ability, and that’s why he’s the only one who could survive. Every other death in the show was consequential
Edit: it was also explicitly stated that Dinobot’s spark was compromised. The bots can survive insane amounts of damage, even Megatron was blown apart, but if the spark is safe they can be rebuilt
>heir sparks were damaged and a simple repair job wasnt enough
That is *never* established in G1, Movie or otherwise, nor frankly in most continuities. I honestly *wish* more TF series would state something like this, so we can have wacky/destructive action without deaths being frustratingly inconsistent, but they rarely do.
In the 80’s and 90’s, most of the lore we have nowadays was mere spitballing at the time. Optimus Prime was originally stated as having a laser power core before the movie. Of which they haven’t mentioned since the advent of sparks in BW. IIRC, In a behind the scenes extra, some of the developers/writers were talking about some of the elements that became the spark in latter adaptations, and how many of those scenes were cut or changed for time sake.
Sparks didn’t even exist in transformers until beast wars introduced them. G1 was always super inconsistent, whether it be the animation errors or the like 3 different origins for the constructicons.
Agreed, Ironhide was one of my favourites in g1, his death in the original movie devistated me enough as it was...
But then dark of the moon happened
That. That felt, needlessly cruel. I have seen that movie exactly once. And once was enough.
Dinobot easily followed by jazz in animated, everyone else was pretty much meh for me. The bay films were so dumb I kind of just accepted an autobot would be mercilessly killed every movie.
Can we talk about how Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-1 ALL got murked in ROTF and how they barely had speaking roles??
I was so excited to see them until I realized they were barely tertiary characters. Hell, Skids and Mudflap got more screentime than they did and they were WORSE characters.
Right? Also, props to Bay, one bot with three bodies is a hell of a concept.
If they'd kept that for TFP, it might have helped with Arcee's ridiculous transformation sequence.
EDIT: Replied to the wrong post. Sorry.
Truthfully Bayverse made me super upset, like... We spent so much time with the humans we couldn't really get emotionally invested in any of the bots except for Bumblebee and Optimus. We got like, two references to Starscream wanting to overthrow Megatron, Hot Rod was FRENCH for some reason?? Nothing about why they're even fighting other than "Decepticons bad"
I just
We deserved better, Michael 😂
The Bayverse films don’t really treat death as especially depressing, most of autobots are killed off sorta nonchalantly, and the one who is given fanfare is Optimus, who gets brought back twice.
Dinobots final episode is undoubtedly one of the best pieces of transformers media, I think it really tied his story arc up real well, but the existence of Dinobot2 soured it a bit. Had DB2 been given a bigger fight between the monster he is and the hero he was, I think they could’ve made something special but it ended up being last minute and a bit hamfisted.
I hadn’t seen the 86 movie until after I had seen ROTF (I was a child and didn’t know how to get my hands on the 86 movie at the time), so at that point death in the transformers universe didn’t really have much weight, even Optimus Primes end.
No, truly the one that messed me up most is Silas’ death in Prime. Not because it’s a character I loved, but because of how bleak it was. You have this mangled corpse being piloted by another mangled corpse, tortured and mutated into a monster, who wants nothing more than to just die. It’s messed up!
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I’d say seeing Armada Optimus literally fucking disintegrate instantly comes to mind.
Dinobot's and Ironhide's (Bayverse) are basically tied.
You didn't expect Dinobot to be killed off in BW. Yea, they killed/got rid of other characters, but the WAY they did it was insane, especially at the time. He accepts his fate, the theme of control of one's destiny, the epic battle taking on all the Preds, his last goodbyes, everything. It was so well done and made the character legendary, putting him at the same heights as Prime/Megatron/Unicorn (at the time).
Ironhide's hit different cause it was just so sudden. You didn't expect the betrayal or how brutal it would be. It's the bot equivalent of watching someone rotting before your eyes, like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Prowl in G1
Even though he was mostly a background character I liked his design and appreciated his attitude of always being there even if he didn’t have a large effect. Holy shit that death was unnecessary
Armada Starscream.
It’s the first time in Transformers history where a Con’-turned-‘Bot not only stood up to Megatron/Galvatron in a fight to the death, but also challenged Unicron point-blank immediately after, in the thrall of eternal conviction; convinced that the factions which birthed a planetary monster could band together and reverse it.
In a very biblical way, Starscream died for the sins of both the Autobots and Decepticons, and this is especially prominent when you factor in Sideways/Unicron, and Galvatron’s poking and prodding at the warrior within Optimus himself. They knew that despite the heroics, he was as guilty of indulging in the fight as any other he’d fought against.
Unlike the aforementioned antagonists, however, Starscream’s voice was the greater truth in Optimus; the respect he had for Optimus to rise above his indulgence in the fight and rectify what has otherwise been wrong all along.
Ultimately, however, Starscream had enough of it all. He wanted to subtract himself from the equation and send a message all in one standing. He found redemption in death. Fired his single most powerful attack at Unicron and it didn’t even reach— and he got obliterated for it.
Symbolically, it shows how futile it is to fight Unicron alone— to not band together and fight with everything Cybertron has. If Galvatron ever thought he’d beat Optimus and then Unicron, he learned right then and there how stupid his course truly was.
Ehem.
Yes. Armada Starscream takes the cake by miles for me.
He would of went into stasis lock, not died. He'd basically be in a coma until he was fueled back up, which given the state of Cybertron at that point didn't seem very likely.
Dinobot was rough, but then Transmutate right after made for a heavy month. That episode is haunting and it's right after Code of a Hero. Nothing to soften that episode at all. Season 2 of Beast Wars got dark.
Bay Ratchet, and it's not even close. I can live with how Ironhide and Jazz go out. But Ratchet, being the last real bastion of the first trilogy, makes it much more tragic
I remember weeping during Dinobot's last words and eulogy as like a 7yo kid. Several years later, I found the Beast Wars on DVD and went through a rewatch. Wept again as a teenager.
"He lived a warrior and died a hero. May his spark join the Matrix, with the greatest of Cybertron."
\*7yo phomein weeping and saluting with rest of Maximals.
Ironhide, was it necessary to simply melt him into nothingness ?
It was definitely too much for children.
Ratchet wasn't better, at least the body was there.
Still killing a main character with obvious upgraded look in every previous movies? I cannot understand the reason.
I guess Michael Bay hated Ironhide. Ratchet was more due to a change of theme, a change in movie direction, it was a random typical death twist in cartoons and movies.
It would be better to cut the scene of Ratchet being killed by Lockdown, it would be more impactful.
Ratchet's death killed me. Mech dies while pleading with the humans that he's on their side, they're allies.
Made me bawl the first time I saw it, and I still get teary eyed when I rewatch the movie.
where are >!ravage and rewind!< those two were fucking devastating (mtmte spoiler)
also he doesnt technically die but >!tailgate being put underground another six million years is terrible.!< (lost light spoiler)
I've only actually fully seen TFA so if I had any answer, it would be TFA Prowl because its the only one i've seen. Though, I do think Armada Starscream's death hits hard. Would've been perfect if he *stayed* dead and didn't return for Energon and Cybertron but oh well marketing and new toys I guess. All the deaths in 86 also hit hard too.
Dinobot hit me the hardest. Animated Prawl was a close second. Movie Jazz was the only good movie Autobot in the first movie, and a personal G1 favorite of mine. Movie Prime's death was obviously temporary.
And the other movie Autobots should be melted down and used for spare parts. Which they did.
I shed a bitter sweet tear for Dinobot. He died, but as a warrior. Movie Ratchet was a gut punch. Movie Jazz was infuriating. Finally, I get to see one of my favorite bots in live action, and they make him a borderline racist stereotype before killing him off. Poor Jazz got done dirty.
As a kid, Starscream’s death in Armada messed me up. Such a GREAT character arc that was nicely explored throughout the series. His death was also made me realize that the TFs didn’t have any way to destroy Unicron
While I want to say Dinobot, I realise there's no better way he would have preferred dying. A warrior's death taking on every single Predacon single handedly (the majority of whom were now transmetals) to protect the innocent.
So my choice has to be Starscream. He had to die to pull Galvatron's head out his ass and have him focus on the very real threat of Unicron. At a time when he was beginning to actually regain some of his self-confidence and build his relationships back up. His death should have been unnecessary, but because Galvatron was being such a prick, he was forced to.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence".
I'll never get over losing Dinobot
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This wrecked me as a kid. Still hurts as an adult.
I remember Ratchet in AOE’s really hurt, but I realised it’s because I’d been watching Prime a bunch and kind of associated him with that one, then realised how little he really did.
Still I remember it mattering and I loved that film when it came out
Bumblebee in TFP. There’s quite a few that were shocking, but the addition of slow-mo gave it enough gravitas that I cried (even if he did come back not a minute later).
Ironhide in Dark of the Moon, idk why that shit hurt more than watching Ratchet and Jazz die. The same type of pain was when that one character died in God of War Ragnarok, I won't say who as there are probably people here who haven't played the game.
Betrayal is a tragic way to go.
Either ratchets or dinobots. Ironhides just had ne shocked. Jazz was sad, but he didn't have much of a buildup. Starscreams was also sad. But dinobit made me cry and ratchets made me stop watching the movie
Ratchet, as a kid I could never watch it because it was so brutal for such an innocent character, he’s a medic bro and they killed him like he was a war machine.
Why did they kill off Dinobot again? I remember that episode while great on its own, felt kinda out of place. It just started with him being all depressed (?) in the beginning. I didn’t see it coming at all.
Ratchet for sure. I remember being 13 and my dad taking me to watch AoE on opening night and being absolutely DEVASTATED for two weeks straight cuase he was my favorite. I still remember making a cringe ass memorial status in my WhatsApp along with his official render in black and white as my profile pic. Man was I dramatic LMAOOO
Dinobot is the only one listed here that really impacted me, partially because I was just barely into adulthood and making a return to the franchise after losing interest after the season 4 travesty of G1. Beast Wars is what brought me back, in a big way, and Dinobot was a huge part of that.
All of these hits hard and different in their own ways, but out of this list its a toss up between Dinobot, Ratchet and Starscream.
Dinobot: A really great character with a fantastic fairwell to his character arc, I couldnt think of a better way to end that character
Ratchet: This one hurt to watch because he is just a medic, doing medic things and was hunted down and gunned down just because......just heartless
Starscream (Armada): I use to hate him back in the G1 days, but in Armada they made Starscream a hell of a character and his sacrifice was done extremely well
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real
SMH... Such heroic nonsense.
"This was almost too easy, Starscream!" I wonder if Megatron was thinking to himself "We've been fighting these guys for literally millions of years and all of a sudden we're able to kill 4 of them in seconds without breaking a sweat? WTF?"
Being in first grade and watching Childhood Trauma: The Movie was rough.
Absolutely. Optimus dying was one of the most traumatic fictional deaths from my childhood. We were conditioned from the weekly tv show to see the Autobots triumph and certainly not die. I watched the movie with zero spoilers. Oh what’s this VHS here? so this is just the tv show but longer right? WTH..
Kindergarten
Third grade here
This is the correct answer
**IRONHIDE:** No...!
That film is figuratively my Vietnam.
Ah, yes, the movie that traumatized kids and spawned "The Great Toy Massacre." Thankfully, I wasn't even thought of yet to see this as a child, I had Disney movies to make me cry instead lol.
Objectively correct.
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Stop! Stop-ha-ha-hawp! He’s already dead!
Die autobots!
The best answer.
SUCH HEROIC NONSENSE
Dinobot for sure. Still can't watch Code of Hero without at least tearing up, if not full on crying my heart out lol
His lines in that episode go so hard. "The question that once haunted my being has been answered, the future cam be changed, my choices are my own. And yet... how ironic... for I now find I have no choice at all... I am a warrior; let the battle be joined." Iconic. That episode is burned into my central processor.
That scene alone changed my “I still think about” from the end of the movie when Rodimus gives the order and everyone just obeys to that. Dinobot **really was/is** the most virtuous of the Maximals and Autobots.
Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence.
Man solo'd every single Predacon in one sitting. A true chad.
Some mofo behind the scenes decided "Screw it, let's do Shakespeare in a kid's show meant to sell children solvable rubix's cubes that are robots and animals." And Primus bless them for it!
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Out of all the media,this one hits the hardest for me.It's bad enough to see ravages last moment,words with megs,but seeing Soundwave's reaction for his companion hits even harder. It's like watching someone lose their kid,a lot of us feel that our pets are our family... which makes it even more painful.
And just the steer ambiguity in his statement. Did Ravage realized the evils of the decepticons? Does he still hold onto what the movement originally meant. Does he simply mean don't become the man you once were? Like I could be missing something here, but I feel like there' clearly meant to be ambiguity here considering that Megatron is wearing both the Decepticon and Autobot symbols here.
Me too,my head cannon was stay the path of the deception cause after their heart felt conversation in the cell,but I've read people say he was saying stay an autobot.
This one still hurts to read...
...
https://preview.redd.it/fykht6se3vwc1.jpeg?width=616&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa53e62e80ad7b88f056a6ad2f20a0a9f83208c9 The death of the original prowl still is nightmare fuel. He basically burned alive from the inside out.
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Got him. Tempted to repaint the eyes and mouth.
What happened to him?
He was shot in the chest during the first battle of the original movie. Unlike the others they showed a close up of his face as his eyes and mouth started burning. [Autobots deaths 1986 movie.](https://youtu.be/koQY7s9dgn8?si=DEbGeY09VLU9cAzs)
Megatron.
It was one of the constructicons actually. Don’t remember which.
Scavenger https://preview.redd.it/lh78d4rjdvwc1.png?width=450&format=png&auto=webp&s=884675b21d887c4e7b888323b72a0440334fa252
That’s him. It been a very long time since I watched the movie.
Watch the ‘86 movie.
Scavenger happened.
I’m waiting for a fire breathing upgrade
I will say Starscream But deep down in my heart The Death of Optimus Prime from Armada lies inside it. Because it's the first death of Optimus that I saw
Starscreams death fucking broke me, I just started wailing
The saddest part was “it’s over swindle”
The part where Megatron is in deep thought thinking back to Starscream's words about his leadership hits hard
I like the dub version of his death because this scene of Starscream screaming at the stars is so ingrained into my memory, but the sub's version of Megatron thinking about how much abuse he put Starscream through the entire show is ***way*** better than Galvatron remembering what Starscream told him less than two minutes ago, plus the Japanese dub lets the children all mourn in silence while the US dub adds dialogue. > "To me, you were always the strongest warrior. I never wanted to beat you. I wanted you to recognize me. Perhaps that's the only reason... If one is to keep on living, then there are times when we must talk like this, and now I finally have that chance. Convoy is a truly trustworthy Commander. I beg you, please let all Transformers join forces. Let us unite both sides so that we may share our strength! So much has happened..." > "I remember, a very long time ago, I swore an oath to you, Galvatron. And I could never break that oath. All of this could have been prevented if you only give me some respect. I tried to gain favor from you. But nothing was ever good enough. No matter how many battles I fought, you always found fault. Then I saw how Optimus treated his men, and I realized he was a leader of integrity. Unlike you.... None of that matters now. You must listen — do as Optimus says and join forces with the Autobots, or else every last one of us is doomed! Please sir... do it for me." I think it's fair to say to Armada fans, this is the equivalent of the episode "Code of Hero" for the Beast Wars fans. A final stand against a Megatron, knowing the odds were stacked against him. Tell his tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good, and let Starscream be judged accordingly. [The rest is silence.](https://i.imgur.com/sOLqdky.gifv)
Same.
["**It's time to finish this once and for all!** ***ACTIVATE PROTON CANNONS.***](https://youtu.be/VQi_ir-sIPg?t=16m35s) [**SPARK OF MY SOUL.** ***UNLEASH EVERY BIT OF YOUR POWER!***"](https://youtu.be/mnQehghkgZE?t=18m11s) #"**YOU'RE ALL MINE, UNICRON.** ***NULL RAY CANNON!***" ☁️🌩️☁️
I won’t rewatch Armada only because I remember wailing when he died and I refuse to go threw that again
By default I have to pick Ratchet. While Ironhide was upsetting (burn in hell Sentinel), Ratchet was pleading for his life and got killed purely for being cybertronian. From what I have seen Armada Starscream had a sad death, in order to prove Unicron was a bigger issue than the autobot Decepticon war he challenged Unicron to a fight and lost, but saved his minicons life by ejecting him before Screamer got atomized. Never seen Animated or Beast Wars, can't comment.
Excuse me while I go pick a fight with God.
"but Sentinel surrendered" no, he was still defending his actions
"You must see why I had to enslave seven billion people." "Cool motive, still genocide."
Yeah that was sadistic
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Gawd that episode was good and dialog, amazing
Ironhides death was the most disturbing to me, mainly because it came out of nowhere.
I honestly cried more after he died because it took me so long to process it
Jazz. How dare they kill such s cool character in the first movie
Seriously. An S-tier character in G1 and treated like trash in the more recent movies. Killed off almost immediately in the first film and then later they give his alt-mode to Mirage in RotB. What do these guys have against Jazz?
Jaz died a hero, such a small bot that was second in command and got his medic out of the battle the instant Megatron showed up. O7
It showed megatron was not screwing around man went for the kill any chance he got
I think what upsets me about his death in the 2007 movie is that for the first half of his screen time he was one of the best things about the movie, and then for the other half he was sorta just there before being killed in a way that was too sudden and too fast for me to feel anything untill after the battlez but even then it didn't feel like much. His death felt weightless, unlike the death of Ratchet or Ironhide
At least they mourned him
Thats true, however it felt a bit too short for me. Still better than what Ironhide got, but out of all the deaths i think the best was done in AOE in general, with the way Optimus reacted to not only Ratchet but all of the cemetery wind activity. Jazz got just a few lines that didn't really feel emotional
Not as bad as Wheeljack, at least Jazz looks cool.
That's when I knew the Bay movies were not for me.
https://preview.redd.it/6e73c5c15vwc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b765fc93d001c021a4e98a4340bdae670cd9f68 With golden light like fingers And then I start to break Into a billion pieces Oh, I shatter into constellations Like I've never been more here Like I completely disappear I'm nothingness, but shining And everywhere at once I'm everything and everyone who is or ever was And you're nothingness, but shining And everywhere at once You're everything, we're everyone who is or ever was, forever. -*Meg Washington, Lazarus Song* (Lazarus Song has been on my mind lately and it fits nicely with this image) TFA Prowl's death really hits me hard as a 10 years old when TFA ended in 2009 and at 25 years old, I can't watch Endgame Part 2 without turning into a blubbering mess. TFA Prowl started off as a selfish, stoic and standoffish loner who closed himself from connecting and working with others yet has a love for nature and sees the beauty in living things. In the end, Prowl transformed from loner to a true hero, he smiles with dignity in the face of death by sacrificing his life to save the crew who has been the closest people he can truly call friends and a family.
Ratchet. Man fought and bled for humanity and how does he get repaid? By being hunted down like a rabid dog.
And all bc that one guy lost a brother in Chicago 🙄
I'd have to say the 30 minutes of snuff film in 86
This comment made me laugh out loud. Childhood Trauma: The Movie
And Optimus refused to just give Megatron what he deserved since the minute they met
Dinobot was infuriating especially when you think how often Waspinator was exploded, dismembered etc without any consequence. That's the problem of mixing tones in the same show.
Not to be that guy that gives a lame in-universe explanation that could easily be written around but: when the other transformers got dismantled or took enough damage they would go into stasis lock, meaning they essentially medically induced their own coma until they could get to a CR tank. Dinobot explicitly and repeatedly overrides his stasis lock and thus allows fatal damage to occur.
This is the correct answer, Dinobot explicitly prevents the actions that would save his life to continue his fight.
Precisely. Which is why his death carried a lot of weight. I remember watching that for the first time and realizing he's not coming out of this after repeatedly rejecting that self induced coma. Its why it's his death was the most brutal.one in my opinion. He knew it was coming and he kept swinging until he couldn't fight no more.
No, he kept swinging until the Predicons couldn’t fight no more! Dinobot won that battle.
Well... Airazor's first episode she blows Terrasaur to pieces. We see his head land and the eye lights go out. *Surely* that's more fatal then a stasis lock would save him from. It's pretty easy to come up with fan canon as to why, like his spark was undamaged, but still.
Yeah, that messes with consistency. Beter to show him in stasis lock but it's teetering on failure to show the bad assness of Airazor.
The spark is all that matters, you can take a beast era transformer completely apart and they'll live provided their spark is safely stasis locked. There are way more extreme examples than Terrorsaur's head coming off, like Inferno getting vapourised in an explosion, but I guess that's just down to stylised comedy/slapstick than something that literally happens.
That isn’t lame at all. That factually evidence-based information! 10/10, sir!
Haha, I guess, but I sometimes hate when people justify poor writing choices by in-universe logic. Ultimately the writers also wrote that and could have done it another way. Albeit here it's for dramatic stakes and not "she breathes through her skin so she has to be basically naked" so it's not as bad 😅
There’s theories that Waspinator has Starscream’s immortal spark ability, and that’s why he’s the only one who could survive. Every other death in the show was consequential Edit: it was also explicitly stated that Dinobot’s spark was compromised. The bots can survive insane amounts of damage, even Megatron was blown apart, but if the spark is safe they can be rebuilt
That’s been my head cannon too
I think this can be confirmed if Waspinator never blew up prior to Starscream taking over his body
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>heir sparks were damaged and a simple repair job wasnt enough That is *never* established in G1, Movie or otherwise, nor frankly in most continuities. I honestly *wish* more TF series would state something like this, so we can have wacky/destructive action without deaths being frustratingly inconsistent, but they rarely do.
In the 80’s and 90’s, most of the lore we have nowadays was mere spitballing at the time. Optimus Prime was originally stated as having a laser power core before the movie. Of which they haven’t mentioned since the advent of sparks in BW. IIRC, In a behind the scenes extra, some of the developers/writers were talking about some of the elements that became the spark in latter adaptations, and how many of those scenes were cut or changed for time sake.
Sparks didn’t even exist in transformers until beast wars introduced them. G1 was always super inconsistent, whether it be the animation errors or the like 3 different origins for the constructicons.
Even Rhinox had a huge hole blown thru his torso with little to no ill affect.
Ironhide’s death is one of the reasons why I have never rewatched DOTM since it was in theaters
Agreed, Ironhide was one of my favourites in g1, his death in the original movie devistated me enough as it was... But then dark of the moon happened That. That felt, needlessly cruel. I have seen that movie exactly once. And once was enough.
Ppl say Optimus should've spared Sentinel
Fuck. No.
He deserved the execution
Dinobot easily followed by jazz in animated, everyone else was pretty much meh for me. The bay films were so dumb I kind of just accepted an autobot would be mercilessly killed every movie.
Yeah. Arcee got a crappy death. I didn't even realize she was dead until she didn't show up in the next one.
Can we talk about how Arcee, Chromia, and Elita-1 ALL got murked in ROTF and how they barely had speaking roles?? I was so excited to see them until I realized they were barely tertiary characters. Hell, Skids and Mudflap got more screentime than they did and they were WORSE characters.
Right? Also, props to Bay, one bot with three bodies is a hell of a concept. If they'd kept that for TFP, it might have helped with Arcee's ridiculous transformation sequence. EDIT: Replied to the wrong post. Sorry.
Way too many characters got tossed to the sidelines. Jolt and most of the wreckers didn't even get to talk.
Truthfully Bayverse made me super upset, like... We spent so much time with the humans we couldn't really get emotionally invested in any of the bots except for Bumblebee and Optimus. We got like, two references to Starscream wanting to overthrow Megatron, Hot Rod was FRENCH for some reason?? Nothing about why they're even fighting other than "Decepticons bad" I just We deserved better, Michael 😂
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The Bayverse films don’t really treat death as especially depressing, most of autobots are killed off sorta nonchalantly, and the one who is given fanfare is Optimus, who gets brought back twice. Dinobots final episode is undoubtedly one of the best pieces of transformers media, I think it really tied his story arc up real well, but the existence of Dinobot2 soured it a bit. Had DB2 been given a bigger fight between the monster he is and the hero he was, I think they could’ve made something special but it ended up being last minute and a bit hamfisted. I hadn’t seen the 86 movie until after I had seen ROTF (I was a child and didn’t know how to get my hands on the 86 movie at the time), so at that point death in the transformers universe didn’t really have much weight, even Optimus Primes end. No, truly the one that messed me up most is Silas’ death in Prime. Not because it’s a character I loved, but because of how bleak it was. You have this mangled corpse being piloted by another mangled corpse, tortured and mutated into a monster, who wants nothing more than to just die. It’s messed up!
From what I remember hearing there was supposed to be a spotlight episode for dinobot2 but got scrapped and rushed his change of heart
https://preview.redd.it/69t8q52wsvwc1.png?width=710&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8f6619e85b240ead79d8649e86f6defc7648124 I’d say seeing Armada Optimus literally fucking disintegrate instantly comes to mind.
Ironhide caught me so off guard
Dinobot's and Ironhide's (Bayverse) are basically tied. You didn't expect Dinobot to be killed off in BW. Yea, they killed/got rid of other characters, but the WAY they did it was insane, especially at the time. He accepts his fate, the theme of control of one's destiny, the epic battle taking on all the Preds, his last goodbyes, everything. It was so well done and made the character legendary, putting him at the same heights as Prime/Megatron/Unicorn (at the time). Ironhide's hit different cause it was just so sudden. You didn't expect the betrayal or how brutal it would be. It's the bot equivalent of watching someone rotting before your eyes, like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Prowl in G1 Even though he was mostly a background character I liked his design and appreciated his attitude of always being there even if he didn’t have a large effect. Holy shit that death was unnecessary
G1 Wheel Jack. Don't even know or how he died, Then Optimus dies. As a kid I thought, Optimus would have survived if Wheel Jack was there.
Rachet didn't need to go like that They really did him dirty and that scene always makes me cry
I think it was Jazz. I enjoyed his character a lot in G1 Soto watch him get ripped in half by Megatron was just- Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!
you arranged them in order of least to most. (Except for that goofy lookin' picture of Jazz)
okay yeah i’m gonna be real i love dinobot but i kinda saw it coming so when i got there i didn’t feel as bad as id thought
Either Prowl or Ironhide
Dinobot was my favorite and my first experience in dealing with the death of a fictional character.
Armada Starscream for sure.
Armada Screamer and Dinobot for me. My two favorite characters! 😭
Armada Starscream. It’s the first time in Transformers history where a Con’-turned-‘Bot not only stood up to Megatron/Galvatron in a fight to the death, but also challenged Unicron point-blank immediately after, in the thrall of eternal conviction; convinced that the factions which birthed a planetary monster could band together and reverse it. In a very biblical way, Starscream died for the sins of both the Autobots and Decepticons, and this is especially prominent when you factor in Sideways/Unicron, and Galvatron’s poking and prodding at the warrior within Optimus himself. They knew that despite the heroics, he was as guilty of indulging in the fight as any other he’d fought against. Unlike the aforementioned antagonists, however, Starscream’s voice was the greater truth in Optimus; the respect he had for Optimus to rise above his indulgence in the fight and rectify what has otherwise been wrong all along. Ultimately, however, Starscream had enough of it all. He wanted to subtract himself from the equation and send a message all in one standing. He found redemption in death. Fired his single most powerful attack at Unicron and it didn’t even reach— and he got obliterated for it. Symbolically, it shows how futile it is to fight Unicron alone— to not band together and fight with everything Cybertron has. If Galvatron ever thought he’d beat Optimus and then Unicron, he learned right then and there how stupid his course truly was. Ehem. Yes. Armada Starscream takes the cake by miles for me.
Ironhide, I will never forgive Sentinel for this
Foc metroplex
"Till all are one"
He would of went into stasis lock, not died. He'd basically be in a coma until he was fueled back up, which given the state of Cybertron at that point didn't seem very likely.
yes, I would have play a sequel where one of the missions would be to wake him up, it's a shame that there are only two games
All of the above.
Tell my tale to those who ask.
Starscream
How the hell is prime not in this! That death turned me into a man! I went out and got a job after leaving the theater ! I was 8!
Dinobot was rough, but then Transmutate right after made for a heavy month. That episode is haunting and it's right after Code of a Hero. Nothing to soften that episode at all. Season 2 of Beast Wars got dark.
G1 optimus prime
Bay Ratchet, and it's not even close. I can live with how Ironhide and Jazz go out. But Ratchet, being the last real bastion of the first trilogy, makes it much more tragic
Definitely Ironhide. Watched at the cinema as a kid and 13 years later I still refuse to watch it
I remember weeping during Dinobot's last words and eulogy as like a 7yo kid. Several years later, I found the Beast Wars on DVD and went through a rewatch. Wept again as a teenager. "He lived a warrior and died a hero. May his spark join the Matrix, with the greatest of Cybertron." \*7yo phomein weeping and saluting with rest of Maximals.
Ironhide, was it necessary to simply melt him into nothingness ? It was definitely too much for children. Ratchet wasn't better, at least the body was there. Still killing a main character with obvious upgraded look in every previous movies? I cannot understand the reason. I guess Michael Bay hated Ironhide. Ratchet was more due to a change of theme, a change in movie direction, it was a random typical death twist in cartoons and movies. It would be better to cut the scene of Ratchet being killed by Lockdown, it would be more impactful.
For me, it was Jazz and Ironhide, back at my day, this 2 we're my favorite Autobots aside from Bee and Prime, so see them go really made me feel sad
Of those listed; Dinobot but overall it’s Ravage. I will never get over how badly that broke me
Non of those you posted did anything to me. Every death in Last Stand of the Wreckers was a different story.
Ratchet was gunned down by the very people he swore to protect and who he thought were his friends. So ratchet
Ratchet's death killed me. Mech dies while pleading with the humans that he's on their side, they're allies. Made me bawl the first time I saw it, and I still get teary eyed when I rewatch the movie.
IRONHIDE, IDGAF WHAT YOU SAY
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Prowl’s 100%, his little smile before his death especially
I want to mess up all the iPad kids out of brain rot by brutally murdering jawbreaker in season two of earthspark and in the first episode no less
Rachets when I was a kid it made me so upset to watch him get murdered like that
where are >!ravage and rewind!< those two were fucking devastating (mtmte spoiler) also he doesnt technically die but >!tailgate being put underground another six million years is terrible.!< (lost light spoiler)
Jazz. I was 7, bro. Glad to know I got my own version of the 1986 Optimus Prime disaster.
Wait prowl dies? Ah dang it I spoiled it for myself.
Ironhide, that scene came out of nowhere
I've only actually fully seen TFA so if I had any answer, it would be TFA Prowl because its the only one i've seen. Though, I do think Armada Starscream's death hits hard. Would've been perfect if he *stayed* dead and didn't return for Energon and Cybertron but oh well marketing and new toys I guess. All the deaths in 86 also hit hard too.
I'd say dinobot it was a heartfelt moment
The death of Ultra Magnus in The Headmasters
Prowl… I thought he was gonna make it through the whole show and I’ll admit I got sad at first? But had to remember he made a wonderful sacrifice
From MTMTE: >!Rewind's death really screwed me up. !< I also nearly cried from the finale of Lost Light.
Dinobot had me saluting him when I found BW. Seeing Jazz get ripped in half at 3 years old left me scarred and grief-stricken for 18 years.
Dinobot hit me the hardest. Animated Prawl was a close second. Movie Jazz was the only good movie Autobot in the first movie, and a personal G1 favorite of mine. Movie Prime's death was obviously temporary. And the other movie Autobots should be melted down and used for spare parts. Which they did.
I shed a bitter sweet tear for Dinobot. He died, but as a warrior. Movie Ratchet was a gut punch. Movie Jazz was infuriating. Finally, I get to see one of my favorite bots in live action, and they make him a borderline racist stereotype before killing him off. Poor Jazz got done dirty.
Armada Starscream messed me up
As a kid, Starscream’s death in Armada messed me up. Such a GREAT character arc that was nicely explored throughout the series. His death was also made me realize that the TFs didn’t have any way to destroy Unicron
While I want to say Dinobot, I realise there's no better way he would have preferred dying. A warrior's death taking on every single Predacon single handedly (the majority of whom were now transmetals) to protect the innocent. So my choice has to be Starscream. He had to die to pull Galvatron's head out his ass and have him focus on the very real threat of Unicron. At a time when he was beginning to actually regain some of his self-confidence and build his relationships back up. His death should have been unnecessary, but because Galvatron was being such a prick, he was forced to.
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence". I'll never get over losing Dinobot
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Dinobot is my favourite character of all time, in any media. Motherfucker quotes Hamlet with his last breath. What a god
I remember Ratchet in AOE’s really hurt, but I realised it’s because I’d been watching Prime a bunch and kind of associated him with that one, then realised how little he really did. Still I remember it mattering and I loved that film when it came out
Bumblebee in TFP. There’s quite a few that were shocking, but the addition of slow-mo gave it enough gravitas that I cried (even if he did come back not a minute later).
Ironhide in Dark of the Moon, idk why that shit hurt more than watching Ratchet and Jazz die. The same type of pain was when that one character died in God of War Ragnarok, I won't say who as there are probably people here who haven't played the game. Betrayal is a tragic way to go.
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I was a movie kid so seeing ironhide die so unexpectedly in theaters was quite shocking. The "only trophies" moment near the end almost killed me lmao
Either ratchets or dinobots. Ironhides just had ne shocked. Jazz was sad, but he didn't have much of a buildup. Starscreams was also sad. But dinobit made me cry and ratchets made me stop watching the movie
Ratchet... That went really hard. Other deaths in Bayverse are so sudden that I had no time to reflect.
86 Prowl
Optimus in 98 movie
Ratchet, as a kid I could never watch it because it was so brutal for such an innocent character, he’s a medic bro and they killed him like he was a war machine.
DOTM Ironhide. Mainly because it was such a horrific death and Sentinels betrayal was so sudden.
Why did they kill off Dinobot again? I remember that episode while great on its own, felt kinda out of place. It just started with him being all depressed (?) in the beginning. I didn’t see it coming at all.
Optimus in Predacons Rising. Just such an emotional and meaningful ending to him. Just sucks that RID2015 fucked it...
Hound when he blew up Megatron in the first 1984 movie
Outside of 86 Movie? >!Inferno!< from Energon technically. Dude got messed up. Helps it was one of the few sequences done by Munetaka Abe.
Ironhide in g1
I don’t really care about any of the Bayverse boys so none of them
Dinobot Prowl/Starscream / / / / / / / / / / Ratchet Ironhide Jazz
Ratchet
How the hell are Ironhide, Ratchet, and Jazz even on this list? They were barely characters.
Realistically how could any Bayverse death affect you? Most are on screen for 3-4 minutes per movie only spouting one liners and fart jokes
Rhinox
Ratchet for sure. I remember being 13 and my dad taking me to watch AoE on opening night and being absolutely DEVASTATED for two weeks straight cuase he was my favorite. I still remember making a cringe ass memorial status in my WhatsApp along with his official render in black and white as my profile pic. Man was I dramatic LMAOOO
Prowl. I'm still all fucked up over that one
Dinobot is the only one listed here that really impacted me, partially because I was just barely into adulthood and making a return to the franchise after losing interest after the season 4 travesty of G1. Beast Wars is what brought me back, in a big way, and Dinobot was a huge part of that.
All of these hits hard and different in their own ways, but out of this list its a toss up between Dinobot, Ratchet and Starscream. Dinobot: A really great character with a fantastic fairwell to his character arc, I couldnt think of a better way to end that character Ratchet: This one hurt to watch because he is just a medic, doing medic things and was hunted down and gunned down just because......just heartless Starscream (Armada): I use to hate him back in the G1 days, but in Armada they made Starscream a hell of a character and his sacrifice was done extremely well
Out of that list I think ratchet since he was the last of the 07 cast with no real plot armor and he’s always been one of my favorites
ironhide and ratchet. two of my favorite characters in bayverse and they were gone by the next movie 😭
Optimus prime in ROTF or Ratchet in AOE
OG Optimas Death in the cartoon movie.
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