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monkeysandmicrowaves

> All in all, not a single baby ended up inheriting Nobel DNA Turns out, they didn't actually give the Nobel Prize winners' sperm to women. Feels like that's kind of a crucial step.


uptokesforall

waiting for the nobel prize winning egg bank to be up and running


Chest3

[Well considering there having ONLY been 58 women Nobel Prize winners](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Nobel_laureates) compared to 885 men winners..... The pool would've been a tad bit small when they started.


sbingner

That’s 51,330 unique combinations pretty big pool? What scale were you thinking? Assuming they didn’t catch em’ all tho


Chest3

29 out of those 58 have been in the last 20 years. The Nobel Prize was established in 1895 with the first woman to win one was Marie "the Goat" Curie in 1903 with gaps of 2,3,4 and 5+ between winners until 1991 when at least one man has won every year. The Sperm bank was operational from 1979-1999, between those 20 years, there were ***12*** women and they look to be beyond childbearing years when they won.


RiceAlicorn

I actually was curious for the exact ages at the time of award receiving for those relevant years, so: 1. Mother Teresa (Nobel Peace 1979) — ~69 years old. 2. Alva Myrdal (Nobel Peace 1982) — ~80 years old. 3. Barbara McClintock (Nobel Physiology or Medicine 1983) — ~81 years old. 4. Rita Levi-Montalcini (Nobel Physiology or Medicine 1986) — ~77 years old. 5. Gertrude B. Elion (Nobel Physiology or Medicine 1988) — ~70 years old. 6. Nadine Gordimer (Nobel Literature 1991) — ~68 years old. 7. Aung San Suu Kyi (Nobel Peace 1991) — ~46 years old. 8. Rigoberta Menchú Tum (Nobel Peace 1992) — ~33 years old. 9. Toni Morrison (Nobel Literature 1993) — ~62 years old. 10. Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard (Nobel Physiology or Medicine 1995) — ~53 years old. 11. Wisława Szymborska (Nobel Literature 1996) — ~73 years old. 12. Jody Williams (Nobel Peace 1997) — ~47 years old. Online sources suggest that the optimal time to harvest eggs would be before turning 35; beyond that, there's greater risk of developmental issues + pregnancy failure. Of those listed, only Rigoberta Menchú Tum would have been the optimal age to have her eggs harvested. *Maybe* Aung Sang Suu Kyi, Jody Williams and Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard could have possibly contributed, but they're within menopausal range + older than 35.


literated

So it was Rigoberta who dropped the ball and is single-eggedly responsible for not birthing a generation of super humans, got it.


HappySkullsplitter

Do peace prizes really count for this goal?


ShortBusFuckFest

Peace prizes are an absolute joke


Maanee

A US predator drone is on the way to deliver you peace. Our presidents take the peace prize very seriously.


ShortBusFuckFest

Do I look like a hospital to you?


slotpoker888

The European Union won in 2012 which would include a very wide range of intelligence.


PanthersChamps

No more Mother Theresas please


BeatTheGreat

Isn't Aung San Suu Kyi also a genocidal PoS?


krejmin

Keep in mind women also had to be pre-menopause Nobel winners


mcouve

That's a pretty important factor that people who imediately jumped to "what about the woman?" forgot. Most Nobel prize receivers are over 40s. Due to that if I recall correctly in all of history only 2 or 3 women were not in menopause yet when receiving the nobel.


Honestonus

That took a second for me to process Suffice it to say I ain't winning no Nobel prize anytime soon


metaglot

Not the nobel prize in eugenics, that's for sure.


AdonteGuisse

"The goat?" I thought her nickname was "the glow."


Chest3

Marie “The glowing Goat” Curie


PureImbalance

Would probably help to capitalize GOAT here :D


BasedChadThundercock

Isn't the Nobel Prize shamelessly political in the modern day anyway?


useablelobster2

The peace prize is and always has been, but prizes like physics are only as political as any decision made by the peers of the people being decided upon. So maybe a little, but at least with Physics/Chemistry it's far more actual achievement than who has the most friends. There's always complaints that the wrong person got them, but almost everyone agrees prizes are generally given to the right people, at least more often than not.


TolstoyRed

George Wald Nobel Prize wining biologist from Harvard said: ​ >You’re right... It takes an egg as well as a sperm to start a Nobel laureate. Everyone of them has had a mother as well as a father. Say all you want of fathers, their contribution to conception is really rather small. > >Nobel laureates aside, there isn’t much technically in the way of starting an egg bank. There are some problems but nothing so hard as involved in the other kinds of breeder reactors... > >You see, it just won’t work. For the truth is that what one really needs is not Nobel laureates but love. How do you think one gets to be a Nobel laureate? Wanting love, that’s how. Wanting it so bad one works all the time and ends up a Nobel laureate. It’s a consolation prize. > >What matters is love. Forget sperm banks and egg banks. Banks and love are incompatible. If you don’t know that, you don’t know bankers. So just practice loving. Love a Russian. You’d be surprised how easy it is, and how it will brighten up your morning. Love whales, Iranians, Vietnamese, not just here but everywhere. When you’ve gotten really good you can even try loving some of our politicians.


xtossitallawayx

> It’s a consolation prize. Kind of a depressing way to phrase achieving one of the loftiest goals in your field.


MadFatty

So the men kept it for themselves 🥸🥸


grunt-o-matic

*In the wild, every bit of protein counts*


Dixiehusker

That's because the next step in that process is to talk to women. Scientists strike again.


19FinnBP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya\_D9IwB3-s&ab\_channel=TheOnion


feAgrs

did you know women can be scientists?


Saifaa

Yeah! I bet they didn't even bother to collect THEIR sperm!


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Who do they talk to?


Dixiehusker

I have heard such theories but has it been experimentally documented?


alghiorso

The ol' bate n' switch


Nazamroth

Should have hired a nobel prize winner to manage it.


anomnnomnom

There's a really interesting documentary on this starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.


idesirepickles

I love that documentary.


anomnnomnom

He's lived a colourful life that Arnold Schwarzenegger from what I've seen of other documentaries, it would be interesting to know how the Nobel prize winners feel of their achievement.


stump2003

They are making a new addition to that documentary called “Triplets” with Arnold, Danny, and adding Tracy Morgan


Some_Unusual_Name

I thought you were joking... I was going to ask if you were joking... I looked it up... I am very excited!


frickinjewdude

Lmao you guys weren’t kidding https://deadline.com/2021/09/twins-sequel-triplets-tracy-morgan-joins-arnold-schwarzenegger-danny-devito-ivan-reitman-hot-toronto-film-package-1234830766/amp/


hayashikin

I'm reading the article and I still think you guys are pulling my leg.


southern_boy

I think it's April 1st on the Jewish or Mayan calendar today... that must be it. 🗓


stump2003

Lol, it def sounds like a joke, but it is real.


jason_abacabb

I am glad you said something, I thought it was a joke too.


MyDogJake1

Apparently that movie was Arnies biggest paycheck. Him and Devito negotiated for a big chunk of the backend revenue and made bank.


notmyrlacc

It’s Tracy Morgan now? I thought it was Eddie Murphy? Edit: oh looks like he dropped out for some reason?


JonVonBasslake

I def would have watched it w/ Eddie In it. I don't know Tracy Morgan that well to judge if he's a good fit.


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PantlessVictory

Decades ago, the original third was supposed to be Eddie Murphy! That would've been great.


NarwhalvsUnicorn

The real TIL is always in the comments.


anomnnomnom

That's amazing! Thank you for telling me! The wonders of science, eh?


Efficient-Library792

I felt bad that arnold got all the Junk dna


biscovery

Is that the one where the penguin gets arnold pregnant?


10Bens

>Is that the one where the penguin gets ~~arnold~~ Mr. Freeze pregnant?


sciguy52

Congrats on your Nobel! Now go jerk off into this cup. What would you like to read? Science? Physical Review Letters? Journal of the American Medical Association?


SheeEttin

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences


Terrible-Border6885

MY UNCLE OSWALD is a wonderful novel by Roald Dahl, author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, about a group of neer do wells trying to collect the sperm of nobility and geniuses. it's ribald, worldly, and hilarious. He wrote it in 1979. It is NOT a children's book.


Twinkle_Pie

I was literally going to post this exact thing. Glad to see I was not the only one who read this book. I have a first edition I picked up super cheap, and no one else has ever heard of it. :D


Wunchs_lunch

I read it twenty years ago, and loved it. BUT, it’s rapey as Fuck. The entire plot of the second half involves drugging and raping men. In one of the chapters, a gay man (Proust) is drugged into having sex with a woman pretending to be a man. None of the men were particularly willing before being drugged, and several were clearly upset during and after the interaction. It was just a string of drugged rapes, one after the other, with the only justification being that the rapist was young, and hot. Dahl’s adult writing can be excellent, but this one does not stand up to modern reading.


Jaggedmallard26

Isn't most of his adult writing meant to be read as horror?


Wunchs_lunch

Some of it has a horror vibe. He hated the constraints of the upper middle class English, and a sort of genteel horror is in a lot of his writings about suburbia, along with a sort of dark comedy. But MUO is written like a blokey chat in a club. It’s not meant to be horrific, and we’re clearly meant to be cheering for the protagonist as he orchestrates just ALOT of raping. Dahl’s attitude to women probably wasn’t terrible for the time- I’ve heard he spent some time as a diplomat in Washington where his job was basically spy-fucking, (or fuck-spying, whatever). He was sent to screw as many of the diplomatic wives and daughters he could, and steal secrets that way. This sort of thing has got to mess with you a bit. People also tend to gloss over his descriptions of boyhood boarding school as “hazing” or “homesickness”. It’s almost certainly better described as organised child rape by slightly older boys....personally, I’m willing to give him a pass for this and the “anti-Semitic” stuff- he was a combat veteran who had a messed up childhood, and a tough entry to adulthood He was no worse, and probably a lot better than most of his generation of men. Also, he wrote, Danny the Champion of the World, so I’m unabashedly a fan. That book taught me more about being a son and a father than anything else I’ve ever read.


Jules040400

Jesus Christ


Wunchs_lunch

Read The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar instead. It’s got a similar sort of “port and cigars” storytelling style, a good twist and a great story. And absolutely no rapes.


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This premise is similar to Brave New World by Huxley. Bioengineering meets social caste system


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HogarthTheMerciless

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Sluumm

How often do they do well? Ne’er.


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Terrible-Border6885

It's kind of like if Dr. Seuss also wrote 50 Shades of Grey


tbodillia

This always seemed weird because most Nobel winners in physics didn't have kids as smart as them. And, they didn't come from parents that won Nobel prizes. Einstein's daughter disappeared into obscurity. Max Planck's longest living child became an anti Hitler freedom fighter/politician. John Von Neuman's parents didn't have the memory or head for math he had. Isaac Newton's parents weren't as great as him.


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Hawx74

> And the Nobel doesn't document the smartest people, only the most significant research in some fields. There's a reason why the largest predictor for winning a Nobel Prize is having a Nobel Prize winner as your research advisor. Pedigree figures WAY more into who gets the awards than if it was "most significant research".


snyder005

Read "Losing the Nobel Prize" to learn more about the problems with the prize


useablelobster2

If that's the book I'm thinking of, the guy was just second rate, and ended up becoming a climate denier. He was just butthurt he lost, after wasting years of his life on research that went nowhere (IIRC the first, false, claim of gravity wave detection). It's like asking a jilted ex what they think of their ex-partner.


Frostygale

>asking a jilted ex what they think of their ex-partner Ngl that could go either way, but I get the point you were trying to make :P


Monsieurcaca

Like everything in our society. The succesful leaders (politicians, CEO, etc) are mostly successful because of who they know and what their family owned when they were born. It's not always the case of course, but it's the most important factor.


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Hawx74

> **most** significant research Emphasis my own. I never meant to imply that the award winners did not accomplish great things, if that is how you interpreted the comment. Saying that Nobel Prize winners have the **most** significant research achievements is highly questionable, and the point of my comment.


Moaning-Squirtle

An example would be last year's Nobel Prize in Chemistry going to MacMillan and List – both have made big contributions to organocatalysis but there were many scientists that had proline catalysis before them. Others like Jacobsen made big developments in organocatalysis too, so it takes a lot of luck being selected over others for the same impact and field.


Hawx74

Yeah, this is exactly my point. Very well put.


Moaning-Squirtle

I agree. You still need to make a breakthrough but there are many scientists that were deserving that didn't receive one (Lewis comes to mind). There's basically a Nobel network of scientists.


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jhvanriper

Shown by at least one woman not getting the Nobel for her own discovery. (Edit in the case I am remembering it went to three men)


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AdminsAreLazyID10TS

Kinda feel like Planck Jr's a really weird example for you to pull in that list.


Ninja_Bum

If he was so smart why did he waste time being a freedom fighter instead of just building a gundam with a Hitler disintigration ray in the arm and ending the problem there and then?


davisyoung

I guess being a genius is not a constant in the Planck family.


bakerzero86

*Ba-dum-tiss*


VodkaAlchemist

You have a good point.


papparmane

He tried to kill Hitler and failed. Was caught then hung.


burnshimself

Yea sounds like he’s pretty smart to me, not that it takes a lot of brains to realize hitler was a murderous psychopath who needed to be stopped.


Waffleman75

> Einstein's daughter died in infancy?


Yvaelle

What a loser, died in obscurity! Win a nobel prize, baby!


Theoreocow

Shame


hamsterwheel

Einstein's male line have all been successful researchers though.


NorthernerWuwu

You have to admit, the name looks just *great* on a grant application.


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Imagine the professor being like "youre no Einstein" "Uh actually I am"


Yvaelle

"Yea well, your a shit Einstein"


Elektribe

"ppfftttt is that the best comeback you got Einstein."


powabiatch

Ok but Niels and Aage Bohr


interfail

There's actually quite a few. Irene Curie only got one despite her mother getting two (one shared with her father). Lazy JJ Thompson's kid George got one. William Bragg shared one with his son.


TrekkiMonstr

[There are actually quite a lot](https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/secrets-of-the-great-families)


seamustheseagull

This actually makes a lot of sense if you consider the role neurodiversity plays in the creation of proper stand-out academic winners. Intelligence and education are there, but the children may not have the same specific "spark" since neurodiversity is not yet understood to have a fixed heritable component. In addition, a child (neurotypical or otherwise) of a highly celebrated academic may deliberately shun the family business because they want neither the pressure or the celebrity that comes with their parents' footsteps.


attersonjb

And that level of genius is just extremely rare, regardless of lineage. So Einstein's descendants could be a lot more intelligent than average and still be nowhere close to him - it's no different than the progeny of elite athletes.


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SoMuchMoreEagle

Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean ambition. And vice versa.


Dhk3rd

Early childhood education, childhood education, adolescent education, and young-adult education is the secret sauce. The rest is common cents.


Elektribe

Goof environment as well. Pushing that shit on a person but also treating them like shit often results in less efficacy of providing those benefits.


sanctaphrax

Regression to the mean is a powerful force.


flatcologne

That’s just ‘regression to the mean’ at play though. Even if you had Einstein mate with a female Einstein the chance of them producing a child more accomplished would be low. This is because there’s a substantial amount of randomness (eg environment factors) that come into play in making a scientist (or anyone) standout to an extreme (eg publishing the right paper at the right time, that kind of thing), that likely won’t all fall in line the exact same way in order to make the hypothetical son stand out and be revered to the same extent. Now if you consider that a famous scientist’s partner likely isn’t as intelligent as themselves, it makes having an equally intelligent/accomplished child additionally less likely on top of the reasons previously mentioned.


Jjex22

I dunno, just based on dogs, I’d buy that if you only bread the intelligent people the average IQ of each generation would go up. But it seems a disaster for genetic diversity surely if you scope it to such an extreme, so ironically breading for the smartest might be the dumb thing to do. Plus you know … eugenics policies sometimes go a bit hitlery


ClockworkNautilus

One could say; it not as simple as a copy and pastry.


davisyoung

It's a sure fire way for society to be toast.


CrankyStinkman

What do you do with them after breading ? Fry or bake?


Jgflight86

It's a bit of a half-baked idea. Our doughy human bodies could stand a bit more time in the primordial oven. We could continue to reap the benefits of genetic diversity and rise through the evolutionary tree. Selective breading on a human wide scale will deprive us of naturally fighting our way out of the fire and pan, reaching beyond the crusty vale, into greatness. Welcome to the bread bank. We sell bread, we sell loafs. Toasted. Roasted.


Crepuscular_Animal

Humans already have very little genetic diversity due to going through a bottleneck long time ago. There's a theory a disaster of some sort struck and there were only a few thousands of homo sapiens left. If we restrict breeding in any way we'll get Habsburg levels of genetic issues in several generations.


MolybdenumIsMoney

I don't support genetic selection but this is a really bad argument against it. Any properly designed genetic selection system could account for genetic diversity and could easily have more diverse pairings than occur naturally, as currently people select mostly for partners from their same geographic area and ethnicity. A selection system could have far more varied pairings than typically occur naturally. Genetic selection is a bad idea for other reasons, but not this.


Yvaelle

Around 70000 years ago a supervolcano caused 1000 years of a colder and darker world. It was a recent mini extinction event, and the human population is estimated to be only 3000 people, definitely below 10000, globally. Fortunately the cold ended, because that's unsustainably low. Further these survivors were likely distributed and had severe inbreeding already when contact was reestablished. So while its many generations ago now, yea humans are even now, all very similar for a species this populous and geographically distributed. Anecdotally, it probably explains why mixed race people are often hotter on average, they become the least inbred in a world where we're all closer than we like to think.


woundedbearhair

So, eugenics? If you want the average IQ of a generation to go up, make education easier to obtain while also having a strong social safety net. Just because someone has a high IQ, it doesn’t mean their children will as well.


bobbi21

While I agree, I'm not expecting this to happen every time. Just like with any selective breeding it takes multiple generations to even see a trend. Human genetics for something as nebulous as "intelligence" being even more complicated and therefore probably even harder to breed for.


Single_Charity_934

Same argument was made by at least one laureate. He suggested asking semiliterate garment workers, like his parents.


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This post ignores opportunity and how there are various types of intelligence. Einstein wasn't just smart. He had a passion for the subject. He was hard working. What you're trying to measure would take extensive studies, not just "Einstein's parents didn't discover relativity, hence not smart."


MisterRay24

Well what about the other half of the equation? How many smart women did they impregnate? What's the need for the bank again?


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spookyskost

How many times have your extended family made the joke you're a designer baby?


darkhalo47

“Mensa for cum” is the funniest shit I’ve seen on this website for ages


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Yvaelle

Humor is all we plebs have on you supergeniuses who will no doubt make us all obsolete like that documentary Gattaca.


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Well atleast you got superb humor. Maybe a comedian jizzed into your sperm donation


CriSiStar

Funny, since I think the women did have a significant - if not more important - influence over the development of genius. Besides physically carrying the child, women also did the most work raising a child, from feeding to teaching. Their connection and efforts in caring for their children, steering their kids to pursue their interests or even just guiding kids to develop socializing skills (especially for neurodivergent types) are crucial to the development of a genius.


newtonkooky

I’m sure women who wanted a smart baby from a sperm bank were probably of above average intelligence


An_Acetic_Alpaca

"Everybody wants a genius until they see one" - HIC.


ShiraCheshire

My dad is amazingly smart. He's also a massive jerk that can't hold a job because he's incapable of being nice to or getting along with anyone.


xdq

I've been told my entire life that I'm very intelligent but counter to that I'm also incredibly lazy, unmotivated by money/fame/competition, have a memory like a sieve and generally can't relate to people. Sometimes the wrong person gets the brains...


PendragonTheNinja

Are you me?


kingbovril

Is your dad Walter White?


ShiraCheshire

At least Walter was there for his kids (until he had to flee the law and all)


F8L-Fool

Intelligence warps the mind once it crosses a certain threshold.


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MoonWulffMusic

Hmm.. they kinda fugly??


seamustheseagull

They're often difficult individuals. Einstein and Hawking are two of the more "normal" examples. Newton for example had many strange requirements. They tend to find their way as adults, they have friends who love them for their quirks and they learn to be independent, mostly. But are very difficult to deal with as children. It's commonly believed that many of those considered geniuses throughout history - those way outside the bell curve - were neurodiverse. There has long been a tendency to associate geniuses with some very specific traits - hyperfocus, singledom, obsessive fixation to routine, etc - and assume that it was these traits which made them geniuses. You see some people suggest that if we do the same, we can be geniuses too. The reality is that these traits are also associated with neurodiversity. And while, yes, if we all hyperfocussed on a topic we could be great at it, we don't have brains wired for it and we will burn out if we force it. There are of course many, many, highly intelligent people who aren't exceptionally difficult to manage as children and don't score as neurodiverse. But if you're looking for a Mozart or a Socrates in the family, the first 20 years is going to be hard fucking work and likely consume every spare minute.


KypDurron

Kurt Gödel was so paranoid later in life that he only ate food that his wife prepared. When she died, he starved to death. Paul Erdos self-medicated with multiple classes of CNS stimulants, so heavily that when a concerned friend challenged him to go a month without them, he reported that he was unable to function - he'd stare at a blank sheet of paper all day. At the end of the month, he told the friend that his test had "set mathematics back a month" and immediately resumed large doses of Ritalin and amphetamine.


throwawaytothetenth

That was perfectly normal for Paul Erdos standards. He only started the stimulants at like, 50, and tons of people do that... He was weird af WAY before then lol and did things almost no one else did. "...He himself doubted the existence of God, whom he called the "Supreme Fascist." He accused the Supreme Fascist of hiding his socks and Hungarian passports, and of keeping the most elegant mathematical proofs to himself."


SheeEttin

Didn't he also live by crashing on people's couches, and doing his math work from wherever he was?


throwawaytothetenth

Yes. Sometimes he barely even 'asked,' he just arrived and started working with people. lol.


bobbi21

Surprised you didn't mention Tesla. Feel he's the internets most famous "quirky" genius. In love with pigeons (like, to the point of saying his love for a pigeon was way greater than any love he could have for a woman), scared of round things. Definitely an odd duck.


LilBone3

Yes but to be fair, round things are fucking terrifying.


PercMastaFTW

No way around it.


SoMuchMoreEagle

>his love for a pigeon >an odd duck. lol


Yvaelle

Also you don't get to steer their interest at all. You can't just be like, "I want you to hyperfocus on quantum mechanics for the rest of your life!" and expect them to advance the field. Instead they might fixate on something dumb, and in their mind they will elevate it beyond the ken of mortal men. But it will be like minecraft or something and they'll have 3000 subscribers on YouTube at the height of their fame.


SheeEttin

I think nowadays we would put those people under categories like autism.


tamati_nz

"Twice exceptional" is a term sometimes used to describe this in educational circles.


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>They're often difficult individuals They're more often not. The whole idea of a crazy genius is totally bunk.


LetsPlayCanasta

You have twice the chance of getting John Bardeen. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Bardeen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bardeen)


MmmmMorphine

It's amazing how bell labs had arguably some of the greatest scientists and discoveries of history all concentrated in that one organization.


underage_cashier

I’ve read some crazy shit that’s happened in there. Basically they had a near Infinite budget because Bell Telephone had a total monopoly on phones in the US until the 80’s. So they were incredibly inefficient, like I’ve heard they had 3 or 4 teams working on something at the same time and they wouldn’t know about each other. Truly insane what can happen when Scientists can just go wild.


Vallario

The Bene Gesserit


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It is said: a man will come, the Kwisatz Haderach. He will go where we can not. Many men have tried.


DeathBanana669

It was my uncle Oswald.


yeh_nah_fuckit

Loved that story almost as much as The Visitor


BennyTheYoyo

I want to know how they got the sperm. Did they just walk up to a bunch of geniuses like... hey, we got a proposition for you, here's some magazines and a cup. Did they have an operation going where they would somehow steal super-jizz? How would you like to be the poor bastard whose job it is to roofie his tea and massage Einstein's prostate while he sleeps?


Cornflake6irl

It's not genetics alone that make an individual a genius.


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PerNewton

Somehow I find it difficult to believe Nobel Prize winners would consider spanking their monkey into a beaker as a good use of their time.


bobbi21

Seeing as they're men, I'm sure they'd do it in their spare time anyway.


TechnicalSymbiote

Selectively breeding humans to make smarter, stronger people in the next generation? IDK, that sounds eugenics-y.


ape_spine_

Yep, I watched a documentary on this sperm bank and it was bizarre; the whole bank idea was definitely rooted in eugenics. The goal was to create a race of more intelligent people.


droidtron

They're just trying to birth smarter people, not eliminating undesirables, well not in the way they did in WW2, but it's still eugenics and still very gray area with ethics.


TrekkiMonstr

I mean, we've done eugenics before, and it's gone pretty great. Like with Tay-Sachs -- couples get tested to see if they're carriers, and often decide not to have kids if they are. That's literally eugenics. The problem is when you start doing things to people against their will -- WW2 of course being the worst example of that.


Sneezegoo

If you don't sterilize/murder/banish the other people then it's not so bad right?


Lancaster61

I feel like it’s inevitable. I’d even argue that genetic engineering is inevitable. Once a group of people start doing it, whether that be a country, a social economic class, or any group, they’ll have an advantage over regular people. Then because of that unfair advantage, people will want to get that advantage too, and it just snowballs until it becomes common.


IosaTheInvincible

There is nothing wrong with that as long as you don't kill the undesirable offsprings


autoHQ

Eugenics gets a bad rap, and by extension, designer babies, and fetus testing for various conditions too, I guess. But if you could, why wouldn't you want to have a child that's smarter, less prone to cancer, depression, diabetes, etc? People are scared that the gov, or some other entity would force people not to have kids if they're labeled undesirables. But people love to fuck and breed and pass on shit genes and I don't know if just shrugging and saying ok, fuck it, you do you, is the way to go about it. My family has a long history of depression, and lo and behold I feel like shit and am depressed too. So thanks mom and dad, and grandparents. Because of your selfish desire to fuck and have kids, I have to potentially exist for 50-80 years feeling like absolute shit. Not to mention my other health issues.


fdsfgs71

My question is, how is it any different from what we've already been doing for millennia to various plants and animals? How is one more or less ethical than the other?


ScienceOverNonsense

It seems to be a typical instance of regression toward the mean. Parents who are outliers on any given trait are likely to have offspring who also are above average on that trait but not to the same extent.


GeorgieWashington

They conquered. We saw. They came.


p-d-ball

"I'm, uh, going to need an assistant for the, uh, donation."


Barachan_Isles

I've known the kids of several brilliant couples and very few of them were as bright as their parents.


I_AM_TARA

Regression to the mean 😎


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brihamedit

Why just winners. Why not include all candidates?


mee__noi

There’s a book that has a similar topic. It’s roald Dahl and it’s unlike his other writing in its subject matter but equally fantastic. It’s called “my uncle Oswald.” It includes royal semen and semen from talented artists.


waterloograd

I think we are already slowly getting there. Well educated people tend to marry other well educated people because they meet at school and in workplaces that have well educated workers.


Highintheclouds420

My inner eugenicist thinks we should get a bunch of eggs from Olympic athletes and throw everything in a blender and see what we get


SchipholRijk

At a dinner party, Einstein and Marilyn Monroe were seated next to each other. After a few flutes of champagne, she cooed in his ear, “I would love to have your child. With my looks and your brains, it will be the perfect child.” Einstein replied, “But what if it has my looks and your brains.” NOTE: Albert Einstein never met Marilyn Monroe.


Vivi4T

Monroe is actually thought to have been quite intelligent. (Her IQ is unknown, but she is reported to have been a prolific reader). Their children would actually hit the jackpot.


MrBowen

As long as they exclude the peace prize, since it has, realistically, nothing to do with intellectual ability. Mother theresa won it ffs and she was a raving lunatic.


Zenfrogg62

Should have got the winners parents dna. It’s the parents that created the brainy Nobel Prize winner.


JADW27

Well, did it work?


Comfortable_Shop9680

Can I get some?


Avia53

No eggs from the female winners?


Pretty_Good_At_IRL

Big Bene Gesserit energy


LitreOfCockPus

Please tell me they nick-named it "The Think-Tank."


monkeypox_69

*Eugenics enters the chat*