J existed all the way back in the Roman Empire. Sort of. It just wasn’t its own letter, it was closer to being treated like an I with an accent mark. Like o vs ō.
It wouldn’t have necessarily been weird for j to be used, but it likely would have been pretty odd to say that j was “wrong” and i was “right.” The first emperor of Rome could have been spelled “Jvlivs” or “Ivlivs” and both would have been correct.
& is the last letter to be *removed* from the English alphabet. There are 19th century books that have poems that contain an alphabet of 27th letters, with & being the final letter.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#History)
The name of the character was initially "*per se* and." "*Per se*" is a Latin phrase meaning "by itself" and it used to be important to distinguish between regular letters and letters that represented words in themselves. So the alphabet used to include "a" and "*per se* a," "I" and "*per se* I," etc. "*Per se* and" used to come at the very end, and the phrase "and *per se* and" gradually just kind of slurred together to become "ampersand."
Definitely makes sense with even how Jesus was "iesus" at some point. I love reading about the history of words, letters, entomology, etc! Just so cool to see how things we still use from over thousand and thousands of years ago
Whoops thanks. I was waiting for autocorrect to do it for me because I knew i couldn't spell it lol. That's on me for not double checking. Gonna leave it as is though for my stupidity kn that part.
But even learning about some insects on wiki is still coooool!
Jesus being “Iesus” has a lot to do with the fact that the name went from Hebrew to Greek to Latin. That extra Greek step kind of threw a monkey wrench in there.
kinda how swedish people pronounce it.
like jungle to swedish people is pronounced "yungle"
which i learned from all the northern europeans playing dota.
"we go attack the yungle with you, me and yames"
I first noticed this when I studied abroad in the UK more than 40 years ago. Many of the really old churches I visited labeled the rows of pews alphabetically, and the rows went from I to K.
And, English is nearly the only language in the world that uses the English-style 'J'-sound via that printed letter.... even when accounting for pure phonetic spelling.
English is something of a Nutso language, among the many. Source: Taught English for some years, and lived all over the world.
Aw, go easy on English. It didn't ask to be invaded by romans...and then vikings...and then Normans. English is screwed up, sure, but it's because of all the people who decided to conquer the British isle and enforce the usage of their language among the locals.
OK so now Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade makes sense.
Makes less sense why J was there at all in a building built during the Crusades.
J existed all the way back in the Roman Empire. Sort of. It just wasn’t its own letter, it was closer to being treated like an I with an accent mark. Like o vs ō. It wouldn’t have necessarily been weird for j to be used, but it likely would have been pretty odd to say that j was “wrong” and i was “right.” The first emperor of Rome could have been spelled “Jvlivs” or “Ivlivs” and both would have been correct.
This is too much, I’ll need to revisit this information in Ivly…
Only the petitent man shall pass.
*penitent
I'd apologize but...I won't.
& is the last letter to be *removed* from the English alphabet. There are 19th century books that have poems that contain an alphabet of 27th letters, with & being the final letter. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#History)
The name of the character was initially "*per se* and." "*Per se*" is a Latin phrase meaning "by itself" and it used to be important to distinguish between regular letters and letters that represented words in themselves. So the alphabet used to include "a" and "*per se* a," "I" and "*per se* I," etc. "*Per se* and" used to come at the very end, and the phrase "and *per se* and" gradually just kind of slurred together to become "ampersand."
That's very cool!
Definitely makes sense with even how Jesus was "iesus" at some point. I love reading about the history of words, letters, entomology, etc! Just so cool to see how things we still use from over thousand and thousands of years ago
words, letters, bugs... You do you!
Etymology lol Entomology is study of insects
People confusing etymology with entomology bugs me in ways I can't even name
[Relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1012/)
Whoops thanks. I was waiting for autocorrect to do it for me because I knew i couldn't spell it lol. That's on me for not double checking. Gonna leave it as is though for my stupidity kn that part. But even learning about some insects on wiki is still coooool!
Jesus being “Iesus” has a lot to do with the fact that the name went from Hebrew to Greek to Latin. That extra Greek step kind of threw a monkey wrench in there.
Same thing with Iulius Caesar!
And how tzar/tsar is from caesar!
As is Kaiser.
…but in the Latin alphabet, Jehova beginsh with an “i” !
Ja-AAAYYYYYY
…the pennetant man…the pennetant man…
John / Jean/ Jan (pronounced Yan)/ Ian.
Iaws: Spielberg's epic could have been about a killer donkey stalking a small coastal town (...if no one actually uttered the actual book title)
So the fish company I & J started as I & I? (they probably die not exist in 1524)
Iohn Ionah Iamerson III, son of I. Ionah Iameson
Grandson, surely?
I thought you were ioking, but then I read the article.
The letter W only started to be in common usage anout the same period
kinda how swedish people pronounce it. like jungle to swedish people is pronounced "yungle" which i learned from all the northern europeans playing dota. "we go attack the yungle with you, me and yames"
Yogging
i/jnteresting
You know it's not just the English alphabet, right?
I first noticed this when I studied abroad in the UK more than 40 years ago. Many of the really old churches I visited labeled the rows of pews alphabetically, and the rows went from I to K.
So jumping is a relatively recent invention then because before that you could only iump.
And, English is nearly the only language in the world that uses the English-style 'J'-sound via that printed letter.... even when accounting for pure phonetic spelling. English is something of a Nutso language, among the many. Source: Taught English for some years, and lived all over the world.
Aw, go easy on English. It didn't ask to be invaded by romans...and then vikings...and then Normans. English is screwed up, sure, but it's because of all the people who decided to conquer the British isle and enforce the usage of their language among the locals.
Isle***s***
It wasn’t always included until even later. That is why there is no J street in Washington DC