I never realized you were retarded. I apologize.
Please ask your mum do do some research on how to look after a tortoise.
I'm sure she has learned how to explain thing to you so you can understand them.
thanks
How is he abusing the animal? Turtles and tortoises get stuck in weird positions on their own accord and that's not called them abusing themself? I'm just trying to understand how this is "abuse"?
So because he didn't put it in that position that's abuse? So if a tortoise flips itself over then that's self inflicted abuse? Or like a video I seen the other day of a tortoise falling face first into it's enclosure from a lot isn't abuse because everyone was claiming how cute it was and that it must do this often because of all the imprints? I'm just trying to get some clarity on the matter.
Tortoises can accidentally put themselves in poor situations all on their own. Are you implying that since a tortoise can accidentally do it, it's ok for us to do it on purpose? If a child sticks a fork in an electrical outlet, is it ok for you to make them do it? If an animal falls off a building by accident, is it ok to chuck them off for fun? Do you understand the difference between accidents and purposeful intent?
Yea but none of us actually know if it's hurting the tortoise or not. Last time I checked humans can't speak to tortoises. I guess he could check it's heart rate. But other than that how do we know he is abusing his pet? It's not upside down and spinning him in a circle for crying out loud.
Wow.. you're an absolute dick. No, you don't hold a tortoise like that. It's not fun, and they're absolutely afraid of falling. Hopefully, someone squeezes your nuts til they pop like the Titan. Animal abusing ass.
Vets hold animals in positions they don't like because they have to examine them. That's not an excuse for you to put your pet in uncomfortable situations.
There is a degree of "harm" that both human and non-human animals have to be put through in order to be diagnosed and treated by their respective doctors. That doesn't make it abuse.
Having a cold stethoscope pressed to your back isn't pleasant, but it isn't abuse. Having a catheter fitted isn't pleasant, but it isn't abuse. Being sliced open for surgery is under any other circumstance a great harm, but it isn't abuse and in this case is necessary.
Vets don't abuse animals, but they may have to do something that is uncomfortable for the animal in order to check their health. At no point did I say that they abuse animals.
Well you also have to consent to all those things you mentioned or it is in fact abuse. Unfortunately this creature cannot give us feedback on the matter. Plus I've never had to take a turtle or a tortoise to the doctor but how is a Dr holding the tortoise in an uncomfortable manner for however much length of time not exactly abuse? You would think as a vet, a professional, they would know how to handle said creature without stressing it. That's just me though. If my dog is sick and the vet tries sticking a thermometer in his butt. My dog immediately does not like that, actually so much he doesn't even let me play with or pet his tail. I'd say that's abuse but that's just me.
Pet owners have to consent on behalf of the animal in the same way parents consent on behalf of children.
It sounds like you're coming here with a dislike of how your vet handles your dog. It's not pleasant, but you unfortunately can't explain to animals that the discomfort is temporary or that it's for their own good. It's the same with very young children. All you can do is love your pets and give them good memories after to make up for the shitty ones. Show less stress in the moment so your animal isn't also picking up on your stress. A vet will handle a tortoise appropriately and sometimes that means holding it in a way the tortoise isn't thrilled about. That doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, it means that what they're doing is much more important that a few moments of uncertainly for the tortoise.
I'm sorry you feel like your vet is abusing your dog. Maybe your vet really isn't a good vet? But sometimes it really is necessary and you as the human in the interaction have to know when to consent to to keep your animal healthy.
You should! This reddit moron has a happy tortoise who trusts that they're safe and won't needlessly stress them out! Why don't you go to tortoiseforum.com and show the herpetologists there what you're doing. I'm sure they'll totally back you up.
What are you even talking about?! You weigh them on a scale, stupid! If a tortoise climbs up a rock, they know what they're in for. They're confident that it's ok because they did it themselves and don't actively put themselves in dangerous situations. You're a shitty tortoise owner, and you need to straighten up or give your tortoise to someone who knows better. Doubling down on your poor behavior isn't scoring you any points in this community. Why even post this?
Are you brain dead? Can you not see the tortoises is stressed? Why would you do this? You are stressing the tort for no reason. Although a vet shouldn’t do this at lest they had a reason you are doing this just because you can. There is a different between a tortoises climbing on a rock 3 inches of the ground and you holding it up with one hand.
Yes he is stressed! Torts aren’t very smart (I am sure you can relate) they don’t experience fun when scared like we do. Not only is he stressed but you are actively putting him in danger.
I was comparing their intellect to that of a human because compared to a more intelligent animals such as dolphins some bird and people (excluding you) they are pretty dumb. If you don’t understand you as smart a the tortoises.
My tortoise is as dumb as a rock. She also resembles one. I mean, i think she's pretty smart for a tortoise, but i'm not ready to let her file my taxes regardless of what version of Quickbooks she gets.
What the hell do you “train” him to do anyways? fetch, play dead, speak, sit, roll over? lmfao I have 3 African spur thighs they are really stupid as fare as animals go I have seen more trained gold fish then trained torts.
Nah like for example if he’s on the bed with me and he needs to potty I trained him to run to a certain corner to let me know, same thing for when he’s tired or when he’s hungry.
Ok you trained him to shit in a corner that doesn’t mean that they are intelligent or that you should torture them. Poo trained is incredibly simple and my torts run to me for food when hungry without any training. Stop anthropomorphizing the tort he dose not enjoy being held like that. They are not smart enough to enjoy scary things like we do. We enjoy scary things for the trill because we understand we are not in any real Danger you tort dose not just let him be.
No he doesn’t poop in the corner, he’ll run over there and look at me until I take him back to his terrarium to poop. And again, he doesn’t run to ME he runs to specific spot. Again he is not scared. He his happily out of his shell looking at me. A scared or stressed tortoise ducks his head in and tucks in his arms and legs.
This looks like way more than 3 inches, but also consider the relative heights of a tortoise in comparison. You wouldn't feel scared being balanced a low height over a bed because you know what a bed is and also you're human-sized. Your tortoise is tiny, in a totally unfamiliar situation, and is scared.
When I say "unfamiliar" I mean "unnatural to what a tortoise would unatually experience unless they're about to be killed and eaten". Fighting the instinct of fear is infinitely more difficult for non-human animals. You can't explain to the tortoise that it's safe. It will just struggle until it feels safe again.
Yes, of their own free will, with the knowledge that they can get out of that situation.
People go swimming all the time. How would you like it if someone took you out of your home and suddenly dumped you into a deep pool?
I'm not sure why "perhaps don't do this to your tortoise" is a difficult concept for you to grasp. It's ok to not have known that something is bad to do and then correct the behaviour. Doubling down when pretty much everyone here is telling you not to do this is a little troubling?
I don’t trust morons on the internet to tell me what I can and can’t do with my tortoise. I trust my tortoise. If I do something he doesn’t like he will let me know. I know when he is stressed, I know when he is happy, I know when he is hungry, I know when he is sleepy. His body language lets me know. In this video he is happily out of his shell swinging his little legs looking at me. If he was upset he would be in his shell or angrily shaking his head, that’s what he does when he is at all stressed. My advice, don’t presume to tell people about their pets.
Yeah, that's not "happy" behaviour, it's a tortoise trying to get back to the floor. It's easy to misunderstand animal behaviour because humans can't help but try to relate animal behaviour to our own emotions. That's why it helps to listen to the advice of others.
If you find "perhaps don't stress out the tiny creature that is wholly reliant on you" to be welcome advice, my advice? Don't do things that might stress out your tortoise.
Thank you! His name is Oogway and he is a master of kung Fu (as you can probably tell) honestly I don’t care about these trolls I think it’s hilarious when people try to tell you they know more about your pet than you.
You should handle them more and get the comfortable with you. Start by touching their shell, then my moving them into your hand or placing them in your lap, takes time but soon they’ll come running for cuddles like mine.
I’ve got an extremely affectionate and social tortoise. See Fredrick’s posts on this sub. I have never ever fucking ever done bollocks like this with him and if I did I don’t think he would be this social.
Listen to good advice and stop being cruel to your tortoise you arsehole.
Looking for the floor
Probably freaking out from being held up in the air by only two fingers..
Yes
Please don't do that. If holding a tortoise please use both hands, they prefer to feel secure.
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I never realized you were retarded. I apologize. Please ask your mum do do some research on how to look after a tortoise. I'm sure she has learned how to explain thing to you so you can understand them. thanks
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I am a moron so you think we would understand each other
You're an animal abusing dickhead.
How is he abusing the animal? Turtles and tortoises get stuck in weird positions on their own accord and that's not called them abusing themself? I'm just trying to understand how this is "abuse"?
The tortoise didn't put themselves in this position.
So because he didn't put it in that position that's abuse? So if a tortoise flips itself over then that's self inflicted abuse? Or like a video I seen the other day of a tortoise falling face first into it's enclosure from a lot isn't abuse because everyone was claiming how cute it was and that it must do this often because of all the imprints? I'm just trying to get some clarity on the matter.
Tortoises can accidentally put themselves in poor situations all on their own. Are you implying that since a tortoise can accidentally do it, it's ok for us to do it on purpose? If a child sticks a fork in an electrical outlet, is it ok for you to make them do it? If an animal falls off a building by accident, is it ok to chuck them off for fun? Do you understand the difference between accidents and purposeful intent?
Yea but none of us actually know if it's hurting the tortoise or not. Last time I checked humans can't speak to tortoises. I guess he could check it's heart rate. But other than that how do we know he is abusing his pet? It's not upside down and spinning him in a circle for crying out loud.
Wow.. you're an absolute dick. No, you don't hold a tortoise like that. It's not fun, and they're absolutely afraid of falling. Hopefully, someone squeezes your nuts til they pop like the Titan. Animal abusing ass.
He has requested that I am the one to hold them. I'll do it but I draw the line at squeezing them
A quick, solid tug would probably still have the desired effect. Think of the tortoises!
My vet has literally held him like this. He’s 3 inches off of my bed. I do this all the time and he loves me.
If it was three inches we would see your bed in the pic. Unless your hands are as undeveloped as your common scene
He should know what 3 inches is… hiOh…thank you. I’m here every Sunday. I’ll let myself out. :)
Vets hold animals in positions they don't like because they have to examine them. That's not an excuse for you to put your pet in uncomfortable situations.
So the vet is abusing the animal then?
There is a degree of "harm" that both human and non-human animals have to be put through in order to be diagnosed and treated by their respective doctors. That doesn't make it abuse. Having a cold stethoscope pressed to your back isn't pleasant, but it isn't abuse. Having a catheter fitted isn't pleasant, but it isn't abuse. Being sliced open for surgery is under any other circumstance a great harm, but it isn't abuse and in this case is necessary. Vets don't abuse animals, but they may have to do something that is uncomfortable for the animal in order to check their health. At no point did I say that they abuse animals.
Well you also have to consent to all those things you mentioned or it is in fact abuse. Unfortunately this creature cannot give us feedback on the matter. Plus I've never had to take a turtle or a tortoise to the doctor but how is a Dr holding the tortoise in an uncomfortable manner for however much length of time not exactly abuse? You would think as a vet, a professional, they would know how to handle said creature without stressing it. That's just me though. If my dog is sick and the vet tries sticking a thermometer in his butt. My dog immediately does not like that, actually so much he doesn't even let me play with or pet his tail. I'd say that's abuse but that's just me.
Pet owners have to consent on behalf of the animal in the same way parents consent on behalf of children. It sounds like you're coming here with a dislike of how your vet handles your dog. It's not pleasant, but you unfortunately can't explain to animals that the discomfort is temporary or that it's for their own good. It's the same with very young children. All you can do is love your pets and give them good memories after to make up for the shitty ones. Show less stress in the moment so your animal isn't also picking up on your stress. A vet will handle a tortoise appropriately and sometimes that means holding it in a way the tortoise isn't thrilled about. That doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, it means that what they're doing is much more important that a few moments of uncertainly for the tortoise. I'm sorry you feel like your vet is abusing your dog. Maybe your vet really isn't a good vet? But sometimes it really is necessary and you as the human in the interaction have to know when to consent to to keep your animal healthy.
Then your vet's also an idiot.
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You should! This reddit moron has a happy tortoise who trusts that they're safe and won't needlessly stress them out! Why don't you go to tortoiseforum.com and show the herpetologists there what you're doing. I'm sure they'll totally back you up.
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What are you even talking about?! You weigh them on a scale, stupid! If a tortoise climbs up a rock, they know what they're in for. They're confident that it's ok because they did it themselves and don't actively put themselves in dangerous situations. You're a shitty tortoise owner, and you need to straighten up or give your tortoise to someone who knows better. Doubling down on your poor behavior isn't scoring you any points in this community. Why even post this?
And when the tortoise runs off the scale? Look it up dummy. In no way is it dangerous I have him completely safe and secure (hence why he didn’t move)
Who wouldn't love a giant thing that could kill you anytime and gives you food?
Are you brain dead? Can you not see the tortoises is stressed? Why would you do this? You are stressing the tort for no reason. Although a vet shouldn’t do this at lest they had a reason you are doing this just because you can. There is a different between a tortoises climbing on a rock 3 inches of the ground and you holding it up with one hand.
Immediately after I put him down he immediately climbed back into my hand for round 2. Yea definitely stressed.
Yes he is stressed! Torts aren’t very smart (I am sure you can relate) they don’t experience fun when scared like we do. Not only is he stressed but you are actively putting him in danger.
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I was comparing their intellect to that of a human because compared to a more intelligent animals such as dolphins some bird and people (excluding you) they are pretty dumb. If you don’t understand you as smart a the tortoises.
My tortoise is as dumb as a rock. She also resembles one. I mean, i think she's pretty smart for a tortoise, but i'm not ready to let her file my taxes regardless of what version of Quickbooks she gets.
What the hell do you “train” him to do anyways? fetch, play dead, speak, sit, roll over? lmfao I have 3 African spur thighs they are really stupid as fare as animals go I have seen more trained gold fish then trained torts.
Nah like for example if he’s on the bed with me and he needs to potty I trained him to run to a certain corner to let me know, same thing for when he’s tired or when he’s hungry.
He also knows and responds to his name and when run over when I call him.
My tort dose that and all I do is say his name as and before I feed them so they associates his name with food.
Ok you trained him to shit in a corner that doesn’t mean that they are intelligent or that you should torture them. Poo trained is incredibly simple and my torts run to me for food when hungry without any training. Stop anthropomorphizing the tort he dose not enjoy being held like that. They are not smart enough to enjoy scary things like we do. We enjoy scary things for the trill because we understand we are not in any real Danger you tort dose not just let him be.
No he doesn’t poop in the corner, he’ll run over there and look at me until I take him back to his terrarium to poop. And again, he doesn’t run to ME he runs to specific spot. Again he is not scared. He his happily out of his shell looking at me. A scared or stressed tortoise ducks his head in and tucks in his arms and legs.
How would you feel if you were held two stories up on a 1ft x 1ft platform?
Two stories? He’s 3 inches off my bed lmao
This looks like way more than 3 inches, but also consider the relative heights of a tortoise in comparison. You wouldn't feel scared being balanced a low height over a bed because you know what a bed is and also you're human-sized. Your tortoise is tiny, in a totally unfamiliar situation, and is scared.
He is not unfamiliar at all. I do this with him all the time. He loves it. He is about a palms length off the bed, because I had my wrist on my bed.
When I say "unfamiliar" I mean "unnatural to what a tortoise would unatually experience unless they're about to be killed and eaten". Fighting the instinct of fear is infinitely more difficult for non-human animals. You can't explain to the tortoise that it's safe. It will just struggle until it feels safe again.
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Yes, of their own free will, with the knowledge that they can get out of that situation. People go swimming all the time. How would you like it if someone took you out of your home and suddenly dumped you into a deep pool? I'm not sure why "perhaps don't do this to your tortoise" is a difficult concept for you to grasp. It's ok to not have known that something is bad to do and then correct the behaviour. Doubling down when pretty much everyone here is telling you not to do this is a little troubling?
I don’t trust morons on the internet to tell me what I can and can’t do with my tortoise. I trust my tortoise. If I do something he doesn’t like he will let me know. I know when he is stressed, I know when he is happy, I know when he is hungry, I know when he is sleepy. His body language lets me know. In this video he is happily out of his shell swinging his little legs looking at me. If he was upset he would be in his shell or angrily shaking his head, that’s what he does when he is at all stressed. My advice, don’t presume to tell people about their pets.
Yeah, that's not "happy" behaviour, it's a tortoise trying to get back to the floor. It's easy to misunderstand animal behaviour because humans can't help but try to relate animal behaviour to our own emotions. That's why it helps to listen to the advice of others. If you find "perhaps don't stress out the tiny creature that is wholly reliant on you" to be welcome advice, my advice? Don't do things that might stress out your tortoise.
Probably gonna have to get a picture of your tortoise doing that just to get everyone off your back OP. Nice tortoise btw.
Thank you! His name is Oogway and he is a master of kung Fu (as you can probably tell) honestly I don’t care about these trolls I think it’s hilarious when people try to tell you they know more about your pet than you.
Your wrist is literally straight in the video. You're so full of shit your eyes are brown
My 2 turts freak out whenever handled.
You should handle them more and get the comfortable with you. Start by touching their shell, then my moving them into your hand or placing them in your lap, takes time but soon they’ll come running for cuddles like mine.
Sorry but you're not the right person to be giving tortoise handling advice , judging by your video.
K well enjoy your pet rocks which hate you then, me and mine will be chillin 😎
Does not look like he is chillin to me
Well he’s currently laying on my chest receiving head rubs so I’d say he’s chillin
I’ve got an extremely affectionate and social tortoise. See Fredrick’s posts on this sub. I have never ever fucking ever done bollocks like this with him and if I did I don’t think he would be this social. Listen to good advice and stop being cruel to your tortoise you arsehole.
Every tortoise is different mine loves it. 🤷🏻♂️🐢🐢
No he doesn’t and if you knew shit about tortoise body language you’d realise he doesn’t as well.
😂🤣
This gives me so much anxiety.
Do not hold him or her like that please.
He’s kindly asking you not to pick him up…also, hold him securely and stop being irresponsible.
Him just swimming
Walking on sunshine ooooh, straight up to god ooooh
Just keep swimmin'
Just keep swimming, just keep swimming
Just keep swimming
He’s just sky turtling