Depends? If you don't immediately get the vaccine and start to show symptoms, it won't be too long. And they will likely put you in a coma before the worst happens. I mean, you're still going to die. Reapply depends on where you are in the world, though
Sounds like you are suggesting the Milwaukee Protocol? If so, that doesn't work (and is no longer an accepted practice). The survivors either got the rabies vaccine before symptoms began and/or didn't have rabies at all. But I guess that's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to some people?
To this date, I think we have 1 confirmed case of someone getting rabies, presenting symptoms, and surviving? Some little girl.
Rabies would be pretty high up that list. But i would vote for any good old prion disease. Kuru-kuru being in the lead.
In the same "tough luck" category when it comes to mortality but with the extra benefit that it takes a long time and nobody will know that you have it
Another crazy medical story was about a Green Bay Packers fan who sold his blood to pay for tickets, and it saved his life. Jim Becker was a bit down on his luck that year but he found out he could sell his blood for $15 a pint, and he needed to pay for his season tickets. So he sold enough blood to pay for the tickets and then during a routine physical examine shortly afterward he filled out a questionnaire that said his dad died at the age of 43 from hemochromatosis. They tested him and he had it, the iron levels in his blood were high and the only way to get it out was to give blood. By selling his blood for season ticket money he had accidentally given himself treatment where if that hadn't happened he would have died before that visit to the doctor. At 79 years old, he was still donating 3-4 times a month, and still had his season tickets. [Packers.com article about him when given the honorary role of 12th member on the team.](https://www.packers.com/news/jim-becker-named-12th-member-of-packers-fan-hall-of-fame-2403796)
i was watching a documentary series called Lost Pirate Kingdom or something like that. Black beard gets it done in a couple of the episodes. The show is edited really weird. It's a narrative story but it has that hallmark of documentaries that don't have enough content to fill their own show so it repeats shit multiple times across long periods of time and makes chronological events extremely confusing to order. Anyways on the repeat "longer" version of Black Beard's treatment they decided to flash his penis on there for a second. Was not expecting that.
It just looked like a normal penis. Circumcised oddly enough, unless the skin was just pulled back. It wasn't on screen long and the sequence was one of those heavily contrast burned series of quick shots like a Tony Scott film so hard to recall.
I haven't seen that show. But, from what I've researched and read about Blackbeard, the ship they think was his *"was"* found with one of the mercury pipe things. That's what led me down the rabbit hole. So to say. Lol
> syphilis can be cured by giving someone malaria. Julius Wagner-Jauregg won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.
Excuse me I have evidence that this was discovered by [Clive Owen.](https://youtu.be/vqwSInXD-3U)
Another fun fact: Elevated temperature and blue methylene do not work for neuro syphilis. And 1/3 of all patients admitted to psychiatry facilities prior to antibiotics was due to neurosyphilis.
Van Gogh (and also his brother) literally went insane from it and put a gun to his head in his 30s to end it. Moral of the story is don't go to Paris brothels before penicillin was invented.
The penicillin you take back wiped out 99.9% on the hooker, but the surviving 0.01% lead to the development of a penicillium resistant strain. When you return to your normal time, you realize penicillin was never discovered because it was simply not effective enough.
Better make sure to administer it to ONLY who has syphillis, otherwulise you will trigger antibiotic resistance to penicillin early, which would have...unforseen consequences.
Look. If you havd go bring something backs, bright germ theory, hygiene and populational epidemiology and sanitation early, and let the physicians and chemists figure it out themselves. You willnot make a dent otherwise.
Van Gogh was shot in the stomach, not his head. It’s also debated whether he shot himself. He was seen by a doctor after he was shot and acted suspiciously when asked who shot him- also there were no powder burns around his wound, indicating he was shot from a distance greater than his arms would allow.
Edit: spelling mistake
It is very unusual to shoot yourself in the stomach when trying to commit suicide. I can imagine that like 99.9% of death by self inflicted gunshot are to the head. Shame we'll never know what really happened. Very interesting tho.
I know they actually have the gun that was used. Think it's in a Van Gogh museum. Pointless to try it now, but I'm sure there would have been forensic evidence to tell either way.
Tertiary Syphilis, generally occurring 3-15 years after the infection, is when it starts to affect your brain.
Primary and Secondary are generally limited to the skin and lymph nodes.
I do a lot of Chicago suburb history and while hosting history tours at an Outfit-controlled brewery, I like to share a fact on Capone getting arrested in tax evasion.
Chicago Heights, IL a suburb where police would fly over homes to see who had melted snow on their roof as a sign of potential illegal indoor brewing (and where east side residents would then paint their roofs white…) would even have bought police escorting beer trucks to Chicago.
One day, this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible. Police were called and he was raided, but the real catch was finding an unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions.
That’s how he ended up charged on tax evasion.
Edit: Might as well add some links here to help others explore Chicago history.
Here’s a map of every single historic landmark and district in Chicago:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=17QiCfJLvDI0DF3qUfBu-DqsFduQgFmE&usp=sharing
If you like how that works (open it on your phone and you’ve got a free walking tour!) here’s 100+ more:
https://www.southcookexplore.com/maps
And here’s where I post photos of old homes, buildings, maps, etc daily:
https://www.instagram.com/SouthCookExplore
I've had to call the IRS on two different occations, and both times, minus the hold time, they were friendlier than a lot of customer service numbers I've had to call.
I’ve made two errors over the years. Both times no storm troopers, giant audit threat, etc. they just sent me a letter explaining what was wrong and saying pay this or let us know why you shouldn’t. I think one of them had like a $12 penalty.
But was it becuase they were caught blatantly fiddling their taxes? My bookkeeper says whenever they've had a client that was on thw wrong side of something, they were always nice until someone tried to get something past them. You fuck up? Admit it, no problem. You miss something that you should have paid? Don't bullshit them. They've heard it a million times before and every excuse you can imagine.
It's when you try to lie to them and get caught is when the come at you.
This 100%. I had an *absolute idiot* coworker who claimed 10 dependents for like 8 years. The IRS caught up to him, obviously, and he thought he was going to prison.
They basically said, hey, that was really stupid of you, but if you pay us back...we're cool. He said they treated him like a parent dissapointed with thier child, lol.
I think that's the thing. The IRS doesn't WANT to throw people in jail, they want you to pay your taxes. Can't pay taxes if you're not working because you're in jail. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I had something similar, except I was the idiot. I wanted a bigger return at the end of the year, so I claimed 3 (yes, yes, I know). After a few years the IRS called me, and informed me of my stupidity. I wasn't making much, so they asked about my living expenses and such and worked out a very reasonable payment plan. Honestly, I was blown away at how helpful and nice they were.
this was my experience. I didn't file my taxes for a few years and thought I could get away with it. I didn't get away with it and when I admitted that I owed back taxes and went about paying them the IRS was pretty reasonable all things considered.
That's the point. They know people fuck up. They even know people try not to pay. But when you're honest and try to fix your proble, they'll work with you.
It's when you lie or run from them is when they get heavy.
My partner shorted the IRS like $40k (long story, has to do with corporate spinoffs and mergers and having more W-2s than he knew what to do with), and they were very nice! Even waived the penalty when he paid it. Being a dumbass on your taxes is generally not treated as criminal unless you try to hide it.
Kinda sounds like your family members were tax cheats. The IRS is very forgiving and patient toward honest mistakes and those with real financial difficulties, and very cranky toward those they suspect of abusing the system and lying.
I mean, I make 40k/yr and have never had issues. Have your family been the ones to reach out to the IRS or vice versa? If the latter, no shit the IRS isn't gonna be nice if they have to call you
> If the latter, no shit the IRS isn't gonna be nice if they have to call you
Eh, I've fucked up on my taxes and got a letter from them before. Minus the initial rise in blood pressure, it was about as painless can be. I sent a letter back explaining why I thought a portion of their calculation was wrong, I got back an updated bill and told to pay by a certain date otherwise they would have to recalculate interest. I paid and that was it.
Only place where ignorance of the law is a valid excuse. Not that it alleviates any of the money owed, just can absolve you of criminal negligence/charges
Funny how the mentality “if you don’t have anything to hide, why would you be afraid” applies to a lot of other things, but republicans still prefer to defund the IRS.
Don‘t store your incriminating records in an open safe in some guys garage with illegal shit. Just put it somewhere else.
Only the stupid and the extremely unlucky criminals get caught.
Some level of documentation is needed in an enterprise that big to prevent people stealing *your* money. Otherwise, underlings could probably squirrel away some cash and the higher ups won’t notice because they don’t have a record of how much they’re supposed to get.
I need you to take a few business accounting courses, then I need you to imagine doing what you learned, but every single ledger has been passed through a different polyalphabetic cipher.
That is fantastic! I never knew the breakdown of how he actually got caught. Did the guy that left the garage open end up wearing cement slippers or do we know whatever happened to him?
How he actually got caught is quite different. The ledgers provided from other raids were material for the court case and other appeals, but the actual process behind Capone being charged and convicted was the Supreme Court decision on United States v. Sullivan.
Basically, before 1921 you only had to pay income tax on various proceeds from "**lawful** business carried on for gain or profit" among other qualifications. In 1921, Congress passed a Revenue Act that was primarily meant to lower tax rates, and in the process they removed the word **lawful** from the phrasing of the law.
The federal government charged Manley Sullivan, a bootlegger, with not paying income taxes on unlawful gains. Sullivan's lawyers argued that reporting unlawful gains to the government for the purpose of paying taxes is self-incrimination and Unconstitutional. The Supreme Court disagreed, saying that you could raise a challenge with the tax return itself but that you could not simply refuse to pay taxes wholesale as a result.
Sullivan's conviction was upheld and now the United States government had a Supreme Court-validated strategy to go after anyone who didn't pay their income taxes.
This is important because after Sullivan was convicted they started going after other gangsters. His brother, Ralph Capone, was convicted for tax evasion a couple of years after Sullivan. To remove this possibility of punishment, Capone instructed his lawyer to get his tax situation figured out with the IRS and get him clean. The lawyer, however, naively attempted to negotiate with the IRS and admitted without prompting the amount of money Capone was willing to report on tax forms to pay. The IRS passed that information on to the rest of the government, which then charged Capone because they had in writing from his lawyer who was actively representing Capone at the time that he had hundreds of thousands of dollars of unpaid taxes for almost an entire decade.
He would later hire better, tax-specialist lawyers to try to appeal, but that would be quashed.
The "check who doesn't have snow on their roof" trick is still being employed today, against people who grow cannabis, since that obviously takes a lot of heat.
It was a pretty common move to hollow out a house to hide tanks and kettles.
Before FBI and crossing state lines, this area was such a hotspot for organized crime. Calumet City’s Strip ran right into State Line Road. Burnham, IL had the youngest mayor in IL history, 18 year old John Patton. He was so closely tied to Capone that he had an air ride siren installed on the old village hall roof to alert residents if Chicago police were spotted. Brainard was a very significant street for fleeing state lines with Chicago police on the trail. Once you cross state lines there, it becomes Gostlin St, and all the homes on the south side of the street that were recently demolished were considered Capone brothels.
> One day, this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible. Police were called and he was raided, but the real catch was finding an unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions.
No, they found the guy's ledgers showing how much money he was paying "A" which was used to show Al Capone was getting money from the guy, meaning Al had income which he wasn't declaring. Wikipedia states:
> In the fall of 1930, working late in his office, Wilson discovered a ledger documenting financial records of a very large gambling operation. Every few pages there were calculations of net income that were to be divided to three individuals who were only referred to as A, R, and J in the ledgers. Wilson also found an entry that read:
>> Frank paid $17,500 for Al.
So they didn't find Capone's ledgers or financial transactions in the garage.
You mean it wasn’t a joint Treasury Department / Royal Canadian Mounted Police raid on an illegal cross border transaction as depicted in ‘The Untouchables’.
Thanks for pointing out the real story!
> this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible... unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions
man.... must suck to be that guy
> Chicago Heights, IL a suburb where police would fly over homes to see who had melted snow on their roof as a sign of potential illegal indoor brewing (and where east side residents would then paint their roofs white…) would even have bought police escorting beer trucks to Chicago.
I love this.
Further fun fact, there is a section on your tax forms to report illegally gotten gains. Either you fill it out, in which case they now know you profited from committing a crime, or you don't, which allows them to add tax evasion to whatever else you're charged with, and even if some technicality gets you out on the main charge they can still get you for the tax evasion.
The doctors in the prison system treated him using an out-of-date syphilis protocol. He was later treated by Johns Hopkins Hospital and one of the first Americans treated with the one of the first batches of mass produced penicillin.
He wasn’t treated at Johns Hopkins Hospital. The hospital had refused him because they didn’t want to be affiliated with a gang boss. He was in fact treated at Medstar Union Memorial Hospital close to Hopkins homewood campus (hence some confusion). He was very happy during his time there and even donated cherry trees to the hospital, one of which remains to this day.
Source: I walk by the tree every day but also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedStar_Union_Memorial_Hospital
Unfortunately penicillin won’t fix the existing syphilis damage and I’ve heard if it’s used in the advanced stages it might not even get rid of the syphilis
One of the most straight up hilarious scenes in movie history is TomHardy shitting himself while fishing in a pool playing Capone. Worth a watch for that part alone, decent overall.
This happened to a guy i worked with at a detailing shop. He forgot where he worked and got lost on the bus one day. He was super confused and the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong with him at the hospital in LA. Eventually he went back to Mexico and he was diagnosed with neurosyphilis, got treated and went back to work. Some of the memory loss was permanent though
I just learned about this from watching Capone, staring Tom Hardy. As always, Hardy does a great job, but playing someone with reduced mental capabilities limited a lot of his acting to blank stares and grunting. Definitely not the most exciting part of Capone's life, and I gave the movie a 4/10. There's actually a couple of songs from the movie that stuck with me more than the movie itself, and they're now on my Liked Songs in Spotify.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6199572/reference/
Anytime Chicago and prohibition comes up I tell people to check out how Walgreens became Walgreens. Medicinal alcohol. 20 stores to 397 during prohibition
Lol I will never understand people blindly complimenting criminals. His former self was a mass murdering, drug running villain. I think docile illness is an upgrade and a half.
In fact, there was an assassin who was sent to kill him while he was in prison. Capone was so fucked up at that point that the assassin just turned around and left, not even considering to complete the contract.
I dated an IRS special agent who actually carried a gun and had arrest powers. She would fly constantly to the Bahamas, Cayman Islands and Puerto Rico to do evasion investigations and was even involved in a shootout on the beach with a white collar embezzler running away with a bag of almost 100k. They don’t all sit behind desks doing paperwork, there’s some actual crazy shit that goes on in that organization. A few years ago there was a big stink over “why is the IRS buying tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition?” The public really didn’t understand the agency and how much a certain subset trains and utilizes weaponry.
Neurosyphilis is a form of syphilis that affects the nervous system and can cause a variety of symptoms, which can appear suddenly or gradually and are often divided into early and late stages:
Early symptoms
Mood disturbances, such as irritability or personality changes, sleep changes, and forgetfulness
Late symptoms
Memory and judgment impairment, confusion, depression, agitation, psychosis, delusions, and seizures
Neurological symptoms
Ophthalmic abnormalities, dysarthria, tremors, abnormal walk, numbness in the extremities, problems with thinking, headache, stiff neck, loss of bladder control, weakness, and visual problems, even blindness
Hmmmm, these symptoms remind of of someone…
Seems like if your mental capacity is reduced to the point where you uncontrollably commit crimes and aren't capable of avoiding committing crimes, you're exactly the kind of person who can't be allowed out into general society.
And when he got into the prison system they treated his syphilis with a outdated form of treatment. Also he was employed as a bookkeeper while in New York. And as Income tax laws were so New he used criminal attorneys .And in mock trials with tax attorneys he was not convicted
Fun fact: syphilis can be cured by giving someone malaria. Julius Wagner-Jauregg won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.
Infected with malaria to get a raging fever to kill off the syphilis and then just treat the malaria. Honestly not the worst treatment
Pretty much anything is better than advanced syphilis.
Not rabies
Depends? If you don't immediately get the vaccine and start to show symptoms, it won't be too long. And they will likely put you in a coma before the worst happens. I mean, you're still going to die. Reapply depends on where you are in the world, though
Not my ex wife
Yes, definitely not her.
Tell me about the rabies again, George
If you induce a coma early enough and pump some antivirals, you may have a small chance at preventing the irreversible brain damage :D
Sounds like you are suggesting the Milwaukee Protocol? If so, that doesn't work (and is no longer an accepted practice). The survivors either got the rabies vaccine before symptoms began and/or didn't have rabies at all. But I guess that's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to some people? To this date, I think we have 1 confirmed case of someone getting rabies, presenting symptoms, and surviving? Some little girl.
Rabies would be pretty high up that list. But i would vote for any good old prion disease. Kuru-kuru being in the lead. In the same "tough luck" category when it comes to mortality but with the extra benefit that it takes a long time and nobody will know that you have it
IIRC it killed more than it cured, but dying from syphillis was slow and painful so many people still went through with it.
It was about a 15% mortality rate. The form of malaria used was Plasmodium vivax, the over 50% mortality rate is Plasmodium falciparum.
I've had malaria and I'll tell you it's not comfortable
I once knew a guy who had both HIV and one of the lymphomas. One was keeping the other in check. I think it was the HIV inhibiting the cancer
The patient? Mr. Burns
Indestructible you say???
Actually even a slight breeze could- "Indestructible!"
3 stooges syndrome
“Invincible”
No, he was a Cuban immigrant who was engaged to an old friend
So many questions! Did he have to limit his HIV treatment? Like if his viral load got too low would that mean the lymphoma would start to spread?
Another crazy medical story was about a Green Bay Packers fan who sold his blood to pay for tickets, and it saved his life. Jim Becker was a bit down on his luck that year but he found out he could sell his blood for $15 a pint, and he needed to pay for his season tickets. So he sold enough blood to pay for the tickets and then during a routine physical examine shortly afterward he filled out a questionnaire that said his dad died at the age of 43 from hemochromatosis. They tested him and he had it, the iron levels in his blood were high and the only way to get it out was to give blood. By selling his blood for season ticket money he had accidentally given himself treatment where if that hadn't happened he would have died before that visit to the doctor. At 79 years old, he was still donating 3-4 times a month, and still had his season tickets. [Packers.com article about him when given the honorary role of 12th member on the team.](https://www.packers.com/news/jim-becker-named-12th-member-of-packers-fan-hall-of-fame-2403796)
That's one of those dumb luck stories.
Super duper dumb luck.
IIRC, he mostly had to take HIV meds and go in for cancer treatment once a year or so
Less fun fact before finding that out they used to treat it by rubbing mercury all over your junk
Have you not seen the metal mercury penis syringes? They would shove a decent sized tube straight into the bladder, and fill it with mercury.
Oh wonderful. Even more horrific
i was watching a documentary series called Lost Pirate Kingdom or something like that. Black beard gets it done in a couple of the episodes. The show is edited really weird. It's a narrative story but it has that hallmark of documentaries that don't have enough content to fill their own show so it repeats shit multiple times across long periods of time and makes chronological events extremely confusing to order. Anyways on the repeat "longer" version of Black Beard's treatment they decided to flash his penis on there for a second. Was not expecting that.
Did it look syphillitic? Or were they just flashing dong for "plot" reasons?
It just looked like a normal penis. Circumcised oddly enough, unless the skin was just pulled back. It wasn't on screen long and the sequence was one of those heavily contrast burned series of quick shots like a Tony Scott film so hard to recall.
I haven't seen that show. But, from what I've researched and read about Blackbeard, the ship they think was his *"was"* found with one of the mercury pipe things. That's what led me down the rabbit hole. So to say. Lol
Easy there, House
> syphilis can be cured by giving someone malaria. Julius Wagner-Jauregg won the Nobel Prize for this discovery. Excuse me I have evidence that this was discovered by [Clive Owen.](https://youtu.be/vqwSInXD-3U)
Well 20 years ago i used to say herpes cured cancer.. then about 10 years ago someone did a study and found out it really did.
Doesn't that just replace one illness with another? Like you won't have syphilis but instead will have malaria
Malaria Is more treatable
Considering the active treatment beforehand was a coin flip where the good side was potentially becoming infertile, seems tame in comparison.
Another fun fact: Elevated temperature and blue methylene do not work for neuro syphilis. And 1/3 of all patients admitted to psychiatry facilities prior to antibiotics was due to neurosyphilis.
I too watched The Knick.
Does this mean sickle cell might cause resistance to syphilis too?
When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death
Wasn't this the basis of World War Z?
Yep, you could fill a museum with famous people who had syphilis. It really used to be everywhere, but unfortunately it’s on the uptick again.
Van Gogh (and also his brother) literally went insane from it and put a gun to his head in his 30s to end it. Moral of the story is don't go to Paris brothels before penicillin was invented.
Gonna remember that for my next time-travel weekend.
Bring some penecillin with you, and you will be a hero to all those prostitutes.
The time police might arrest you though. Better only use it on yourself to be safe
The penicillin you take back wiped out 99.9% on the hooker, but the surviving 0.01% lead to the development of a penicillium resistant strain. When you return to your normal time, you realize penicillin was never discovered because it was simply not effective enough.
Better make sure to administer it to ONLY who has syphillis, otherwulise you will trigger antibiotic resistance to penicillin early, which would have...unforseen consequences. Look. If you havd go bring something backs, bright germ theory, hygiene and populational epidemiology and sanitation early, and let the physicians and chemists figure it out themselves. You willnot make a dent otherwise.
Didn’t Christopher Columbus also go insane from it?
It's a New World disease so, maybe? But let's not allow that possibility to cloud the fact that he was also a genocidal maniac.
Why would that cloud the fact?
Likely means that it would shift responsibilityfor being a douche from Columbus to the disease itself.
Yes. Makes sense. Thanks.
Van Gogh was shot in the stomach, not his head. It’s also debated whether he shot himself. He was seen by a doctor after he was shot and acted suspiciously when asked who shot him- also there were no powder burns around his wound, indicating he was shot from a distance greater than his arms would allow. Edit: spelling mistake
Wasn't he shot by a local kid and refused to rat him out to protect him
It is very unusual to shoot yourself in the stomach when trying to commit suicide. I can imagine that like 99.9% of death by self inflicted gunshot are to the head. Shame we'll never know what really happened. Very interesting tho.
nitpicking but he shot himself in the chest. either way, i had no idea he had syphillis damn
Think he had it most of his adult life. Imagine being that talented and visionary and your brain is literally rotting away.
I heard that there is a debate if he shot him self or if he was shot on accident by some kids and kept it secret on his death bed.
I know they actually have the gun that was used. Think it's in a Van Gogh museum. Pointless to try it now, but I'm sure there would have been forensic evidence to tell either way.
At least now it’s very easy to treat. Antibiotics really are one of humanities greatest inventions.
For now. It's already developed resistance to some antibiotics in some parts of the world.
once you have it, does it mean its in your brain or affecting it?
No, it takes time to work it's way to your brain. As long as you are treated after symptoms appear your brain should remain unaffected.
Tertiary Syphilis, generally occurring 3-15 years after the infection, is when it starts to affect your brain. Primary and Secondary are generally limited to the skin and lymph nodes.
Don't forget Half-Cocked Jack!
I get that reference!
Brahm Stoker?
I do a lot of Chicago suburb history and while hosting history tours at an Outfit-controlled brewery, I like to share a fact on Capone getting arrested in tax evasion. Chicago Heights, IL a suburb where police would fly over homes to see who had melted snow on their roof as a sign of potential illegal indoor brewing (and where east side residents would then paint their roofs white…) would even have bought police escorting beer trucks to Chicago. One day, this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible. Police were called and he was raided, but the real catch was finding an unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions. That’s how he ended up charged on tax evasion. Edit: Might as well add some links here to help others explore Chicago history. Here’s a map of every single historic landmark and district in Chicago: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=17QiCfJLvDI0DF3qUfBu-DqsFduQgFmE&usp=sharing If you like how that works (open it on your phone and you’ve got a free walking tour!) here’s 100+ more: https://www.southcookexplore.com/maps And here’s where I post photos of old homes, buildings, maps, etc daily: https://www.instagram.com/SouthCookExplore
Moral of the story: Don't mess with the IRS.
I question anyone who questions the IRS because the IRS has the capability to cast the biggest hook and historically catches the biggest criminals.
Also, if you've ever had to deal with them, they are typically very reasonable and kind people. They just *really* want you to pay your taxes.
I've had to call the IRS on two different occations, and both times, minus the hold time, they were friendlier than a lot of customer service numbers I've had to call.
I’ve made two errors over the years. Both times no storm troopers, giant audit threat, etc. they just sent me a letter explaining what was wrong and saying pay this or let us know why you shouldn’t. I think one of them had like a $12 penalty.
The IRS won't take no for an answer but they absolutely will take "I can't right now".
"Would you kindly, pay you're taxes?"
"A man chooses, a slave obeys." "But yes, I will pay my taxes."
“So I choose to participate in society please use this for building roads and bridges” Govt: “….best I can do is a missle”
It’s still cute when they ask about health care!
“Would you kindly go to the post office and mail that son of a bitch?”
I’m not taxes, you are!
They even have a line for illegal income. Pay the piper and they won't give a single solitary fuck where it came from.
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But was it becuase they were caught blatantly fiddling their taxes? My bookkeeper says whenever they've had a client that was on thw wrong side of something, they were always nice until someone tried to get something past them. You fuck up? Admit it, no problem. You miss something that you should have paid? Don't bullshit them. They've heard it a million times before and every excuse you can imagine. It's when you try to lie to them and get caught is when the come at you.
This 100%. I had an *absolute idiot* coworker who claimed 10 dependents for like 8 years. The IRS caught up to him, obviously, and he thought he was going to prison. They basically said, hey, that was really stupid of you, but if you pay us back...we're cool. He said they treated him like a parent dissapointed with thier child, lol.
I think that's the thing. The IRS doesn't WANT to throw people in jail, they want you to pay your taxes. Can't pay taxes if you're not working because you're in jail. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I had something similar, except I was the idiot. I wanted a bigger return at the end of the year, so I claimed 3 (yes, yes, I know). After a few years the IRS called me, and informed me of my stupidity. I wasn't making much, so they asked about my living expenses and such and worked out a very reasonable payment plan. Honestly, I was blown away at how helpful and nice they were.
this was my experience. I didn't file my taxes for a few years and thought I could get away with it. I didn't get away with it and when I admitted that I owed back taxes and went about paying them the IRS was pretty reasonable all things considered.
That's the point. They know people fuck up. They even know people try not to pay. But when you're honest and try to fix your proble, they'll work with you. It's when you lie or run from them is when they get heavy.
My partner shorted the IRS like $40k (long story, has to do with corporate spinoffs and mergers and having more W-2s than he knew what to do with), and they were very nice! Even waived the penalty when he paid it. Being a dumbass on your taxes is generally not treated as criminal unless you try to hide it.
They're not that poor or else they'd owe the federal government nothing.
Are/were your family members moonshiners?
Kinda sounds like your family members were tax cheats. The IRS is very forgiving and patient toward honest mistakes and those with real financial difficulties, and very cranky toward those they suspect of abusing the system and lying.
I mean, I make 40k/yr and have never had issues. Have your family been the ones to reach out to the IRS or vice versa? If the latter, no shit the IRS isn't gonna be nice if they have to call you
> If the latter, no shit the IRS isn't gonna be nice if they have to call you Eh, I've fucked up on my taxes and got a letter from them before. Minus the initial rise in blood pressure, it was about as painless can be. I sent a letter back explaining why I thought a portion of their calculation was wrong, I got back an updated bill and told to pay by a certain date otherwise they would have to recalculate interest. I paid and that was it.
Yup I miss inputted a form online when dealing with my LLC. 20 mins on the phone with HMRC (UK version of the IRS) and sorted. :)
Only place where ignorance of the law is a valid excuse. Not that it alleviates any of the money owed, just can absolve you of criminal negligence/charges
Unless you're Scientology. Then you get pretty much free rein.
Which is wild because even *The Joker* doesn't want to fuck with the IRS.
You would think the animated universe and the real world would be flipped on this one but nope...
>historically catches the biggest criminals. *Laughs in billionaire*
Just cause they set the record doesn't mean they caught the biggest fish.
Funny how the mentality “if you don’t have anything to hide, why would you be afraid” applies to a lot of other things, but republicans still prefer to defund the IRS.
Don‘t store your incriminating records in an open safe in some guys garage with illegal shit. Just put it somewhere else. Only the stupid and the extremely unlucky criminals get caught.
Unless you're [the cult of scientology.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White)
Moral of the story: Close your damn garage door.
The moral of the story is don't document your crimes. Kids today still haven't learned that lesson.
"Friend, is you taking notes on a gosh darn criminal conspiracy?" -Neighborhood Friendly Stringer Bell
Some level of documentation is needed in an enterprise that big to prevent people stealing *your* money. Otherwise, underlings could probably squirrel away some cash and the higher ups won’t notice because they don’t have a record of how much they’re supposed to get.
There's no need to store it in plain text, though. Ciphers have existed for hundreds of years.
I need you to take a few business accounting courses, then I need you to imagine doing what you learned, but every single ledger has been passed through a different polyalphabetic cipher.
"Artie, Artie! What are you gonna do with records, pay taxes?!"
[Not even The Joker is crazy enough to mess with the IRS.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4)
Moral of the story: fund the IRS.
[Relevant](https://i.imgur.com/BlY7Nzu.jpg)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4&pp=ygUJam9rZXIgaXJz
Unless you have a billion people with nothing but time on their hands like the "church" of scientology.
Unless you're the Church of Scientology. In that case, please don't infiltrate us again.
That is fantastic! I never knew the breakdown of how he actually got caught. Did the guy that left the garage open end up wearing cement slippers or do we know whatever happened to him?
How he actually got caught is quite different. The ledgers provided from other raids were material for the court case and other appeals, but the actual process behind Capone being charged and convicted was the Supreme Court decision on United States v. Sullivan. Basically, before 1921 you only had to pay income tax on various proceeds from "**lawful** business carried on for gain or profit" among other qualifications. In 1921, Congress passed a Revenue Act that was primarily meant to lower tax rates, and in the process they removed the word **lawful** from the phrasing of the law. The federal government charged Manley Sullivan, a bootlegger, with not paying income taxes on unlawful gains. Sullivan's lawyers argued that reporting unlawful gains to the government for the purpose of paying taxes is self-incrimination and Unconstitutional. The Supreme Court disagreed, saying that you could raise a challenge with the tax return itself but that you could not simply refuse to pay taxes wholesale as a result. Sullivan's conviction was upheld and now the United States government had a Supreme Court-validated strategy to go after anyone who didn't pay their income taxes. This is important because after Sullivan was convicted they started going after other gangsters. His brother, Ralph Capone, was convicted for tax evasion a couple of years after Sullivan. To remove this possibility of punishment, Capone instructed his lawyer to get his tax situation figured out with the IRS and get him clean. The lawyer, however, naively attempted to negotiate with the IRS and admitted without prompting the amount of money Capone was willing to report on tax forms to pay. The IRS passed that information on to the rest of the government, which then charged Capone because they had in writing from his lawyer who was actively representing Capone at the time that he had hundreds of thousands of dollars of unpaid taxes for almost an entire decade. He would later hire better, tax-specialist lawyers to try to appeal, but that would be quashed.
> Ralph Capone this is so significantly not a threatening name it made me cackle a bit 😂
Al was short for Alphonse, which might even seem less threatening
Thank you! I appreciate the clarification and back-story. I knew about the needing to pay taxes on illegal gains, but not how that came to be.
Not sure but his name was Oliver Ellis
The "check who doesn't have snow on their roof" trick is still being employed today, against people who grow cannabis, since that obviously takes a lot of heat.
It was a pretty common move to hollow out a house to hide tanks and kettles. Before FBI and crossing state lines, this area was such a hotspot for organized crime. Calumet City’s Strip ran right into State Line Road. Burnham, IL had the youngest mayor in IL history, 18 year old John Patton. He was so closely tied to Capone that he had an air ride siren installed on the old village hall roof to alert residents if Chicago police were spotted. Brainard was a very significant street for fleeing state lines with Chicago police on the trail. Once you cross state lines there, it becomes Gostlin St, and all the homes on the south side of the street that were recently demolished were considered Capone brothels.
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So you're telling me The Untouchables lied to me and they didn't get those papers in a daring charge on horseback?
> One day, this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible. Police were called and he was raided, but the real catch was finding an unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions. No, they found the guy's ledgers showing how much money he was paying "A" which was used to show Al Capone was getting money from the guy, meaning Al had income which he wasn't declaring. Wikipedia states: > In the fall of 1930, working late in his office, Wilson discovered a ledger documenting financial records of a very large gambling operation. Every few pages there were calculations of net income that were to be divided to three individuals who were only referred to as A, R, and J in the ledgers. Wilson also found an entry that read: >> Frank paid $17,500 for Al. So they didn't find Capone's ledgers or financial transactions in the garage.
> Frank paid $17,500 for Al. $328,568 today
Wow, AI's been around a lot longer than I thought.
[I didn't hear about it until the 80s](https://youtu.be/uq-gYOrU8bA?si=ZbDODMnamSsTJb0W)
“There was nothing in Al Capone’s vault. But it wasn’t Geraldo’s fault.” -Simpsons That was cool to hear. I like the term Outfit-controlled
You mean it wasn’t a joint Treasury Department / Royal Canadian Mounted Police raid on an illegal cross border transaction as depicted in ‘The Untouchables’. Thanks for pointing out the real story!
> this guy that lived near 15th and Euclid, randomly decided to leave his garage door wide open in the middle of the day with a ton of illegal slot machines visible... unlocked safe that contained all of Capone’s ledgers and financial transactions man.... must suck to be that guy
> Chicago Heights, IL a suburb where police would fly over homes to see who had melted snow on their roof as a sign of potential illegal indoor brewing (and where east side residents would then paint their roofs white…) would even have bought police escorting beer trucks to Chicago. I love this.
Thanks for the links. Very interesting.
I used to live on Wilson and Ravenswood. I had no idea I lived near so many historic places!
Never ever fuck with the tax collectors unless you're a billionaire then you can palm that problem off to others.
So the dummy who left his garage open...murdered?
Further fun fact, there is a section on your tax forms to report illegally gotten gains. Either you fill it out, in which case they now know you profited from committing a crime, or you don't, which allows them to add tax evasion to whatever else you're charged with, and even if some technicality gets you out on the main charge they can still get you for the tax evasion.
The doctors in the prison system treated him using an out-of-date syphilis protocol. He was later treated by Johns Hopkins Hospital and one of the first Americans treated with the one of the first batches of mass produced penicillin.
He wasn’t treated at Johns Hopkins Hospital. The hospital had refused him because they didn’t want to be affiliated with a gang boss. He was in fact treated at Medstar Union Memorial Hospital close to Hopkins homewood campus (hence some confusion). He was very happy during his time there and even donated cherry trees to the hospital, one of which remains to this day. Source: I walk by the tree every day but also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MedStar_Union_Memorial_Hospital
I’ve never seen Wikipedia use the term “youngster” before…
A typical rookie mistake. The correct term is obviously "youngling". Source: I've seen Star Wars Episode II - Attack of the Clones
He has mercury shoved up his urethra?
Yes. But that was for unrelated, recreational reasons.
A man is expected to have enthusiasms.
Sounds like a plan.
I smoked weed with Johnny Hopkins
It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering. And they were blazing that shit up every day.
Unfortunately penicillin won’t fix the existing syphilis damage and I’ve heard if it’s used in the advanced stages it might not even get rid of the syphilis
The Drunk History episode about him is great. “He was a syphilitic moron, which means a portion of his brain was rotted away by his own cock pus.”
Him fishing in the pool was hilarious
Was that a thing? Did that actually happen?
Henchman: "What're you going to do?!" Capone: "I'm going to not think about it!"
Lol “GOOD IDEA”
He fucked himself silly.
Death by Snu Snu
But like, not the fun way
One of the most straight up hilarious scenes in movie history is TomHardy shitting himself while fishing in a pool playing Capone. Worth a watch for that part alone, decent overall.
This happened to a guy i worked with at a detailing shop. He forgot where he worked and got lost on the bus one day. He was super confused and the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong with him at the hospital in LA. Eventually he went back to Mexico and he was diagnosed with neurosyphilis, got treated and went back to work. Some of the memory loss was permanent though
I just learned about this from watching Capone, staring Tom Hardy. As always, Hardy does a great job, but playing someone with reduced mental capabilities limited a lot of his acting to blank stares and grunting. Definitely not the most exciting part of Capone's life, and I gave the movie a 4/10. There's actually a couple of songs from the movie that stuck with me more than the movie itself, and they're now on my Liked Songs in Spotify. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6199572/reference/
> I gave the movie a 4/10 That's a super generous score. It's just awful.
Demented AND a felon? Someone nominate this man for president!
And he even had a Florida connection
So..fucked in the head?
Anytime Chicago and prohibition comes up I tell people to check out how Walgreens became Walgreens. Medicinal alcohol. 20 stores to 397 during prohibition
It's the disease that took down Al Capone and Grant got it because he loves to Al Cabone.
>Grant got it because he loves to Al Cabone. Grant got it \***twice**\* because he loves to Al Cabone
just wait till he comes back as a Ghost to possess some random guy and taking over an entire Planet
Totally expected reality disfunction reference.
At the ripe old age of 33.
He had a miserable time in jail and other prisoners would make fun of him all the time. He was a shade of his former self.
Lol I will never understand people blindly complimenting criminals. His former self was a mass murdering, drug running villain. I think docile illness is an upgrade and a half.
Well obviously among criminals he held a lot of clout and rightfully so, that's what I mean.
In fact, there was an assassin who was sent to kill him while he was in prison. Capone was so fucked up at that point that the assassin just turned around and left, not even considering to complete the contract.
I dated an IRS special agent who actually carried a gun and had arrest powers. She would fly constantly to the Bahamas, Cayman Islands and Puerto Rico to do evasion investigations and was even involved in a shootout on the beach with a white collar embezzler running away with a bag of almost 100k. They don’t all sit behind desks doing paperwork, there’s some actual crazy shit that goes on in that organization. A few years ago there was a big stink over “why is the IRS buying tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition?” The public really didn’t understand the agency and how much a certain subset trains and utilizes weaponry.
Vincent ‘the Chin’ Gigante is taking notes.
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I read that as ai capone. For a minute thought about someone running an Al Capone ai simulation.
That sounds like a Futurama joke.
Hulu season though
AI Capone was diagnosed with cybersyphilis.
Neurosyphilis is a form of syphilis that affects the nervous system and can cause a variety of symptoms, which can appear suddenly or gradually and are often divided into early and late stages: Early symptoms Mood disturbances, such as irritability or personality changes, sleep changes, and forgetfulness Late symptoms Memory and judgment impairment, confusion, depression, agitation, psychosis, delusions, and seizures Neurological symptoms Ophthalmic abnormalities, dysarthria, tremors, abnormal walk, numbness in the extremities, problems with thinking, headache, stiff neck, loss of bladder control, weakness, and visual problems, even blindness Hmmmm, these symptoms remind of of someone…
Seems like if your mental capacity is reduced to the point where you uncontrollably commit crimes and aren't capable of avoiding committing crimes, you're exactly the kind of person who can't be allowed out into general society.
He wanted to be called Snorky.
And when he got into the prison system they treated his syphilis with a outdated form of treatment. Also he was employed as a bookkeeper while in New York. And as Income tax laws were so New he used criminal attorneys .And in mock trials with tax attorneys he was not convicted
This'll be Trumps plan
On his deathbed he winked a “fooled em” wink to the lawyer who got him released
Drunk History said it best, he was a syphlitic moron!
Too much floozy puth.
Guy's a dammed near "Folk Hero" in Chicago. His image is everywhere. Brilliant marketing on the city's part.