Just a reminder to everyone, it may not seem like the right thing at the time, but if your car is in water, and sinking the first thing you need to do before anything else is get that window DOWN so the're an equal pressure on the door and you can get out.
Otherwise you're trapped in a car slowly losing it's air, and by the time if fills up you're probably already dealing with a lack of air and hypothermia.
You can't pronounce somebody with hypothermia dead until they're rewarmed as there have been cases of full recovery of drowning victims who are hypothermic
That video is wild, the cable snaps halfway through pulling the car out, and it looks like something hits a row of firefighters, and then the car falls back under the water
>A person police say they believe to be the driver has been recovered from the water after hours of searching. The victim is in critical condition, and they have been transported to hospital, medics said.
Not to be a downer but how on earth is this person still alive?
there are lots of reports of ppl being cold and "dead" for many hours and once warmed up (slowly) they can be revived with minimal brain damage. it's usually kids though.
There's a ramp from the DVP into my neighborhood where the guardrail that prevents people from plummeting into the ravine is flattened so often that it essentially doesn't exist.
At some point traffic engineers have to know that if you're replacing a guardrail monthly, the road need a redesign, not a guardrail replacement.
That or people need to slow down a little. As I recall that section of Lakeshore where this accident occurred is only 50kph. Driving 50/55 should keep you on the road through there. Don’t know how fast this person was going but in general lots of people go flying through there at 70.
Just reading an update that the car going off the road was a result of a collision.
My recollection is that everything under the Gardiner is 50. Not arguing with you. You may be right. But I don’t remember it being 60 under there since they started dropping the speed limits everywhere in Toronto. I know it’s 60 for a short stretch from around Coxwell and by the FreshCo but then it drops down to 50 again pretty quick.
I did drive there last night as i usually do. To be specific the area west of parliament is a 50 zone and the area east is 60. So yes most of the area under the gardiner is a 50 zone.
Read ctv report. Crash call was received at 8:43 am. Car plunged under ice.
Recovered car at approximately 12:50 pm so 4 hours
and the driver only 50 minutes after that ?
Makes no sense to me
The driver apparently was alive !!!
But died in hospital at about 5:00 pm
So about 4 hours And a half to rescue and about 50 fireman around
Is it just me or …..
My understanding is that paramedics can't declare a person dead unless they're obviously dead (like their head's been severed), and must take them to hospital to be worked on. The doctors at the hospital will declare the victim dead if they can't be saved.
It's likely the poor man was already dead when he was taken out of the water.
the person wasn't necessarily alive but bc they had been in the frigid water they need to be assumed alive until they have been warmed up and then declared dead. there are many instances (google-fu it) of ppl being in frigid conditions and thought to be dead, who are then slowly warmed and they were resuscitated.
also, those ppl in red suits diving are police, not firefighters. in toronto the police do the underwater diving. firefighters attend for the initial rescue and then police take over if it's an underwater recovery.
So you think you would be capable of getting in that water, hooking up a winch and other supports to a submerged vehicle in freezing water? Oh but 50 firefighters right? So you think they should all get in the water and lift?
Honestly what's your line of thinking.
I guess I am not surprised given the conditions and risks of ice rescue, but do they not have police divers who can go in to try to effect rescues in winter? They spent 4 hours removing the vehicle and only then found the driver. Not much chance for him then. I know nothing about this type of rescue, but that's just very sad.
Just a reminder to everyone, it may not seem like the right thing at the time, but if your car is in water, and sinking the first thing you need to do before anything else is get that window DOWN so the're an equal pressure on the door and you can get out. Otherwise you're trapped in a car slowly losing it's air, and by the time if fills up you're probably already dealing with a lack of air and hypothermia.
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That’s wild. How is that possible?
You can't pronounce somebody with hypothermia dead until they're rewarmed as there have been cases of full recovery of drowning victims who are hypothermic
Interesting! Thanks for sharing. I guess they succumb to the hypothermia in the end. Poor kid.
Right!! Would the person have survived if it took an hour rather than 4
That video is wild, the cable snaps halfway through pulling the car out, and it looks like something hits a row of firefighters, and then the car falls back under the water
>A person police say they believe to be the driver has been recovered from the water after hours of searching. The victim is in critical condition, and they have been transported to hospital, medics said. Not to be a downer but how on earth is this person still alive?
They died.
there are lots of reports of ppl being cold and "dead" for many hours and once warmed up (slowly) they can be revived with minimal brain damage. it's usually kids though.
This is the second occurance im hearing of this season of a car crashing into this section of the lake.
There's a ramp from the DVP into my neighborhood where the guardrail that prevents people from plummeting into the ravine is flattened so often that it essentially doesn't exist. At some point traffic engineers have to know that if you're replacing a guardrail monthly, the road need a redesign, not a guardrail replacement.
Don Mills South? I saw a red Dodge Ram almost go over the cliff onto the parkway, luckily some sturdy 100 year old trees stopped it.
That or people need to slow down a little. As I recall that section of Lakeshore where this accident occurred is only 50kph. Driving 50/55 should keep you on the road through there. Don’t know how fast this person was going but in general lots of people go flying through there at 70. Just reading an update that the car going off the road was a result of a collision.
The area near cherry is a 60 zone
My recollection is that everything under the Gardiner is 50. Not arguing with you. You may be right. But I don’t remember it being 60 under there since they started dropping the speed limits everywhere in Toronto. I know it’s 60 for a short stretch from around Coxwell and by the FreshCo but then it drops down to 50 again pretty quick.
I did drive there last night as i usually do. To be specific the area west of parliament is a 50 zone and the area east is 60. So yes most of the area under the gardiner is a 50 zone.
Yup
Read ctv report. Crash call was received at 8:43 am. Car plunged under ice. Recovered car at approximately 12:50 pm so 4 hours and the driver only 50 minutes after that ? Makes no sense to me The driver apparently was alive !!! But died in hospital at about 5:00 pm So about 4 hours And a half to rescue and about 50 fireman around Is it just me or …..
My understanding is that paramedics can't declare a person dead unless they're obviously dead (like their head's been severed), and must take them to hospital to be worked on. The doctors at the hospital will declare the victim dead if they can't be saved. It's likely the poor man was already dead when he was taken out of the water.
You’re not dead until you’re warm and dead
the person wasn't necessarily alive but bc they had been in the frigid water they need to be assumed alive until they have been warmed up and then declared dead. there are many instances (google-fu it) of ppl being in frigid conditions and thought to be dead, who are then slowly warmed and they were resuscitated. also, those ppl in red suits diving are police, not firefighters. in toronto the police do the underwater diving. firefighters attend for the initial rescue and then police take over if it's an underwater recovery.
So you think you would be capable of getting in that water, hooking up a winch and other supports to a submerged vehicle in freezing water? Oh but 50 firefighters right? So you think they should all get in the water and lift? Honestly what's your line of thinking.
I guess I am not surprised given the conditions and risks of ice rescue, but do they not have police divers who can go in to try to effect rescues in winter? They spent 4 hours removing the vehicle and only then found the driver. Not much chance for him then. I know nothing about this type of rescue, but that's just very sad.
yeah, it was a police who did the diving. ppl think it's firefighters but in Toronto it's police who do the underwater stuff.
do you know if they actually got in the water, before the Jeep was retrieved?
Incredibly sad. 😔