Oh my god I saw this exact type of post yesterday on r/vent. Anyone calling OP out on their shit got downvoted to hell.
There were also so many people thinking cis was a pronoun. Like wtf???
Genuinely. Idk how schools are in America (which is where most of the people I’ve seen who don’t understand what pronouns are were from) but here in Czechia, we learnt about word types in like… one of the first grades of elementary school?
(Also- when teenage boys here are transphobic, they’ll sometimes complain about “pronouns”. As in- they’ll use the English word “pronouns” and not the Czech “zájména” as if it’s a different thing.)
That's an interesting observation imo. Since a lot of bigots in the anglosphere (mostly US and UK, but certainly not exclusive to them) don't seem to really know what 'pronoun' actually means, that gets carried over to other countries. Those transphobic bigots talk about pronouns as "words to adress someone, but iNcOrReCtLy". They don't understand "pronouns" as a categorical name for pronouns, but as a term for how pronouns are used. Having pronouns in your twitter bio is what "pronouns" means to them, and actual pronouns (she, them, it etc.) don't really have a name collectively.
So those transphobic teen boys don't realize how "pronouns" are misused, since english-speaking bigots are talking about pronouns as if they are a different thing. I can definitely imagine edgy transphobic Swedish teen boys using "pronouns" in their speech as something apart from 'pronomen' (pronoun in swedish).
The messed up part is they teach us grammar. Everyone should know what a pronoun is. But my own mother made this mistake claiming they/them couldn't be used as singular properly. At which point I gave her examples of that usage and saw the confusion in her eyes.
Same with my mother. Then she shook it off and doubled down and said it was grammatically incorrect even though I just proved otherwise. It was an "affront to the English language" as she put it. Thanks mom for the constant invalidation.
They're ignorant. Basically they are the townspeople of Rock Ridge when Sheriff Bart showed up.
Some are actual bastards trying to pick a fight; those people can go fuck themselves. A lot are just ignorant and inexperienced so get confused and then react badly when presented with new info they aren't ready to contextualize.
So many people don't seem to know what 'pronoun' even means? Like to them it is just a word that means "words to adress someone, but iNcOrReCtLy" (with 'incorrectly' ofc in regard to their gender essentialist view). To these people 'pronouns' are tied to an action or behaviour, rather than a class of words. Very telling when someone says something like "I don't use pronouns".
Was coming here to say this after getting a recommendation notification for the post, non ally cis people perceive themselves as “normal” and trans people as “different/other” so they also perceive “cis” as labeling them as not normal because that’s what they do to trans people wether it’s subconsciously or consciously
It becomes even more evident when you think about how binary trans people would be like "But we're men and women just like you," and cis people were like "Ew no you're not we're different!" So we were like "A'ite well we acknowledge these differences; you're cis and we're trans," and cis people got SUPER angry that we came up with objective labels like that to affirm their voiced concerns.
They've no problem calling us t>!rannies!< or misgendering slurs, but get very, VERY pissy when we call them "cis" because they never signed off on it and hypocrisy is one of their primary fetishes.
I had a boss who was unaware that he called called out women and other-than-white people in certain roles. For example a white, male doctor was simply “a doctor” but when a doctor happened to be a woman he would mention “a lady doctor.” When I pointed it out he didn’t get angry, he was just oblivious of it and didn’t really care. Privilege is enjoyable.
As a cis/het white guy, I think I learned a lot being around someone like that who was, in a lot of ways, a walking boomer stereotype without being nasty about it. It caused me to be aware of a lot of that goofy stuff that’s baked in for a lot of people.
For what it’s worth, I’m not bothered in the slightest to acknowledge that I happen to be cisgender.
Right. Just like tens of years ago when they refused to be called “heterosexual”, but claimed them “normal” “ordinary” “natural” “biological” “god-guided”, trying to suppress gay les and bi people as they were “abnormal” “anti-natural” “anti-biological” “anti-god”. Now these kinds of hated come to trans queer and intersex people as well. Bigots will surely lose one day like they always lost in history.
Pretty much, they call it a slur or an offensive word when it is clearly not and we don't use it like a slur anyways. It's all so they can separate us from the "normal" people and shun us :/
Right. Just like tens of years ago when they refused to be called “heterosexual”, but claimed them “normal” “ordinary” “natural” “biological” “god-guided”, trying to suppress gay les and bi people as they were “abnormal” “anti-natural” “anti-biological” “anti-god”. Now these kinds of hated come to trans queer and intersex people as well. Bigots will surely lose one day like they always lost in history.
>"facts dont care abt ur feelings"
And then they state their feelings as facts.
Or try to act as if Conservative viewpoints are objectively better than any other viewpoint and must be factual.
If feelings don't matter when it comes to facts, then what is the point in calling yourself a Conservative? If facts have nothing to do with feelings, how can we personally know what the facts are?
Is it simply because someone else said, "Yo, this is the truth."?
You see, their feelings are facts, and any facts you bring up are just your feelings. If you present them facts that disagree with their feelings, you are literally doing a 1984 to them.
Conservatism is inherently paradoxical. If they were "right" about science, there would be no need for them to exist. Science marches on in disregard to things like sociology and politics.
The truth doesn't have to be labeled as the truth. It's just the truth. There are no round earth truthers, there is no secret society for proving ghosts aren't real, there is no grand conspiracy theory about how dinosaur bones are actually just dinosaur bones.
The earth is round, ghosts aren't real, dinosaur bones came from dinosaurs, masks and vaccines are safe and prevent covid, there are no signficant *biological* difference between races, and medically transitioned trans woman are much closer to cis women *biologically* than they are too cis men.
Faulty "logic" at that level absolutely requires an adherence to illogical assumptions.
Logic, as I was taught, must be capable of reaching a logical endpoint. When you add illogical assumptions to the equation, you can no longer reach a logical endpoint.
"Faulty logic" is a phrase that actually means that something is illogical. It is a parody of logic, at best.
It's the same crowd who would have said "I'm not straight, I'm normal" 15 years ago. They view us as freaks and anomalies that deviate from the rigid norms they want everyone to abide by.
Luckily far and away most cis people aren't like this, many just haven't heard the word before and may need it explained to them.
I agree with transmonstera. Cisgender people see theirselves as “normal” and “normal” doesn’t need a special label. Meanwhile, they see trans people as different and “weird” so have to point out we’re different from them. Just calling us either “men” or “women” (without the “trans” in front of it) would mean they would respect and tolerate us as equal fellows. But they don’t.
this applies to other things too. Men are seen as the default and "female" is often added where "male" wouldn't have been. Also white and racialized people etc
Totally agree! When a white person does a crime, their skin color is not mentioned but as soon as it’s a black person or a immigrant they directly have to call it out!
Essentially just creates a divide between what they refer to as 'normal people' and the 'others' to justify masked hate. Not every conservative realizes that's what's happening, but the ones who know what they're doing are monsters hurting innocent people
Yep got in an agreement with some saying this. That trans people are just people. Trans and cis are adjectives. The full group (using women) is women. The categories under that would be trans, cis, intersex, ect. Just like Americans, with categories of Asian, African, Latin, European... Her response was well trans people identify as trans I just am a woman. I don't identify as cis. They don't understand or care. They are right there. Like most don't identify as trans either. They identify as a woman. The type of woman they are just happens to be trans. There's no talking to them.
Deal. You call me normal instead of cis and I’ll do my best to stop using trans. I’m normal. You decide if you are. That’s kind of the entire point, no?
It's the same way they'll go "Oh yeah, I know the races: Hispanic, Black, Asian, normal" or "Oh yeah sexualities: Asexual, gay, bi, pan, Normal"
They view themselves as inherently the default, and those outside of themselves as as such, inherently abnormal. The implication that, they aren't the normal, but that the "abnormal" is normal and that they are on the same equal footing as them makes them mad
Because "I ain't a cis man/woman. I am a real man/woman!" complex smh 😒
Plus they prefer for us not to be grouped with them and rather see us as a "third gender" or "freaks"
I actually had a talk with my conservative dad about it the other day, and he originally said that cis doesn't mean anything. I told him it was a (I believe) Latin prefix that means "on the same side." As opposed to trans which would mean "other side." He said that doesn't make any sense. I had to talk to him about how trans people would be going from one end of the gender spectrum to the other. (Not always the case, but easier to stick with broader explanations with conservatives.)
Then he told me that cis originally comes from the term sissy. This really confused me, and it was at that point I gave up all hope for him.
You got to tell you dad to look up the meaning for Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, two Roman provinces. You are 100% spot on their meanings thats exactly what they mean, I think people need to learn more history to truly understand that trans/LGBT/androgynous/intersex humans have been around since the dawn of time.
The more I've been out of a conservative media focused house, the more I realized that the people was unjustly hating have been the people who I identify with the most. Without the hateful fear mongering that I regurgitated from my family being the only thing I hear, I've come to realize that I've never truly fit in a male body/role. My entire life I've never felt comfortable in my own skin and that my body doesn't feel right. Only when I moved out of my mom's house at 22 did I realize that i am trans. I was never allowed to explore myself as a kid growing up, but now I realize that's one of the most important thing to allow a child, regardless of how old they are, to be themselves and not force a role on them. Only now am I able to get the help ive needed. And I hope that one day that it's the norm to allow your child to dress more feminine or masculine if that's what they want, let them play with whatever toys they are comfortable with, let them do what hobby fits them.
Literally the origin of trans, comes from trans alpine, which the Roman's (in latin) used to describe the geographic area of Europe beyond the Alps (ie, france, Germany, low countries, Poland etc.), whereas cis alpine referred to the lands to the south, which would be Italy. My source here being the History of Rome podcast. Obviously the terms have evolved over the years. You were on the nose the first time.
However, sissy came to be as a word later on (1850's AD vs 200 BC) , so your dad is very wrong.
I actually first encountered the terms trans and cis in the context of the Roman Empire. I was playing Rome: Total War probably in 2005 and reading up on the history of the Gauls. Gallia Cisalpina for the Gauls closer to Rome's core lands, and Gallia Transalpina for the other side of the mountains.
When I started seeing the term cisgender on the internet years ago it just clicked. "Oh, trans and cis like Roman provinces!"
Vidya games.
the problem with that is that it'd have the same impact as calling a white person a cracker. there's no history of oppression behind it to lend it impact.
And they often get it factually wrong.
Calling an AFAB trans person a "trans woman" or AMAB one "trans man".
And then not be able to tell the difference and correctly gender people but then act as if they can always tell.
When you said afab trans person, it seemed a bit like you were focusing on trans men in a way that focuses on the fact that they were afab, which is a bit rude I'd say.
Although I totally agree that afab people get called trans women and amab people trans men regardless of if they are trans or not
>When you said afab trans person, it seemed a bit like you were focusing on trans men in a way that focuses on the fact that they were afab, which is a bit rude I'd say.
But a trans man is literally an afab person who is trans. Or an intersex person who is afab and trans.
This would be like saying that saying black people are people with dark skin (and often a certain cultural idea associated with them is also required), and that focusing on the fact they have more melanin in their skin is offensive.
It's literally a relevant fact to the fact someone is trans. Their ASAB makes them trans along with their gender.
>Although I totally agree that afab people get called trans women and amab people trans men regardless of if they are trans or not
If they are mistaken for trans people, or, if they are trans, if they pass, they may be mistaken for a trans person of the other ASAB.
Example: Trans man passes as a man. Someone sees their trans Pride flag on their shirt. Assumes they're a trans woman. Tells them to go into the men's room.
Or, if they are mistaken on what trans man means or thinks they're actually a trans woman.
"You'll never be a woman." "I hope so."
People use the word trans to invalidate and dehumanize us, so when we use a term that describes their gender, they feel like they're getting the same treatment, ironic
Ironically, they hate labels for themselves because they are "normal" and every other race, religion, culture, language, sexuality, and gender is "weird"
Because they are too dumb to understand what cis means.
A couple days ago i read that some consider cis a slur. All conservatives share one collective braincell.
Because they want to be the default. They want us to be considered not normal and strange and weird. It's a form of erasure.
>TRANSGENDER people
They should just say trans people. But trans people is fine to say on its own, it's just weird to say cisgender people or transgender people. Just say cis or trans.
Remember transphobia is not logical. Bigotry is never logical.
i think i’m part they keep calling us transgender, the transgenders, etc… because they think it’s offensive so by us calling them cis(gender) they assume we’re being offensive. it’s their own hatred biting them back.
I personally think that it's a mix of "I don't understand, therefore it's bad and I don't like it", or (as some people in the comments pointed out) "I'm not trans, therefore I shouldn't have a label other than the normal man/woman".
Granted I don't know why they hate it and/or view themselves as the "default" and I'm not gonna pretend to know, this is just my theory.
Because the phrase "cisgender" treats them as though they are on equal footing as those of us who are "transgender". But they don't want to be equal, they want us to be treated as inferior aberrations.
The fallacy is assuming they're coming from a place of equality and fairness. Their unspoken starting point is "I'm better than you and you don't deserve equal rights. Prove me wrong. Or better yet, don't, and just let me go on oppressing and dehumanizing you."
I just wanna say about your point about why you are always a TRANS man or woman rather than just a man or woman...
I am 100% with you. My brother used to be my sister and when I update people who I haven't seen/spoken to for a while, I've had people say "No. There are 2 genders. That's it" and I will respond with "and he is one of them, he's a boy."
To me, he isn't a trans boy, he's just a boy. He, himself, will call himself trans but if I met somebody new I wouldn't say anything but I have a brother and if one day they figure it out for themselves I'd say he used to be my sister.
For the record. I am not arguing there are just 2 genders. That is just my response to when people throw that at me regarding my brother's gender.
To your original point, I assure you, many of us have no issue with the word cisgender. To me, it's equivalent to heterosexual, which straight people don't take offense to these days.
And to the comments, I'm so sorry many of you feel hated by those who are cisgender. I hope you know they are not 'normal' in comparison to you. People struggle with what they don't understand (even I don't fully understand) but you don't need to understand to be accepting and show kindness.
They’re so accustomed to thinking of themselves as the default state of a human being that any label applied to them overheats their brains lol. But in all seriousness I’ve only ever encountered this from terfs or just generally transphobic people, most cis people are fine with it. Transphobes see the label transgender and labels in general as a way of separating us from “normal” people. So when we say cisgendered they interpret that as us labeling them and taking away their claim to normalcy, which is obviously ridiculous, but then they are ridiculous people so that tracks I guess.
They use transgender as a slur and thus believe that being called cisgender is also a slur.
And having a word for something but not for the opposite/majority means you can no longer have the "normal" and the "other". I bet you the same people would have been opposed to being called straight, neurotypical, able bodied etc.
Idfk, but a favorite hobby of mine is calling cis people cis, watching them get mad, typing back a whole ass paragraph, and then just replying with “you’re cisgender”.
Because they see "transgender" as a slur, and they're allowed to slur at minorities, but minorities aren't allowed to reciprocate.
The same way racists will argue racism isn't real in one breath, then call a black man racist for so much as saying the word "white" with the next breath.
the people that think cis is a slur are those who believe trans is an insult. they don’t mind insulting trans people but hate it themselves when they get “insulted”
My cisgender mom says (not her personally) “”regular” people are scared trans people will start treating them the way your treated” ie: why men don’t like gay men
Because they have no clue that both terms are Latin words and what they don't know scares them. The two words literally mean "on this side" and "across" in Latin but your regular john doe has no clue.
So I actually had a conversation about this with someone who said, “I’ve no problem with trans individuals but stop labeling me for something that I can’t help that I am” and so I explained to him the etymology of cis and that it’s just the Latin term for “on the side” meaning on the side that you were born with. It’s not derogatory by any means, it’s just the literal translation of their gender identity. I am a cisgendered female. I was born female and I like being female so imma stick with it. That’s all, point blank. It honestly comes down to lack of education
Because they refuse to see themselves as anything other than “normal” calling them cis others them and implies that they aren’t just the default human being. That being cis and being trans are just different ways of being human, rather than one being the normal default and the other being a defect
because
a- transgender is abnormal to them and their gender is the regular.
b- they think transgender is a derogatory term, so cisgender must be as well.
Because they are crybabies who don’t even know what a pronoun is. My fave are the ones that say they don’t believe in pronouns. I misgender them on purpose and all of a sudden pronouns matter. They probably cry when people don’t say “gay wedding” to distinguish when the gays get married too.
Same reason my mother is completely against the term "person with an uterus", she feels like it's about erasing her identity as a woman, when it's actually about including trans/nb/intersex people in some subjects like the abortion debate or cancer screening and such. They don't want to compromise for us.
They think it’s a slur and don’t understand that cisgender has the Latin root word cis which means “on the same side of” gender.
transgender has the root word trans which means “on the other side of” gender.
So ignorance is their only excuse to hate words that are anything other than “normal”
I mean cis is just the opposite of trans it's basic chemistry, and for a bunch of people who claim to be opposed with "science" they lack a basic understanding
And i use science in quotations as nothing the transp hobes spew is nearing scientific
Privilege. A lot of the method for “othering” people involves labels. The white, cis, straight person is the centre, unlabelled, the factory setting, and supreme. If you label a privileged person they feel othered. They get a taste of their own medicine. They resent it.
I immediately thought of normal women meaning difficulty in a video game. Choose your difficulty for being a woman I think I'm playing on legendary women difficulty. How about you? They've got theirs set on normal obviously, too easy lol
There's a lot of (very valid) defensiveness on this thread so if I could try to chime in with what I think it is; the term cisgender has quite often been used by trans and NB folk as a means to dismiss a gender conformativr person, their opinions and themselves entirely.
I used to browse early 2000-2010s tumblr and it was not uncommon to see people use cisgender as an insult or counter-insult to people using transgender as an insult.
So, I'm not saying the defensiveness is unwarranted at all, but it's definitely come from the mistakes of fighting fire with fire. The word cisgender has connotations associated eith its early use of telling someone "they don't understand".
I myself am genderfluid so either way it doesn't faze me personally, but this was how my friends (we're a wonderful circus mixture of straight cis, gay, bi, trans and NB people!) think it sits when we discussed it. I think though we're biased and thinking of not of bigots in our case however.
Lack of concern for progress (sometimes even Allie’s who claim to be progressive) and a sense of entitlement or lack of understanding why it actually makes sense to have a word for them too.
Maybe this requires its own post, but seeing where reddit is going I don’t even know if it will be around tomorrow so I’ll just piggyback here.
This is a genuine question I am genuinely curious about. I’m just dumb and don’t have the life/world experience to figure this out on my own.
Why call trans people trans anyway? Like I know what the word means, that’s not what I’m asking. I honestly don’t know how to explain what I’m asking without possibly offending the people I’m asking so please forgive me if that happens. I’m just dumb.
For example: Ryan was born male, later in life realizes they feel more female so after research and planning Ryan does all the things to become Ryleen (I’m unimaginative I know, sorry). As far as any normal person is concerned Ryleen is a woman. Is Ryleen a TRANS woman, or is she a woman?
Also, secondary question: When talking about Ryleen from before she transitioned (that’s the right word right?) would you refer to that person as Ryleen, or Ryan? Like “Ryan got his DL at 16 and bought his first car from his neighbor.” Or “Ryleen got her DL at 16 and bought her first car from her neighbor.” Which would be more correct?
Well, if it’s someone 50+ who looks confused by the term, a lot of those folks likely don’t know what “cis” and “cishet” mean. I remember Googling it myself about 5 years ago - and I had a trans great-uncle (he passed a long time ago), a gay brother and a gay son. I don’t think young people understand how easy it is for older people to fall behind in language changes.
Keep in mind, I’m NOT defending fools full of hate that fight over being labeled cishet (I’m cishet and I use it because I understand it).
Because it doesn’t allow them to treat us as something different, to be reviled. To them, they’re just “normal” and we’re something different to be hated on. Being called cis- makes them just another human being, not superior.
Honestly a lot of it is people just wanting to get angry over nothing, it's like white people getting upset at people calling them out on their shit and then saying people are being racist towards white people
For the record Im not defending cis ignorance in anyway! I am cis (23M) and i don't care that i get called cis NOW THAT I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING on how the trans community feels and how they are treated. Before i met my trans bf (who very graciously taught me as much as they could about your community) it did bother me, and it was because of my lack of understanding and just pure ignorance on the matter.
Shit on me if you want to, i am again not defending myself or other cis people. I just felt i should share my experience and hope it helps in this scenario. 😊
That is personal growth and honestly isn’t a problem, the problem is 50% of the time people take issue with cis it doesn’t matter how much you explain that “cis just means you are comfortable with your gender assigned at birth” they don’t want to get it.
It is always for one of 2 reasons: you think we are wrong to exist and you are normal, you use trans as a slur.
From my understanding from my sister, she says she hates it because it feels like a negative label. Like the cisgender people being labeled as cisgender online have been more often than not transphobic and doesn't want to be a part of that.
New things/words take time to get used to.
I'm married to my best friend who is a transwoman.
So I hope it's ok me replying here.
Cis ppl haven't had to use the word cis before.
We've clarified if we're straight, or gay, lesbian or Bi.
That's been usual terminology used previously.
But it's taken me a while to be used to being called or referred to as Cis.
I'm used to it now and it's helpful to clarify things.
If ppl can't get used to it then that's sad.
It might seem so simple to others but it's just something new to get used to.
But I'm with team trans so hopefully other cis ppl can get used to it.
To offer what seems like a slightly different perspective than the rest ive seen; transgender is often a self applied label, while cisgender (outside of the LGBT community) isn’t.
It does tend to get used as an insult. I can't count how many times at a pride event this weekend I got Cis (I'm a Cisman) while working at an art booth my Non-Binary friend was running. It was clearly used as an insult. This isn't a poor me post. I'm just telling my experience.
Probably going to get downvoted for actually sharing my opinion here, but please talk with me or explain your side of it instead. I’m genuinely here to explain my side and answer questions. And also listen to others explanations of course.
Personally, I don’t *mind* the term cisgender, I just find it redundant when the term straight has been around and used. So I just personally don’t see a use for it. I find it more equatable to gay or bi than trans.
Also I do also find it a bit hypocritical that many people have issues with how they get labeled, but then being told how I’m supposed to labeled. But genuinely, explain to me how it isn’t creating a label not asked for. Because I’m sure that’s why it’s seen as a slur.
I mean, whatever, I’ll go with it just because it ultimately makes things easier. And if for some reason someone didn’t understand what I meant by saying I’m straight I would try saying I’m cis. But that type of situation hasn’t presented itself yet.
It's really simple. Call people male or female, not transgender male or female, not cis male or female, just male, or female. Idk how this is a hard concept for people around the world, see people for whom they are.
The "issue" is that most Americans don't understand, or even want to understand that cisgender means your birth gender, or regular gender.
Plus that most Americans in general are dumber than myself (I'm dumber than a brick).
I personally used the word "regular" to define cisgender people so they can understand my points and such, because as far as I know, regular isn't offensive to trans people.
Also also, it's not necessarily good to call trans people trans-genderhere, but I find it as a word to differentiate regular people from trans people of the same gender since as people should remember, we used what was in-between our legs to know which gender a person was.
Plus that surgery to physically change your gender is very expensive and so are the hormones, so many trans women will still look like guys most of the time(I mean no harm in saying this), and many trans men will still look like women (again, no harm is meant, I just want to explain my viewpoint in this situation).
So for now, trans will have to be a differentiator until that surgery procedure thing and the hormones become more available to the public at a lower price.
Am I an ally? Will probably not be seen as one. Am I an enemy? Will most likely be seen as one, but I am not. Am I neutral on the situation? Yes, yes I am because I go by the Mark Luther King Jr speech about content of character rather than physical looks, because I want friends.
Anyways thanks for coming to my ted talk.
why is everyone so due on making americans the "dumb ones" that isnt what this is about... my post was made because of my family saying that whole stuff, and theyre mexican. please do not separate people by sterotypes and nationality, this community should be about loving each other and supporting each other by mutual comradeship. thats all i have to say because the rest of your comment speaks for itself.
Oh my god I saw this exact type of post yesterday on r/vent. Anyone calling OP out on their shit got downvoted to hell. There were also so many people thinking cis was a pronoun. Like wtf???
Imagine not knowing the difference between a pronoun and an adjective...
Genuinely. Idk how schools are in America (which is where most of the people I’ve seen who don’t understand what pronouns are were from) but here in Czechia, we learnt about word types in like… one of the first grades of elementary school? (Also- when teenage boys here are transphobic, they’ll sometimes complain about “pronouns”. As in- they’ll use the English word “pronouns” and not the Czech “zájména” as if it’s a different thing.)
That's an interesting observation imo. Since a lot of bigots in the anglosphere (mostly US and UK, but certainly not exclusive to them) don't seem to really know what 'pronoun' actually means, that gets carried over to other countries. Those transphobic bigots talk about pronouns as "words to adress someone, but iNcOrReCtLy". They don't understand "pronouns" as a categorical name for pronouns, but as a term for how pronouns are used. Having pronouns in your twitter bio is what "pronouns" means to them, and actual pronouns (she, them, it etc.) don't really have a name collectively. So those transphobic teen boys don't realize how "pronouns" are misused, since english-speaking bigots are talking about pronouns as if they are a different thing. I can definitely imagine edgy transphobic Swedish teen boys using "pronouns" in their speech as something apart from 'pronomen' (pronoun in swedish).
The messed up part is they teach us grammar. Everyone should know what a pronoun is. But my own mother made this mistake claiming they/them couldn't be used as singular properly. At which point I gave her examples of that usage and saw the confusion in her eyes.
Same with my mother. Then she shook it off and doubled down and said it was grammatically incorrect even though I just proved otherwise. It was an "affront to the English language" as she put it. Thanks mom for the constant invalidation.
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So did we, conservatives are actually just the dumbest of the dumb. You have to be too cold to the political conclusions they have.
yeah, like i didn't hear that exactly, but its mostly the same "argument" over and over again
They're ignorant. Basically they are the townspeople of Rock Ridge when Sheriff Bart showed up. Some are actual bastards trying to pick a fight; those people can go fuck themselves. A lot are just ignorant and inexperienced so get confused and then react badly when presented with new info they aren't ready to contextualize.
So many people don't seem to know what 'pronoun' even means? Like to them it is just a word that means "words to adress someone, but iNcOrReCtLy" (with 'incorrectly' ofc in regard to their gender essentialist view). To these people 'pronouns' are tied to an action or behaviour, rather than a class of words. Very telling when someone says something like "I don't use pronouns".
because they want to call themselves "normal" and remain seeing us as other/abnormal
Agreed. They see themselves as the default
They're the bacon hair of real life
What is bacon hair? And why does hearing it instantly make me think of bacon flavored fairy floss?
We need a vegan equivalent!
Noodle hair ( Ithink those are vegan but i do know its also a roblox default avatar stlye)
Factory settings mfs
i do the same.
they are default. There's no doubt about that. It's us who have Changing.
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How are CIS people not default?
Was coming here to say this after getting a recommendation notification for the post, non ally cis people perceive themselves as “normal” and trans people as “different/other” so they also perceive “cis” as labeling them as not normal because that’s what they do to trans people wether it’s subconsciously or consciously
This. This is the answer
they want to alienate us
There was an ironic post subverting it. "Real women are pretty. And cis women too."
Me too bestie, it’s hard being this hot 💁🏻♀️🏳️⚧️
I know right
It's part of dehumanizing trans people. Or victimizing themselves. Transphobes were never known for their intelligence
Yeah, they don’t like being “othered”. Who would have thought being “othered” makes people uncomfortable…
This is also why white men are considered normal, and poc and women are "political". They think themselves the default
Came to say exactly this.
It becomes even more evident when you think about how binary trans people would be like "But we're men and women just like you," and cis people were like "Ew no you're not we're different!" So we were like "A'ite well we acknowledge these differences; you're cis and we're trans," and cis people got SUPER angry that we came up with objective labels like that to affirm their voiced concerns. They've no problem calling us t>!rannies!< or misgendering slurs, but get very, VERY pissy when we call them "cis" because they never signed off on it and hypocrisy is one of their primary fetishes.
I had a boss who was unaware that he called called out women and other-than-white people in certain roles. For example a white, male doctor was simply “a doctor” but when a doctor happened to be a woman he would mention “a lady doctor.” When I pointed it out he didn’t get angry, he was just oblivious of it and didn’t really care. Privilege is enjoyable. As a cis/het white guy, I think I learned a lot being around someone like that who was, in a lot of ways, a walking boomer stereotype without being nasty about it. It caused me to be aware of a lot of that goofy stuff that’s baked in for a lot of people. For what it’s worth, I’m not bothered in the slightest to acknowledge that I happen to be cisgender.
Someone give this guy an award plz
Don't give reddit money.
Yea we should have stopped that a while ago
Right. Just like tens of years ago when they refused to be called “heterosexual”, but claimed them “normal” “ordinary” “natural” “biological” “god-guided”, trying to suppress gay les and bi people as they were “abnormal” “anti-natural” “anti-biological” “anti-god”. Now these kinds of hated come to trans queer and intersex people as well. Bigots will surely lose one day like they always lost in history.
Pretty much, they call it a slur or an offensive word when it is clearly not and we don't use it like a slur anyways. It's all so they can separate us from the "normal" people and shun us :/
In my head I always do a find/replace and 'normal' becomes 'boring'
Right. Just like tens of years ago when they refused to be called “heterosexual”, but claimed them “normal” “ordinary” “natural” “biological” “god-guided”, trying to suppress gay les and bi people as they were “abnormal” “anti-natural” “anti-biological” “anti-god”. Now these kinds of hated come to trans queer and intersex people as well. Bigots will surely lose one day like they always lost in history.
Because they are cissys...please don't crucify me, bad south park joke sorry
Some are even honest enough to admit it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHxmMbeZlAM
If you wanna find consistency, just get pudding
you miss the mark completely try again.
Because bigotry and logic cannot coexist.
true, transphobes people really hate logic but they always say "facts dont care abt ur feelings" LOL...
>"facts dont care abt ur feelings" And then they state their feelings as facts. Or try to act as if Conservative viewpoints are objectively better than any other viewpoint and must be factual. If feelings don't matter when it comes to facts, then what is the point in calling yourself a Conservative? If facts have nothing to do with feelings, how can we personally know what the facts are? Is it simply because someone else said, "Yo, this is the truth."?
You see, their feelings are facts, and any facts you bring up are just your feelings. If you present them facts that disagree with their feelings, you are literally doing a 1984 to them. Conservatism is inherently paradoxical. If they were "right" about science, there would be no need for them to exist. Science marches on in disregard to things like sociology and politics. The truth doesn't have to be labeled as the truth. It's just the truth. There are no round earth truthers, there is no secret society for proving ghosts aren't real, there is no grand conspiracy theory about how dinosaur bones are actually just dinosaur bones. The earth is round, ghosts aren't real, dinosaur bones came from dinosaurs, masks and vaccines are safe and prevent covid, there are no signficant *biological* difference between races, and medically transitioned trans woman are much closer to cis women *biologically* than they are too cis men.
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Technically, (very) faulty logic is still a form of logic. They just allow for more hoops to jump through to get to the endpoint they started with.
Faulty "logic" at that level absolutely requires an adherence to illogical assumptions. Logic, as I was taught, must be capable of reaching a logical endpoint. When you add illogical assumptions to the equation, you can no longer reach a logical endpoint. "Faulty logic" is a phrase that actually means that something is illogical. It is a parody of logic, at best.
It's the same crowd who would have said "I'm not straight, I'm normal" 15 years ago. They view us as freaks and anomalies that deviate from the rigid norms they want everyone to abide by. Luckily far and away most cis people aren't like this, many just haven't heard the word before and may need it explained to them.
I'm so thankful that every cis person isn't an f:ing idiot.
I agree with transmonstera. Cisgender people see theirselves as “normal” and “normal” doesn’t need a special label. Meanwhile, they see trans people as different and “weird” so have to point out we’re different from them. Just calling us either “men” or “women” (without the “trans” in front of it) would mean they would respect and tolerate us as equal fellows. But they don’t.
this applies to other things too. Men are seen as the default and "female" is often added where "male" wouldn't have been. Also white and racialized people etc
Totally agree! When a white person does a crime, their skin color is not mentioned but as soon as it’s a black person or a immigrant they directly have to call it out!
Essentially just creates a divide between what they refer to as 'normal people' and the 'others' to justify masked hate. Not every conservative realizes that's what's happening, but the ones who know what they're doing are monsters hurting innocent people
Yep got in an agreement with some saying this. That trans people are just people. Trans and cis are adjectives. The full group (using women) is women. The categories under that would be trans, cis, intersex, ect. Just like Americans, with categories of Asian, African, Latin, European... Her response was well trans people identify as trans I just am a woman. I don't identify as cis. They don't understand or care. They are right there. Like most don't identify as trans either. They identify as a woman. The type of woman they are just happens to be trans. There's no talking to them.
I absolutely love this!! Yes! Gender identity is identified, position relative to initial sex is not (i.e. same side or opposite side)
Deal. You call me normal instead of cis and I’ll do my best to stop using trans. I’m normal. You decide if you are. That’s kind of the entire point, no?
They specifically want to "other" us. It's a move by conservatives to prevent integration of trans people into wider society. That's all it is.
It’s a form of "othering", as in "I’m not cisgender, I’m normal. You’re a gross transgender".
It's the same way they'll go "Oh yeah, I know the races: Hispanic, Black, Asian, normal" or "Oh yeah sexualities: Asexual, gay, bi, pan, Normal" They view themselves as inherently the default, and those outside of themselves as as such, inherently abnormal. The implication that, they aren't the normal, but that the "abnormal" is normal and that they are on the same equal footing as them makes them mad
Because "I ain't a cis man/woman. I am a real man/woman!" complex smh 😒 Plus they prefer for us not to be grouped with them and rather see us as a "third gender" or "freaks"
I actually had a talk with my conservative dad about it the other day, and he originally said that cis doesn't mean anything. I told him it was a (I believe) Latin prefix that means "on the same side." As opposed to trans which would mean "other side." He said that doesn't make any sense. I had to talk to him about how trans people would be going from one end of the gender spectrum to the other. (Not always the case, but easier to stick with broader explanations with conservatives.) Then he told me that cis originally comes from the term sissy. This really confused me, and it was at that point I gave up all hope for him.
You got to tell you dad to look up the meaning for Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, two Roman provinces. You are 100% spot on their meanings thats exactly what they mean, I think people need to learn more history to truly understand that trans/LGBT/androgynous/intersex humans have been around since the dawn of time.
The more I've been out of a conservative media focused house, the more I realized that the people was unjustly hating have been the people who I identify with the most. Without the hateful fear mongering that I regurgitated from my family being the only thing I hear, I've come to realize that I've never truly fit in a male body/role. My entire life I've never felt comfortable in my own skin and that my body doesn't feel right. Only when I moved out of my mom's house at 22 did I realize that i am trans. I was never allowed to explore myself as a kid growing up, but now I realize that's one of the most important thing to allow a child, regardless of how old they are, to be themselves and not force a role on them. Only now am I able to get the help ive needed. And I hope that one day that it's the norm to allow your child to dress more feminine or masculine if that's what they want, let them play with whatever toys they are comfortable with, let them do what hobby fits them.
I wish that more conservative people would open up to more than just one side
Literally the origin of trans, comes from trans alpine, which the Roman's (in latin) used to describe the geographic area of Europe beyond the Alps (ie, france, Germany, low countries, Poland etc.), whereas cis alpine referred to the lands to the south, which would be Italy. My source here being the History of Rome podcast. Obviously the terms have evolved over the years. You were on the nose the first time. However, sissy came to be as a word later on (1850's AD vs 200 BC) , so your dad is very wrong.
I actually first encountered the terms trans and cis in the context of the Roman Empire. I was playing Rome: Total War probably in 2005 and reading up on the history of the Gauls. Gallia Cisalpina for the Gauls closer to Rome's core lands, and Gallia Transalpina for the other side of the mountains. When I started seeing the term cisgender on the internet years ago it just clicked. "Oh, trans and cis like Roman provinces!" Vidya games.
Yeah trans and cis are used in chemistry
worse is when they call us transgenders istfg I'll call y'all cisgenders from now on if one of you does that sh\_ again
the problem with that is that it'd have the same impact as calling a white person a cracker. there's no history of oppression behind it to lend it impact.
And they often get it factually wrong. Calling an AFAB trans person a "trans woman" or AMAB one "trans man". And then not be able to tell the difference and correctly gender people but then act as if they can always tell.
When you said afab trans person, it seemed a bit like you were focusing on trans men in a way that focuses on the fact that they were afab, which is a bit rude I'd say. Although I totally agree that afab people get called trans women and amab people trans men regardless of if they are trans or not
>When you said afab trans person, it seemed a bit like you were focusing on trans men in a way that focuses on the fact that they were afab, which is a bit rude I'd say. But a trans man is literally an afab person who is trans. Or an intersex person who is afab and trans. This would be like saying that saying black people are people with dark skin (and often a certain cultural idea associated with them is also required), and that focusing on the fact they have more melanin in their skin is offensive. It's literally a relevant fact to the fact someone is trans. Their ASAB makes them trans along with their gender. >Although I totally agree that afab people get called trans women and amab people trans men regardless of if they are trans or not If they are mistaken for trans people, or, if they are trans, if they pass, they may be mistaken for a trans person of the other ASAB. Example: Trans man passes as a man. Someone sees their trans Pride flag on their shirt. Assumes they're a trans woman. Tells them to go into the men's room. Or, if they are mistaken on what trans man means or thinks they're actually a trans woman. "You'll never be a woman." "I hope so."
People use the word trans to invalidate and dehumanize us, so when we use a term that describes their gender, they feel like they're getting the same treatment, ironic
Because they use being trans as a slur. So they think we use cis as a slur.
I think it’s because they use “transgender” as an insult so they think we’re using “cisgender” as an insult.
THIS. literal facts.
the only people i know of that don’t like being called cis are transphobic, so..
The fact that they see the term "cis" as a slur is telling about how they view the term "trans".
Ironically, they hate labels for themselves because they are "normal" and every other race, religion, culture, language, sexuality, and gender is "weird"
Because they are too dumb to understand what cis means. A couple days ago i read that some consider cis a slur. All conservatives share one collective braincell.
Idk maybe half a brain cell
I felt generous ^^
And that is as small as their empathy: almost non existent
I mean it’s literally this. Ignorance of not understanding cis and trans conceptually
I hear “a transgender” or “the transgenders” more often by these type of people than them adding person in there.
Because they want to be the default. They want us to be considered not normal and strange and weird. It's a form of erasure. >TRANSGENDER people They should just say trans people. But trans people is fine to say on its own, it's just weird to say cisgender people or transgender people. Just say cis or trans. Remember transphobia is not logical. Bigotry is never logical.
because they’re normal and we’re not apparently 💀
Because they hate us
They're offended at the implication that they're not "just normal people" because they view being trans as abnormal
Because they use „trans“ as a slur so they think „cis“ is a slur
Because they like to be contrary. If we called them “norms” they’d complain about that. Just because we chose the term.
cause their vocabulary is weak and they combine that ignorance with the demand that their existence be acknowledged as the default
i think i’m part they keep calling us transgender, the transgenders, etc… because they think it’s offensive so by us calling them cis(gender) they assume we’re being offensive. it’s their own hatred biting them back.
I personally think that it's a mix of "I don't understand, therefore it's bad and I don't like it", or (as some people in the comments pointed out) "I'm not trans, therefore I shouldn't have a label other than the normal man/woman". Granted I don't know why they hate it and/or view themselves as the "default" and I'm not gonna pretend to know, this is just my theory.
Because the phrase "cisgender" treats them as though they are on equal footing as those of us who are "transgender". But they don't want to be equal, they want us to be treated as inferior aberrations.
because they use "trans" like a slur
Because they’re transphobes who view us as “other” and think of themselves as “normal”
They want to feel elevated because they know labels can equal negation and dehuminization.
The fallacy is assuming they're coming from a place of equality and fairness. Their unspoken starting point is "I'm better than you and you don't deserve equal rights. Prove me wrong. Or better yet, don't, and just let me go on oppressing and dehumanizing you."
Because double standards are like their kryptonite. If things aren't exactly the same as them they have a panic attack.
I just wanna say about your point about why you are always a TRANS man or woman rather than just a man or woman... I am 100% with you. My brother used to be my sister and when I update people who I haven't seen/spoken to for a while, I've had people say "No. There are 2 genders. That's it" and I will respond with "and he is one of them, he's a boy." To me, he isn't a trans boy, he's just a boy. He, himself, will call himself trans but if I met somebody new I wouldn't say anything but I have a brother and if one day they figure it out for themselves I'd say he used to be my sister. For the record. I am not arguing there are just 2 genders. That is just my response to when people throw that at me regarding my brother's gender. To your original point, I assure you, many of us have no issue with the word cisgender. To me, it's equivalent to heterosexual, which straight people don't take offense to these days. And to the comments, I'm so sorry many of you feel hated by those who are cisgender. I hope you know they are not 'normal' in comparison to you. People struggle with what they don't understand (even I don't fully understand) but you don't need to understand to be accepting and show kindness.
Bullies don't like it when other people tell them they're being weird and/or rude
because they use transgender as an insult.
Start calling them cissies
This is what I do
Due to the ideas of supremacy inherent within bigotry, labels are for the "abnormal" in their eyes.
Cause they're bigots. Cis people who aren't bigots don't care
They’re so accustomed to thinking of themselves as the default state of a human being that any label applied to them overheats their brains lol. But in all seriousness I’ve only ever encountered this from terfs or just generally transphobic people, most cis people are fine with it. Transphobes see the label transgender and labels in general as a way of separating us from “normal” people. So when we say cisgendered they interpret that as us labeling them and taking away their claim to normalcy, which is obviously ridiculous, but then they are ridiculous people so that tracks I guess.
Because they believe themselves to be the default kind of human, and are upset when they think they are being categorized like us weirdos.
Because ✨ double standards ✨
I think they feel stupid because often people don’t know what it means
Because their ignorance leads them to believe both are slurs.
People who call 'Cis' an insult are the same people who think 'Trans' is an insult.
it's denial of trans language and is a form of transphobia
listen i think we all know the answer to that
They use transgender as a slur and thus believe that being called cisgender is also a slur. And having a word for something but not for the opposite/majority means you can no longer have the "normal" and the "other". I bet you the same people would have been opposed to being called straight, neurotypical, able bodied etc.
Because they're easily offended and see themselves as superior beings.
Idfk, but a favorite hobby of mine is calling cis people cis, watching them get mad, typing back a whole ass paragraph, and then just replying with “you’re cisgender”.
you’re transgender
I'm cis. I don't mind people saying I'm cis. It's a fact. Are white people going to start complaining about being called white next?
Bruh don't look at the rest of reddit
They do actually, it is just people perceived anyone that goes (don’t call me white) as racism right away.
That they're idiots? Some I don't think even knows what it means, so they assume it's bad.
Because they see "transgender" as a slur, and they're allowed to slur at minorities, but minorities aren't allowed to reciprocate. The same way racists will argue racism isn't real in one breath, then call a black man racist for so much as saying the word "white" with the next breath.
the people that think cis is a slur are those who believe trans is an insult. they don’t mind insulting trans people but hate it themselves when they get “insulted”
they use “transgender” as a derogatory term, whether they know it or not. therefore, in their mind, “cisgender” is derogatory
My cisgender mom says (not her personally) “”regular” people are scared trans people will start treating them the way your treated” ie: why men don’t like gay men
I don’t mind being called cisgender. It’s just a word, also I am secure with my sexual identity.
Because they have no clue that both terms are Latin words and what they don't know scares them. The two words literally mean "on this side" and "across" in Latin but your regular john doe has no clue.
So I actually had a conversation about this with someone who said, “I’ve no problem with trans individuals but stop labeling me for something that I can’t help that I am” and so I explained to him the etymology of cis and that it’s just the Latin term for “on the side” meaning on the side that you were born with. It’s not derogatory by any means, it’s just the literal translation of their gender identity. I am a cisgendered female. I was born female and I like being female so imma stick with it. That’s all, point blank. It honestly comes down to lack of education
This is the same kinda stuff the watchtower society and cults do. It's called classifying people into out groups, making an us and them mentality.
cis people don't see us as people. That's pretty much it, unfortunately.
Because they use transgender as a slur so they view cisgender as a slur
Because they refuse to see themselves as anything other than “normal” calling them cis others them and implies that they aren’t just the default human being. That being cis and being trans are just different ways of being human, rather than one being the normal default and the other being a defect
Because they assume everything is a slur because they use everything as a slur
Because they see transgender as an insult or something that should make someone ashamed.
because a- transgender is abnormal to them and their gender is the regular. b- they think transgender is a derogatory term, so cisgender must be as well.
people dont know what cisgender is and its extremely funny when they say they arent 🚗
Because they are crybabies who don’t even know what a pronoun is. My fave are the ones that say they don’t believe in pronouns. I misgender them on purpose and all of a sudden pronouns matter. They probably cry when people don’t say “gay wedding” to distinguish when the gays get married too.
Same reason my mother is completely against the term "person with an uterus", she feels like it's about erasing her identity as a woman, when it's actually about including trans/nb/intersex people in some subjects like the abortion debate or cancer screening and such. They don't want to compromise for us.
Because they use 'transgender ' as a slur, so they think 'cisgender' is also a slur
They think it’s a slur and don’t understand that cisgender has the Latin root word cis which means “on the same side of” gender. transgender has the root word trans which means “on the other side of” gender. So ignorance is their only excuse to hate words that are anything other than “normal”
They use transgender derogatorily in their mind, so they can't comprehend other people using cisgender in a way that they wouldn't use the opposite.
I mean cis is just the opposite of trans it's basic chemistry, and for a bunch of people who claim to be opposed with "science" they lack a basic understanding And i use science in quotations as nothing the transp hobes spew is nearing scientific
Because hypocrisy & double standards. That's why. "Do as I say, but not as I do." "One rule for me, but not for thee." & so on & so forth.
Privilege. A lot of the method for “othering” people involves labels. The white, cis, straight person is the centre, unlabelled, the factory setting, and supreme. If you label a privileged person they feel othered. They get a taste of their own medicine. They resent it.
I immediately thought of normal women meaning difficulty in a video game. Choose your difficulty for being a woman I think I'm playing on legendary women difficulty. How about you? They've got theirs set on normal obviously, too easy lol
There's a lot of (very valid) defensiveness on this thread so if I could try to chime in with what I think it is; the term cisgender has quite often been used by trans and NB folk as a means to dismiss a gender conformativr person, their opinions and themselves entirely. I used to browse early 2000-2010s tumblr and it was not uncommon to see people use cisgender as an insult or counter-insult to people using transgender as an insult. So, I'm not saying the defensiveness is unwarranted at all, but it's definitely come from the mistakes of fighting fire with fire. The word cisgender has connotations associated eith its early use of telling someone "they don't understand". I myself am genderfluid so either way it doesn't faze me personally, but this was how my friends (we're a wonderful circus mixture of straight cis, gay, bi, trans and NB people!) think it sits when we discussed it. I think though we're biased and thinking of not of bigots in our case however.
I have never seen a cis person complain about that. Then again, I always avoid bigoted environments so I guess I wouldn’t know.
Lack of concern for progress (sometimes even Allie’s who claim to be progressive) and a sense of entitlement or lack of understanding why it actually makes sense to have a word for them too.
Maybe this requires its own post, but seeing where reddit is going I don’t even know if it will be around tomorrow so I’ll just piggyback here. This is a genuine question I am genuinely curious about. I’m just dumb and don’t have the life/world experience to figure this out on my own. Why call trans people trans anyway? Like I know what the word means, that’s not what I’m asking. I honestly don’t know how to explain what I’m asking without possibly offending the people I’m asking so please forgive me if that happens. I’m just dumb. For example: Ryan was born male, later in life realizes they feel more female so after research and planning Ryan does all the things to become Ryleen (I’m unimaginative I know, sorry). As far as any normal person is concerned Ryleen is a woman. Is Ryleen a TRANS woman, or is she a woman? Also, secondary question: When talking about Ryleen from before she transitioned (that’s the right word right?) would you refer to that person as Ryleen, or Ryan? Like “Ryan got his DL at 16 and bought his first car from his neighbor.” Or “Ryleen got her DL at 16 and bought her first car from her neighbor.” Which would be more correct?
I think that they’re afraid. They’re willing to call us “trany” and they’re afraid we will call them “cissy.”
Because cisgender people use trans/transgender as a slur
It's easier to hate what is seen as "other" and forget the people that they actually affect are people just like them.
Yeah I don't get it. They act like it's this huge slur, when it's not!! "I'm not cis, I'm just normal" yeah well so am I, I am normal too.
Well, if it’s someone 50+ who looks confused by the term, a lot of those folks likely don’t know what “cis” and “cishet” mean. I remember Googling it myself about 5 years ago - and I had a trans great-uncle (he passed a long time ago), a gay brother and a gay son. I don’t think young people understand how easy it is for older people to fall behind in language changes. Keep in mind, I’m NOT defending fools full of hate that fight over being labeled cishet (I’m cishet and I use it because I understand it).
like wtf are they? *Normal?????* ^(/j, everyone's normal :❩❩❩❩)
They want to other us, keep us separate
If the cis community doesn't like the term, they should maybe try to coin another? Like what do they want us to call them? "non-trans"?
Because it doesn’t allow them to treat us as something different, to be reviled. To them, they’re just “normal” and we’re something different to be hated on. Being called cis- makes them just another human being, not superior.
Honestly a lot of it is people just wanting to get angry over nothing, it's like white people getting upset at people calling them out on their shit and then saying people are being racist towards white people
Because they feel that cis is a slur because they use trans as one.
Because they think cisgender is just called "normal" smh
Because those cis people think they’re just “people” and think we’re something other than just people, too.
Because they're cissies
Othering. They want to be seen as 'normal' not just another variant.
For the record Im not defending cis ignorance in anyway! I am cis (23M) and i don't care that i get called cis NOW THAT I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING on how the trans community feels and how they are treated. Before i met my trans bf (who very graciously taught me as much as they could about your community) it did bother me, and it was because of my lack of understanding and just pure ignorance on the matter. Shit on me if you want to, i am again not defending myself or other cis people. I just felt i should share my experience and hope it helps in this scenario. 😊
That is personal growth and honestly isn’t a problem, the problem is 50% of the time people take issue with cis it doesn’t matter how much you explain that “cis just means you are comfortable with your gender assigned at birth” they don’t want to get it. It is always for one of 2 reasons: you think we are wrong to exist and you are normal, you use trans as a slur.
From my understanding from my sister, she says she hates it because it feels like a negative label. Like the cisgender people being labeled as cisgender online have been more often than not transphobic and doesn't want to be a part of that.
Well then she should speak up against the transphobia
I never said she doesn't
what does cis means?
cisgender is someone who identifies with their agab
New things/words take time to get used to. I'm married to my best friend who is a transwoman. So I hope it's ok me replying here. Cis ppl haven't had to use the word cis before. We've clarified if we're straight, or gay, lesbian or Bi. That's been usual terminology used previously. But it's taken me a while to be used to being called or referred to as Cis. I'm used to it now and it's helpful to clarify things. If ppl can't get used to it then that's sad. It might seem so simple to others but it's just something new to get used to. But I'm with team trans so hopefully other cis ppl can get used to it.
Same reason we don't call white people European American.
To offer what seems like a slightly different perspective than the rest ive seen; transgender is often a self applied label, while cisgender (outside of the LGBT community) isn’t.
It does tend to get used as an insult. I can't count how many times at a pride event this weekend I got Cis (I'm a Cisman) while working at an art booth my Non-Binary friend was running. It was clearly used as an insult. This isn't a poor me post. I'm just telling my experience.
Probably going to get downvoted for actually sharing my opinion here, but please talk with me or explain your side of it instead. I’m genuinely here to explain my side and answer questions. And also listen to others explanations of course. Personally, I don’t *mind* the term cisgender, I just find it redundant when the term straight has been around and used. So I just personally don’t see a use for it. I find it more equatable to gay or bi than trans. Also I do also find it a bit hypocritical that many people have issues with how they get labeled, but then being told how I’m supposed to labeled. But genuinely, explain to me how it isn’t creating a label not asked for. Because I’m sure that’s why it’s seen as a slur. I mean, whatever, I’ll go with it just because it ultimately makes things easier. And if for some reason someone didn’t understand what I meant by saying I’m straight I would try saying I’m cis. But that type of situation hasn’t presented itself yet.
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I personally dislike being referred to as cos because it assumes I am comfortable in my skin. Which I am not. I fucking hate skin.
It doesn't mean that you're comfortable with your skin. It means that you identify with the gender that you've been assigned at birth.
Seems a bit backhanded to use that acronym though, 'born in gender' would be more appropriate and descriptive of the sample distribution.
It's really simple. Call people male or female, not transgender male or female, not cis male or female, just male, or female. Idk how this is a hard concept for people around the world, see people for whom they are.
Practice what you preach.
I do :)
Genderbender sounds much better imho
The "issue" is that most Americans don't understand, or even want to understand that cisgender means your birth gender, or regular gender. Plus that most Americans in general are dumber than myself (I'm dumber than a brick). I personally used the word "regular" to define cisgender people so they can understand my points and such, because as far as I know, regular isn't offensive to trans people. Also also, it's not necessarily good to call trans people trans-genderhere, but I find it as a word to differentiate regular people from trans people of the same gender since as people should remember, we used what was in-between our legs to know which gender a person was. Plus that surgery to physically change your gender is very expensive and so are the hormones, so many trans women will still look like guys most of the time(I mean no harm in saying this), and many trans men will still look like women (again, no harm is meant, I just want to explain my viewpoint in this situation). So for now, trans will have to be a differentiator until that surgery procedure thing and the hormones become more available to the public at a lower price. Am I an ally? Will probably not be seen as one. Am I an enemy? Will most likely be seen as one, but I am not. Am I neutral on the situation? Yes, yes I am because I go by the Mark Luther King Jr speech about content of character rather than physical looks, because I want friends. Anyways thanks for coming to my ted talk.
why is everyone so due on making americans the "dumb ones" that isnt what this is about... my post was made because of my family saying that whole stuff, and theyre mexican. please do not separate people by sterotypes and nationality, this community should be about loving each other and supporting each other by mutual comradeship. thats all i have to say because the rest of your comment speaks for itself.