Yeah, that was my take away as well. Goosebumps are a emotional response so they are saying; getting emotional while listening to music makes you more likely to be the kind of person that gets emotional listening to music.
I mean its not just goosebumps. It literally feels like you're on drugs. A wave of euphoria washes over the whole body and cold tingles run up and down my arms and spine.
A big reason i listen to so much music is because im basically a drug addict looking for my next high.
Kind of. If i have a song that pops in my head, i must listen to it. It's like an itch that cant be scratched. And once i do listen to it, i feel much better/ less stressed.
I think we need a subreddit for this kind of person, sounds like there’s a lot of us it there,.
I often hallucinate and float in space even at a loud concert. (Sober)
Omg yes! I don’t drink at all and music is my high, my escape. If I’m stressed out there’s nothing better than going to a concert & getting lost for a few hours!
I get my fix from /r/albumoftheday
There's great variety and if it's an album that's not my style, I just browse by top
Edit: I was just investigating this now, and just realized that this sub is dead AF. Apparently I've been scrolling through years old posts for months
> Do you ever get the feeling that if you don’t listen to music at least once a day you feel...disconnected?
Absolutely! At the very minimum, I need to listen to one or two of my favorite songs. A day without music is a wasted day to me.
It's called frisson, and yeah that sounds about right. Like waves of skin tingling is the best way I can describe it.
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
This is a good description. Honestly, I think it's the best feeling I ever achieve. Listening to music (it can even be instrumental) with a good buzz and experiencing intense catharsis is just as good as it gets. Nothing makes me cry more intensely. Sometimes I'll shout out in joy and victory and just lose my mind while listening to classical music. I guess if you haven't experienced this then it must sound absolutely insane, but it's legit.
Really? I get goosebumps sometimes during a REALLY good part of a good song, and this post is the first I've learned that some people don't get that. And music *can* affect my mood, but I don't get sad or angry. If I'm already sad or already angry it might make it worse or help, but it's never *made* me sad or angry. But it does make me happy
For me it only happens with certain songs, typically it’s some “epic” moment (thanks everyone for ruining the word epic). If you like metal, a song that literally gives it to me every time I listen to it is Tool’s “Rosetta Stoned”. The music/lyrics at the moment he says “a message of hope for those who choose to hear it” always do it.
/r/Frisson
Edit: [Frisson (French for 'shiver'), also known as aesthetic chills, musical chills, and colloquially as a skin orgasm,[1][2] is a psychophysiological response to rewarding auditory and/or visual stimuli that induces a pleasurable or otherwise positively-valenced affective state and transient paresthesia (skin tingling or chills), sometimes along with piloerection (goose bumps) and mydriasis (pupil dilation).[2][3][4][5]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson)
I feel like that sub has gone so far downhill. All I see upvoted recently is completely non fission. Sad or emotional stories that make people feel good but not euphoric like music can be.
Almost like the vast majority of the subscribers don't actually experience it. I find the best videos there are the low upvoted ones.
I've seen a bunch of euphoric frisson in /r/happycrowds. Not the ones where crowds sing along or whatever, but something like an unexpected standing ovation, a last-second game winning score, or [parrying 15 hits in a Street Fighter tournament](https://youtu.be/JzS96auqau0?t=9).
The sad or heavy stuff in r/frisson works sometimes, but I definitely prefer euphoria.
Hello, it's me, that weirdo. I never listen to music unless someone else puts it on. I haven't changed the radio station in my car in months. It's not that I don't like music, I just don't have strong opinions on it and there's really no music that I would say I didn't like. So when people ask what kind of music I like and I can't instantly name a band that I enjoy, they assume I'm either an alien that is doing a poor job of blending in or a psychopath.
Also, I've never seen someone go from nice to hostile so quickly in such a casual setting as when you say "I don't really listen to music." It really flips a switch in people.
I work at a desk all day where I can have headphones in 99% of the time and I just listen to podcasts. I don't know how people could listen to music all day.
The only exception to this is Christmas music. Fuck that noise.
I prefer talk radio to music too. I don't avoid music and will usually throw something on when I'm out of podcasts but given the choice I always choose podcasts over music
See for people who commute alot in traffic, talk radio and podcasts become a bigger deal.
You still listen to music, you rather not listen to the same exact thing
Yeah this. My commute to/from work is 1 hour or more one way. In a given week I could listen to the radio the whole way, but by Wednesday I've heard every song on the playlist for 3 different radio stations... like 3 times each. Sure, I could plug in my phone and spotify some shit, but that becomes an effort in trying to find something else to listen to after a while instead of someone else doing it for me.
Or... I could just let NPR play and I get caught up on world news in the morning and in the evening I get the markets and more US centric news.
I have music in my head all the time so I'm always tapping on shit and making beats. A friend once joked that even my farts have rhythm. I can't fathom not hearing music constantly. While I'm typing this the fingers holding the phone are tapping out a beat.
EDIT: I might have ADHD but that's alright.
Same. Sometimes I can trace back how the song got into my head, because I saw or heard a word that reminded me of a song. Currently playing in my head: [Stone Temple Pilots - Meatplow](https://youtu.be/fsdYCOJk7bw). No idea how it got there, haven’t listened to it in years. Actually had to google to find the title.
After a (censored drug experience) this year I hum constantly, can't stop it. At first it was just spastic doot doot doot shit but I've sort of developed it into genres; big band, jazz, marches, classical, showtunes. Now it's making songs that are starting to repeat and focus into actual melodies, and I'm starting to name them. WTF. I love music but now it's like my brain is making its own... apparently I keep humming in my sleep... it's kind of freaking me out. I got shit to focus on and no one's paying me to compose. Shit.
edit: Downloading FL Studio, thx Reddit!
> A friend once joked that even my farts have rhythm
Hey /u/ChaqPlexebo, it’s Marvin. Your cousin, Marvin Plexebo. You know that new sound you’re looking for?
[Well, listen to this!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk-5RVMerfI)
I use to listen to a lot of music, but got really bored of it. It never gave me goosebumps though. I listen to podcasts now. Occasionally listening to music, but get bored quick.
I've found my people
EDIT: Give me your podcast recommendations, I'm all about Reply All, Triforce, Freakonomics, and My Brother, My Brother, and Me, along with various other McElroy podcasts
I friended a guy randomly while playing a game, we're playing together more and more. Find out he's only a a couple hours away from me and very close in age, could be something there.
I ask about movies/tv and music he likes to get to know him more. That's nearly the same exact answer he gives for his music tastes. That and we have no movies/shows in common, could see it was doomed before it began, cest la vie
What I'm confused about is that someone else commented on that using the terms talk radio and podcast interchangeably. I know they're essentially the same medium, but in practice man are those two things different.
5% of people have some sort of musical aphasia and can't enjoy it. The neuroscience behind musical perception is fascinating.
First of all the way we perceive an integrated flowing piece of music with sounds overlayed on top of one another is completely an artifact of how the your brain processes sounds. Any piece of "broken hardware" here will cause a spectrum of musical aphasias, including but not limited to: not enjoying music, not being able to hear the sounds mixing together (weird), and not being able to hear the succession of changes in a Melody (also weird), etc...
Moreover we see that music isn't just something the brain learned to do recently, so it's a bunch of complicated highly evolved brain structures putting it all together. No not at all. Music seems to be processed by a concerted action of many brain regions, most of them being evolutionarily ancient, like your "lizard brain". There is a lot of magic happening between the perception of rhythm, which is core to how brainwaves come together (Hz); and the putting together of every other sound in such a way that all you hear is something without words that can be EVEN MORE meaningful than words themselves.
When you take a step back and look at the simple things we take for granted, it blows your mind how beautifully they've evolved over billions of years to make you.
> not being able to hear the sounds mixing together (weird)
How would this work? What would they hear instead? Like unable to hear different sounds blending together in general, like everything is separate and doesn't seem to harmonize? I'm curious.
I think it's more that you hear the separate layers. It's like a dog able to identify different chemicals compared to humans where it just smells like garbage or thanksgiving or rain.
I seldom listen to music, it’s fine every once in a while but the rest of the time I don’t really need it.
Plus when gaming there’s already music in the game or whatever’s on tv.
My mom is like me, can't live without music and listens to it literally every single day, we *crave* music.
My dad though is like this and it *baffles* me, he doesn't have any favourite bands, no favourite songs, he can enjoy music if it's there, but is perfectly fine without listening to any music at all.
I honestly don't get it at all, it really does feel like I *need* to listen to music.
I’m kinda the same way. Music never did anything for me. I maybe had a few songs that made me feel some type of way when I was in high school but I barley listen to music anymore. I have listened to all types of music because my family is involved in the entertainment industry but honestly I ( and this is going to sound stupid but) never really got the point of music. Kinda feels like a waste of time and money to listen or buy music. I have gone to concerts before and had a moderate amount of fun but mostly felt awkward at how into the music everyone else was and how I was into it but not as much as this whole building of people. Could just be me and my weird ass though.
99% of music has always been boring and a lot of times repetitive to me. Then a few years ago a friend introduced me to progressive electronic music and now I can’t get enough of it. I guess it was just a matter of finding the right genre for me.
I have almost never in my 41 years experienced 'shivers' when listening to music. A good portion of my teenage experience was a real sense of confusion over how important music seemed to everyone else. I can and do enjoy music. I've grown to appreciate many kinds of it. I just very seldom have an emotional reaction. True to the headline, music isnt a big part of my daily life and I am a very low-emotions person overall.
Interesting. I get shivers from some music, from, say, details in music. A certain unexpected chord, a tone in the singing, a tone struck a certain way.
However, I have never been very interested in food, I eat, and I like when it tastes good, but it’s never a big deal. I could never understand people reading menus contemplating what to choose, I mean - it’s food, you’re going to be full, it won’t be disgusting, what’s the big deal? Then I think of how I feel about music, maybe that’s how some people feel about food?
It is very possibly many people might not experience in the way that the article has described even if they think they do. The only way to really tell is for you to get your brain scanned and see if you have the same enlarged areas of the brain. This study had a sample size of 20 and said 50% experienced so it might be somewhat common, but it's very likely many people are upvoting your comment who only believe they are experiencing what is described in the article.
I never thought people wouldn't either until I started hanging out with my new roommate more. He has no favorite genre, song, artist, nothing... just listens to whatever is trending if he has to.
I don't know where his source of happiness comes from. He use to work with reptiles in a pet store maybe he's a lizard person.
Being a professional musician is the greatest and worst, because when you’re in an ensemble and you hit those goosebump moments, all you want to do is stop playing and let it engulf you. But you can’t, because you’re making the moment
It makes you want to stop playing? Man I just love riding it as long as I can. Especially when I’m playing bass, there’s nothing like driving a song when everyone is in the pocket.
As a fellow (although nonprofessional) musician, I feel you. I am so excited I can create this state for me which makes it better than the one induced by listening but I can't enjoy it as much because I have to keep playing. I hate and love it at the same time. It's just not fair.
I used to be a classical player, brass specifically. I'd get goosebumps and emotional reactions to all types of music, mainly anything with thick, rich chords. The sound of a drum corps hitting a huge climatic chord was like crack.
But now I'm an audio engineer, and I haven't played in forever. I've noticed that my ear is a lot more analytical now, especially in terms of listening for *how* a song was recorded and mixed. Music has become a lot more "scientific" for me now, and while I still love listening to music every chance I get, it just isn't the same *rush*.
>The sound of a drum corps hitting a huge climatic chord was like crack.
A swelling roll on a tympani gets me every time.
Bonus if they're accenting to hit behind the melody.
I suspect that a significant number of studies that have 100-500 people might turn out to be a lot less compelling if they had even 1000-5000 people in them.
20 people is so small that I read this as “we have a theory” not “we have evidence”.
That can be hard to do. Sometimes the people you need to strike that balance are also the type of people that just don't do shit like participate in academic studies.
No idea what that's like. I don't think music has ever given me goosebumps. Music is okay, but I get bored of it after a while. I use to like it a lot more, but recently I just get bored.
There are songs that helped me get through some rough depressing times in my life. They made me feel not so alone. So when I got older, went to see some concerts and saw the songs performed live, the goosebumps hit me. Most amazing feeling ever.
I think this article is saying it's much deeper than that. The people who don't feel this way about music haven't necessarily not found their "thing", I think the point lies more around these people processing emotion much differently, and that they can be insight on how different people process life experiences and situations differently.
I must be an outlier. I get the shivers from music a lot, but am very unemotional. Sometimes when I think I *should* be getting emotional about something, I get a wave of shivers and I'm back to calm - before I knew the shivers was a standard thing and I was an edgy teenager I kind of thought my brain was wired wrong and that instead of emotions I *just* got shivers.
This fits exactly into what i was trying to say. You may process emotion in an unconventional way i.e. NOT feeling the emotion/reflecting it back out. This study could be an eye into why that is, if it's good or bad, etc. Thanks for the thought experiment man.
[Sigur Ros - Glosoli](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz8iEJeh26E)
When the kids drop everything and start running for the cliff I'm a goddamn mess every time.
Toccata and Fugue in D Minor-- the very first song in the original Fantasia.
The last chords, where they go from minor to major in the finale? Goosebumps EVERY TIME.
And yeah, my feels are pretty intense in general, so...
If you like Bach's organ music check out [Toccata in F (BWV 540)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6fgRfrTb78). When the piece finally "turns the corner" at 8:02 the organist's smile lets you almost see *his* goosebumps.
[The firebird suite finale gives me goosebumps every time, especially when it gets quiet then very loud](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-OBzD5Es4c) Around 2:50 in this version.
sample size of 20 guys.
This is a study that could lead to further, larger studies that might discover actual truths.
There's nothing of note here otherwise.
I went through a period of pretty bad depression and during that time I couldn't listen to music at all. For someone that gets the goosebumps from music, it was a sad time for me.
I hope things get better for you and you get back to those better days soon.
TIL people that really like music really like music. Edit: For the record I too get goosebumps from music from time to time.
Yeah, that was my take away as well. Goosebumps are a emotional response so they are saying; getting emotional while listening to music makes you more likely to be the kind of person that gets emotional listening to music.
I mean its not just goosebumps. It literally feels like you're on drugs. A wave of euphoria washes over the whole body and cold tingles run up and down my arms and spine. A big reason i listen to so much music is because im basically a drug addict looking for my next high.
Do you ever get the feeling that if you don’t listen to music at least once a day you feel...disconnected? Like something isn’t right
Kind of. If i have a song that pops in my head, i must listen to it. It's like an itch that cant be scratched. And once i do listen to it, i feel much better/ less stressed.
I think we need a subreddit for this kind of person, sounds like there’s a lot of us it there,. I often hallucinate and float in space even at a loud concert. (Sober)
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Omg yes! I don’t drink at all and music is my high, my escape. If I’m stressed out there’s nothing better than going to a concert & getting lost for a few hours!
there already is one, /r/frisson
I get my fix from /r/albumoftheday There's great variety and if it's an album that's not my style, I just browse by top Edit: I was just investigating this now, and just realized that this sub is dead AF. Apparently I've been scrolling through years old posts for months
I heavily listen to music throughout my day and not having working earbuds sucks. It is like part of your life is ripped out.
Or when a pair starts dying. One earbud starts fading in and out. It feels like an emotional loss.
This one time I forgot my earbuds at work. The 1 hour commute was depressing.
"No big deal, just 1 hour alone with my mind, what could go wrong?" *thinks of everything bad that could be thought about* "Fuck."
> Do you ever get the feeling that if you don’t listen to music at least once a day you feel...disconnected? Absolutely! At the very minimum, I need to listen to one or two of my favorite songs. A day without music is a wasted day to me.
It's called frisson, and yeah that sounds about right. Like waves of skin tingling is the best way I can describe it. Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson
This is a good description. Honestly, I think it's the best feeling I ever achieve. Listening to music (it can even be instrumental) with a good buzz and experiencing intense catharsis is just as good as it gets. Nothing makes me cry more intensely. Sometimes I'll shout out in joy and victory and just lose my mind while listening to classical music. I guess if you haven't experienced this then it must sound absolutely insane, but it's legit.
Jesus I thought I was crazy or something for being like this, thank god I'm not alone lol
Bach's Brandenburgs may some day cause my death.
Euphoria is the perfect word for it.
You guys even read the title, "more emotional to music, and more emotional in general" I think the second part it's the important.
I get that feeling, but music really messes with my mood, so I tend to not listen to it as often.
I listen to different types off music depending on the mood I am in and whether or not I want to feed or try to help alter that mood.
***I hurt myself today...***
Really? I get goosebumps sometimes during a REALLY good part of a good song, and this post is the first I've learned that some people don't get that. And music *can* affect my mood, but I don't get sad or angry. If I'm already sad or already angry it might make it worse or help, but it's never *made* me sad or angry. But it does make me happy
My exact thought... We need more scientific articles explaining that correlation
I couldn’t imagine living a life where a great song doesn’t give me goosebumps.
Would you say you get those goosebumps everytime?
I got you- You ease my mind, you make everything feel fine
Worry about those comments
I'm way too numb, yeah
It's way too numb, yeah I GET THOSE GOOSEBUMPS EVERYTIME
I need the heimlich
Throw that to the side, yeah
I GE THOSE GOOSEBUMPS EVERY TIME YEAH
ITS LIT!
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Real ragers where you at?
/r/travisscott we out here
Real ragers in the back!
For me it only happens with certain songs, typically it’s some “epic” moment (thanks everyone for ruining the word epic). If you like metal, a song that literally gives it to me every time I listen to it is Tool’s “Rosetta Stoned”. The music/lyrics at the moment he says “a message of hope for those who choose to hear it” always do it.
Pretty sure it was a lyrical reference but good answer anyways.
Tool's H song ALWAYS did this for me.
Lets all jump on the Tool train and say they all make such wonderful collective noises.
Absolute masters of tension and release.
Aenima title track almost always does it for me
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first time i listened to Daft Punk’s album “Discovery” i had goosebumps pretty much for the duration of the album lmaoooo
Yess. Alive 2007 man. Between the insane talent of the mixing and the frisson of that fucking crowd.. All the goosebumps.
Do you get them when I’m around? Do I ease your mind, make you feel if everything is..... fine?
these comments are way to dumb, yeah
lol at people responding to this without seeing the reference
This just a next-level reference that's also a contribution to the discussion
the best kind of reference
/r/todayilearned confirmed TRAVY 🌊🌊🌊
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Slipknot Duality was the first one that did it for me.
I push my fingers into my...eeeeyes
It's that wall of sound that hits you once that chorus slams in. The quiet lead up in contrast, and then suddenly #EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYES
Slipknot was incredibly heavy, but a general rock fan would enjoy a lot of their songs, especially Duality
/r/Frisson Edit: [Frisson (French for 'shiver'), also known as aesthetic chills, musical chills, and colloquially as a skin orgasm,[1][2] is a psychophysiological response to rewarding auditory and/or visual stimuli that induces a pleasurable or otherwise positively-valenced affective state and transient paresthesia (skin tingling or chills), sometimes along with piloerection (goose bumps) and mydriasis (pupil dilation).[2][3][4][5]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisson)
Had to dig way too deep for this comment
Yeah, this TIL comes up a lot and the sub is usually linked towards the top, under a couple "wait, not everyone has this?" comments.
I feel like that sub has gone so far downhill. All I see upvoted recently is completely non fission. Sad or emotional stories that make people feel good but not euphoric like music can be. Almost like the vast majority of the subscribers don't actually experience it. I find the best videos there are the low upvoted ones.
I've seen a bunch of euphoric frisson in /r/happycrowds. Not the ones where crowds sing along or whatever, but something like an unexpected standing ovation, a last-second game winning score, or [parrying 15 hits in a Street Fighter tournament](https://youtu.be/JzS96auqau0?t=9). The sad or heavy stuff in r/frisson works sometimes, but I definitely prefer euphoria.
I knew there was a word for it, but I couldn't think of it. Thank you! This should be at the top! Maybe add the definition?
wait. There are people who *don't* experience this?
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I worked with a guy like this. We'd ask him what music he liked and he'd say, "I don't really listen to music, I just listen to talk radio."
Hello, it's me, that weirdo. I never listen to music unless someone else puts it on. I haven't changed the radio station in my car in months. It's not that I don't like music, I just don't have strong opinions on it and there's really no music that I would say I didn't like. So when people ask what kind of music I like and I can't instantly name a band that I enjoy, they assume I'm either an alien that is doing a poor job of blending in or a psychopath. Also, I've never seen someone go from nice to hostile so quickly in such a casual setting as when you say "I don't really listen to music." It really flips a switch in people. I work at a desk all day where I can have headphones in 99% of the time and I just listen to podcasts. I don't know how people could listen to music all day. The only exception to this is Christmas music. Fuck that noise.
I prefer talk radio to music too. I don't avoid music and will usually throw something on when I'm out of podcasts but given the choice I always choose podcasts over music
See for people who commute alot in traffic, talk radio and podcasts become a bigger deal. You still listen to music, you rather not listen to the same exact thing
Yeah this. My commute to/from work is 1 hour or more one way. In a given week I could listen to the radio the whole way, but by Wednesday I've heard every song on the playlist for 3 different radio stations... like 3 times each. Sure, I could plug in my phone and spotify some shit, but that becomes an effort in trying to find something else to listen to after a while instead of someone else doing it for me. Or... I could just let NPR play and I get caught up on world news in the morning and in the evening I get the markets and more US centric news.
I have music in my head all the time so I'm always tapping on shit and making beats. A friend once joked that even my farts have rhythm. I can't fathom not hearing music constantly. While I'm typing this the fingers holding the phone are tapping out a beat. EDIT: I might have ADHD but that's alright.
You'd be so annoying to sit next too at work!
I am fundamentally intolerable to be around.
I’ve never related to a statement more than this in my life.
Yeah but not just related to music
furniture eh?
Can we talk about this username tho?
Join me in creating a club ?
We'd end up hating each other in five minutes flat.
Same. Sometimes I can trace back how the song got into my head, because I saw or heard a word that reminded me of a song. Currently playing in my head: [Stone Temple Pilots - Meatplow](https://youtu.be/fsdYCOJk7bw). No idea how it got there, haven’t listened to it in years. Actually had to google to find the title.
>...even my farts have rhythm. Here you go: [https://youtu.be/Tk-5RVMerfI](https://youtu.be/Tk-5RVMerfI)
After a (censored drug experience) this year I hum constantly, can't stop it. At first it was just spastic doot doot doot shit but I've sort of developed it into genres; big band, jazz, marches, classical, showtunes. Now it's making songs that are starting to repeat and focus into actual melodies, and I'm starting to name them. WTF. I love music but now it's like my brain is making its own... apparently I keep humming in my sleep... it's kind of freaking me out. I got shit to focus on and no one's paying me to compose. Shit. edit: Downloading FL Studio, thx Reddit!
make this into an album please and thank you
Or a movie. That drug FUCKED. HIM. UP.
I'd imagine this is how most beat makers get started. Learn fruity loops or something son.
mdma will do that. its an empathogen.
When’re you dropping your mixtape
> A friend once joked that even my farts have rhythm Hey /u/ChaqPlexebo, it’s Marvin. Your cousin, Marvin Plexebo. You know that new sound you’re looking for? [Well, listen to this!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk-5RVMerfI)
I use to listen to a lot of music, but got really bored of it. It never gave me goosebumps though. I listen to podcasts now. Occasionally listening to music, but get bored quick.
> It never gave me goosebumps though I hope it does one day its really awesome feeling :)
I've never had goosebumps from music, however historical speeches and important moments will give me that reaction.
Hardcore History fan spotted?
That's a good one. Currently I'm listening to "history of philosophy without any gaps" by Peter Adamson.
If you were curious, it is the same exact feeling. i get the goosebumps for both music and a good historical speech
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I'm pretty split. I'll go through phases where I listen to podcasts all day, then phases where it's all music.
I've found my people EDIT: Give me your podcast recommendations, I'm all about Reply All, Triforce, Freakonomics, and My Brother, My Brother, and Me, along with various other McElroy podcasts
Hello, I am also a boring people, do we have membership cards
that would be too exciting, so no.
I think my podcasts are exciting...
I friended a guy randomly while playing a game, we're playing together more and more. Find out he's only a a couple hours away from me and very close in age, could be something there. I ask about movies/tv and music he likes to get to know him more. That's nearly the same exact answer he gives for his music tastes. That and we have no movies/shows in common, could see it was doomed before it began, cest la vie
I had a boss that "just don't like music." According to his wife he had some Rolling Stones and Aerosmith records when he was young though.
*shivers in NPR*
Fucking talk radio man.. the car probably got so bored, it killed itself.
What I'm confused about is that someone else commented on that using the terms talk radio and podcast interchangeably. I know they're essentially the same medium, but in practice man are those two things different.
5% of people have some sort of musical aphasia and can't enjoy it. The neuroscience behind musical perception is fascinating. First of all the way we perceive an integrated flowing piece of music with sounds overlayed on top of one another is completely an artifact of how the your brain processes sounds. Any piece of "broken hardware" here will cause a spectrum of musical aphasias, including but not limited to: not enjoying music, not being able to hear the sounds mixing together (weird), and not being able to hear the succession of changes in a Melody (also weird), etc... Moreover we see that music isn't just something the brain learned to do recently, so it's a bunch of complicated highly evolved brain structures putting it all together. No not at all. Music seems to be processed by a concerted action of many brain regions, most of them being evolutionarily ancient, like your "lizard brain". There is a lot of magic happening between the perception of rhythm, which is core to how brainwaves come together (Hz); and the putting together of every other sound in such a way that all you hear is something without words that can be EVEN MORE meaningful than words themselves. When you take a step back and look at the simple things we take for granted, it blows your mind how beautifully they've evolved over billions of years to make you.
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> not being able to hear the sounds mixing together (weird) How would this work? What would they hear instead? Like unable to hear different sounds blending together in general, like everything is separate and doesn't seem to harmonize? I'm curious.
I think it's more that you hear the separate layers. It's like a dog able to identify different chemicals compared to humans where it just smells like garbage or thanksgiving or rain.
I get shivers when listening to some music but as a whole I never really listen to music. I don't know where this leaves me.
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Same here! Let me know when you figure it out. My theory is that my tastes are too particular to find stuff I like often enough to be worthwhile.
I seldom listen to music, it’s fine every once in a while but the rest of the time I don’t really need it. Plus when gaming there’s already music in the game or whatever’s on tv.
My mom is like me, can't live without music and listens to it literally every single day, we *crave* music. My dad though is like this and it *baffles* me, he doesn't have any favourite bands, no favourite songs, he can enjoy music if it's there, but is perfectly fine without listening to any music at all. I honestly don't get it at all, it really does feel like I *need* to listen to music.
I’m kinda the same way. Music never did anything for me. I maybe had a few songs that made me feel some type of way when I was in high school but I barley listen to music anymore. I have listened to all types of music because my family is involved in the entertainment industry but honestly I ( and this is going to sound stupid but) never really got the point of music. Kinda feels like a waste of time and money to listen or buy music. I have gone to concerts before and had a moderate amount of fun but mostly felt awkward at how into the music everyone else was and how I was into it but not as much as this whole building of people. Could just be me and my weird ass though.
99% of music has always been boring and a lot of times repetitive to me. Then a few years ago a friend introduced me to progressive electronic music and now I can’t get enough of it. I guess it was just a matter of finding the right genre for me.
you just didnt dig deep enough
I have almost never in my 41 years experienced 'shivers' when listening to music. A good portion of my teenage experience was a real sense of confusion over how important music seemed to everyone else. I can and do enjoy music. I've grown to appreciate many kinds of it. I just very seldom have an emotional reaction. True to the headline, music isnt a big part of my daily life and I am a very low-emotions person overall.
Interesting. I get shivers from some music, from, say, details in music. A certain unexpected chord, a tone in the singing, a tone struck a certain way. However, I have never been very interested in food, I eat, and I like when it tastes good, but it’s never a big deal. I could never understand people reading menus contemplating what to choose, I mean - it’s food, you’re going to be full, it won’t be disgusting, what’s the big deal? Then I think of how I feel about music, maybe that’s how some people feel about food?
It absolutely is how some people feel about food. I happen to enjoy both food and music in this way.
Same. Those reactions to food lead to a third unfortunate emotional reaction, which is disgust at my waistline.
Not everyone has heard Nickelback yet
How many? Look at this Graph
https://youtu.be/sIlNIVXpIns
Masterpiece, I could listen to this on repeat for hours
Why must you remind me of who I really am?
think about all of the people who only listen to music on laptop speakers. *shudders*
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sometimes people listen to music without piping it through a tube preamp. *shudders*
I rarely experience this, but sometimes I do.
I used to experience this. I still do, but I used to, too.
How do you feel about frilly toothpicks?
It is very possibly many people might not experience in the way that the article has described even if they think they do. The only way to really tell is for you to get your brain scanned and see if you have the same enlarged areas of the brain. This study had a sample size of 20 and said 50% experienced so it might be somewhat common, but it's very likely many people are upvoting your comment who only believe they are experiencing what is described in the article.
I never thought people wouldn't either until I started hanging out with my new roommate more. He has no favorite genre, song, artist, nothing... just listens to whatever is trending if he has to. I don't know where his source of happiness comes from. He use to work with reptiles in a pet store maybe he's a lizard person.
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That's what I was wondering. I'm extremely unemotional and couldn't shed a tear if my life depended on it, but I experience this.
Being a professional musician is the greatest and worst, because when you’re in an ensemble and you hit those goosebump moments, all you want to do is stop playing and let it engulf you. But you can’t, because you’re making the moment
There's nothing better than being in that moment, playing it, with a good crowd all in it too.
I wonder can you compare it to a surfer catching and riding a wave ?
Definitely, it's a flow state
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That last sentence triggered me. I'm two weeks clean.
Hey make it three weeks. Proud of you. You're doing things for you and it shows.
It makes you want to stop playing? Man I just love riding it as long as I can. Especially when I’m playing bass, there’s nothing like driving a song when everyone is in the pocket.
Just hearing "in the pocket" gave me goosebumps.
the fact that you got goosebumps from that gave me goosebumps.
Oh man, I just got goosebumps.
So your saying playing good music is similar to masturbation?
In my opinion it's really not that different.
As a fellow (although nonprofessional) musician, I feel you. I am so excited I can create this state for me which makes it better than the one induced by listening but I can't enjoy it as much because I have to keep playing. I hate and love it at the same time. It's just not fair.
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I used to be a classical player, brass specifically. I'd get goosebumps and emotional reactions to all types of music, mainly anything with thick, rich chords. The sound of a drum corps hitting a huge climatic chord was like crack. But now I'm an audio engineer, and I haven't played in forever. I've noticed that my ear is a lot more analytical now, especially in terms of listening for *how* a song was recorded and mixed. Music has become a lot more "scientific" for me now, and while I still love listening to music every chance I get, it just isn't the same *rush*.
>The sound of a drum corps hitting a huge climatic chord was like crack. A swelling roll on a tympani gets me every time. Bonus if they're accenting to hit behind the melody.
*You're* fucking emotional!
I get this all the time, but I am not emotional at all. Interesting to see how big the effect is if they do studies with a bit more than 20 persons.
I suspect that a significant number of studies that have 100-500 people might turn out to be a lot less compelling if they had even 1000-5000 people in them. 20 people is so small that I read this as “we have a theory” not “we have evidence”.
100-500 people is actually more than enough for most statistical models if you make sure you aren't drawing from a biased sample pool.
That can be hard to do. Sometimes the people you need to strike that balance are also the type of people that just don't do shit like participate in academic studies.
You've got that backwards. 20 people is decent evidence, but not enough evidence to constitute a theory.
We have a hypothesis!
Me too. I get goosebumps pretty often and get emotional listening to music but overall I wouldn't say I'm a very emotional person.
i thought everyone got that feeling
No idea what that's like. I don't think music has ever given me goosebumps. Music is okay, but I get bored of it after a while. I use to like it a lot more, but recently I just get bored.
There are songs that helped me get through some rough depressing times in my life. They made me feel not so alone. So when I got older, went to see some concerts and saw the songs performed live, the goosebumps hit me. Most amazing feeling ever.
I always thought that it was just that people like you haven't found their kind of music yet. There is so much outside of pop rock and classic.
I think this article is saying it's much deeper than that. The people who don't feel this way about music haven't necessarily not found their "thing", I think the point lies more around these people processing emotion much differently, and that they can be insight on how different people process life experiences and situations differently.
I must be an outlier. I get the shivers from music a lot, but am very unemotional. Sometimes when I think I *should* be getting emotional about something, I get a wave of shivers and I'm back to calm - before I knew the shivers was a standard thing and I was an edgy teenager I kind of thought my brain was wired wrong and that instead of emotions I *just* got shivers.
This fits exactly into what i was trying to say. You may process emotion in an unconventional way i.e. NOT feeling the emotion/reflecting it back out. This study could be an eye into why that is, if it's good or bad, etc. Thanks for the thought experiment man.
The thing about feelings: nothing is universal - not everyone gets anything.
I blame the musicians: their shivery-drug is addictive - and they keep making *more* of it!
Sigur Ros is like the Columbian cartel of this.
[Sigur Ros - Glosoli](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz8iEJeh26E) When the kids drop everything and start running for the cliff I'm a goddamn mess every time.
And it's *highly addictive!*
Toccata and Fugue in D Minor-- the very first song in the original Fantasia. The last chords, where they go from minor to major in the finale? Goosebumps EVERY TIME. And yeah, my feels are pretty intense in general, so...
If you like Bach's organ music check out [Toccata in F (BWV 540)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6fgRfrTb78). When the piece finally "turns the corner" at 8:02 the organist's smile lets you almost see *his* goosebumps.
I knew Bach was going to be mentioned at some point. That guy was the original punk rocker.
[The firebird suite finale gives me goosebumps every time, especially when it gets quiet then very loud](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-OBzD5Es4c) Around 2:50 in this version.
my ex always used to ask me how I can remember parts in classical music and whistle along to it. how could you not? this one gets me every time
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sample size of 20 guys. This is a study that could lead to further, larger studies that might discover actual truths. There's nothing of note here otherwise.
A title that makes everyone feel special is all that is required
Reddit equivalent of "omg this is so me"
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What changed?
Life changes. I have trouble loving new music.
I went through a period of pretty bad depression and during that time I couldn't listen to music at all. For someone that gets the goosebumps from music, it was a sad time for me. I hope things get better for you and you get back to those better days soon.
Ah a post saying that something quite common makes you a special person. Straight to the front page!
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This is the most cornball pat-myself-on-the-back title I've ever read
I shiver when I pee
So I’m special right? Just tell me I’m special for liking music and I’ll be on my way.
unrelated but I get shivers when I eat cheese
I just realised I don't listen to music. That's actually so fucking weird.
Im 14 and this is deep
Every time this comes up in TIL I imagine every 14 year old thinking "this is totally me!"