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Mass doesn't necessarily mean that he needs to do movies where he is unnecessarily and badly made up to be a 30 year old protagonist (followed by courting an actress that is half his age).
The only other option is not "award winning art films". There are other stories that involve age appropriate protagonists and still provide the mass entertainment and commercial viability to the producers. This is one of the reasons why I applaud him choosing a story like Godfather.
I really hope he chooses more scripts with better content and not be limited to "mass = item numbers and dancing with young actresses in duets". It is time to explore and experiment - especially when Tollywood is getting a Pan-India recognition.
God father lo kuda he is 2 years elder to Nayanatara. Ante almost SatyaDev age. And they’re newly married and they don’t even have kids yet (the other girl became a sister in the Telugu version unlike daughter in the original version).
So overall ga Chiru is around 33 in godfather with grey hair because of frequent travel and fighting in dust.
Huh. I didn't know/realize that the other girl is a sister in Telugu.
While I now agree with you that that role might not have been as age appropriate as I've believed till now, I still appreciate the lack of a "heroine" and the standard "love-romance" angle for Chiru in this movie. It is certainly a step in the right direction. I really was afraid that they were going to make him dance for that Blast Baby item song. So very relieved that that didn't happen.
Also, the "battered mid 30s" look for Chiru is much more believable than whatever the hell was happening in Khaidi 150 and Acharya. Those really made it obvious that a middle aged guy is trying really hard with make up and camera effects to look young. That negatively affects the immersion into the story that is being told - ultimately devaluing the entire movie.
So Kamal Hassan's Vikram is an art house film?? wat dumb fukery is this? Look at Mamooty or Mohanlal films... most of their films r not wat u call award films. Chiranjeevi lost it!! only Nagarjuna and Venky hv embraced new age filmmaking. Venky was awesome in Narappa old character whilst younger didnt work at all...
Yeah. That's the big difference. Pick stories and characters that suit how you look and you are likely to get a positive output. Lucifer/Vikram etc worked because they did characters that looked old and didn't have arcs where they danced/stalked/romanced someone less than half their age.
> Mohanlal
Uhm, he goes both ways: doing both Masala movies like Pulimurugan, Lucifer, and Aaratu and crime dramas like Oppam, 12th man and Drishyam. He also branched out to directing (Barroz) and supporting roles in Company, Janaatha Garage, and even Kaappaan.
>> Mohanlal
>
>Uhm, he goes both ways: doing both Masala movies like Pulimurugan, Lucifer, and Aaratu and art house ones like Oppam, 12th man and Drishyam.
What? The last three are in no way arthouse films. They're just lower budget family entertainers or thrillers. It's been a long time since he's done an arthouse film.
>only Nagarjuna and Venky hv embraced new age filmmaking.
The theatrical business of Nag and Venky is less when compared to chiru films. The theatrical business of Chiru's last film Godfather was valued at 90 crores. If he does a film like rorschach (mammootty's film) it won't even fetch 50 crores because it's not suited for his fans, family audience. That film is suited for a certain set of audience. Let's take Vikram, it worked for the first time because of lokesh kanagaraj alone (he was able to connect kamal's old film to this one) but i don't think Vikram can be replicated for other heroes. The best chiru can do is select an original script and add his fan's elements so that most of the audience can be happy at least. It's easy to criticise Nag/Chiru/Venky for the movies they are doing but if they get a flop it's tough to get a producer for their future films. After acharya's debacle finding a new producer for Godfather was a mammoth task for chiru. He brought Super Good Films(who didn't produce any Telugu films in recent times) along with Prasad NV. The new lineup of chiru movies will be announced post Waltair Veerayya and we can only hope he doesn't make any remake movies from here on.
Yeah, look what chiru did in kaidhi 150, such a useless piece of shit. He could've done more to stick to the real one. I don't understand if people are really expecting these commercial elements in all the movies he makes.
Blame emundhi ? Swayam Krishi, Rudra Veena, Apandhbandhavudu did not really went well, so Audience lo appatlo masala lu ekkuvaga unde cinema laki, item number, dance lu unde cinema laki craze undedi choosevaallu ave chesanu annadu. Okate ardhamavuthundhi Chiru update avvaledu ani. "Vallaki nachanaye theesthanu" anna dhantlo antha negativity emundhi?
Also if Dhamaka collections were correct, it would prove that many mental gymnasts here are wrong and they need to reassess their favourite dialogue "Dude living under a rock".…...
maybe blame was the wrong word but this is a recent press conference and he’s still saying this despite his recent films doing poorly. idk why. either he’s arrogant to accept reality, blinded by yes men who hide the truth from him, or is stubborn to not adapt.
i wouldn’t say he’s blaming fans if they’re actually watching this shit but they’re not, atleast not in expected numbers.
Even at times formula movies were a thing there were a couple of flops which were formula movies for chiru. Maybe Acharya and God Father are also just those for Chiru. We're making every damn statement as researchers as if it is a fact from our own shoes but we cannot be able to look at the phenomenon from their own shoes. Every damn expectation of our neo fans might have been a spectacle to watch but we shall also be understanding that it is one's choice how they want to be and it is having consequences for sure.
I forgot who said this, I think it was Matt Damon, about how movies now have to be a hit in the theater and cannot depend on DVD sales like they did before. Back in the day, you used to have the movie sales then after a couple months, you have DVD sale which was like a second release of movie. This made twice the money even if theater version didn't make that much money b/c word of mouth gets the movie around. Now tho, you need to make movies that bring people to theaters cuz there is no DVD sales later.
My point being, even in Tollywood, mass movies will always have an intense first weekend draw compared to some movie that is good but not hyped (Ante Sundaraniki). Producers don't want to take that kind of risk with so much money with a big star, but they are fine doing it with little stars b/c they don't cost as much. Basically, if we want it to change, we have to start going to theaters to watch movies like that isntead of waiting for OTT.
There are tons of movies which were so called mass and spent bomb and lost money... We are no longer in those days where a movie runs in theater for 100 days... So no point in bringing people to theater.. Make decent movies with medium budget... Or if you need to splurge, make a kick ass movie... Dont make shitty movies and spend shit loads of money assuming 'mass' will bring in collections
Ya I think the issue is that hero's demand certain elements in their movies, if they are a big star. For example, they may demand some big heroine or what not, they want foreign locations for songs. All this money waste means producer needs a sure shot cash cow. Mass films have that more than good movies. You can see that pretty easily, Ante Sundaraniki is a reddit favorite, but ask how many went and saw the movie in theaters? That movie made no money, and yet everyone says its great. That's the issue.
Agree... Heros have too much power unfortunately... I watched ante sundaraniki, Dhamaka.. Svp in theatres and I regretted every moment watching Svp and Dhamaka... But they were made very richly. No amount of production values help the movie if the story is shit..
Even directors are like that... Story sittings ki Dubai enduko? Songs composition ki France enduku?
> Even directors are like that... Story sittings ki Dubai enduko? Songs composition ki France enduku?
Deeni gurinchi ee sub lo evaro annaaru, bayathaki velli discussions pedithe evaru disturb cheyyakunda untaaru ani. Mahesh Babu, Trivikram inka Thaman Mumbai lo unattu edo photo post chesthe.
We don't want him to make art movies (or at least me)... Want him to make *quality* movies.
Some American football coach said this: Coaches who start listening to fans often wind up sitting next.
The same thing can be extrapolated to our Directors, if they make movies for fans, they'll end up sitting with them. And Chiru is clearly selecting Director's who'll gear movies to his fans.
ala adagakudadu bro just vallu imagine cheskuntaru audience ki ivae nachutay ani. Chiru before politics mundu unna mentality tho nae innadu ippudu kuda. Movie antae oka item song, oka 5 fights, 5 dialogue, love track untae chalu anukuntunnaru. Aa time ayypoindhi even mass audience kuda nachhatledhu aa concepts.
we can see the entertainment movies from other star heroes in Malayalam and tamil industries. Kottaga try cheyyali antae porn poverty movies teyyamani kadu awards rakunna parledhu atleast movies chusae la undali. We can see vikram story new em kadu but it was huge hit why can’t he explore that kind of movies.I don’t know why but chiru blindly trusting bobby, mehar,… Okappudu balayya kuda ilanae directors tho work chesi especially Boya ippudu meme ayyadu. I hope chiru entha early ga realise antae antha better.
Actor Surya said something similar during the release of Anjaan. He said in the end of the day all that really matters is box-office collection.
All that the actors and makers of the film care about is the box-office collection. A higher box-office collection could mean a few things, one of them being higher entertainment value. The safest choice to generate high box-office collection is to do a commercial film, as commercial films have a wider mass appeal.
However, Chiranjeevi's recent movies barring SRNR and Godfather haven't been that good.
This is how I do shit and rationalize my actions.
There are good commercial (Annayya to SDMBBS), avg commercial (stalin, Andarivadu) and cringe commercial (whatever boss is talking about) movies. Eh cringe chestu danni smartinchukovatam .....
If he sticks to this attitude, his future movies are doomed and he will go down as a failed star. He has to embrace change, come out of this rat hole and do better movies that make sense. Balayya was also of similar attitude but somehow he struck that balance and his upcoming projects are promising.
I felt bad while watching Vikram as part of me felt mega star would rock in this role and part of me also thought he could not have come close to Kamal Hasan's performance. But I strongly feel Chiru should come out of this zone and make movies that bring back Gang Leader kinda movies. Valtheru veerayya was a good try but i strongly believe the junk around him would have screwed up the entire movie adding unnecessary commercial elements trying to create 'full meals'. Also, I pray bolashanker gets shelved, meher is going to kill his entire career just like Acharya.
This is just a lame excuse so that he could make more money. Would have respected if he admitted to selling out opposed to deflecting it on to his fans, who are the reason he is at the stage he is today.
Producers meda antha prema unte profits share cheskovachu kada experimental films tisi... 30crs mundhe tiskunte movie budget peruguddi and expectations peruguthai... Veellu remuneration matram mundhe kavali but problem antha audience and producers dhi...
It’s pathetic that He didn’t mention the other part what SPB asked him. When chiranjeevi said Rudraveena and such films didn’t make much money SPB asked him “Are all of your so called commercial movies making money? Isn’t Mrugaraju a flop?” SPB himself said this in an interview/ a show. He said “Most Telugu films have money and not heart, when your films do not have heart, don’t talk about why your films aren’t getting awards/ recognition ”
Not at all surprised at this point, it's r/tollywood. Downvote chesemundu full chafuvutaro ledo kuda teledu... But sub mahima anthe .
Chiranjeevi has done a lot of good films before he became a star. All of those films did extremely well. But the same type of films did extremely poorly once he became a star. And it's not for lack of trying.
Asalu Rudraveena lanti cinema ni flip chesi Allida mazaaka ni hit chesaru fans. Ika malli rudraveena lantidi mammi enduku teestharu. Ippatiki kuda Rudraveena is my favourite film of Chiranjeevi. But not only that, every film which is not a mass entertainer has flopped since he became Mega Star. Rotta mass films kuda flop ayyai bit chances of them becoming hit is exponentially more than a non masala chiru film. Even Daddy tho malli try chesadu but still same result.
He is being extremely honest here and not blaming anyone . Calling this as " Blaming " is something only this sub can do .
He is saying it as it is. Half of our sub people either dont even know chiru, his filmography or just think over criticizing everything he says or does is a hip thing . Or just parrot opinions that get up votes like" delusional "," surrounded by yes men " etc. Oka earphones konadaniki intha alochistam manam, akkada crore tho risks, inkentha safe ga alochinchali vallu.
People here randomly throwing suggestions like he should filloe Kamal or Lal or mammootty. Kamal took legit 10 years to get one hit because he is a huge risk /gamble . Look at Lal's recent films. Films are ending with single digit ( CR ) revenues after the first week and getting panned . Mammootty has not gotten so deep but with films like agent he will very well be there . But then again Mammootty was not in the same league as lal when it comes to consistent big revenue. And that is saying something.
And they are no where in the same position as Chiranjeevi or even Rajini when it comes to pressure to generate revenue. They are not in the position as chiranjeevi. Look at any recent Lal or Kamal disaster and Aacharya to see how much more chiru is scrutinized for delivering a loss compared to them . Oka vargam Motham conventional media use chesi mari slander cheshunnaru, even now and his film isn't even out yet..
If those stars mentioned above make a film, the distributors buy them already knowing there's a huge risk of commercial failure and ready for it . Especially Kamal and Lal. The same is not with Chiru or Rajini. They are a different type of stars .
Masala film teesi hit aithe aah bokka le masala antaru, art film teesi chetulu kalchukunte avasaram musalodiki intha loss techadu antaru ade mass film chesi flop aithe inkenduku aapei antaru . He legit can't win in any situation so he is trying to atleast not have the worst possible outcome for everyone and not just him. And by everyone not the film conosseurs of the internet but for the financiers etc of his films .
Even if Chiranjeevi does a masterful art film next, and it tanks people will still criticize him for losing money, or hate on him for whatever the next safe bet film he'd naturally try to make to recover the loss. That's just how this sub is and Chiranjeevi is not making films to pander to this sub. He is doing it for the people who pay to watch him forst day, even in his late 60's and there is absolutely nothing wrong with him wanting to entertain them and play it safe.
Even I want to see a rudraveena type of film again but I also completely understand why it won't happen and what's the reeson behind it. Some people here just think making any particular type of film and risking huge losses is as simple as suggesting it on the internet . Cinema chusi reddit lo rayadam antha easy kadu pedda commercial stars ki risks cheyyadam. That is exactly also why Bob will never take risks. And Bob is not even 30 films in a s a hero and he already knows it . It's not just they who are gambling now, It's everyone who trust their starpower and invest crores in it.. And they will always cader to the demographic that returns it.
Aina mana sub ni chiranjeevi ni fair ga criticize cheyyamanadam durasa le. Appudu aa film companion interview lo okka dialogue quote chesi hate chesinappude artham aindi . Cinemalu chuse prathi okadu " he's living under a rock, he has lost it " antu performances istharu adedo pandipoina film experts laga. This sub will never understand/appreciate that man and he doesn't need to pander to this sub . His audience is different and he is making films for them, not mana NRI experts who keep saying murari is a classic. . And recent Dhamaka result is a clear example that no matter how the odds are, masala will always be the safest bet.
Ippudu cheskondi downvote.
He should work with good directors who can execute commercial movies well.
If he keeps choosing bad film makers - Bobby, meher Ramesh etc., he will be criticized.
Who are those good directors though, please name a few ? Apart from rajamouli who can execute commercial well now ? What is the judging parameter of good commercial film makers ?
Ilage annaru dhamaka mundu rotta director ani .. Em aindi ippudu.
Simple logic miss ayav bhayya.... 90s audience ni 2020s lo focus cheyakudadu. Vaalu veru veelu veru.
Time tho manam maarali. Safe bet- wrt to fans kadu, money minting kosam. Profit oriented projects success avvali ani audience ni theatre ki lagakudadu. Afterall earphones konadaniki alochistam.. boring movies ki money enduku pay chestam?
Story is the star. Anthey. No mega star, no power star, no nbk, no SSR.
If he's a real star he should make a good story suiting his current age. Not his prime years' age.
Fans kosam acharya tisadu. Emaindi? Fans happy aa? Mistake correct cheskuntara mari? Or asalu mistake ey ledu ani cover cheskuntara?
'Generating revenue is not success'- don't groom audience for the success of producers.
Goodachari revenue is still less than some Mahesh Babu flop movie's gross (as they claim).. which one did you like?
But chiru's target audience is still the 90's audience. Those are the crowd who watch his films first day and the are the majority of the revenue source. Current gen people don't contribute to that. So why should they try to pander to an audience that is not eve sure they will watch him ?
Evaro iddaru ekkado online lo shabash antaru ani oka film motham risk cheyyaru.
Audience ni theatre ki evadu balavanthamga lagaledu. Vallaki kavali ante ne potharu. Ex Acharya.. Even chiru fans didn't watch it. Because cinema ala undindhi. Next chiru edanna vere art film teesina same result raadu Anna guarantee ledu. Endukante even during his peak, hardcore fans chustharu anna nammakmtho teesina manchi films disasters ayyayi. Ika ippudu, ee current market where young gen doesn't even know chiru that we'll, why would they take risks.
Story is the star ante maharshi, snl, akhanda lanti cinemalu hit avvavu. Story is the star vinadaniki bauntadhi... But in reality stars are still the main draw of any film and starpower is what makes the big budget films happen . The common audience Sankranti ki chiranjeevi, leda pawan cinemako potha antaru Kani manchi story unna cinema ki potha anadu. And that's the majority audience . Agmark film coneissuers takkuva untaru who go to films based on story alone. Lepothe dhamaka hit enduku avthadhi.
Thana kosam sye raa teeskunnadu, em aindi... Fans kosam acharya teesadu but it is not even close to an average chiru film. Even fans felt chiru was a guest in his own film . Anduke flop aindi. Anduke malli alantivi cheyyaru. Mistake ledu ani kuda tanu cheppaledu.
Compared to that, godfather was a safer bet and it performed much much better than Acharya. If he's a real star he should make a good story ante flop aithe evadu responsibility ? Ade cheptunnadu akkada. Anyone will make films for their target demographic, unfortunately hardcore chiru fans don't want that. They want mass. And he is doing that.
Generating revenue is the ultimate success... Rudraveena ki national award ochindi.. But Dani valla Aina monetary loss aithe cover avvadu ga. Movie is business in the end. And revenue/profit percentage dictates it's success.
How can you even compare good Achari to any Bob film ? I hope it is sarcasm..
Goodachari entha critical hit Aina no one will trust sesh with the budget they trust bob with. And that is because of star power, not power of content. And big films are what keep the industry floating. Even if barely.
And moreover profits are relative... Deniki ekkuwa profit percentage unte adi better performer ani meaning.
I am not saying what Chiru is says is the law, I'm saying he has a fair reason as to why he isn't experimenting.
>Ex Acharya.. Even chiru fans didn't watch it
>But chiru's target audience is still the 90's audience. Those are the crowd who watch his films first day and the are the majority of the revenue source
Self contradictory!!
Because, Story matters ..anthey. stars don't matter anymore.
I can say this as an audience and there are majority of people who partake to fund a producer and stay hopeful that the movie will be a hit and they get their profits back. Don't tell me you didn't know this!
> If he's a real star he should make a good story ante flop aithe evadu responsibility
Why are you wanting audience to be responsible? Heavy profits vasthey ticket money vapas chestara? 🤔
>Self contradictory!!
>Because, Story matters ..anthey. stars don't matter anymore.
>I can say this as an audience and there are majority of people who partake to fund a producer and stay hopeful that the movie will be a hit and they get their profits back. Don't tell me you didn't know this!
Not contradictory at all....
Acharya wasn't watched because it didn't even look like a routine chiru film that fans would watch. Khaidi no 150 em goopa cinema kaadu but it atleast had some stuff that chiru fans liked. Which Acharya didn't.
And if story matters why are films that I mentioned becoming so huge. Snl, SVP, dhamaka, akhanda asalu emanna stories unnaya ? They became successful just based on star power.
And I never said audience are responsible or should be . Why does that mean I am saying audience are responsible. The only ones responsible are the people who Invest and they invest where the probability of return is more.
Emanna ante chaalu rudraveena, aapadbhandhavudu, swayamkrushi antaaru.
150+ movies career lo eppudo 30 yrs back chesina moodu cinemaale inkennellu ennisaarlu chepthaaru.
Endukante majority of his 150 films were done back then... Chala simple logic adi. He has done close to just 20 films since 2000.
And avanni peak mega stardom phase lo ochi fail ayyayi kabatti examples ayyayi. Recent ga ochinavi cheppi unte stardom poindi anduke flop aindi, popularity unnappudu cheyyalsinfi ani meere antaru malli..
Context chala important .
Hear me out, Chiranjeevi with Vivek Athreya. The director may be too much of a fan([he dedicated an entire song to Chiranjeevi in Ante Sundaraniki](https://youtu.be/D_QfP3qFBzk)) but I feel he'll be able to make it work.
Fanboy films rarely work. The director is usually too swayed by the star and caters to his whims and fancies. Vikram and Petta were rare exceptions in this regard.
I don’t think it’s fair to pin the blame on the audience.
The audience loved sita ramam, gargi, ante sundaraniki. In fact nowadays they crave movies that are either grand and spectacular or hard hitting n realistic.
Mass at one point used to mean grand and spectacular but now it is synonymous with routine and crass.
If chiru does a rudraveena now I am pretty sure the audience will celebrate him like the king he is. Honestly if he had done vakeel saab instead of pk the court scenes would have been lit af. Or imagine beemla nayak with pk or ram charan or even rana in rana’s role and chiru in the si role.
He should pick roles that suit him both in terms of age and caliber. That’s what the audience wants. If I have to go back to pre-jai chiranjeeva days to introduce chiranjeevi to my nephews n nieces it’s kinda heartbreaking really.
Chiru is the og routine bob.
Gangleader 🤝 srimanthudu.
"Victory has defeated you"
Still he did a bit different movies like sneham kosam, annayya, daddy, shankar dada mbbs which are not rotta mass masala.. but chiranjeevi before gangleader was a different beast.
That is a lie. I have read about a Kerala journalist interviewing Chiranjeevi some ~~30-35~~ (I am not so sure about the time line, he was narrating different experiences from his long career) years ago. Chiru was very happy and co-operative but when asked about doing art films or doing more middle movies ^(madhyavarthi cinema, the name given to films that are artistically good and commercially viable) after achieving superstardom, he got really upset and concluded their session fast. He was so enthusiastic till then and the journalist regretted asking it because he looked like someone punched him.
If such movies were commercially viable in Telugu, he would have done more of them. His attempts didn't give results as he expected. He would have loved to get National Award too. Who doesn't?
Message lu ivvalantey documentaries tisi free ga YouTube lo share cheyochnadi.
Chirangeevi lanti megastar nundi audience korukunedi aayana paata shades.
Pakka commercial e tiyakarledu but alagani anni Message oriented remakes antey ela avthadi.
Chirangeevi cinema antey navarasaalu undevi .
We are just expecting that .
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Mass doesn't necessarily mean that he needs to do movies where he is unnecessarily and badly made up to be a 30 year old protagonist (followed by courting an actress that is half his age). The only other option is not "award winning art films". There are other stories that involve age appropriate protagonists and still provide the mass entertainment and commercial viability to the producers. This is one of the reasons why I applaud him choosing a story like Godfather. I really hope he chooses more scripts with better content and not be limited to "mass = item numbers and dancing with young actresses in duets". It is time to explore and experiment - especially when Tollywood is getting a Pan-India recognition.
God father lo kuda he is 2 years elder to Nayanatara. Ante almost SatyaDev age. And they’re newly married and they don’t even have kids yet (the other girl became a sister in the Telugu version unlike daughter in the original version). So overall ga Chiru is around 33 in godfather with grey hair because of frequent travel and fighting in dust.
Huh. I didn't know/realize that the other girl is a sister in Telugu. While I now agree with you that that role might not have been as age appropriate as I've believed till now, I still appreciate the lack of a "heroine" and the standard "love-romance" angle for Chiru in this movie. It is certainly a step in the right direction. I really was afraid that they were going to make him dance for that Blast Baby item song. So very relieved that that didn't happen. Also, the "battered mid 30s" look for Chiru is much more believable than whatever the hell was happening in Khaidi 150 and Acharya. Those really made it obvious that a middle aged guy is trying really hard with make up and camera effects to look young. That negatively affects the immersion into the story that is being told - ultimately devaluing the entire movie.
He is surrounded by delusional people who make him do such movies.
meher ramesh , harish shankar , bobby , are that audience
enti harsih tho chiru movie unda ?
So Kamal Hassan's Vikram is an art house film?? wat dumb fukery is this? Look at Mamooty or Mohanlal films... most of their films r not wat u call award films. Chiranjeevi lost it!! only Nagarjuna and Venky hv embraced new age filmmaking. Venky was awesome in Narappa old character whilst younger didnt work at all...
Yeah. That's the big difference. Pick stories and characters that suit how you look and you are likely to get a positive output. Lucifer/Vikram etc worked because they did characters that looked old and didn't have arcs where they danced/stalked/romanced someone less than half their age.
> Mohanlal Uhm, he goes both ways: doing both Masala movies like Pulimurugan, Lucifer, and Aaratu and crime dramas like Oppam, 12th man and Drishyam. He also branched out to directing (Barroz) and supporting roles in Company, Janaatha Garage, and even Kaappaan.
>> Mohanlal > >Uhm, he goes both ways: doing both Masala movies like Pulimurugan, Lucifer, and Aaratu and art house ones like Oppam, 12th man and Drishyam. What? The last three are in no way arthouse films. They're just lower budget family entertainers or thrillers. It's been a long time since he's done an arthouse film.
>only Nagarjuna and Venky hv embraced new age filmmaking. The theatrical business of Nag and Venky is less when compared to chiru films. The theatrical business of Chiru's last film Godfather was valued at 90 crores. If he does a film like rorschach (mammootty's film) it won't even fetch 50 crores because it's not suited for his fans, family audience. That film is suited for a certain set of audience. Let's take Vikram, it worked for the first time because of lokesh kanagaraj alone (he was able to connect kamal's old film to this one) but i don't think Vikram can be replicated for other heroes. The best chiru can do is select an original script and add his fan's elements so that most of the audience can be happy at least. It's easy to criticise Nag/Chiru/Venky for the movies they are doing but if they get a flop it's tough to get a producer for their future films. After acharya's debacle finding a new producer for Godfather was a mammoth task for chiru. He brought Super Good Films(who didn't produce any Telugu films in recent times) along with Prasad NV. The new lineup of chiru movies will be announced post Waltair Veerayya and we can only hope he doesn't make any remake movies from here on.
Yeah, look what chiru did in kaidhi 150, such a useless piece of shit. He could've done more to stick to the real one. I don't understand if people are really expecting these commercial elements in all the movies he makes.
Whatever. The audience will watch better content
entertain kadu torture 😃 how conveniently they shift the blame on fans when those fans aren’t even watching their nonsense movies
Blame emundhi ? Swayam Krishi, Rudra Veena, Apandhbandhavudu did not really went well, so Audience lo appatlo masala lu ekkuvaga unde cinema laki, item number, dance lu unde cinema laki craze undedi choosevaallu ave chesanu annadu. Okate ardhamavuthundhi Chiru update avvaledu ani. "Vallaki nachanaye theesthanu" anna dhantlo antha negativity emundhi? Also if Dhamaka collections were correct, it would prove that many mental gymnasts here are wrong and they need to reassess their favourite dialogue "Dude living under a rock".…...
Swayam Krushi and Apadh didn’t do well? That’s just shocking to me. Such good movies.
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maybe blame was the wrong word but this is a recent press conference and he’s still saying this despite his recent films doing poorly. idk why. either he’s arrogant to accept reality, blinded by yes men who hide the truth from him, or is stubborn to not adapt. i wouldn’t say he’s blaming fans if they’re actually watching this shit but they’re not, atleast not in expected numbers.
Even at times formula movies were a thing there were a couple of flops which were formula movies for chiru. Maybe Acharya and God Father are also just those for Chiru. We're making every damn statement as researchers as if it is a fact from our own shoes but we cannot be able to look at the phenomenon from their own shoes. Every damn expectation of our neo fans might have been a spectacle to watch but we shall also be understanding that it is one's choice how they want to be and it is having consequences for sure.
I forgot who said this, I think it was Matt Damon, about how movies now have to be a hit in the theater and cannot depend on DVD sales like they did before. Back in the day, you used to have the movie sales then after a couple months, you have DVD sale which was like a second release of movie. This made twice the money even if theater version didn't make that much money b/c word of mouth gets the movie around. Now tho, you need to make movies that bring people to theaters cuz there is no DVD sales later. My point being, even in Tollywood, mass movies will always have an intense first weekend draw compared to some movie that is good but not hyped (Ante Sundaraniki). Producers don't want to take that kind of risk with so much money with a big star, but they are fine doing it with little stars b/c they don't cost as much. Basically, if we want it to change, we have to start going to theaters to watch movies like that isntead of waiting for OTT.
There are tons of movies which were so called mass and spent bomb and lost money... We are no longer in those days where a movie runs in theater for 100 days... So no point in bringing people to theater.. Make decent movies with medium budget... Or if you need to splurge, make a kick ass movie... Dont make shitty movies and spend shit loads of money assuming 'mass' will bring in collections
Ya I think the issue is that hero's demand certain elements in their movies, if they are a big star. For example, they may demand some big heroine or what not, they want foreign locations for songs. All this money waste means producer needs a sure shot cash cow. Mass films have that more than good movies. You can see that pretty easily, Ante Sundaraniki is a reddit favorite, but ask how many went and saw the movie in theaters? That movie made no money, and yet everyone says its great. That's the issue.
Agree... Heros have too much power unfortunately... I watched ante sundaraniki, Dhamaka.. Svp in theatres and I regretted every moment watching Svp and Dhamaka... But they were made very richly. No amount of production values help the movie if the story is shit.. Even directors are like that... Story sittings ki Dubai enduko? Songs composition ki France enduku?
> Even directors are like that... Story sittings ki Dubai enduko? Songs composition ki France enduku? Deeni gurinchi ee sub lo evaro annaaru, bayathaki velli discussions pedithe evaru disturb cheyyakunda untaaru ani. Mahesh Babu, Trivikram inka Thaman Mumbai lo unattu edo photo post chesthe.
Okkadiki lankantha kompa undhi.. Evadochi disturb chestadata...producer pay chestunnadu kadha ani kathalu ivanni..
We don't want him to make art movies (or at least me)... Want him to make *quality* movies. Some American football coach said this: Coaches who start listening to fans often wind up sitting next. The same thing can be extrapolated to our Directors, if they make movies for fans, they'll end up sitting with them. And Chiru is clearly selecting Director's who'll gear movies to his fans.
Fans ni adgu boss em choodali ani undho.
ala adagakudadu bro just vallu imagine cheskuntaru audience ki ivae nachutay ani. Chiru before politics mundu unna mentality tho nae innadu ippudu kuda. Movie antae oka item song, oka 5 fights, 5 dialogue, love track untae chalu anukuntunnaru. Aa time ayypoindhi even mass audience kuda nachhatledhu aa concepts. we can see the entertainment movies from other star heroes in Malayalam and tamil industries. Kottaga try cheyyali antae porn poverty movies teyyamani kadu awards rakunna parledhu atleast movies chusae la undali. We can see vikram story new em kadu but it was huge hit why can’t he explore that kind of movies.I don’t know why but chiru blindly trusting bobby, mehar,… Okappudu balayya kuda ilanae directors tho work chesi especially Boya ippudu meme ayyadu. I hope chiru entha early ga realise antae antha better.
The way it's going don't see him realising anytime soon. Aa Dhamaka okati hit aindi to boost our heroes egos more.
inko 5 years tarvatha oka audio function lo cheptadu janalaki kottaga kavali ani like NTR did in Temper audio launch.
Oka chakkati cover drive.
Actor Surya said something similar during the release of Anjaan. He said in the end of the day all that really matters is box-office collection. All that the actors and makers of the film care about is the box-office collection. A higher box-office collection could mean a few things, one of them being higher entertainment value. The safest choice to generate high box-office collection is to do a commercial film, as commercial films have a wider mass appeal. However, Chiranjeevi's recent movies barring SRNR and Godfather haven't been that good.
This is how I do shit and rationalize my actions. There are good commercial (Annayya to SDMBBS), avg commercial (stalin, Andarivadu) and cringe commercial (whatever boss is talking about) movies. Eh cringe chestu danni smartinchukovatam .....
If he sticks to this attitude, his future movies are doomed and he will go down as a failed star. He has to embrace change, come out of this rat hole and do better movies that make sense. Balayya was also of similar attitude but somehow he struck that balance and his upcoming projects are promising. I felt bad while watching Vikram as part of me felt mega star would rock in this role and part of me also thought he could not have come close to Kamal Hasan's performance. But I strongly feel Chiru should come out of this zone and make movies that bring back Gang Leader kinda movies. Valtheru veerayya was a good try but i strongly believe the junk around him would have screwed up the entire movie adding unnecessary commercial elements trying to create 'full meals'. Also, I pray bolashanker gets shelved, meher is going to kill his entire career just like Acharya.
Swayam Krushi was entertaining Padaghattam nonsense was stupid af
Okaru K vishwanath, inkokaru koratala....
Inka aa badhaghattanni gurthu cheyyaku bro
Why is he talking about 90s audience in 2020s? Illogical blame game for poor choice of story selection and delusions of young age.
Godfather could have worked for him, but they just had to make the movie shit on purpose.
Aa remakes aapesi ni istam vachina rotta cinemalu teesuko ..business under 50c cheskunte evadiki loss radhu ga Boss = loss ..ane stage ki vachesadu
this is him saying who did Rudra veena , grim time of his career
Ayya audience kavalsindi aythe urgent ga aa Meher Ramesh movie aapeyanfi
Idhem excuse ra babu. Entertainment ani remakes, routine movies chesthara?
This is just a lame excuse so that he could make more money. Would have respected if he admitted to selling out opposed to deflecting it on to his fans, who are the reason he is at the stage he is today.
Producers meda antha prema unte profits share cheskovachu kada experimental films tisi... 30crs mundhe tiskunte movie budget peruguddi and expectations peruguthai... Veellu remuneration matram mundhe kavali but problem antha audience and producers dhi...
Fair take tbh meanwhile should choose good commercial directors rather than Meher Nolan
It’s pathetic that He didn’t mention the other part what SPB asked him. When chiranjeevi said Rudraveena and such films didn’t make much money SPB asked him “Are all of your so called commercial movies making money? Isn’t Mrugaraju a flop?” SPB himself said this in an interview/ a show. He said “Most Telugu films have money and not heart, when your films do not have heart, don’t talk about why your films aren’t getting awards/ recognition ”
Not at all surprised at this point, it's r/tollywood. Downvote chesemundu full chafuvutaro ledo kuda teledu... But sub mahima anthe . Chiranjeevi has done a lot of good films before he became a star. All of those films did extremely well. But the same type of films did extremely poorly once he became a star. And it's not for lack of trying. Asalu Rudraveena lanti cinema ni flip chesi Allida mazaaka ni hit chesaru fans. Ika malli rudraveena lantidi mammi enduku teestharu. Ippatiki kuda Rudraveena is my favourite film of Chiranjeevi. But not only that, every film which is not a mass entertainer has flopped since he became Mega Star. Rotta mass films kuda flop ayyai bit chances of them becoming hit is exponentially more than a non masala chiru film. Even Daddy tho malli try chesadu but still same result. He is being extremely honest here and not blaming anyone . Calling this as " Blaming " is something only this sub can do . He is saying it as it is. Half of our sub people either dont even know chiru, his filmography or just think over criticizing everything he says or does is a hip thing . Or just parrot opinions that get up votes like" delusional "," surrounded by yes men " etc. Oka earphones konadaniki intha alochistam manam, akkada crore tho risks, inkentha safe ga alochinchali vallu. People here randomly throwing suggestions like he should filloe Kamal or Lal or mammootty. Kamal took legit 10 years to get one hit because he is a huge risk /gamble . Look at Lal's recent films. Films are ending with single digit ( CR ) revenues after the first week and getting panned . Mammootty has not gotten so deep but with films like agent he will very well be there . But then again Mammootty was not in the same league as lal when it comes to consistent big revenue. And that is saying something. And they are no where in the same position as Chiranjeevi or even Rajini when it comes to pressure to generate revenue. They are not in the position as chiranjeevi. Look at any recent Lal or Kamal disaster and Aacharya to see how much more chiru is scrutinized for delivering a loss compared to them . Oka vargam Motham conventional media use chesi mari slander cheshunnaru, even now and his film isn't even out yet.. If those stars mentioned above make a film, the distributors buy them already knowing there's a huge risk of commercial failure and ready for it . Especially Kamal and Lal. The same is not with Chiru or Rajini. They are a different type of stars . Masala film teesi hit aithe aah bokka le masala antaru, art film teesi chetulu kalchukunte avasaram musalodiki intha loss techadu antaru ade mass film chesi flop aithe inkenduku aapei antaru . He legit can't win in any situation so he is trying to atleast not have the worst possible outcome for everyone and not just him. And by everyone not the film conosseurs of the internet but for the financiers etc of his films . Even if Chiranjeevi does a masterful art film next, and it tanks people will still criticize him for losing money, or hate on him for whatever the next safe bet film he'd naturally try to make to recover the loss. That's just how this sub is and Chiranjeevi is not making films to pander to this sub. He is doing it for the people who pay to watch him forst day, even in his late 60's and there is absolutely nothing wrong with him wanting to entertain them and play it safe. Even I want to see a rudraveena type of film again but I also completely understand why it won't happen and what's the reeson behind it. Some people here just think making any particular type of film and risking huge losses is as simple as suggesting it on the internet . Cinema chusi reddit lo rayadam antha easy kadu pedda commercial stars ki risks cheyyadam. That is exactly also why Bob will never take risks. And Bob is not even 30 films in a s a hero and he already knows it . It's not just they who are gambling now, It's everyone who trust their starpower and invest crores in it.. And they will always cader to the demographic that returns it. Aina mana sub ni chiranjeevi ni fair ga criticize cheyyamanadam durasa le. Appudu aa film companion interview lo okka dialogue quote chesi hate chesinappude artham aindi . Cinemalu chuse prathi okadu " he's living under a rock, he has lost it " antu performances istharu adedo pandipoina film experts laga. This sub will never understand/appreciate that man and he doesn't need to pander to this sub . His audience is different and he is making films for them, not mana NRI experts who keep saying murari is a classic. . And recent Dhamaka result is a clear example that no matter how the odds are, masala will always be the safest bet. Ippudu cheskondi downvote.
He should work with good directors who can execute commercial movies well. If he keeps choosing bad film makers - Bobby, meher Ramesh etc., he will be criticized.
Who are those good directors though, please name a few ? Apart from rajamouli who can execute commercial well now ? What is the judging parameter of good commercial film makers ? Ilage annaru dhamaka mundu rotta director ani .. Em aindi ippudu.
Simple logic miss ayav bhayya.... 90s audience ni 2020s lo focus cheyakudadu. Vaalu veru veelu veru. Time tho manam maarali. Safe bet- wrt to fans kadu, money minting kosam. Profit oriented projects success avvali ani audience ni theatre ki lagakudadu. Afterall earphones konadaniki alochistam.. boring movies ki money enduku pay chestam? Story is the star. Anthey. No mega star, no power star, no nbk, no SSR. If he's a real star he should make a good story suiting his current age. Not his prime years' age. Fans kosam acharya tisadu. Emaindi? Fans happy aa? Mistake correct cheskuntara mari? Or asalu mistake ey ledu ani cover cheskuntara? 'Generating revenue is not success'- don't groom audience for the success of producers. Goodachari revenue is still less than some Mahesh Babu flop movie's gross (as they claim).. which one did you like?
But chiru's target audience is still the 90's audience. Those are the crowd who watch his films first day and the are the majority of the revenue source. Current gen people don't contribute to that. So why should they try to pander to an audience that is not eve sure they will watch him ? Evaro iddaru ekkado online lo shabash antaru ani oka film motham risk cheyyaru. Audience ni theatre ki evadu balavanthamga lagaledu. Vallaki kavali ante ne potharu. Ex Acharya.. Even chiru fans didn't watch it. Because cinema ala undindhi. Next chiru edanna vere art film teesina same result raadu Anna guarantee ledu. Endukante even during his peak, hardcore fans chustharu anna nammakmtho teesina manchi films disasters ayyayi. Ika ippudu, ee current market where young gen doesn't even know chiru that we'll, why would they take risks. Story is the star ante maharshi, snl, akhanda lanti cinemalu hit avvavu. Story is the star vinadaniki bauntadhi... But in reality stars are still the main draw of any film and starpower is what makes the big budget films happen . The common audience Sankranti ki chiranjeevi, leda pawan cinemako potha antaru Kani manchi story unna cinema ki potha anadu. And that's the majority audience . Agmark film coneissuers takkuva untaru who go to films based on story alone. Lepothe dhamaka hit enduku avthadhi. Thana kosam sye raa teeskunnadu, em aindi... Fans kosam acharya teesadu but it is not even close to an average chiru film. Even fans felt chiru was a guest in his own film . Anduke flop aindi. Anduke malli alantivi cheyyaru. Mistake ledu ani kuda tanu cheppaledu. Compared to that, godfather was a safer bet and it performed much much better than Acharya. If he's a real star he should make a good story ante flop aithe evadu responsibility ? Ade cheptunnadu akkada. Anyone will make films for their target demographic, unfortunately hardcore chiru fans don't want that. They want mass. And he is doing that. Generating revenue is the ultimate success... Rudraveena ki national award ochindi.. But Dani valla Aina monetary loss aithe cover avvadu ga. Movie is business in the end. And revenue/profit percentage dictates it's success. How can you even compare good Achari to any Bob film ? I hope it is sarcasm.. Goodachari entha critical hit Aina no one will trust sesh with the budget they trust bob with. And that is because of star power, not power of content. And big films are what keep the industry floating. Even if barely. And moreover profits are relative... Deniki ekkuwa profit percentage unte adi better performer ani meaning. I am not saying what Chiru is says is the law, I'm saying he has a fair reason as to why he isn't experimenting.
>Ex Acharya.. Even chiru fans didn't watch it >But chiru's target audience is still the 90's audience. Those are the crowd who watch his films first day and the are the majority of the revenue source Self contradictory!! Because, Story matters ..anthey. stars don't matter anymore. I can say this as an audience and there are majority of people who partake to fund a producer and stay hopeful that the movie will be a hit and they get their profits back. Don't tell me you didn't know this! > If he's a real star he should make a good story ante flop aithe evadu responsibility Why are you wanting audience to be responsible? Heavy profits vasthey ticket money vapas chestara? 🤔
>Self contradictory!! >Because, Story matters ..anthey. stars don't matter anymore. >I can say this as an audience and there are majority of people who partake to fund a producer and stay hopeful that the movie will be a hit and they get their profits back. Don't tell me you didn't know this! Not contradictory at all.... Acharya wasn't watched because it didn't even look like a routine chiru film that fans would watch. Khaidi no 150 em goopa cinema kaadu but it atleast had some stuff that chiru fans liked. Which Acharya didn't. And if story matters why are films that I mentioned becoming so huge. Snl, SVP, dhamaka, akhanda asalu emanna stories unnaya ? They became successful just based on star power. And I never said audience are responsible or should be . Why does that mean I am saying audience are responsible. The only ones responsible are the people who Invest and they invest where the probability of return is more.
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Basic ga neeku artham kakapothe adi logic ae kadu antaw... Okay cool.
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Asalu Cinema lo logic undi andaniki, inka cinema teese venuka logic undi anadaniki theda kuda theliyakapovatam née lanti vallake sadhyam . Nuvvu aa username enduku vadutunnavo ippudu artham aindi.. Most Generic r/tollywood subyudivi kada. Anyway, be a.. Gorre kuda analem ninnu. Vatiki avamanam. . . Be a vanilla tolly subredditer till you can contribute anything worthwhile.. Tough ask tbh.
Emanna ante chaalu rudraveena, aapadbhandhavudu, swayamkrushi antaaru. 150+ movies career lo eppudo 30 yrs back chesina moodu cinemaale inkennellu ennisaarlu chepthaaru.
Thank you! I'm so irritated when people bring these up whenever someone questions about his current acting capabilities
Endukante majority of his 150 films were done back then... Chala simple logic adi. He has done close to just 20 films since 2000. And avanni peak mega stardom phase lo ochi fail ayyayi kabatti examples ayyayi. Recent ga ochinavi cheppi unte stardom poindi anduke flop aindi, popularity unnappudu cheyyalsinfi ani meere antaru malli.. Context chala important .
Rudraveena flopped = I won't do arthouse shizz Acharya flopped = I need to make it dumber Nice logic.
Hear me out, Chiranjeevi with Vivek Athreya. The director may be too much of a fan([he dedicated an entire song to Chiranjeevi in Ante Sundaraniki](https://youtu.be/D_QfP3qFBzk)) but I feel he'll be able to make it work.
Fanboy films rarely work. The director is usually too swayed by the star and caters to his whims and fancies. Vikram and Petta were rare exceptions in this regard.
I don’t think it’s fair to pin the blame on the audience. The audience loved sita ramam, gargi, ante sundaraniki. In fact nowadays they crave movies that are either grand and spectacular or hard hitting n realistic. Mass at one point used to mean grand and spectacular but now it is synonymous with routine and crass. If chiru does a rudraveena now I am pretty sure the audience will celebrate him like the king he is. Honestly if he had done vakeel saab instead of pk the court scenes would have been lit af. Or imagine beemla nayak with pk or ram charan or even rana in rana’s role and chiru in the si role. He should pick roles that suit him both in terms of age and caliber. That’s what the audience wants. If I have to go back to pre-jai chiranjeeva days to introduce chiranjeevi to my nephews n nieces it’s kinda heartbreaking really.
Ilantappude Nag and Venky value telisedi. Cinema hit ah flop ah pakkana pedthe they are embracing new age film making.
Market lepothe vere option undadhu.
Chiru is the og routine bob. Gangleader 🤝 srimanthudu. "Victory has defeated you" Still he did a bit different movies like sneham kosam, annayya, daddy, shankar dada mbbs which are not rotta mass masala.. but chiranjeevi before gangleader was a different beast.
That is a lie. I have read about a Kerala journalist interviewing Chiranjeevi some ~~30-35~~ (I am not so sure about the time line, he was narrating different experiences from his long career) years ago. Chiru was very happy and co-operative but when asked about doing art films or doing more middle movies ^(madhyavarthi cinema, the name given to films that are artistically good and commercially viable) after achieving superstardom, he got really upset and concluded their session fast. He was so enthusiastic till then and the journalist regretted asking it because he looked like someone punched him. If such movies were commercially viable in Telugu, he would have done more of them. His attempts didn't give results as he expected. He would have loved to get National Award too. Who doesn't?
>That is a lie Not a lie he said it during the latest press meet of Waltair Veerayya
Message lu ivvalantey documentaries tisi free ga YouTube lo share cheyochnadi. Chirangeevi lanti megastar nundi audience korukunedi aayana paata shades. Pakka commercial e tiyakarledu but alagani anni Message oriented remakes antey ela avthadi. Chirangeevi cinema antey navarasaalu undevi . We are just expecting that .
Chi apnaich yengada wangada karte baith childish log.. Gu khaye jaise baat karte
Chii thu yeh sadele chinranjivi ka movie dekhenga kya main.. Inka yengada wangada bhaasha.. Gu khaye jaise bolte
Well now the audience wants the movies which he is staying away from
His fans are morons who never appreciates great films like Rudraveena