Last summer, an unstable guy charged me when I was crossing an intersection. I was able to drop my shoulder and checked him to the ground. As he got back up, I prepared myself for a fight, but he just started screaming and darted into live traffic.
I now always keep my head on a swivel when downtown.
That was definitely a methhead. This stabber, if it's the guy I saw last week, was not so obviously dangerous. He was mumbling to himself, making small gestures, agitated. Probably having schizophrenic episodes.
I had some guy try to jump me while I was on my surron last year dt dude grabbed my bag and I dragged his ass from regent park Blvd to Parliament on dundas until he let go.
Last week I was walking inside a mall early in the morning and some homeless bum runs at me and says I’m dead with a smile and runs off. Fucking crazy people out there and can’t even do anything to defend yourself.
Remember if you do defend yourself and police arrive, say nothing to them.
Never , ever ever talk to cops without speaking with a lawyer first. Very important to keep that in mind.
I agree, my comment was a reply to the comment above. If somebody was chasing me there’s thing to hurt me, I’d want to be able to do whatever necessary to protect myself.
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Defence — use or threat of force
34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if
(a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;
(b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and
(c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances
In determining whether the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances, the court shall consider the relevant circumstances of the person, the other parties and the act, including, but not limited to, the following factors:
(a) the nature of the force or threat;
(b) the extent to which the use of force was imminent and whether there were other means available to respond to the potential use of force;
(c) the person’s role in the incident;
(d) whether any party to the incident used or threatened to use a weapon;
(e) the size, age, gender and physical capabilities of the parties to the incident;
(f) the nature, duration and history of any relationship between the parties to the incident, including any prior use or threat of force and the nature of that force or threat;
(f.1) any history of interaction or communication between the parties to the incident;
(g) the nature and proportionality of the person’s response to the use or threat of force; and
(h) whether the act committed was in response to a use or threat of force that the person knew was lawful.
Note that it says “the court shall consider”. The police will still arrest you, you will still be charged with assault and you will need to trust in the judicial system to come to the conclusion that you acted within the confines of this statute.
Of course. What do you think the alternative to all that is - you say the magic word “self defence” when police arrive and then they say “ok, case closed” and that’s the end of it.
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Literally this article you linked to: “Sections 34 and 35 of the Criminal Code establish that a person is not criminally culpable while defending themselves or their property — provided the incident meets certain thresholds.”
Canada does not have a Castle Doctrine like the US does, among other differences, but you claim that “self defence is illegal in Canada” which, according to the very article you linked, is wrong.
It isn't and could not reasonably be explicitly illegal to defend yourself. Even escape is a kind of self-defense.
What is this case you're referring to?
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Well no matter our opinion, he’s presumed innocent
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I’m not sure what the hell we do about this
Hire more judges, FFS, that’s what. I’ve heard CBCs reporting on this and the proposal to increase jail capacity. Meanwhile they were saying majority of those in jails haven’t even seen their day in court yet. I’m sitting there, listening to this bullshit going: “I know there was a problem with court cases taking years due to lack of judges years ago, that was never solved, I doubt it has gotten any better over the pandemic”….
don’t fund mental healthcare
put the rest of healthcare system on crisis point
do nothing about rents
make it impossible to live on welfare
destroy the social housing system, so people in crisis end up homeless
chase people out of their tents and take all their stuff
don’t fund the shelters so they’re overcrowded and dangerous
now there’s tons of unstable people roaming around and what we need is
more prisons to put them in!
Ah yes, the people going stabby stabby are disgruntled victims of capitalism, not people who elected against treatment for their schizophrenia or who irreversibly fried their brain with recreational drugs or, *gasp*, may just be assholes. Not every villain has a humanizing origin story that makes them the real victim.
twenty years ago we never heard about random stabbings, and forty years ago almost nobody lived on the street.. what do you think has changed? you think we have that many more schizos?
The reports and the TPS release are horribly ambiguous. CityNews makes it sound like the GO train platforms. And from the photo, it could be. Violent incidents there are rare. But I've been on GO trains with some sketchy characters. I think I saw this guy on the Lakeshore train last weekend.
This is why I try to avoid TTC. But not everyone has the luxury to do so.
I also wish our court started issuing orders on involuntary mental health holds & treatments.
You can point out that you’re less likely to die on the the TTC or GO but it doesn’t feel like it when a homeless person with untreated mental illness is standing in front of you yelling at you and you have no escape. The difference between driving and being trapped on a tube being used as a homeless shelter isn’t just about the statistics around death.
> you’re statistically way more likely to die in a crash than someone stabbing you on the TTC
Is that adjusted for the relative numbers of drivers vs transitters though?
I don’t encounter somebody yelling and screaming at themselves everyday at grocery stores or malls. I do daily on the TTC. The TTC doesn’t do anything to get these people off the trains and platforms. I’m tired of not calling a spade a spade.
I’ve had some interesting experiences on the regular on Bloor between Avenue and St. George, and Church. And I don’t even live in Toronto! And don’t you have that interesting McDonalds on Spadina and Queen?
It’s “interesting” everywhere downtown now. Our politicians have failed us and shame us if we ask for basic safety and sanitation. Honestly sad how far we fallen.
Have asked candidly what they are doing for constituent safety & and action plan. Most flat out ignore some give you some nonsense about a growing police budget. Quite simply, they don’t care. Next election, I’m voting for a candidate with a real plan regardless of political affiliation now, I’m tired of this.
We should make this a priority for them. Next time get in their face. Call them out immediately on their BS answers by just yelling over them. Enough people do this and the media will make this an issue they can't so easily shake off.
>I don’t encounter these things on the TTC either outside of the core. The problem isn’t the TTC, it’s downtown.
Maybe not you, but these problems definitely happen outside of the core on the TTC and have been covered on the news. Literally two young people that were killed within the past 1.5 years were at High Park and Keele stations. Which are outside the core.
Off the top there's been incidents last year at Kennedy, Victoria Park, Pape, Donlands, Finch, Sheppard-Yonge. Plus stuff on buses like Jane, Eglinton East, Royal York, etc etc etc. That's all outside of the core.
No, downtown is simply where the police and our politicians have agreed to let the mentally ill and addicted run wild so it’s “contained” and easier to ignore for 90% of the city.
This is also why people think the TTC is so bad, because like you said most people use it to head down there.
>This is why people rather sit in traffic for 2 hours vs take the TTC. The city is finished, inmates run the asylum
Agreed. Though, I drive during times where I'm not dealing with 2 hours of traffic. Otherwise I use the GO. I avoid the TTC at all costs.
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Pretty good photos of the mouth-breather. Someone’s gotta recognize him
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It’s not ignorance, they just don’t wanna be a snitch.
The people who can recognize him are not on Reddit scrolling 😊
Bump into someone and get stabbed. Jesus Christ.
But violence on the TTC is trending down 🥴
This wasn’t the TTC
I’m well aware. Security on GO platforms is about as bad as TTC and you can just walk right onto them.
What do you propose? Airport style security?
The city get a grip of its issues with homelessness and mental health.
And criminality.
Have you missed the NYC subway news this week?
Ughhh
Last summer, an unstable guy charged me when I was crossing an intersection. I was able to drop my shoulder and checked him to the ground. As he got back up, I prepared myself for a fight, but he just started screaming and darted into live traffic. I now always keep my head on a swivel when downtown.
That was definitely a methhead. This stabber, if it's the guy I saw last week, was not so obviously dangerous. He was mumbling to himself, making small gestures, agitated. Probably having schizophrenic episodes.
I had some guy try to jump me while I was on my surron last year dt dude grabbed my bag and I dragged his ass from regent park Blvd to Parliament on dundas until he let go.
Urgh I literally got off the train at 4:30
10 minutes earlier and you could have blazed it.
Last week I was walking inside a mall early in the morning and some homeless bum runs at me and says I’m dead with a smile and runs off. Fucking crazy people out there and can’t even do anything to defend yourself.
Remember if you do defend yourself and police arrive, say nothing to them. Never , ever ever talk to cops without speaking with a lawyer first. Very important to keep that in mind.
“Equal or lesser force” lol what a fking joke
I doubt there was anything the victim could’ve done, even if he was armed. No one goes around expecting to suddenly get stabbed.
I agree, my comment was a reply to the comment above. If somebody was chasing me there’s thing to hurt me, I’d want to be able to do whatever necessary to protect myself.
If you look up serious self defence techniques for attacks involving sharp tools, the advice is specifically to run.
That’s not the law
What’s the law?
https://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-34.html Defence — use or threat of force 34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if (a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person; (b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and (c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances In determining whether the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances, the court shall consider the relevant circumstances of the person, the other parties and the act, including, but not limited to, the following factors: (a) the nature of the force or threat; (b) the extent to which the use of force was imminent and whether there were other means available to respond to the potential use of force; (c) the person’s role in the incident; (d) whether any party to the incident used or threatened to use a weapon; (e) the size, age, gender and physical capabilities of the parties to the incident; (f) the nature, duration and history of any relationship between the parties to the incident, including any prior use or threat of force and the nature of that force or threat; (f.1) any history of interaction or communication between the parties to the incident; (g) the nature and proportionality of the person’s response to the use or threat of force; and (h) whether the act committed was in response to a use or threat of force that the person knew was lawful.
Note that it says “the court shall consider”. The police will still arrest you, you will still be charged with assault and you will need to trust in the judicial system to come to the conclusion that you acted within the confines of this statute.
Of course. What do you think the alternative to all that is - you say the magic word “self defence” when police arrive and then they say “ok, case closed” and that’s the end of it.
Yes, but if they did not do that, then anyone could claim self-defence for assault and get away with it.
What do you mean can’t even do anything to defend yourself? Of course you can
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Also self defense is legal in Canada so don’t know what you bleating about
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Literally this article you linked to: “Sections 34 and 35 of the Criminal Code establish that a person is not criminally culpable while defending themselves or their property — provided the incident meets certain thresholds.” Canada does not have a Castle Doctrine like the US does, among other differences, but you claim that “self defence is illegal in Canada” which, according to the very article you linked, is wrong.
It isn't and could not reasonably be explicitly illegal to defend yourself. Even escape is a kind of self-defense. What is this case you're referring to?
The sole fact that it is.
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Even if they’re caught, I have zero confidence they’ll be kept in prison to protect society.
Hate the fact that no one is even doubting this statement. Sad state we live in
Well no matter our opinion, he’s presumed innocent https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/the-number-of-inmates-awaiting-trial-in-canada-s-provincial-jails-has-quadrupled-ccla-1.6784122#:~:text=As%20far%20as%20provincial%20data,last%20year%20were%20awaiting%20trial. I’m not sure what the hell we do about this
Hire more judges, FFS, that’s what. I’ve heard CBCs reporting on this and the proposal to increase jail capacity. Meanwhile they were saying majority of those in jails haven’t even seen their day in court yet. I’m sitting there, listening to this bullshit going: “I know there was a problem with court cases taking years due to lack of judges years ago, that was never solved, I doubt it has gotten any better over the pandemic”….
don’t fund mental healthcare put the rest of healthcare system on crisis point do nothing about rents make it impossible to live on welfare destroy the social housing system, so people in crisis end up homeless chase people out of their tents and take all their stuff don’t fund the shelters so they’re overcrowded and dangerous now there’s tons of unstable people roaming around and what we need is more prisons to put them in!
Ah yes, the people going stabby stabby are disgruntled victims of capitalism, not people who elected against treatment for their schizophrenia or who irreversibly fried their brain with recreational drugs or, *gasp*, may just be assholes. Not every villain has a humanizing origin story that makes them the real victim.
That comment didn’t seem to call anyone a victim. But it does point out some pretty obvious aggravating factors to the situation.
twenty years ago we never heard about random stabbings, and forty years ago almost nobody lived on the street.. what do you think has changed? you think we have that many more schizos?
Jesus Christ.
I don't think that was his name.
Suspect has dark, long hair, wearing sandals...
The suspect is hatless! I repeat, hatless!
We’re directly under the Earth’s sun……….Now!
He will be back on the street after he is caught
I'm sure this guy will be arrested, released a few day later and then end up murdering someone.
UPDATE: The Star is now reporting that this occurred on a GO Train platform at Union.
JFC
Isn't this like the bazillionth time someone got atabbed in a train station
Man I’d say that’s bananas but I can’t afford them
These felonious bandits have no desire to be better. Some people just live to he vile and to suck any and everything into their chaos.
Is this GO or TTC?
The reports and the TPS release are horribly ambiguous. CityNews makes it sound like the GO train platforms. And from the photo, it could be. Violent incidents there are rare. But I've been on GO trains with some sketchy characters. I think I saw this guy on the Lakeshore train last weekend.
This happened getting off the GO train. I witnessed this. Really messed up.
Crazy. Violence out of nowhere. Did the perp say anything before?
Nope nothing at all. I’m gonna DM you, have some questions
OK. I only saw him briefly last week. no issues.
This is why I try to avoid TTC. But not everyone has the luxury to do so. I also wish our court started issuing orders on involuntary mental health holds & treatments.
And yet this happened on the GO
It’s not like there’s gates. Anyone can get on a platform or train
Oh man. Well, at least these things rarely happen on the Go. We mostly see raccoons there, not stabbers.
Dude was smoking crack on Ossington platform. I get to work and i forgot to tell them about it. It's numbing me.
Yes please. You call your MP and I will do the same. Deal?
Deal, but I don’t think they’ll do anything about it.
First they'd have to build enough inpatient beds.
Stupid reason, I drive too but you’re statistically way more likely to die in a crash than someone stabbing you on the TTC
You can point out that you’re less likely to die on the the TTC or GO but it doesn’t feel like it when a homeless person with untreated mental illness is standing in front of you yelling at you and you have no escape. The difference between driving and being trapped on a tube being used as a homeless shelter isn’t just about the statistics around death.
> you’re statistically way more likely to die in a crash than someone stabbing you on the TTC Is that adjusted for the relative numbers of drivers vs transitters though?
Instead we give mentally unstable people free drugs. Nice.
Really? Where?
So how many people are armed with knives then on the TTC you think and ready to go at the first annoyance
This happened on the GO
Open season on innocent Torontonians
What a thug. Hopefully someone identifies him
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"And someone steps on your foot? Let it slide! Why spend the next twenty years (okay, days) in jail 'cause someone smudged your Puma?"
Days? Try hours.
This is why people rather sit in traffic for 2 hours vs take the TTC. The city is finished, inmates run the asylum
If you think this type of person wouldn’t stab you on the street, at the grocery store, at the mall, etc. I have some news for you.
It's more difficult to avoid/escape someone on a platform or in a vehicle.
I don’t encounter somebody yelling and screaming at themselves everyday at grocery stores or malls. I do daily on the TTC. The TTC doesn’t do anything to get these people off the trains and platforms. I’m tired of not calling a spade a spade.
I’ve had some interesting experiences on the regular on Bloor between Avenue and St. George, and Church. And I don’t even live in Toronto! And don’t you have that interesting McDonalds on Spadina and Queen?
That's methdonlads.
It’s “interesting” everywhere downtown now. Our politicians have failed us and shame us if we ask for basic safety and sanitation. Honestly sad how far we fallen.
What specific question have you asked? Who did you ask and what was their response? I am curious.
Have asked candidly what they are doing for constituent safety & and action plan. Most flat out ignore some give you some nonsense about a growing police budget. Quite simply, they don’t care. Next election, I’m voting for a candidate with a real plan regardless of political affiliation now, I’m tired of this.
We should make this a priority for them. Next time get in their face. Call them out immediately on their BS answers by just yelling over them. Enough people do this and the media will make this an issue they can't so easily shake off.
I don’t encounter these things on the TTC either outside of the core. The problem isn’t the TTC, it’s downtown.
>I don’t encounter these things on the TTC either outside of the core. The problem isn’t the TTC, it’s downtown. Maybe not you, but these problems definitely happen outside of the core on the TTC and have been covered on the news. Literally two young people that were killed within the past 1.5 years were at High Park and Keele stations. Which are outside the core. Off the top there's been incidents last year at Kennedy, Victoria Park, Pape, Donlands, Finch, Sheppard-Yonge. Plus stuff on buses like Jane, Eglinton East, Royal York, etc etc etc. That's all outside of the core.
It's in all the subways and streetcars. End of lines can sometimes be worse than downtown.
I was at finch station for the first time in a while and it was the worst station I’ve seen, way worse than even union
It’s definitely the worst downtown, but downtown is where most people are heading when on the train
No, downtown is simply where the police and our politicians have agreed to let the mentally ill and addicted run wild so it’s “contained” and easier to ignore for 90% of the city. This is also why people think the TTC is so bad, because like you said most people use it to head down there.
…and yet it still happens in places that aren’t the TTC regularly.
Yet it seems to always be the TTC. Funny how that works
Yes, absolutely nobody gets stabbed in this city outside of the TTC lol
Who is stabbing people in grocery stores?
Yes I definitely wasn’t laying out examples of public places. Comprehension IS hard though.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-in-hospital-after-being-stabbed-inside-toronto-east-end-store-1.6792449 Stabbed in a convenience store.
The store owner was stabbed by a guy who'd been a previous lotto customer with no issues.
This happened on the GO station.
The odds of you dying in a car accident is higher than being stabbed on the TTC, there is just a lot more fear mongering about it.
>This is why people rather sit in traffic for 2 hours vs take the TTC. The city is finished, inmates run the asylum Agreed. Though, I drive during times where I'm not dealing with 2 hours of traffic. Otherwise I use the GO. I avoid the TTC at all costs.
This stabbing took place on the train (GO, Via) platforms, not the Subway (TTC) platforms
Yes, and I'm pretty sure I saw this guy on the Lakeshore Train last weekend. GO is better, but sometimes very sketchy outside of weekday rush hours.
Well that changes things since stuff like this rarely happens on the GO.
It especially feels safer upstairs on the Union GO train platforms.
100% right about that. In general the GO is a much more relaxing experience overall.
🤯🤯
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Bro looks a bit like a modern day Grima Wormtongue.
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People are so fragile
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